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Hé should be charged for incitement to violence.

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According to Karen Friedman Agnifilo last night, Trump threatened several witnesses in the DC case (like Cassidy Hutchinson and the entire Jan 6 Committee) and there is still a standing gag order and he could be brought to a contempt hearing.

Until there is violence, no "incitement."

It galls me that DOJ did not charge him with insurrection. It's also galling that the FBI did not do a thorough investigation.

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

"In his Saturday speech in Dayton, he not only repeated his false claims that the 2020 election was stolen but praised the people serving prison sentences for attacking the Capitol on January 6 — calling them “hostages” and “unbelievable patriots,” commending their spirit, and promising to help them if elected in November." Insurrection!

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18 U.S. Code § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 2, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 87–486, June 19, 1962, 76 Stat. 103; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

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I am paraphrasing a comment on Joyce Vance's substack this morning, "There are three justice systems in the U.S.; one for the rich, one for the poor, and one for Donald Trump."

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We can’t just give in to this heretic Trump

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...& the rest of the conspirators in the planning, organizing, & inciting Jan 6 & election steal attempt.

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Well, we ARE putting the little people behind bars. Just not the Giant Orange Disaster. Or the powerful influencers who stroke his ego and goad him on.

{Damn. Bad words!! Screaming!!!! Total frustration!!!!!!!]

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Love your moniker for Trump -- "Giant Orange Disaster"! Maybe you could get all the states to order their election commissions to alter their ballots to read that way!

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Giant Orange Disaster? GOD? How about the Orange Antichrist?

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They are riding on the coat tails of Trump's justice system.

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Yes, how did they get the three liberals on the supreme court to vote with them?

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Jaime, yeah, those assistants are still free and up to the same movement to overturn our elections and possibly our nation. Where are the prosecutions?

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Oh,,, you. mean the "hostages"?? 🙄

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No, many of them have already been arrested & sentenced. I'm referring to members of Congress, Trump's administration & other elite influencers like Ginni Thomas. The FBI, led by Trump holdover Wray, & DOJ, headed by Federalist Society ally Garland, refuse to go any further. The minds behind the plot evidently get a free pass, with the possible but unlikely exception of Trump.

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Mar 19·edited Mar 19

No, she means like Peter Navarro, who just turned himself in to a federal Florida prison this morning to begin serving his 4-month sentence! (Big deal! And then there's Bannon, who's had his six-month sentence on appeal now forever! Another "big deal"!)

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My comment seems to have gone awry. It's about Navarro and Bannon.

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Yeah, Dog… them. Sigh.

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The court system continues to work in his favor.

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So true, we know the damage caused by Leonard Leo's recommended appointments from the Federalist Society. Leo and his dark money donors are still active funding. Republican candidates in specific swing states.

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Don't forget Moscow Mitch

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We should stop paying taxes for this 'Court'!

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Unfortunately, very true...divided we stand

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The majority voted against the MAGAs in the last four elections

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And we.will again.

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Unfortunately true

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Crud. That’s very true. Damn. And every nasty word I’m not gong to write here — think those …

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Let's hope the one for the MAGGOT includes a firing squad. Tomorrow at dawn would not be too soon!

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Gloria, what Vance means is that Trump represents the middle class, who, he claims, have been betrayed by the rich.

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Our Lord will fix this. We are a Nation Under GOD.

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Yeh, sure. Like your lord fixes everything, like letting Trump become president. How about the billions of unanswered prayers, the death of all the innocents, past and present. This is not a nation under any god.

Why do you believe that your god is the only god? How about the god of the Muslims, and no not the same god, al Lihah, The moon, how about the gods of India, Buddha, the Jain?

This is not a Christian nation wrote Thomas Jefferson and signed by John Adams in the Treaty of Tripoli.

The phrase One Nation under God, didn't appear until Ike signed Legislation in1954, under pressure because of the hyped fear of"godless communism". It is not in our constitution

Worse you are parroting the MAGAts which claim that this is a Christian Nation and the bible is the law of the land or should be to paraphrase Mike Johnson.

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Lee,

I agree with you completely. And FYI-I am by choice a practicing member of a Christian community. There IS No Place for religion of ANY faith, denomination, type or persuasion in government. No ifs, ands or buts about it! Our Founders were Adamant about that. They came from a multitude of backgrounds - included a variety of followers of different faith communities, agnostics and atheists. They knew the dangers of imposing any one religion or belief. Hence their struggle to compromise and conclude, Freedom of choice, was Enshrined in our Constitution.

Nothing concerns me more than anyone who misunderstands their own faith, insisting on attempting to convert others to Jesus. He himself told his own apostles Not to do so! They were told, is someone wasn’t interested, thank the person, and bless them as you move on to the next place. They don’t need to be saved.

Nothing turns people off, being preached at. I’m my opinion, anyone who tries to convert, needs their head examined.

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I thank you for your questions. I am aware that most of us have not been taught the truth or why. Jesus came to teach us. Have you ever wondered why you were sent to Earth? or how many times you have been here? or what is the purpose?

