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Mr. Reich is correct, Trump Republicans must not reward Putin’s aggression period!

Trump’s only strength

He plays on your weaknesses!

(The opposite of Bravery is Fealty to a dictator wannabe!) What has happened to THE HOME OF THE BRAVE? The GOP has become a herd of sheep.

It’s indefensibly deplorable that members of their own party were receiving Death Threats because they didn’t vote for Jim Jordan to be Speaker of the House! Then they voted unanimously for MAGA Mike Johnson! Heather Cox Richardson noted that Mike Johnson’s 2018 campaign accepted money from a group of Russian nationals, and he has said he does not support additional funding for Ukraine in its fight against Russian aggression! Not one Republican representative abstained or voted against the new Speaker of the House. I think we should start calling them the Marshmallow Party! Or maybe the Domino Party in a perfect line behind the treasonous cult leader.

To the 76 million who voted for Trump, how does it make you feel when you are aligned with racism, xenophobia, islamophobia, homophobia, misogyny, and bigotry!

It used to make your stomach turn if you had any decency. What changed? Think about all the fallen soldiers that gave their lives to protect our Constitution and our Country. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have died defending us!

Are you also saying now that they were losers and suckers like the FPOTUS?

Think long and hard about whether you would rather live in a free country, where we the people pick our leaders, the present U.S., or a country with an autocratic form of government which is led by a Dictator, or a group of leaders, who hold governmental powers with few to no limitations, typically favoring loyalty over competence in their governments and have a general distrust of intelligentsia. Elites in personalist dictatorships often do not have a professional political career and are unqualified for positions they are given. Sound familiar? And your rights and freedoms that you have now are relinquished.

Your most important right, the right to vote would mean nothing!!!

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Oct 30, 2023·edited Nov 1, 2023Liked by Robert Reich

“America can’t afford to support Israel and Ukraine simultaneously.”

I heard this yesterday from a senior House Republican who wants to send additional billions to Israel but not to Ukraine. It’s a foolish and misleading position. Of course we can afford to send additional aid to Ukraine even if we’re also sending aid to Israel. Trump Republicans must not reward Putin’s aggression."

That's >exactly< what I argued a few days ago concerning the fishy timing of the initial Hamas attack. I still >suspect< coordination by Tehran on behalf of Moscow, because it opens a second front on Ukraine, just as US support for Ukraine is vulnerable. Although Israel is a Tehran objective unto itself, even if Hamas had been planning such a strike for a long time, it's ultimately about supporting Moscow in Ukraine - as a strategic consequence. It's all about the trajectory of the thrust. 9 ball banked into corner pocket after kissing off the 8 ball into the side pocket - if you can visualize the trajectory of a pool shot.

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I think all these events happening when they did was just part of the plan of a 2nd coup attempt with all the major players involved !! Dumpster gives/sells info like nuclear information to his "special friend" Putin who gives/sells this info to Iran who gives/sells to Hamas/Hesballah who needs to do a little favor for Putin ! Meanwhile the repugnants fvck up the government and cause chaos and mayhem , refuse to do anything to help its citizens but instead get all the repugnants to lose their ever loving minds and vote to have the worst douche bag women-hating , xenophobic, arrogant , bigoted , misogynistic,racist, religious zealot to be 2nd in line for the presidency and who has already stated that the election of 2020 was stolen and got a bunch of other asshats in congress to get on board his lawsuit !! So that's what's happening in the world today ! Just a little thing called democracy going down the drain !!

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Kimberlee - I think you nailed it. I think it's bigger than anyone ever imagined, and as "sensible" people characterize as delusional "conspiracy". But it's real. bombs are real. the coup attempt is real. the proliferation of billionaires, with no allegiance except to their money, is real. the climate destructing in front of our eyes is real. and we fiddle on as the world burns.

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It's a tough world you live in, huh? What, your latte was not to your liking this morning.

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An interesting comment; I'm trying to figure out to whom you're responding. Nevertheles, I do agree with you in the larger sense.

If you've read my posts, you know that I despise capitalism, colonialism, consumerism, etc. etc. We are comfortably nursing our too hot/cold lattes while the world burns, while children are bombed to pieces. So what should we do?

