President Biden delivered a line that will live in infamy. I may not have it perfect but he said something to the effect that you can’t love the USA only when you win!
Not sure what this means- I don't remember those exact words and I don't think anything Biden said then or before will live in infamy. Am I correct that you intended to say something positive about Biden but it came out wrong?
The only time I have heard the word infamy used was in FDR's quote about the bombing of Pearl Harbor by the Japanese. I agree with you that it was a great State of the Union, and it will be remembered.
Lynn E Levine : While I would not vote for Liz Cheney, because she voted with tRump 94 % of the time, and I believe that some of the trouble visiting us today is a result of the chipping away at the guardrails and consumer protections, and laws that the 'right' have done; But, she gets credit for upholding the rule of law and our Constitution, and being on the January 6th investigative committee. It cost her her seat in office and she and Adam Kinzinger and their families needed protection from the bully in Chief and his thugs. I don't know why she is supposed to apologize for her father's sins.
You have to remember that before the first impeachment, Cheney voted with the Republicans and trump over 90% (95%?) of the time. She is just as conservative as Dick was, it's just that she's a better patriot by far than that passel of trump enablers.
Yes. He pushed for the attack on Iraq, which unleashed so much human misery, destruction and ultimately millions of refugees from that region of the world. Both he and Bush are international war criminals, in my opinion.
Sins of the Father's? Liz Cheney's stand deserves a place in Profiles of Courage but that doesn't make her less Conservative and she has said as such. Still, I might support her for some appropriate office in the next Biden administration.
Liz Cheney’s experience on the Jan 6 committee, has to have given her a democratic lean which is independent from her dad. I’d like to know of his opinion of Liz.
Still, it would be interesting to learn how she became anti-authoritarian in recent years.
Unless the sins of the father are passed onto the children, we don't tend to blame the children. Oh, it's also a logical fallacy. Save your criticism for offspring like Don Jr. & Erik who clearly took their father's corruption to heart.
I agree, that Liz has done some 👍 good! Idealists are allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good. I would not vote for her unless she made some changes in her ideas, but it is silly to expect her to pay dues for what her father did.
A rather less illustrious "infamy" quote would be from the 1964 British comedy film "Carry on Cleo", with Kenneth Williams playing Julius Caesar in a tight spot: "infamy! infamy! They've all got it in for me!". Who needs Hollywood when we Brits have got Pinewood...
No matter how we viewed President Biden's speech half of the country hated it. Question: How do we enlighten those engulfed by a darkness only Trump can navigate.
Donald, I no more believe that half the country “hated” Biden’s speech than I believe we can have any impact on the one-third, give or take, of hard-right extremists that did. While I understand Biden and a coterie of surrogates will be barnstorming the country over the next 8 months, each of us also must do our part to deliver Democratic wins up and down the ballot. Speaking for myself, a block I’m most interested in reaching is the largest block of 2020 eligible voters—the block that didn’t vote. Be they complacent, cynical, or whatever, one of my most effective lines originated with American novelist Rebecca Solnit, who, nearly 15 years ago, stated that “a vote is a chess move, not a valentine.” Another of her statements, particular for people who claim they’re finished with voting for “the lesser of two evils,” is that “the lesser of two evils generally is a lot less evil.”
When I get in a conversation with a Trump supporter I challenge them to the facts that have data backing those facts. They are usually mystified and startled and hopefully they take the time to find out if it is true or not.
The number of Republicans who approve of Trump does not equal half the country, thank goodness. But the bloc who do, and the money and influence they wield IS VERY frightening.
That’s the question alright - how to get thru to the magas - talk about shrinkage … their brains are getting smaller daily - by November, their brains will have output of a snail
"More than 6 in 10 Americans who watched President Joe Biden’s State of the Union address had a positive reaction to the speech, according to a CNN Poll conducted by SSRS, with a smaller 35% reacting very positively."