Have you ever read the Book of Genesis? "Let us ...make/create..."

Think about a group choosing to build a University to teach. This Earth is a University. On this Planet we need a type of Space Suit. We call a body. If the suit is damaged and unable to be used, we leave the suit. No pain. We are only visiting this Planet. We are Spirits. We don't die. Yes, the machine, suit, space suit, or what ever you choose to call it even body, can be destroyed, but not who we really are.

Spirits don't die.

Why are we here? Like any other University, we are hear to learn "Unconditional Love for all." No matter what vehicle, body, space suit they are using. We are all spirits on Earth to learn.

What have you learned? Read about the teachings of Jesus.

He speaks the truth. No judging.

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Joyce, please do not hurt our feelings and waste our time with religious nonsense. Relying on invisible playmates is not in the Constitution and it doesn't qualify for adult intelligent discussion.

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Didn’t think she was preaching. We need a higher power

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What if God is the sum of all that is including each one of us? That free choice means what it says. That each of us, with a tiny piece of the creator inside, has the power to choose? I think that’s what the spiritual masters have been saying all along and what the Founders recognized. Being a Nation under GOD means we recognize the divinity within ourselves and each other. It was never intended as an excuse to abdicate responsibility, or as a cudgel to beat those with whom we disagree.

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Peter, it’s a kind way of thinking about it.

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Peter, I think you've captured the essence of what the FF's believed.

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That’s exactly what his supporters believe! They have anointed him, and they are the very “Christian” nationalists who are working to takeover our government. They red state governors, they are representatives and Speaker of the House, and they are Supreme Court Justices who are bought and paid for.

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Joyce Marie, have you heard about the man whose house was flooding? He prayed to the Lord to save him. A neighbor came to the door and offered to take him out with them. He said "The Lord will provide." As the water rose he made his way up to the roof. A boat full of people came by; they said "Get in! There's room." He said "The Lord will provide." A rescue helicopter flew overhead, and a rope ladder was lowered. He waved it away calling out "The Lord will provide." He drowned.

When he got to the Pearly Gates, he said to St. Peter, "I put my faith in the Lord. Why did he let me down?" St. Peter said "We sent your neighbor, a boat, and a helicopter. What were you expecting?"

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Mar 19·edited Mar 19

This is offensive.

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I hope you mean the suggestion that “God” will fix this is offensive, because what Lee said about the world holding many different “Gods” in awe is totally accurate. And we are NOT a theocracy, or even a Christian nation. Specifically stated “NOT.”

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tfg's supporters think he was divinely sent to fix this.

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Does not seem remotely likely that your lord will do anything at all. Imagination sure can cause reality to get mucked up.

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Mar 19·edited Mar 19

Penfist ; Freedom of and from religion! I believe that the faithful should have a right to their faith, as long as no law is made concerning religion ; like the atrocity that struck down Roe, for example. No forcing belief systems on others. I might not be alive today without the faith I had to get me through adversity. I'm not a member of any religious entity or church either.

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Interesting.....the MAGAs are also calling on God to fix things. Wonder who he'll listen to?

That's the problem with religious zealots---they all think their deity is on their side.

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Nope.. Better to those who help themselves. God doesn't do politics.

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Judith ; and you are an expert at what an entity you do not believe in, and what they do or don't do? "Those who help themselves' might be our next oppressors.

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Daniel Soloman, thanks! I didn't know about all those statutes. It really screams: Where are all the brave people who should be enforcing these statutes?

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It's not Trump's word that cause fear to grow in the minds of those who love this country. The problem falls on those stupid enough to listen to a man without a soul. Taking direction from a man that insults our Constitution and this Country is almost infantile in nature. Where have all the thinkers gone?

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Donald, I don’t recall whether it was Reich or someone else who distinguished between “rational intelligence” appealing to reason and “emotional intelligence” appealing to pathos. Indeed, while Trump entirely lacks the former, he feasts on the latter.

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Barbara--I have an idea, Haiti is in desperate need of leadership. If Trump wants to exhibit his leadership abilities, maybe he should take a trip South to see if he has what it takes. The people of that island Nation could use some help. What a refreshing thing it would be to witness the skills Trump possesses as he brings peace and stability to the region. Have at it Donnie Boy, show the world what you're made of.

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Too much of emotional intelligence (and intelligence may not be quite the proper word) currently is appealing to chaos and hatred. It's all id and no superego.

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I recall that. It was either Reich or Hartmann..

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He feasts on credulousness and fear. Ack.

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Is that a joke? Coming from the party of Trump is Hitler, fear monger and lies. Can you speak without projecting?