Tell me; I'm listening.

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Register voters, esp younger voters.

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Incorrect--

Donald Hodgins <silencenotbad@gmail.com>

8:40 PM (0 minutes ago)

As a young child, I was told and read a short story in which a precocious rabbit had a confrontation with a figure made entirely of tar. The dark figure irritated the rabbit immensely because of his failure to communicate. Outraged by the figure's silent arrogance the rabbit punched the tar baby. His hand became stuck in the blackened goo and the more he tried to get free the "stuckyer" he became. Rage became his own undoing, the tar image ensnared the rabbit until at length he collapsed from complete exhaustion. Then from the thicket, Brer Fox emerged to claim his prize, a rabbit dinner. Ham'as has lured the Israeli military into a death trap, not that dissimilar from the tar baby scenario in the story "Song of the South." The harder the Israeli military fights the more they will become entangled in the web Ham'as has spun for them. Then when Gaza is still smoldering the rest of the Islamic Middle East will move in and inundate what is left of the Israeli nation, and we want to get involved in that. Zippity Doo Dah.

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Robert---I would love to hear your argument but sadly I can't understand what you wrote.

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Exactly!

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Well summarized in one succinct paragraph.

And my tire light went on.

Always something.

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Your tire-warning light is probably powered by a battery that doesn’t last as long as you’d like it to.

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More likely it is a reflection of a change of season. Heat expands the volume and the volumetric tire pressure. Cooler temperatures causes the volume to compress and probably a little leakage around the rim.

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Was it made by Tesla. Figure half life

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YES! And, at least at my dealership, costs a small fortune to replace if you hate having to look at that yellow warning light all the time. ARGH!

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I seriously don't know if anyone was prescient enough to plan this all out as clearly as this, but the gains in strategic positioning on the Right are clear and horrible.

Israeli victims of the monstrous terror attack (along with foreign visitors among those killed and among the hostages) and Palestinians under massive and brutal retaliatory attack are mere collateral damage to demagogues now planning how to solidify their advantage while their electorates are in shock.

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Exactly what I’ve been thinking and also trying not to. Don’t forget Steve Bannon and the repugnants who likely get their orders from him.

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WOW. Hamas is now a Trump advocate. What rock have you been hiding under.

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I’ve read that because the Czars of Russia wanted an ideologically pure country (everyone a member in good standing of the Orthodox Church), Jews were encouraged to settle in Ukraine and Poland. Result: easy targets for Hitler, who also wanted an ideologically and “racially” pure country. Seems obvious to me that “1 country, 1 people” causes suffering on the grandest scale. This is why, unless Israel wants continual or continuous warfare, it needs to write a constitution with a built-in bill of rights, and establish an equal-opportunity programs for citizens of Israel who are not Jewish. This approach seems to be working in the USA.

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Stan, oh? Since when has the bill of rights been working in the USofA other than for the NRA and gun owners?

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Stan, - Nothing is working in the USA, my friend!

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Boy are you correct!!

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Oct 30, 2023·edited Oct 30, 2023

Opening another front in the Middle East to better sustain his aggression on Ukraine, though there seems to be no positive element proving it, would suit quite well Putin's playbook. He surprised a lot of people when he almost cried on TV, a week or so ago, about the plea of Gazans. If he fomented with Iran the Hamas 10/7 attack, then it could be rightly said that Benjamin Netanyahu is the blood-thirsty, useful idiot presently fulfilling Putin's dream of ending a free Ukraine. Violence is blind.

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Oct 30, 2023·edited Oct 30, 2023

Exactly. It's like a global chess game. Russians are champion chess players and the Persians - Tehran - invented the damn game! On the other hand, it's all diplomacy, as well. And as ol' Beau likes to say: "diplomacy is like a poker game in which everyone is cheating."

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Stuff like this tend to support your argument: Iran meeting with Hamas in Moscow. https://apnews.com/article/russia-iran-hamas-israel-palestine-9b57f4322f57f3a6ff33e2908cb2a3ef

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Thanks! AP's a good source.

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I like your analysis of diplomacy. And, from Clausewitz, when it fails, the military option is the only one left.