Most of the commentators I've seen agree that it's more like 65-35 than 50-50. I don't think it'll be forgotten; I think it's the jump start that will ignite the Biden campaign and carry us to victory in November.
Of course as Democrats we can't just take a win; we have to start picking everything apart immediately. How old is he again? Phooey!
I do alot of praying(I've lived miracles,so I know that works)I pray these nitwits come to their senses and grow a conscience,how can they support all that negative,then complain that some things aren't right?.
Keep slamming Biden's many accomplishments down their throats! Biden works for the people including magat's. Magat's don't listen to facts even when they get $100 per month in their SS.
Your heart was in the right place and so was his, but I fear his words will be forgotten. Unless. It would make a great slogan, t shirt, bumper sticker.
I would like to know, who is allowing Orban to come to the home of a traitor and criminal?! WHY is this being allowed? Does anyone know who gave this permission? I really want to know. How can we allow this!?
No Pat. Foreign leaders must have permission, typically from the State Dept. But Trump is a certified criminal not just a citizen. Free Country is mere terminology, not the reality on many levels.
I seriously want to know IF or WHO would give permission! It should be stopped. Republicans & trump don’t abide by laws so I am curious as to how this very dangerous situation could happen!
It looks like they can finagle with the purpose of their visit {Orban visited Trump, not an official of the US government, but that is splitting hairs}. And I’d guess even if he DID say he was coming on official business, on what grounds would he be prevented from visiting Trump?
<< To qualify for an A-1 or A-2 visa, you must be traveling to the United States on behalf of your national government to engage solely in official activities for that government. The specific duties or services that will be performed must be governmental in character or nature, as determined by the U.S. Department of State, in accordance with U.S. immigration laws. Government officials traveling to the United States to perform non-governmental functions of a commercial nature, or traveling as tourists, require the appropriate visas and do not qualify for A visas. The fact that there may be government interest or control in a given organization is not in itself the defining factor in determining if you qualify for an A visa.>>
It seems to me that Foggy Bottom would have an interest ANY TIME the leader of ANY foreign nation enters US territory.. There are state implications inherent in any such visit. I think the secretary could deny entry.
KatlMarx- I agree and this is why I am so alarmed! Trump is a twice impeached rapist, with 91 waiting indictments!!! I’m thinking this would be a responsibility of Blinken…but not sure. Why would he give this a pass? Really makes no sense.
Still chills me when the predecessor talks about retribution. General Milley knows he's a target, but how many others? Maybe that's why they perform for him.
Keith had it right. From my perspective he hit the nail. I assume that loving the country when one loses the vote is a contrast to The Trumpster and his magas.
So much of what he said will be remembered. I interpreted it to mean that Trump lost and in that fact he has continued to show us that he doesn't love our Country but only himself. He lost. He needs to get over the fact that not everyone thinks he's a winner. Including me who was a Republican for 60 years.
What that meant to me is that if you lose an election, you must persevere in your hope for the USA and not succumb to the usual nonsense: for example: "Oh, I hate POLITICS" "Politicians are ALL crooked." "I never vote, it's not worth my time." "I'm too BUSY to think about all that." And then we have Trump with his plans for retribution and revenge, a scenario full of cheap thrills for the ignorant and angry.
I'm also aware of the possibility that employers frequently post "ghost jobs," positions they have no intention of filling. (It's still unclear to me why they'd do such a thing. Perhaps the reason is far too subtle for a rustic, the likes of me to comprehend unless it's a way of gaming the statistics or gaming "the system" in some other way for the purpose of gaining some other benefit.) Take that under advisement, though. It needs to be looked into and confirmed: https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/what-are-ghost-jobs-and-why-are-they-everywhere-now/435666
Noted. But do you speak for all other employer/HR managers? For example, I've been in many schools and on many college campuses, and in many shopping malls in my 3 score 10-1/2 years on this old earth, and never once have I personally experienced a mass shooting or some other act of terrorism. But I can speak only for myself.