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Donald, con artists like Trump know just how to play disgruntled, resentful, angry scared people. They know how to get them to do all sorts of things they might not do were things different and were they not in the orbit of Trump's mouth. He caught a lot of them through his stupid TV show "The Apprentice" which was a platform for him to act tough and mean. There is a significant segment of humanity that thrives on being angry and mean. His handlers knew just how to use their

Donnie and they are still at work. Trump has nothing to offer anyone but negativity: no ideas, no intelligent thought, no compassion, no ability to tell the truth, no empathy, no understanding of this nation beyond how he can use people. In short Trump should be useless, but pretending he was rich and a "good businessman" got him a lot of power he didn't deserve. I would love to see Trump bankrupted, but I doubt his cult will allow that to happen despite Trump's claims that he doesn't take money from donors or anyone.

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Ruth--Have you seen his bobble head? He is constantly collecting funds to fuel his legal needs. The man is like a huge blood sucker although at present he is only interested in their money.

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Daniel. Hodgins, yes, it's a hot mess.

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The “thinkers” have been brainwashed by Fox “news”.

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thomas--You just hit on the root of the issue, and I agree with you hole heartly, it's Fox news. Without their continued spewing of the lies Trump regurgitates on a daily basis the MAGA squad would forget what the idiot said the night before.

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trump has given US choices here? Thinking is not what could save US ; 'the law' or 'justice' was just dropping the ball at the Supreme Court!

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Laurie--The only choice Trump has offered us, either vote for Biden or don't vote for Trump.

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The thinkers voices are being drowned out by the machines billionaires created to build a society primed to continue handing them power while screaming about freedom and god-given rights to be dumber than a bag of rocks.

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Penfist--Careful, I had a pet one of those in my youth. We had some titillating conversations, very one sided naturally. Society has painted our population into a corner as it were. Money and power are a driving forces that have fed our culture since it's conception. We've reached a point where an adjustment is in order, and necessary. The question that confronts us is, how do we fix it?

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Yes - why aren’t we the people being protected ?

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Susan, write or call your representatives and Garland. They all need to know that we feel unsafe. This has gone on too long and must be stopped.

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Yes, write the DOJ to arrest political opponents you don't like.... we have a word for that, COMMUNIST! You are basically a Nazi. Next are you going to cry about Democracy? LOL

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Yes, M Tree ; What happened in the Supreme Court to get the three liberal justices to agree with the decision to end the 14th amendment section 3 and make a majority decision of nine? did they hold guns to their heads? threaten their families? Is this some sacred dirty secret? Drugs? WTF?

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Mar 19·edited Mar 19

Laurie Blair, the first part of the ruling that the liberals agreed with was, if I remember correctly, because they didn't think a patchwork of state actions was a good idea. I think it can be argued as right or wrong but I trust the liberal Justices to have done what they thought was best at the time. The second part of the ruling by 5 of the conservatives was egregious, clearly out of line with The Constitution, and wholly a corruption of their oaths. It said that for anyone (even all the Insurrectionists) to be kept off a ballot, Congress must make a Statute to make it so. The liberals rightly dissented because the 5 clearly went way past the necessary parameters of the decision in question.

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M Tree ; to say nothing of the fact that tRump has captured the Congress with his sycophant 'speaker'' who is doing his bidding.

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Praying is the key. Evil like this needs prayer. Father, deliver us from evil in the Republican Party. In Jesus name. Amen.

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Democrats hate GOD and Christ. The evil isn't the "republican's party" it is people like you. Preying to GOD to punish people you don't like for political reasons... good luck with that lady. Preying out of hatred doesn't win you point with GOD.

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It's PRAYING, not PREYING. It appears that you are evil, and your comments are proof of that, "Isaac."

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Dear God, don’t give us anymore bums like Drumpf. (Why did you allow him, anyway?)

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Daniel, If past is prologue, whom do you expect will execute any of these Statutes? Given the degree to which Trump already has absorbed not only the RNC and Congress but also largely the judiciary, in my view, what’s left is a face-off with a formidable opponent who demands Trump answer for his outright defiance of the Presidential Oath of Office.

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Still on track to be prosecuted.

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Daniel, in my view, neither the Georgia nor the Mar-a-Lago trials has a shot at beginning before the election. Pending on the degree to which the Supremes slow-walk deciding Trump’s claim of absolute immunity, the J6 trial that was scheduled to begin on March 5th conceivably won’t go to trial before the election. Possibly even the trial involving violations of federal election regulations, replete with production screw-ups causing delay, could be pushed back until after the election.

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Only takes one.

I'm cynical of DOJ, Cannon, who I think could pick a jury and then dismiss her case, making Trump immune from double jeopardy.

But IMHO he won't be able to control himself in the NY Bragg prosecution and he could have a bail hearing in DC, even when SCOTUS hasn't ruled in immunity.

We'll know a lot more next Monday. His company may be a house of cards.... Probably already emotionally unfit to stand trial.

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We need new charges to be filed immediately.

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I agree

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Barbara Jo, we need to demand that our representatives act, including Garland. I don't think we've made enough noise so far. We need to raise holy hell.

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Paula, We spent over a year issuing demands, particularly to Garland, who clearly was intent on pursuing only the J6 foot soldiers until the Congressional Select Committee had completed its work.

As for Trump’s campaign rhetoric, my understanding is that only words that project a clear and present danger are unprotected. That situation does not apply here, at least not yet.