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Good point, Lynn. So, when prior to his 'military operations' into Ukraine began, Putin strongly had suggested negotiations to correct the - for the Russians - intolerable strategic situation on the Russian-European borders, and when NATO and the EU ignored his plea, then, as you say, according to Clausewitz, there was no other way to go than war.

I'm being serious, by the way - not ironic. The Russians, not just Putin, regarded NATO's membership expansion right up to Russia's borders during the 1990s as provocative and a threat to Russia's strategic security. Putin sought a readjustment but NATO stubbornly wanted to hold on to their advantage. They in effect turned down diplomacy.

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I agree. I actually foretold the NATO push would result in Putin taking action.

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I'm not sure Putin is that good a strategist. If he has pulled this off, he has greatly improved his abilities.

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Everyone was quick to judge Russia and justly. For outlawing protests, and killing civilians and much more, Israel did all the same things at much quicker pace, and has called the people of Palestine animals and worse, here we support all the same things we condemned when Russia was doing them.

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"Israel did the same thing" Yes, after their babies were beheaded, children were murdered at a music festival and now there is clear and convincing evidence with audio and video that Hamas has its base of operations under Shifa hospital all with tunnels going into the interior of the hospital. Hundreds of gallons of fuel were found, enough to last for Hamas to continue killing for 4 months. In addition, Hamas has been killing Palestinians fleeing to the south as Israel instructed. Food and water entering Gaza has been prevented from entering Gaza by them NOT Israel. The Ahia hospital was not hit by Israel, but a failed rocket launch by HAMAS. How many times does Israel have to prove their innocence. Blaming Israel is an old trope Hitler used to climb to power. Do we need to make the same mistake as Germany before we recognize that this is a propaganda war that China, Russia, Iran are playing and there winning as evidenced by you.

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The majority of everything you typed here is propaganda talking points that can be disproven or at a bare minimum not proven. If Biden said it, better double check it are good words to live by

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Oct 31, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

"Food and water entering Gaza has been prevented from entering Gaza by them NOT Israel." Do you mean that the Israeli government did not decide that, even though they said they did, or do you mean that people in Gaza had it coming because of the atrocities perpetrated by Hamas on 10/7? In either case, you, my friend, are the first victim of the propaganda war frenzy you blame others for falling into. Giving oneself license to kill entire populations is a war crime, wherever you look at it from.

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Eadie, - We haven't been shown the tunnels yet - not one. What we have been shown is one insurgent's military equipment. So far, that's all.

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I think you are not well informed nor traveled. Perhaps you should live in Russia and then in Israel before you make such statements.

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You sound entirely elitest with your "not well traveled" statement. Maybe you should take into account not everyone has the money to be well traveled... Before you make such statements.

Have you lived in Russia & Israel?

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It's just a chance to hang everything on Russia, I don't think this is Putin's work either, it was allegedly planned for 2 years, and I somewhat believe that. Or Israel let it happen so they could get on with some next level atrocities genocide and land theft, who knows.

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Of course the Holocaust was real, so was/is the Nakba

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Charles, - Well, when attempted diplomacy failed in Ukraine, what Putin did was to turn to Syria in September 2015 and help the Assad government militarily. He was hoping that this strategic move would distract NATO from their plans in Ukraine or induce NATO to seek a negotiated peace deal re: the European-Russian border. It didn't work, but it did result in a closer friendship between Putin and Assad.

NATO's military involvement in Ukraine, and the West's exaggerated fear and loathing of China, has pushed Russia closer to China. Not a brilliant strategy by NATO! We now have two enemies instead of one. And we have provoked and renewed China's claim to Taiwan.

Then, the U.S.'s sabotage of the oil/gas line under the Baltic Sea last year will most likely have long-term negative consequences for the relationship between the U.S. and EU. The EU will never forget this stark example of U.S. industrial and trade warfare against the EU. Another brilliant strategic move by the U.S. within the NATO alliance!

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Robert, - Your use of hashtags mystify me. I'm obviously not as modern - or postmodern - as you and find them hard to decipher. However, I did watch your video clip, about the traditional European practice of blaming of the Jews for everything under the sun. So, I have a comment - an example from my hometown of Oslo, c. 1953.

