I keep remembering when Trump debated Hillary and the way he walked around and circled her like a buzzard! He is awful and he is a misogynist. Is that the right word?
After 9 years, Dump being front & center, being labelled by a judge who knows him, seen the facts and calls Dump a "rapist," not to mention all those infamous tapes referring to women as objects to be abused--you remember the "P" tape? That's not even a question.
Oh my was that why she kept making that squawking noise? Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard! But I do like the visual image of him circling her like a buzzard the smell of rotten meat and all!
You are a sick individual. Combover Caligula lurked behind her like some stalker. He should be aware if he did that to VP Harris, she’d turn around and blast him. He’s a bully who has found someone who doesn’t care a rap about his nonsense. He’ll be whining and throwing ketchup tonight.
I am sorry friend I get caught up in the storm sometimes no excuse but I usually do try to keep it funny. I like to read what the other side thinks and I am not an Always Trumper so tried to watch the debate with an objective idea actually no shots lol and like to read all opinions. I think that Kamala did a great job at the debate myself. Again forgive me probably best for me to just stay out of politics
Hello Holly - Please do not stay out of politics! One "untastefully" 🙃 worded comment should not ban you from participating in one of the most important activities we as citizens should engage in. We must/should talk to one another and attempt to rectify when we feel there has been miscommunication (which happens alot - right?). Thanks for the clarification.
You certainly bring the intellectual element to the conversation. Spot on comparing trump to a buzzard and the smell of rotten meat, he may need a nappy change … or perhaps it's one of his neighbours' pets, quick bite to eat on the way to storm the castle 'n all.
Polite correction: He did not circle her; He walked immediately behind her, looming over her because he is so much taller in order to intimidate her. It was outrageous that the moderators did not tell him to return to his seat.
Hillary had several options, none of which she took. Instead she just seethed internally (according to her book). She could have called him out. She could have waited until the end of her answer then instantly pivoted 180° and said, “Donald! What are YOU doing here?”
But I thought what she should have done was, on HIS next answer she should have walked immediately behind HIM (maybe with an exaggerated gate). That would have made him look ridiculous. If the moderators told her to sit down, she could have said with mock innocence, “I thought it was OK because you let him do it to me.”
I’m scared. The reason is that looking back on the Carter/Reagan debate, I was ecstatic that Carter trounced him. Reagan was Mr. Platitudes, Carter had the facts. I went to bed so happy, woke up to find I was apparently on another planet holding a rose.
Oh yeah it’s all about the Spin! Like someone put out here on Substack one day Princess Di was sex crazed and the next she was a saint. One day Biden was competent the next day demented. It you let the media control your opinion who knows Trump might look like a Commander in Chief and Kamala like a bad rapper can’t really see it the other way around tho
I think you misunderstood Holly’s message. She wasn’t saying that she believes those things. She was saying that “the media” was falsely promoting them. Right, Holly?
Thank you for the benefit of the doubt my friend. I really appreciate that! I think that some of my comments were not funny and may have showed my conservative bias. Which I admit freely that I have. I am not an Always Trumper but do not know that much about Kamala. Honestly before the debate I had never heard or seen her speak. Tge media will spin all kinds of narratives as tge examples I used. I am really hard pressed to say who or what to trust. We are finding out that trusting the science wasn’t really the best……. So I do usually go to different sites etc to try to get a complete picture but as I said my humor was inappropriate and I am sorry. Peace
TA, please take heart. Reagan was Mr. Platitudes in 1980 all right, this time herr drumpf was a consistent firehose of lies about Ms. Harris's presumed incompetence, stupidity and rampant Marxism, and he pancaked on his grandiose claims of his accomplishments in office, and his non-existent plans for the future. Harris showed him to be the seditionist, the worst possible stain upon a chief executive, equal to that of a collaborator with a hostile foreign power, which he also is. What did they do in the old times to people found guilty of these infractions? He was a river of drivel mixed with baseless attacks upon Harris's character as well as her accomplishments. The simple fact is that drumpf never had a plan, and by extension never will. He should be cast adrift on the Pacific with a hook and line and a change of clothing, more than what he has earned.
Kamala wiped the floor with him tonight. She was brilliant and she commanded the stage with her brains and her personality. He rambled and couldn't stay on one subject. He didn't answer the questions... just kept returning to rants on immigration. He is incoherent.