Hence my reason for pressing for formidable challenges to Trump’s defiance of the President’s Oath of Office.

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Barbara Jo,

Here is the legal definition of terrorism:

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover “”domestic,”” as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act “dangerous to human life” that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping.

What do you think? Sounds like he's committing terrorism to me.

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Daniel! This is brilliant! You didn't even say a word, but you blasted right through the veil of trump's legitimacy! No wonder your first name is Daniel, and your last name is Soloman. I don't just appreciate you. I thank God for you! P.S. Can I have permission to make a copy of this? There are a few people who need to see it.

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Daniel:

Good morning!

Look at District of Columbia Code Section 22-1322, Riot and Incitement to Riot.

If you have correspondents who reside in the District of Columbia, see if you can persuade them to contact the Attorney General for the District and demand to know why he has not begun an independent, local prosecution of Donal J Trump under that section.

How long do you suppose it would take to assemble a grand jury and obtain an indictment? Do you think that a trial might be able to get to verdict before November?

Vince S

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I'm retired. I have no (0) influence in DC. That said on onset, I was asking them to do something.

The former acting US attorney for DC, Michael Sherwin (a Trumper), was married to my cousin. He was a witness, went on 60 minutes and I thought that as soon as the new team was in place, he and his people would have visited grand juries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVLoz2pcKFA

Several civil suits have been filed.

I would have thought that DOJ would have charged the "low hanging fruit" immediately. Same for DC.

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Daniel:

I am a resident of Michigan. I have even less influence in D C than you.

Nonetheless, I have seen your Substack work and admire it. Other people see it and respond to it.

Hence, you do have influence.

Please look at Section 22-1322 of the D C Code and consider whether you might not want to use the influence you have through Substack and otherwise (your cousin, maybe?) to let the District Attorney General know that his duty to enforce the laws of the District ought to include enforcing that section on riot and incitement to riot.

Thank you.

Vince S

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Thanks. All flattery is appreciated by I was all over this in the beginning and so was the DC Atty General. https://oag.dc.gov/release/ag-racine-files-lawsuit-hold-january-6

I worked in DC 20+ years, and I published my stuff from the moment I was no longer super hatched.... and all I get are crickets.

DOL took the lead, and unfortunately still does. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/06/19/fbi-resisted-opening-probe-into-trumps-role-jan-6-more-than-year/

You have 2 senators who should be on top of it.

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If this were the 1700s, our racist founders would have HANGED Bunkerboy on January SEVENTH!

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I agree that Trump might be charged under these statutes, but as we can see with his current cases, the DOJ isn't the only relevant actor here. Trump uses his trademark delaying tactics, and judges themselves throw wrenches into the cases. I'm sure you saw Cannon's order suggesting that she might instruct a jury that Trump can unilaterally decide what classified government documents are his personal property.

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She should be suspended for her flagrant bias & abuse of her position. Why hasn't Jack filed for her removal?

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Jaime, she hasn't been fired for the same reason Garland moved the trial to Florida, when the crime actually occurred in DC when the boxes were moved, and then Garland appointed her trial judge.

We are loosing our liberty and our country because of Merrick Garland who has been playing for the other team. being a a former member of the Federalist Society,or at least it's moderator, which makes him a member.

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Then we need to pressure Biden to replace him.

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Cannon needs to be slapped with mistrial for trying to influence the jury selection instructions

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That judge is trying to sabotage this case to help the little orange man. She should recuse herself because of her ties with that man.

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Presiding over a case that involves the person to whom you owe your job is a conflict of interest.

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Agreed!

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Trump should have been locked up long before this .

The delay game of his was suggested by the delay game of Merrick Garland. He should be given no more rope, unless it s used to tie him up and throw him in a cell.

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That’s all clear and unequivocal, and accurately describes may of the things Trump done on numerous occasions.

If I let myself think about it for even a minute, my blood pressure reaches danger levels. Why is he still out there doing it!!???

AAAAAAAHHHHH!

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Agree! This is insanity.

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Please share this with the Justice Department. Sounds like treason to me.

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It's definitely terrorism.

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Thank you, very much, for giving us this statute, Daniel. I believe Jack Smith did cite this statute in his filings,

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Ditto! Send to SUPREME COURT!

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Seems like it is just rhetoric because we don't act on it.

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Daniel, I knew those laws existed, but I keep wondering if anyone connected with Trump and his cult have been prosecuted under those laws. If they were used, I am guessing it would involve a lot of people like the Steves, Roger Stone, and a lot of folks who have been babying and protecting Trump and assisting with his intent to overthrow our government. Trump has said he will be a dictator in his first day in office if elected. That should be considered a kind of insurrection. I wish AG Garland had stood up for this nation more effectively and that our Supreme Court would have used their enthusiasm for "states' rights" they used in the Dobbs case, in the Colorado insurrection case.

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About 800 have either been convicted or pleaded guilty to insurrection,

DOJ never charged the henchmen.

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Can’t like - D — MUST recognize as true, true, true.