We had a housekeeper who was profoundly Christian (whereas I had a mother who was an evangelical atheist). One Sunday our housekeep invited me to come to church with her. The church was the Oslo Cathedral, easily the largest church in Oslo. Really, I was there in order to report back to my mother about the latest absurdity that the Lutheran ministers had dreamed up of late. (Our housekeeper didn't know that I had this hidden agenda). Anyway, I found myself taking a keen interest in the sermon of the day: it was all about how 'the Jews had killed Jesus'. Now, I was under the general impression that Jesus - also - was a Jew; and so I couldn't understand why the priest was banging on about 'the Jews' killing a fellow Jew. What was extraordinary about that? Ten years earlier, during the German occupation of Norway, we had seen Norwegians killing Norwegians. In fact, Vidkun Quisling - the Norwegian traitor - had been a part of this domestic bloodletting. So, why this priest's mystifying emphasis on 'the Jews' killing Jesus, I wondered. And why would a priest - a loving Christian, of all men - want to blame 'the Jews' barely ten years after the Norwegian Nazis had, in cohot with their German friends, dispatched practially every Norwegian Jew to German extermination camps? (And only a handful of them returned after the war).

I don't know how our housekeeper explained away the priest's sermon. But yes, I'm well aware of antisemitism - even, sadly, in my country of origin.

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Whether he was smart enough the plan it, or just now able to take advantage, that is what he will try to do.

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Without a doubt!

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When all else fails, look away from the obvious. We blame, blame, blame while the real magicians are treating the world to their slight of hand. Is it Hamas? Hezzbollah, Iran, Iraq, Tehran, Russia...follow the 💰. Never lose sight of our good friends in Saudi Arabia who always have their hands somewhere in the pot, quietly stirring behind the scenes.

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Gaza as a second front in Ukraine. Hamas, Iran, and Russia working concert with perfect timing. The ascendancy of The Heritage Foundation’s favorite son Mike Johnson to be Speaker, wrapped in a MAGA flag. The countdown toward the 2024 election. Master chess player Putin with his many puppet strings in play. The timing of it all. This is really beginning to read like a Robert Ludlum bestseller. I only wish it was fiction.

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Oct 30, 2023·edited Oct 30, 2023

In deference to objections others have stated here, I don't think Putin ordered the move - directly. More likely, it's Tehran lending what assistance it can to an ally, by launching an attack they probably had already planned. It's just the exact timing of the attack that serves Putin's interest. Otherwise, I think Hamas would've launched at whatever time Tehran might have otherwise directed. Tehran's only task was to choose the best time to pull the trigger.

That's why I shocked folks in discussion the other day by saying that if Israel >must< go to war, they should mount a massive strike on Tehran, rather than risk slaughtering naked civilians, who are themselves captive human shields for Hamas. Go after the >real< enemy rather than falling into their trap. Of course, there was all the WWIII blowback on that idea. And just to be clear, I >know< that an attack on Tehran is a bad idea. However, when there are only bad ideas to bear, the least worst is the best alternative.

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DZK, - It may be as you say. However, there are rumours that Hamas may have picked this particular time because Israel was preparing to settle another million Jewish settlers in the West Bank. Whether this is true, I don't know. - Putin was, after all, negotiating with Israel about closer ties. It could be that Hamas was trying to undermine those negotiations.

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Oct 31, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

Not outside the realm of possibility, particularly if Tehran is advising them. However, Tehran would have an interest in disrupting those negotiations with their Moscow ally, too, no matter what the rumor mill was saying. Tehran is Israel's enemy, too. The question becomes whether Tehran - based on its own intelligence - told Hamas it's time to launch what they'd already been planning to do, or whether Hamas is acting on their own initiative. Keep in mind, the Hamas weapons came from somewhere and they had to have materiel support and expertise from somebody else to secretly construct the highly engineered honeycomb of tunnels from which they operate. It all comes down to the timing of their attack. Who decided this was the perfect time to launch?

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remind me not to go on a road trip with you as the navigator

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Oct 30, 2023·edited Oct 30, 2023

As a further thought, I think Putin's only direct involvement with the Israel strike may have been limited to saying something to Tehran like: "Hey guys. They're killin' me in Ukraine. Help me out here. Is there something you can do?"