I’d vote for casting him adrift with just a volleyball and a legal notice that he had naming rights. He’d have so many nicknames for it. THE BEST NICKNAMES EVER FOR A VOLLEYBALL!!! (Pronounced vahl-EEE-ball, accent on second syllable.)
Carter was, I believe, a man of principal. His term rejection for re-election left me discombobulated. However, in retirement he went on to do great work for the people.
He and his wife are, and in her case were, such good and decent people. I went to a talk President Carter gave in Cleveland post-presidency, and he was so endearing. My favorite memory is his comment that he knew he wasn’t an exciting speaker the way Reagan was. But when he was delivering a speech in Japan, he tried in spite of himself to make a joke, and for once the audience cracked up laughing. He couldn’t believe it. He asked to see the Japanese interpreter afterward, and this man was shy, didn’t want to answer President Carter’s question: “What did you say?” After he couldn’t put off answering any longer, he admitted he told the audience “President Carter told a joke. Laugh.” Everyone in Cleveland exploded in laughter, including President Carter! What a mensch.
I live on the other side of the world and I shouldn't be interested in this debate other than for entertainment purposes. But Trump is such an existential threat to democracy everywhere I feel I have a stake in the outcome of this debate - and so do all my politically aware friends. I resent Trump for invading my headspace for the last 9-10 years.
You are right. Our world is damned should orange Hitler steal power again. BTW: He hasn't ever won anything in life without his lying, cheating and stealing.
2016, Russia oligarchs & Putin got him to the White House.
She’s kicked ass. U.K. fact checking all his nonsense and that ad he pulled in the papers. Gosh. I hope those voting remember that. Trump has zero plans people of America can’t you see???
The guardian in the U.K. too. We know he is full of crap but we ain’t voting and unless middle America reads the guardian and watches BBC as we do fox and balance arguments over here. Trump could trump and that dear friends will be TRAGIC. Still wondering why I woke up in the middle of the night to watch a felon spout poo. Kamala Wins!
JP Summers- “like” The Guardian is how I found Robert Reich. Most of our other news organizations are disappointing to me lately (since 45’s appearance).
Hmmm. I'm not sure that will be enough. Somehow the lies must be refuted. I've figured she should listen to him, counting his lies on he fingers until he is done. Then announce "that was '8' lies, more than I care to correct. Let me tell you about my policy instead of correcting what he says it is.
I am so disappointed in Linsey Davis. She keeps letting him get away with so many interruptions but when VP Harris tried to assert herself one time, Linsey stopped her.
USA's good laws are routinely violated with impunity by tRumputinists. That is what is appalling about the system in USA. That's why Kamala Harris-Tim Walz and Democrats must improve the USA!
The REAL depravity is our corporate-owned pro-fascist profit- over-facts media.
Look at how journalists fail us!
Of course, Dump is a pathological liar. But to NOT point out this out in real time, all the BS he spreads, he spews, journalists aren't doing their jobs. In fact, major corporate media aids and abets his lies and BS.
That's why the reichwing cult lives on in this country.
I keep remembering when Trump debated Hillary and the way he walked around and circled her like a buzzard! He is awful and he is a misogynist. Is that the right word?
Yes. He is 100% misogynist, among other reprehensible things!!
Yes & evil!
After 9 years, Dump being front & center, being labelled by a judge who knows him, seen the facts and calls Dump a "rapist," not to mention all those infamous tapes referring to women as objects to be abused--you remember the "P" tape? That's not even a question.
OF COURSE HE'S A MISOGYNIST.
Mary--It is the "perfect" word.
Oh my was that why she kept making that squawking noise? Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard! But I do like the visual image of him circling her like a buzzard the smell of rotten meat and all!
You are a sick individual. Combover Caligula lurked behind her like some stalker. He should be aware if he did that to VP Harris, she’d turn around and blast him. He’s a bully who has found someone who doesn’t care a rap about his nonsense. He’ll be whining and throwing ketchup tonight.
Holly - kinda weird comment for someone whose profile proclaims: Love the Lord. Care to elucidate?
I am sorry friend I get caught up in the storm sometimes no excuse but I usually do try to keep it funny. I like to read what the other side thinks and I am not an Always Trumper so tried to watch the debate with an objective idea actually no shots lol and like to read all opinions. I think that Kamala did a great job at the debate myself. Again forgive me probably best for me to just stay out of politics
Hello Holly - Please do not stay out of politics! One "untastefully" 🙃 worded comment should not ban you from participating in one of the most important activities we as citizens should engage in. We must/should talk to one another and attempt to rectify when we feel there has been miscommunication (which happens alot - right?). Thanks for the clarification.