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Why isn’t there action against Trump NOW ? he is threatening our democracy daily

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Don't want to overreact. Makes him a martyr. IMHO any observer can see he's nuts. Humiliated. This should be headlines/ "Trump is nuts!"

I had threats, E.G. a stalker, picked up by the Federal police when he brought a gun to the federal building. I had ruled that he was nutsy koo koo and that's probably the reason for the animus. I decided not to prosecute, but he was on state parole and the parole was revoked. I had a disgruntled whistleblower who tried to lien up my property, actually filed a case, but it was not served and it was in the wrong jurisdiction. I did not prosecute him. Dismissed the case on the merits.

Got to look at state law. Many states have terroristic threat statutes. Has to target individuals. Threats must be imminent and immediate. If there is a tie (need proximate cause) from Trump to individuals who are making threats, may be a state offense.

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I thought creating an atmosphere of fear = terrorism. Certainly that's the case with overseas terrorists and their threats. Why not here?

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I find it interesting that he has called on the DOJ to arrest Cassidy Hutchinson and Liz Cheney. He's like a toddler that gets in trouble and wants others to get in trouble, too! His words show that he is trying to incite violence claiming "it's for our country". That's ludicrous!!

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What's ludicrously is that fat ass keeps doing anything he wants to do and getting away. Fear not the grim reaper.

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He is a fat ass. Thank you for mentioning that.

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"Vengeance is mine!" "I'm your retribution!"

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He was telling a partial truth when he said they are "Unbelievable patriots". They can't be believed at all as any kind (or unkind) of 'patriots'!

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These are terrible times of corruption, coercion, and of violence. When the dust finally settles, - if indeed it does settle - we have to scrutinize how we got here. And the place to start is the Constitution, which, for all its majesty, is a deeply flawed document. Born in times of widespread slavery, it froze into place an evolving system of government in London (King, House of Lords, Parliament), gave far too much power to the King-President and allowed for the possibility of racist minorities taking over government.

The UK Disneyfied the King and House of the Lords, allowing for full parliamentary democracy. We are stuck with a system where the state of Dakota, with 4% of the population of California, has twice as many Lords.

I suggest we go over to a system of 50 States, bound in an economic union similar to the EU. It would of course have to have a military overseen by an elected President, but this President would have no powers other than being Commander-in-Chief, and would be elected by a plurality of Americans.

It's what the South has always wanted. Hey, they finally get to win the Civil War. I , for one, would be happy not to have to pay for their food stamps.

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Problem is that a large portion of our justice system doesn't even follow the Constitution we have

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Hey, and no more Supreme Court. Who do these guys think they are anyway?

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Haha. Supposedly, a weakness of the E.U. as compared with the U.S., is that they can't take from a wealthy country to help a poorer one as we do between the states in the U.S.

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I don’t want to live in a country whose highest official is a military leader. That is pretty much the opposite of the EU.

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But you do if you live in the U.S. The President is the Commander in Chief. the ignorant s in the media will and have called Trump their CiC, but he is only CiC of the Armed Forces.

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The President would not be the highest official/

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Firstly, I think you have to accept that Trump supporters include many in the police forces, military, National Guard, FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, etc, etc..... That would doubtless include many officers and even all the way up to Generals, and even those in offices that administer and control their orders.

All of which begs the question - how many would respond to orders to stop Trump and his MAGA crazies, how many would refuse, and how many might even switch sides to support him?

I seem to recall that a number of the perpetrators in storming Capitol Hill were active or ex-services. Hard to know how deep the rot has gone.

Secondly, I don't think Trump will wait until the election results are called, especially if he is losing or there is a close-run vote count. I think he will be so desperate to win that he will declare fraud throughout the lead up and the ballot, and then state that the fraud is so great that the election is already decided against him. He'll then push the button on his MAGA supporters to take power.

Lastly, I think people need to consider those supporting him, openly or (mostly) in secret. There are very wealthy backers who can pay almost any sum to get him elected. There are many in the armed forces that may well take an active roll. There are many rich and powerful corporations, such as fossil fuels, that would hugely benefit from a Trump takeover and the scrapping of all the environmental laws. There are social media moguls and news channel owners known for their far-Right views and with enormous powers of influence and manipulation. There are foreign governments and dictatorial leaders that would love to see Trump bring down the American government, and I don't just mean Putin.

I personally think Biden can win the election. But I don't think there is a chance in hell that Trump will accept the result!

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I am a retired officer, and I am here to tell you that the military follows orders

Trump will fire the military leadership that won't accept him as divine ruler,and place his own choices in position, if only as in an acting position, just as he did with the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of the Army, the week before Jan 6th.

They were supposed to help him overturn the election, and almost did Gen Charles Flynn, brother of Gen Michael Flynn, sat at the desk of the Secretary of Defense and refused to answer the phones ringing off the hook, with Pelosie, Schumer on the other line.

The only reason the National Guard showed up is because Mike Pence wet his pants when he heard he crowd screaming Hang Mike Pence.