(To be fair, I've also traveled down many, many country backroads in the middle of the night and have never once been abducted by a single alien or subjected to erotic sexual experimentation by said alien or aliens, either. Then again likewise, I can only speak for myself! 😁🤣)
Perhaps. It also helps justify the common complaints on Nextdoor about how the homeless should get a job, by folks claiming that they see help wanted advertisements everywhere.
I read this as a faux pas. Let's say it was one of the most memorable - and subtly pointed. I spoke to a Trump supporter who said, "I believe he loves this country." I responded with, "Yes, when it lets him get away with the things he does."
President Biden was poised, affable and convincing. He acted and sounded like a President. I think he won over many voters, who were unsure about him. Bravo!
President Biden delivered a line that will live in infamy. I may not have it perfect but he said something to the effect that you can’t love the USA only when you win!
Not sure what this means- I don't remember those exact words and I don't think anything Biden said then or before will live in infamy. Am I correct that you intended to say something positive about Biden but it came out wrong?
Oops, you are right. I meant it as a compliment. Thank you Richard. I didn’t know the definition of infamy!
The only time I have heard the word infamy used was in FDR's quote about the bombing of Pearl Harbor by the Japanese. I agree with you that it was a great State of the Union, and it will be remembered.
Gloria Maloney : Liz Cheney said the attack on the Capitol by the MAGAs will live in infamy, as well.
I know everyone loves Liz Cheney now but it's hard to forget that her father did more harm to this country than anyone I can think of..
Patriot Act coming to mind immediately but much more. I would trust her intentions more if she was honest about that.
Lynn E Levine : While I would not vote for Liz Cheney, because she voted with tRump 94 % of the time, and I believe that some of the trouble visiting us today is a result of the chipping away at the guardrails and consumer protections, and laws that the 'right' have done; But, she gets credit for upholding the rule of law and our Constitution, and being on the January 6th investigative committee. It cost her her seat in office and she and Adam Kinzinger and their families needed protection from the bully in Chief and his thugs. I don't know why she is supposed to apologize for her father's sins.
You have to remember that before the first impeachment, Cheney voted with the Republicans and trump over 90% (95%?) of the time. She is just as conservative as Dick was, it's just that she's a better patriot by far than that passel of trump enablers.
I do not believe a child should be liable for the sins of a parent
Yes. He pushed for the attack on Iraq, which unleashed so much human misery, destruction and ultimately millions of refugees from that region of the world. Both he and Bush are international war criminals, in my opinion.
Sins of the Father's? Liz Cheney's stand deserves a place in Profiles of Courage but that doesn't make her less Conservative and she has said as such. Still, I might support her for some appropriate office in the next Biden administration.
Liz Cheney’s experience on the Jan 6 committee, has to have given her a democratic lean which is independent from her dad. I’d like to know of his opinion of Liz.
Still, it would be interesting to learn how she became anti-authoritarian in recent years.
Unless the sins of the father are passed onto the children, we don't tend to blame the children. Oh, it's also a logical fallacy. Save your criticism for offspring like Don Jr. & Erik who clearly took their father's corruption to heart.
She isn’t her father.
Would love to hear her thoughts on Republican reaction to that speech.
She has encouraged her fellow Republicans (most were purged from the party by tRump) to vote for Joe Biden.
From what I've seen,she is financing ads and whatever she can do for the cause!
I agree, that Liz has done some 👍 good! Idealists are allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good. I would not vote for her unless she made some changes in her ideas, but it is silly to expect her to pay dues for what her father did.
A rather less illustrious "infamy" quote would be from the 1964 British comedy film "Carry on Cleo", with Kenneth Williams playing Julius Caesar in a tight spot: "infamy! infamy! They've all got it in for me!". Who needs Hollywood when we Brits have got Pinewood...