Tehran: "Why sure, Vlad. We'll call Hamas and tell them to throw the big party we already had planned."

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Finally, someone who can think. You must have had some education on this. Military?

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True - I've served. Otherwise, I've just'a been a'payin' attention!

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Robert, excellent question by Malcom Nance. Nance usually hits the nail on the head. I would like anyone on this thread to answer one simple question. What would you propose to do after your friends, family and neighbors were brutally slaughtered as they were on 10/7?. It's easy to condemn the Hamas terrorism, not at all easy to answer my question. Supporters of the two sideism, moral equivalency arguments are mum on this question, but they are Jonny on the spot to condemn Israel's response to the 10/7 attack.

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Eadie, - Because there is something called 'over-reaction' and 'disproportionate response'.

After the war - after the Holocauset became known - there were specualtions as to whether some individual Jew might have offended the young Hitler in some way, and whether this incident turned Hitler into a an anti-Semite. In other words, people wondered, did Hitler overreact, and was the Holocaust his disproportionate response? Killing a whole ethnic population.

Is Netanyahu and his cabinet about to do something similar in the Gaz strip? Collective punishment - admittedly on a smaller scale than the Holocause, but still enough to upset the so-called 'international community'. Is this what Hamas was counting on? Is Netanyahu playing into the hands of their opponent?

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I'm not convinced Moscow had any role in Hamas' timing. Indeed for a while Putin's relations with Israel had been getting increasingly cordial.

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Oct 30, 2023·edited Oct 30, 2023

I'm saying it's Tehran - not Moscow. I suspect it was Tehran's plan all along. However, I think Tehran directed the timing of the assault - which they could've directed at any time - to assist their Muscovite ally's interest, just as Moscow's campaign is facing setbacks and Ukraine needs continued support from the US, while Congress was - at the time - in disarray. Even now, the US is passing unlimited support for Israel, while those who hold the US purse strings in Congress are - shall we say - less disposed toward Ukraine. That's why they've decoupled funding for Israel from funding for Ukraine instead of passing support for both in a single aid package. In just the same way, it's splitting congressional support for Ukraine, which serves Moscow. Funding for Ukraine could otherwise pass along with funding for Israel. It's now possible that funding for Ukraine could get voted down. That uncertainty aids Moscow, while Tehran's only objective is to get Israel to commit atrocity - for fun and recruiting. The Palestinians? To Tehran, they're holy martyrs.

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As the yrics go - Who's zooming who. (Of course that was before Zoom was created.)

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DZK, - But see my comment a bit further up this thread!

What I'm suggesting is that Hamas wanted to undermine any developing closer ties between Russia and Israel.

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Tim, - I agree. A common attitude - correlation, if you like - does not demonstrate cause-effect. It may be that Tehran's thinking coincided with Hamas'.

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As far as I know Tehran backs both Hezbollah and Hamas financially and militarily, though in the case of the former the support is direct (Hamas are linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, which is Sunni). Its support for Hamas is opportunistic and political since it's opposed to the US and Israel. We should remember though that the last thing Tehran wants at this time is open war with either Israel or the US - it just can't afford it. The same can be said for all the other Arab nations in the region too. US support for Israel is being stretched to the limit by the unprecedented extent of its barbarism, racism and flouting of international law, which could easily cost Biden the presidency. Biden is an effective domestic President, but when it comes to foreign affairs he's completely out of his depth.

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On the other hand, Russia was seeking closer ties with Israel. This wouldn't have been welcome news in Tehran or in Hamas' inner circles. It may be that both those leaderships decided to drive a wedge between Russia and Israel.

Also, rumour has it that Israel was planning to settle another million Jewish settlers in the West Bank. Hamas may have decided to give the Israeli government something else to focus on.

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Nov 1, 2023·edited Nov 1, 2023

So there's apparently nothing that connects Russia directly to the Hamas attack. Right? Hamas launched an attack that they've been planning for a long time. Right? There's still instability in Congress regarding the upcoming budget negotiations that can possibly lead to another government shutdown, and US funding for Ukraine is in jeopardy while Israel funding is likely. Right? And interrupting US funding for Ukraine will serve Moscow's interest. Right? And for some reason, better relations with Israel still serves Moscow's interest. Right? So how would the attack have any impact on Moscow's diplomatic effort with Israel when Moscow is apparently not involved? Now, Moscow could even - disingenuously - offer their help as a peace broker.