Pence knew that the Secretary of Defense wasn't answering the phones he also knew that the Secretary of the Army lacked the authority to let loose the National Guard

But the Secretary of the Army, didn't know that, so when Pence called, the Acting Secretary of the Army released the National Guard, and trust me there were a lot of Trump humpers in the Guard. The military follows orders.

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So what do you recommend? What should we do?

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Remember too: The January 6th Insurrection occured DURING WARTIME! Bunkerboy was STILL ramping-up violence in Iraq! So what? His violent insurrection was TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES! WHY has no American, besides me, brought that up?!?

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So far no evidence that he sold out to the enemy. We are not at war with Russia, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, etc,

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Is it a coverup?

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Trump is not for the USA.

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Daniel, this is so damaging to Democrats who see nothing but a lack of justice for an existential threat to us and our government. I will never forget or forgive anyone associated with the fascist-republiCon party. As Liz Cheney stated, they must start a different party. The longer justice is delayed for these obvious vile and numerous crimes, the more people walk away from voting, caring, protesting. It is way past due to do what is correct for public safety!!!

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And yet he continues with his threats while out on bail for doing the exact same thing on 1/6. The law that Daniel posted is spelled out very clearly but because he's a former president awaiting trial, he's free to go about his campaigning with all of its violent rhetoric without any consequences. Not sure if this would be allowed anywhere else in the free world but it's time for us to take his threats seriously since not a damn thing is being done to stop him.

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Thx for the citations, Daniel. As discussed in other posts on this site, Garland’s performance has been almost totally galling. We needed a Rottweiler & got a gerbil.

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He seems immune to any real prosecution that sticks. There is always some shady actors that bail him out Forces of Evil. Maybe he’s the Great Beast all these fundies keep ranting about.

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Daniel Solomon, PLEASE SEND YOUR INFORMATION TO THE SUPREME COURT! N-O-W!!!

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The FBI found their was no "insurrection" so did the DOJ. You are an idiot.

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Plead guilty.

I see you are a "Christian." Turn your other cheek. Suck it up.

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Trump seems like a very poorly aging guy, emotionally frozen at preteen level who images he’s cute and clever. Here’s an analogy for how his mind appears to work. What’s so dangerous, over & over is press and far too much of the public does not comprehend this warped thought process: what follows is a fictitious example for purpose of helping comprehending murky thought process.

Glorying in all the attention he gets by feeling vicariously powerful by catcalling, goading, taunting, ranting with a perpetual smirk. Imagine an ultimate trick-the equivalent of yelling Fire in a crowded Theater. Unleashing Hell on earth as chaos of fear & panic unleashed. Destruction as people react to escape, destroying each other and what’s in their way, desperate to escape.

In his warped mind, he enjoys his “innocence” rationalizing, he didn’t tell anyone to run and nobody bothered to ask him if there really was a fire. He was only joking. They should have asked. He’d have told ‘em, he was just was curious, if people really did that, meaning run, panicked trample others, kill them to escape, destroy things to get out. He was so smart, sure he wouldn’t. See, he didn’t. Just proved it! That “proved” he’s right, he’s a Genius! Folks it’s All about him.

Like an insecure pre-teen, believing doesn’t last. He’ll need an inner fix again soon. Not access to Nuclear codes, or leadership of a company of a country.

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If he had been successful...what would they call it?

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Exactly.

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100%

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Yes.

He needs to be interrogated by the FBI immediately. If any other person in this country said the sh*t this wanna be dictator said, they would have the FBI at their door in hours.

There are 3 tiers of Justice in this country: The wealthy, poor & a special one for Donald J. Trump. He should never again be allowed to be in office!

I need this anti-Trump shirt so bad: t.co/mtZXE00EFj

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Trump has threatened violence before, it's how he operates. Fear and chaos fuel the engine that drives Trump's aging wagon. Today the situation is becoming more and more desperate as time goes on. The truth is working its way to the surface of Donnie Boy's pathetic existence, and he is at an impasse. Tell the truth and lose all your support or lie and continue the "Status Quo." Oh--What to do!

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Lawrence O'Donnell defused Trump's "blood bath" threat on his show tonight by reminding us of his other predictions that didn't pan out such as "Mexico will pay to build the border wall".

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Gloria--Has Trump ever told the truth?

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Yeh "stand back and stand by" and it will be wild. Jan 6th

He lies about everything but what he is going to do. He did try to get Mexico to pay for the wall, but they demurred, however they did fall in line with other of his plans.

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Trump is using fear about bloodbaths the way Putin uses the fear of nuclear war. Is the US to become another Rwanda where the Hutus and Tutsi's killed one another. Maybe but I don't see it.

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It is a horrible thought, but as Maya D'Angelou said, When a person tells you who they are, or what they intend to do, believe them.

He told us what would happen in Jan 6th if he wasn't elected, and nobody believed him. Apparently very few have learned the lesson.

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But Gloria, I watch Lawrence and he tried to hard to be "moderate" . However he is ingoring January 6th, Getting Mexico to pay for a wall,is quite different from motivating his cult to violence.