I am one who remembers that movie. A classic beyond words. How great you remembered that line and could apply it here!
😂😂😂
Haha.
Plus, isn't it wonderful that Romans and Greeks and God knows who else had British accents ..
My apologies for using the wrong word. I always assumed infamy meant it was something that would never be forgotten.
No matter how we viewed President Biden's speech half of the country hated it. Question: How do we enlighten those engulfed by a darkness only Trump can navigate.
Donald, I no more believe that half the country “hated” Biden’s speech than I believe we can have any impact on the one-third, give or take, of hard-right extremists that did. While I understand Biden and a coterie of surrogates will be barnstorming the country over the next 8 months, each of us also must do our part to deliver Democratic wins up and down the ballot. Speaking for myself, a block I’m most interested in reaching is the largest block of 2020 eligible voters—the block that didn’t vote. Be they complacent, cynical, or whatever, one of my most effective lines originated with American novelist Rebecca Solnit, who, nearly 15 years ago, stated that “a vote is a chess move, not a valentine.” Another of her statements, particular for people who claim they’re finished with voting for “the lesser of two evils,” is that “the lesser of two evils generally is a lot less evil.”
When I get in a conversation with a Trump supporter I challenge them to the facts that have data backing those facts. They are usually mystified and startled and hopefully they take the time to find out if it is true or not.
The number of Republicans who approve of Trump does not equal half the country, thank goodness. But the bloc who do, and the money and influence they wield IS VERY frightening.
The only way we can--keep shining a light for them and hope they eventually find that it is easier to navigate with the light than without it.
Great Question. Dems need to navigate those waters, if we are to win and reunited our democracy and our country.
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That’s the question alright - how to get thru to the magas - talk about shrinkage … their brains are getting smaller daily - by November, their brains will have output of a snail
"More than 6 in 10 Americans who watched President Joe Biden’s State of the Union address had a positive reaction to the speech, according to a CNN Poll conducted by SSRS, with a smaller 35% reacting very positively."
Here's the link: https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/politics/cnn-poll-biden-sotu-speech-reaction/index.html
Most of the commentators I've seen agree that it's more like 65-35 than 50-50. I don't think it'll be forgotten; I think it's the jump start that will ignite the Biden campaign and carry us to victory in November.
Of course as Democrats we can't just take a win; we have to start picking everything apart immediately. How old is he again? Phooey!
I do alot of praying(I've lived miracles,so I know that works)I pray these nitwits come to their senses and grow a conscience,how can they support all that negative,then complain that some things aren't right?.
Keep slamming Biden's many accomplishments down their throats! Biden works for the people including magat's. Magat's don't listen to facts even when they get $100 per month in their SS.
That's true but it lives on in disgrace! Much like trump and MTG will be remembered.
Lives on in disgrace? Please clarify ...
Oops. Infamy Remember the Maine vs Etenity Remember the Alamo. Its all good. I didnt get the "Everyone loves Raymond" rederence..
I understood you completely and agree
Keith--I always thought it meant the thought needing remembering would be done in a fiery manner.
Live in infamy, live ignominy.
Live forever, better meaning, less resounding.
Whatever, it was a terrific line I have heard recently before. Don’t know if he was the first to say it, but it was terrific he said it in SOTU.
Keith Olson ; It works for the "Dark Brandon" character! Remember , MAGAts are 'widdow victims'!
😁
It actually does. But not in a good way!
Your heart was in the right place and so was his, but I fear his words will be forgotten. Unless. It would make a great slogan, t shirt, bumper sticker.
LOL I knew what you meant, @Keith.
I would like to know, who is allowing Orban to come to the home of a traitor and criminal?! WHY is this being allowed? Does anyone know who gave this permission? I really want to know. How can we allow this!?
Trump has the gall only a crazy man would have! He would invite Adolf Hitler if he were still alive.
I am moved to say, “It’s a free country.”
Who would stop him, and on what grounds?