Thank you for your kindness.
How did you stumble on this forum? Did you trip over the rock you crawled out from under?
Zactly
You certainly bring the intellectual element to the conversation. Spot on comparing trump to a buzzard and the smell of rotten meat, he may need a nappy change … or perhaps it's one of his neighbours' pets, quick bite to eat on the way to storm the castle 'n all.
Pardon my delay.
Polite correction: He did not circle her; He walked immediately behind her, looming over her because he is so much taller in order to intimidate her. It was outrageous that the moderators did not tell him to return to his seat.
Hillary had several options, none of which she took. Instead she just seethed internally (according to her book). She could have called him out. She could have waited until the end of her answer then instantly pivoted 180° and said, “Donald! What are YOU doing here?”
But I thought what she should have done was, on HIS next answer she should have walked immediately behind HIM (maybe with an exaggerated gate). That would have made him look ridiculous. If the moderators told her to sit down, she could have said with mock innocence, “I thought it was OK because you let him do it to me.”
It is all just plain old sexual harassment. And racial harassment, and harassment of Veterans.
I’m scared. The reason is that looking back on the Carter/Reagan debate, I was ecstatic that Carter trounced him. Reagan was Mr. Platitudes, Carter had the facts. I went to bed so happy, woke up to find I was apparently on another planet holding a rose.
Oh yeah it’s all about the Spin! Like someone put out here on Substack one day Princess Di was sex crazed and the next she was a saint. One day Biden was competent the next day demented. It you let the media control your opinion who knows Trump might look like a Commander in Chief and Kamala like a bad rapper can’t really see it the other way around tho
I think you misunderstood Holly’s message. She wasn’t saying that she believes those things. She was saying that “the media” was falsely promoting them. Right, Holly?
Thank you for the benefit of the doubt my friend. I really appreciate that! I think that some of my comments were not funny and may have showed my conservative bias. Which I admit freely that I have. I am not an Always Trumper but do not know that much about Kamala. Honestly before the debate I had never heard or seen her speak. Tge media will spin all kinds of narratives as tge examples I used. I am really hard pressed to say who or what to trust. We are finding out that trusting the science wasn’t really the best……. So I do usually go to different sites etc to try to get a complete picture but as I said my humor was inappropriate and I am sorry. Peace
Thank you. Hard to tell sometimes.
TA, please take heart. Reagan was Mr. Platitudes in 1980 all right, this time herr drumpf was a consistent firehose of lies about Ms. Harris's presumed incompetence, stupidity and rampant Marxism, and he pancaked on his grandiose claims of his accomplishments in office, and his non-existent plans for the future. Harris showed him to be the seditionist, the worst possible stain upon a chief executive, equal to that of a collaborator with a hostile foreign power, which he also is. What did they do in the old times to people found guilty of these infractions? He was a river of drivel mixed with baseless attacks upon Harris's character as well as her accomplishments. The simple fact is that drumpf never had a plan, and by extension never will. He should be cast adrift on the Pacific with a hook and line and a change of clothing, more than what he has earned.
Kamala wiped the floor with him tonight. She was brilliant and she commanded the stage with her brains and her personality. He rambled and couldn't stay on one subject. He didn't answer the questions... just kept returning to rants on immigration. He is incoherent.
I’d vote for casting him adrift with just a volleyball and a legal notice that he had naming rights. He’d have so many nicknames for it. THE BEST NICKNAMES EVER FOR A VOLLEYBALL!!! (Pronounced vahl-EEE-ball, accent on second syllable.)
Carter was, I believe, a man of principal. His term rejection for re-election left me discombobulated. However, in retirement he went on to do great work for the people.
He and his wife are, and in her case were, such good and decent people. I went to a talk President Carter gave in Cleveland post-presidency, and he was so endearing. My favorite memory is his comment that he knew he wasn’t an exciting speaker the way Reagan was. But when he was delivering a speech in Japan, he tried in spite of himself to make a joke, and for once the audience cracked up laughing. He couldn’t believe it. He asked to see the Japanese interpreter afterward, and this man was shy, didn’t want to answer President Carter’s question: “What did you say?” After he couldn’t put off answering any longer, he admitted he told the audience “President Carter told a joke. Laugh.” Everyone in Cleveland exploded in laughter, including President Carter! What a mensch.