Which he did quite well on Jan 6th.

Lawrence sees what he wants to see, as the alternative is terrifying.

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Donald, I got to thinking about Tammany Hall from way back. That was the Democrats; however, Franklin D. Roosevelt brought that to an end. Perhaps, President Biden will bring an end to trump and he will eventually recede back into the dust bin from which he came.

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Peggy-- You give the orange guy way too much credit, my dust bin is more in the line of a dysfunctional water closet. "Sorry Laurie" I couldn't help myself.

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Oh yes, we are certainly in "desperate" times. In referring to a "blood bath", Trump was not threatening violence -- he was using a metaphor. It amuses me that so many on the Left, including you, are having their heads explode -- the sky is falling, the sky is falling! Thanks for the laugh, Don.

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Paul--I can tell you've swallowed the same crap Trump has been feeding the idiots that have chosen to follow him. You must like the taste because you keep going back for seconds.

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Don - please just stick to the issues and stop the personal attacks. Thanks so much. Bj

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He is not some dupe that swallowed Trump's feces, he is doing his job of defending Trump and sowing discord.

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You better listen to the speech again - Trump said bloodbath, but then hesitated to say auto industry / and then went on to say for the whole country / auto industry was not threatening enough - he wanted to give image of whole country fighting - like TrumpTards call to action.( Jan 6 style)

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Swedish wisdom!

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Imbeciles are easily amused Paul. Saying that if he isn't elected there will be a blood bath, inserted in a rant about tariff's on auto's, is a non sequitur, and totally irrational. How will not putting 100% tariff's on autos cause a bloodbath. The notion is as ridiculous are your attempt to defend him.

A blood bath is what he wants and what he will encourage and motivate if he doesn't get elected. It is in his mind, just like being a dictator. And there is no such thing as dictator on day 1 and then backing off.

Only an imbecile believes that, and you are no imbecile, so you must be a Trumpian troll.

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Trump is just a citizen - George Washington was just a citizen after he left office - there’s nowhere in the constitution that allows a citizen to make these threats against the country

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He should be imprisoned while awaiting trial as a national security risk, as anyone else not named Trump (or Bannon) who had done 1/10 of the threats & incitement he has done.

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Is that what you Democrats want to do -- imprison your political opponents?! Sad.

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We don’t care what party it is - anyone inciting violence… red , blue, purple, green - ORANGE CHEETOS color- arrested

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We just want justice fairly applied to Trump & his cohorts, who have escaped justice their whole careers.

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Please go back to Russia and put your BS on the line for Putin.

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When the political appointment is a traitor.. Yes. A traitor, a liar, a thief, a grifter, a rapist, a pervert. definitely yes

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No one has been a derelict and dangerous as Trump. America has some very spoiled and ignorant people, and they are voting for our destruction. A mental institution would suffice for the imprisonment - he could get out after he proves he's not a danger to himself or others.

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We should imprison traitors, deadly seditionists and rapists. If you don’t think so, you’ve likely done one of the mentioned crimes. Justifiable and constitutional right to protest is far different than the existential threats your types love.

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Remind me please, 🙏, who does the charging ?

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And why have they not done the charging?

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Many people lay the charge. The various DAs decide if the accumulation of violent predictions is sufficient to amount to actual encouragement to commit violence, particularly by someone who has significant influence over his supporters.

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It seems that we need to look no further than his previous actions and words on 1/6/2021 for evidence of his undue influence on those moronic cultists.

I do hope that by the time of the election he will be looking at a conviction and a stiff prison sentence instead of inciting anything else.

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Taken an analogy: during bargaining for a collective bargaining agreement a union leader says, "if the company doesn't concede to our demands, the workers will be so angry, there'll be destruction of company property". Quite likely, that union leader would be charged for incitement to violence. Are Trump's statements any different? I don't think so.

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Good analogy, Christopher!!

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Except Trump didn’t say anything close to inciting violence. Hid full quote starts at the 39 second mark. When listening to the full quote, it’s clear that he was talking about the effect of his tariffs on imported cars; not physical violence.

https://rumble.com/v4k17t6-bloodbath-bias-how-hypocrite-media-twists-trumps-words-against-him.html

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Trump never encouraged violence on January 6, and the unrest at the Capitol was far milder than many of the 574 riots of 2020 that killed dozens, injured thousands, and caused billions of dollars in damages, largely to black owned property.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

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And where are the "many people" who "lay the charge"?

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Amy:

Here is one answer.

The Attorney General of the District of Columbia has a duty to enforce the laws of the District. One of those laws is Section 2-1322 of the D C Code.

That section provides a penalty of up to ten years imprisonment for incitement to riot resulting in personal injury or damage to property.

Can you get your friends and relatives who live in the District to call on the Attorney General to demand -- politely -- that he begin proceedings against Donald J Trump under that section?

The telephone number for the AG's office is (202) 727 3500.

Vince S

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Thanks 🙏 !!

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Alright!!! Good idea!!!!