Donald is still to be held ACCOUNTABLE for his treason and criminality, and for Donald, the wheels grind REALLY slowly {for some unknown reason!!!}.
Orban, I assume, can generally go where he likes.
The visit is an affront and an abomination, but what’s new, when it comes to Trump stuff?
No Pat. Foreign leaders must have permission, typically from the State Dept. But Trump is a certified criminal not just a citizen. Free Country is mere terminology, not the reality on many levels.
I seriously want to know IF or WHO would give permission! It should be stopped. Republicans & trump don’t abide by laws so I am curious as to how this very dangerous situation could happen!
Who gave permission for Bibi Netanyahu to visit the US, speak to Congress, and totally ignore President Obama? i dunno , but it happened.
It looks like they can finagle with the purpose of their visit {Orban visited Trump, not an official of the US government, but that is splitting hairs}. And I’d guess even if he DID say he was coming on official business, on what grounds would he be prevented from visiting Trump?
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It seems to me that Foggy Bottom would have an interest ANY TIME the leader of ANY foreign nation enters US territory.. There are state implications inherent in any such visit. I think the secretary could deny entry.
KatlMarx- I agree and this is why I am so alarmed! Trump is a twice impeached rapist, with 91 waiting indictments!!! I’m thinking this would be a responsibility of Blinken…but not sure. Why would he give this a pass? Really makes no sense.
The question is 'how could we disallow it?'
No. Both questions should be asked, but first and foremost, WHO would have possibly cleared this!? A criminal is meeting a dictator! WTF!
in·fa·my
[ˈinfəmē]
noun
the state of being well known for some bad quality or deed:
"a day that will live in infamy"
Similar:
notoriety
disrepute
disreputableness
ill repute
disgrace
an evil or wicked act:
"one of history's greatest infamie
You can “edit” your comment (or you use to be able to)
There doesn’t seem to be a way to edit. Which is unfortunate. I have done it on other substacks.
There’s a little string of three dots at the bottom right of all posts on my Substack pages. Hit it, and you get edit or delete for your own post.
Nope. That doesn’t give an edit option.
Try it. Not happening
Maybe the word you want is posterity.
"Thereby hangs a tale."
Good pick-up. I missed that. However, I took Keith Olson's use of "will live in infamy" to mean unforgettable.
MAGAs may never forget, anyway!
You're right. MAGAs retribution requires never forgetting.
Me too
"Democrats run like they want to win an argument; Republicans run like they want to win an election." -- Rick Wilson, The Lincoln Project
Democrats want to look forward and run the country. Republicans want vengeance, retribution and want to arrest progress.
Still chills me when the predecessor talks about retribution. General Milley knows he's a target, but how many others? Maybe that's why they perform for him.
Republicans are only interested in supporting a “ cheater”
Maybe because they want to get rid of Democracy.
‘Infamy’ in the mind of a certain Predecessor, perhaps.
Yes. "A certain Predecessor" is Biden's "SOTU speak" for Trump.
" Instead of erasing history let's make history"
It was meant as an admonition to those who want to destroy democracy
Keith had it right. From my perspective he hit the nail. I assume that loving the country when one loses the vote is a contrast to The Trumpster and his magas.
So much of what he said will be remembered. I interpreted it to mean that Trump lost and in that fact he has continued to show us that he doesn't love our Country but only himself. He lost. He needs to get over the fact that not everyone thinks he's a winner. Including me who was a Republican for 60 years.
Will live in history
Thank you
"You can't love your county only when you win."
What that meant to me is that if you lose an election, you must persevere in your hope for the USA and not succumb to the usual nonsense: for example: "Oh, I hate POLITICS" "Politicians are ALL crooked." "I never vote, it's not worth my time." "I'm too BUSY to think about all that." And then we have Trump with his plans for retribution and revenge, a scenario full of cheap thrills for the ignorant and angry.
Ignorance is bliss until it’s not!