Does a carafe of wine = a cup of something?
Lol! :D
It sure does, I have a bottle of Merlot in wait.
I live on the other side of the world and I shouldn't be interested in this debate other than for entertainment purposes. But Trump is such an existential threat to democracy everywhere I feel I have a stake in the outcome of this debate - and so do all my politically aware friends. I resent Trump for invading my headspace for the last 9-10 years.
You are right. Our world is damned should orange Hitler steal power again. BTW: He hasn't ever won anything in life without his lying, cheating and stealing.
2016, Russia oligarchs & Putin got him to the White House.
This must not happen again.
She’s kicked ass. U.K. fact checking all his nonsense and that ad he pulled in the papers. Gosh. I hope those voting remember that. Trump has zero plans people of America can’t you see???
Rest easy...Australia. 🙂
🦘🦘😁
FYI, BBC is running a Simulcast of the ABC Debate WITH FACT CHECKING!
Might make Robert's & Heather's job at Fact Checking a bit easier.
The guardian in the U.K. too. We know he is full of crap but we ain’t voting and unless middle America reads the guardian and watches BBC as we do fox and balance arguments over here. Trump could trump and that dear friends will be TRAGIC. Still wondering why I woke up in the middle of the night to watch a felon spout poo. Kamala Wins!
You'd be surprised how many Americans watch BBC and read The Guardian for more informative news. We sure aren't getting it from our News Sources.
JP Summers- “like” The Guardian is how I found Robert Reich. Most of our other news organizations are disappointing to me lately (since 45’s appearance).
The Brits have some great news sources!
Good to know. thanks for posting.
Shouldn’t they be cutting off his microphone?
Moderators are letting him get away with too much free time!
I don't think any of that time helped him a bit. It was just more rope.
9 minutes more. Someone was counting.
P.S. I think it was Heather. 😉
He loves to try to intimidate, but I think she can handle that
He just keeps talking over others and they are not turning off his microphone. So much for rules.
How much time did Trump occupy airwaves vs Harris? SHUT OFF THE MICROPHONE when Trump’s time is up!!!’
Why does ABC allow Trump to retaliate when he technically is not allowed.
Where is the person who’s controlling the mute?????
Why are the mediators calling Trump "president Trump"??? Shouldn't it be "former president Trump "???
Should be Mr. Trump. The proper form of address to even a sitting President is Mr. (OR Ms.)
I thought the same thing.
USA has strange convention of calling /honouring people with their highest previous title.
The rest of the world does Not do this.
eg. Former Canadian Prime Minister Harper is today addressed as “Mister” not “Prime Minister”.
Greedy reichwing pro-fascist CEOs own our media.
Will Trump use the "Gish Gallop" firehose of lies technique he used against Biden? Does Harris know a way to neutralize it? It's not easy.
Don't engage and eyerolls.
Hmmm. I'm not sure that will be enough. Somehow the lies must be refuted. I've figured she should listen to him, counting his lies on he fingers until he is done. Then announce "that was '8' lies, more than I care to correct. Let me tell you about my policy instead of correcting what he says it is.
THIS! Exactly, MikeyB! And that's what Kamala Harris did do, when/if allowed by ABC's moderators.
That's it. An expression can counter a thousand words. Kamala is the one to pull it off.
I am so disappointed in Linsey Davis. She keeps letting him get away with so many interruptions but when VP Harris tried to assert herself one time, Linsey stopped her.
While I agree that a debate is an important and revealing way to help voters decide, the fact that this man is accorded any serious forum is absurd.
100%. Our country's laws are twisted. This BS makes that obvious.
USA's good laws are routinely violated with impunity by tRumputinists. That is what is appalling about the system in USA. That's why Kamala Harris-Tim Walz and Democrats must improve the USA!
I can tell when Trump is lying because his lips are moving
The REAL depravity is our corporate-owned pro-fascist profit- over-facts media.
Look at how journalists fail us!
Of course, Dump is a pathological liar. But to NOT point out this out in real time, all the BS he spreads, he spews, journalists aren't doing their jobs. In fact, major corporate media aids and abets his lies and BS.
That's why the reichwing cult lives on in this country.