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Ms Beall:

I appreciate your enthusiasm. Thank you.

The Attorney General for the District is Brian Schwelb.

If you have some friends and relatives living in the District of Columbia, can you prevail upon them to go to Mr Schwelb's office and ask a few questions?

If I were in the District, I would simply demand -- respectfully, of course -- that Mr Schwelb act to enforce the law.

Looks to me as if a local prosecution under the local law might move along quickly from indictment to verdict.

Vince S

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The correct citation is Section 22-1322 of the District of Columbia Code.

Sorry for the error!

Vince S

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Christopher:

You are correct.

The "Riot and Incitement to Riot" section of the District of Columbia Code should have been invoked immediately after 6 January 2021.

Don't overlook the possibility that the Attorney General of the District might be persuaded to begin a prosecution locally. I see no reason why he could not get an indictment quickly and maybe even get a verdict before November.

I refer to Section 22-1322 of the D C Code.

Attorney General Brian Schwalb's office phone number is (202) 727 3500.

How many people do you know who live in the District of Columbia?

Vince S

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Nothing that President Trump said on January 6 comes even close to inciting violence.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

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That seemed to flop at the supreme Court, even though Colorado court found that to be true. Tfg incited an insurrection! the coup continues!

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It’s more than incitement to violence. It is a seditionist act. Violence to overthrow!

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This is a terroristic threat of the worst kind. He insinuates murdering those in opposition to him….that’s us. This should have had him hauled off to the isolation cell in prison, but no!

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And still trying to over throw our government for his own doctoral rule. Same ole lies over and over.

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Why isn't he being held accountable?

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missing from the conversation is the thirst that a large swath of the american population has for violence and bloodshed ... there is -- on average -- more than one mass shooting per day in the usa ... i also think that seeing the devastation from wars all across the world have desensitized us to the atrocities of war and of violence as a whole ...

we often hear elected officials say : "this is not who we are" (as a nation), when the truth that we fail to realize is : actually, this very much IS who we are as a nation ... the outside world sees this clearly ... it is up to us to change this sad reality ...

the threats of violence, particularly from the dictator, are both very real and blatantly obvious ... what we do not always see, or point out, is the large amount of americans who actually want to carry out violence to completely destruct our american democracy ... we all saw that on full display on 6 january 2021 ... how he was not immediately arrested that day and was held accountable for what he did and was responsible for on that day and in the immediate aftermath of it is reprehensibly preposterous ...

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This is the bare truth, and I thank VR for saying so clearly. In a democracy, who we are as a nation very much depends on the core beliefs of the people, more specifically the core beliefs that underlay political power. I don't think that Trump has any value system other than a bully's assumed right to dominate by intimidation, and harm. But he has convinced about half the electorate that his way is the right path.

Unfortunately "Let's Be Bullies" seems to be a more appealing bumper sticker than "Let's Be Good Samaritans".

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Most of the so-called "mass shootings" are peoples of color shooting other peoples of color -- mainly drug-related, not political unless you think drug territories are political.

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the actual point is that we are a society fueled by and desensitized to violence ... the point is that we live with violence within our society on a daily basis that we have become so immune to it as well as to the obvious threats of it ... the sickening amounts of mass shootings in this country and 6 january 2021 are perfect examples of how we carry on as if it is nothing, day in/day out, while we are killing ourselves and beating ourselves senselessly and we all just accept this as reality ... god bless the usa

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Bull shit. peddle your fasicst bullshit somewhere else. The people who read and post here are to savvy, and well read to fall for your line of crap. And we aren't falling for your farce as a reasonable poster. your agenda is 100% MAGA without the QANON language.

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You omitted horrific white-on-white crimes like the mass shooting in Las Vegas in 2017. Quit scapegoating blacks for the problems in this country. The white media will fallaciously narrate that Johnny suffered from mental illness and that Dontee was a thug (selected photos to make the case).

"On the night of October 1, 2017, a gunman opened fire on a crowd of concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada, leaving 58 people dead and 851 injured. Between 10:05 and 10:15 p.m. PDT, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock of Mesquite, Nevada, fired more than 1,100 rounds from his suite on the 32nd floor of the nearby Mandalay Bay hotel. About an hour after he fired his last shot into the crowd, he was found dead in his room from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. His motive remains unknown."

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Nope.

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I keep trying to write you a response but two of them have just . . . poof! . . . disappeared into thin air, seemingly. Well, I agreed mostly with the second part of what you wrote. A man named Shermy agreed with you as well. I was trying to respond to both of you.

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You wrote another long paragraph after this, with a couple of obnoxious responders to what you wrote in between. A person named Shermy replied, agreeing with you. I then wrote quite a long response to you and Shermy, agreeing with and thanking both of you. BUT, just as I was about to finish it up, it disappeared! I searched high and low for it, to try and retrieve it, but alas, it was gone ! DRAT! It was a good one, too. Oh well . . . I was just defending you and wanted you to know.

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thank you so much !!!

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You are most welcome. (I see my second response did not disappear, after all. Good!)

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