Keith - You can edit what you wrote and use another word than"Infamy." But yes, that was a great line!
I don’t think you can edit once it’s sent.
I can do it when I'm using a laptop. I just right click and the edit option pops up.
I haven't figured out a way to do it on my phone. But most people understood what you what you meant. Your intent.
Thank you. I tried to edit with my IPad, not happening.
I hope everyone knew I meant it was a great statement.
I have edited stuff...clicking on the little dots underneath.... but I don't know.
THANK YOU, YES!!
The little dots below and to the right offer an edit option! I wonder if this option is always available. Hmmm?
I'm dyslexic as hell and always have to edit everything and so far have always been able to on Robert's posts.
Thanks worth trying occasionally misspelled or missing word to curse of trying to post at 4 am
Exactly. Fair weather friends.
Whatever anyone thinks of the SOTU address, this is what I have in mind for his messaging:
https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=eJhJE71zOlB-brcs
Well done, Brandon - dark or otherwise!
Not to be a wet blanket here in the midst of all the euphoria about Biden's >apparently< successful SOTU address, but here's a piece that may shed a little more light on why many voters are reported dissatisfied with an economy that's >apparently< chugging right along with a low unemployment rate: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers/i-am-losing-my-mind-behind-the-rosy-job-numbers-americans-are-struggling-to-find-work/ar-BB1jtPLR
I'm also aware of the possibility that employers frequently post "ghost jobs," positions they have no intention of filling. (It's still unclear to me why they'd do such a thing. Perhaps the reason is far too subtle for a rustic, the likes of me to comprehend unless it's a way of gaming the statistics or gaming "the system" in some other way for the purpose of gaining some other benefit.) Take that under advisement, though. It needs to be looked into and confirmed: https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/what-are-ghost-jobs-and-why-are-they-everywhere-now/435666
Here's another little piece proffering counter-intuitive results: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/the-20-happiest-states-in-the-us-ranked/ss-AA1gCuIE#image=17 (Also to be taken under advisement and looked into further.)
I am an employer/HR manager and in 25+ years have NEVER posted a ghost job. I am skeptical of this.
Noted. But do you speak for all other employer/HR managers? For example, I've been in many schools and on many college campuses, and in many shopping malls in my 3 score 10-1/2 years on this old earth, and never once have I personally experienced a mass shooting or some other act of terrorism. But I can speak only for myself.
(To be fair, I've also traveled down many, many country backroads in the middle of the night and have never once been abducted by a single alien or subjected to erotic sexual experimentation by said alien or aliens, either. Then again likewise, I can only speak for myself! 😁🤣)
Of course, judging from this piece, Biden must've delivered one hell of an address: https://youtu.be/khMLvAy32fM?si=GDhWtG9Pim9rMB1W
Some employers are posting these ghost jobs to soothe the other employees being overworked- they say, yeah we’ve got openings but no ones applying -
Perhaps. It also helps justify the common complaints on Nextdoor about how the homeless should get a job, by folks claiming that they see help wanted advertisements everywhere.
Infamy-Evil notoriety or reputation;The state of of being infamous. A disgraceful publicly known act.
Don’t think ‘infamy’ is quite what you meant … not sure why Robert ‘liked’ it.
close, "You can't love your country only when you win." Which makes it more universal to other places although it's obvious whom he was referring to.
I read this as a faux pas. Let's say it was one of the most memorable - and subtly pointed. I spoke to a Trump supporter who said, "I believe he loves this country." I responded with, "Yes, when it lets him get away with the things he does."
I've seen him wrap his grubby arms around our beloved flag and kiss it and touch it w/ those filthy hands,totally nauseated me! Big time!
Each of those banners should be condemned as tainted and respectfully burned at his feet.
Well said !!!
President Biden was poised, affable and convincing. He acted and sounded like a President. I think he won over many voters, who were unsure about him. Bravo!