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DZK, - Yes, and Russia i the UN Security Council presented a plan that included a ceasefire, and this was voted down by the U.S. and UK! So, Russia's standing among the Palestinians and Arab states and Iran will now have improved a good deal.

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Indeed. Now Moscow is a peace broker. In case you didn't see my response above:

Check this comment out, toward the end at the 13 min 30 sec mark. Sound familiar?

https://youtu.be/lkyaJPCV0bE?si=UbZFEcqrlR016ixS

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DZK, keep your eye on Russia's next move. If Israel ever had any illusion regarding Russia, that ship has sailed.

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Nov 3, 2023·edited Nov 3, 2023

Check this comment out, toward the end at the 13 min 30 sec mark. Sound familiar?

https://youtu.be/lkyaJPCV0bE?si=UbZFEcqrlR016ixS

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Since Moscow isn't >apparently< involved, they could conceivably continue on their diplomatic track with Israel and even cynically offer to help out as a peace broker.

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DZK< - Well, Russia is now off-track diplomatically with Israel. And yes, Russia is in a position to offer themselves as peace negotiators. However, given Jordan's prominence on the UN Security Council, it seems more likely that Jordan will be accepted by both sides as a negotiator. The U.S. and UK certainly won't be.

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My mind can’t wrap around that but plausible I guess. Needs mutual goals. Maybe causing us trouble is enough, taking us down.

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Oct 31, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

Understandable. Particularly if you're seeing it from a more personally relevant perspective. Let me hasten to add, it's what I >suspect< and not a statement of fact. If you understand it as that, a suspicion, a speculation, you may get exactly what I mean by saying it. Thanks for your effort in the first place, my friend.

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I would like our country to understand that our unconditional support of Israel is not helping Israel nor us. Too much of our support has been for internal politics. This weakens us in the Middle East.

I like Blinken a lot, but he disappoints me now.

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Oct 31, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

That I consider what you say is true is reflected in an earlier comment I made in this discussion concerning the religious right. As an Israeli or even as a US citizen of domestic, secular Jewish heritage, you have every right to distrust them. What they support in Israel is in support of their apocalyptic vision of Megiddo - aka Armageddon - which ushers in the final destruction of Israel and the return of their mythical savior. From >my< perspective, it's a "give 'em enough rope to hang 'emselves with" approach. Not the kind of ally >I'd< trust.

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Oct 31, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

I’m an American as I presume you are. ? Support was principled to begin. Now it sounds principled but I think it’s entrenched and politically expedient. It will start to hurt more I think.

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Oct 31, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

Our aid to Ukraine is conditional. Our aid to Israel should be conditional.

What you say about Hamas coordinating with Moscow and Tehran etc is yet to be proven.

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Oct 31, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

I agree with all of that concerning foreign aid. As for the rest, in the previous discussion I mention, I tried to make it clear that I >suspect< a connection, and suspicion does not equate to proof, although another contributor here provided a link he seems to believe supports what I suspect: https://apnews.com/article/russia-iran-hamas-israel-palestine-9b57f4322f57f3a6ff33e2908cb2a3ef

And AP is a pretty reliable source.

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The article is about power brokering... talking, not about being responsible indirectly for the attack. I agree AP is pretty reliable. What is not reliable is how people read these stories and then take off.

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True enough, but they >are< connected. That's what power brokering >is.< But read it as you see fit.

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Ham'as--

Donald Hodgins <silencenotbad@gmail.com>

10:17 AM (0 minutes ago)

What really happened on 10/7 of this year in Israel? Aside from the obvious carnage and the suffering what actually took place in that country? The Yom Kippur War of 1973 had an anniversary on the date in question along with it being a Jewish holiday that was celebrating the Festival of Sukkot. Things were so in line for an attack by Ham'as that a clone of Helen Keller could have seen the impending danger the stars were projecting. What if the intelligent forces inside of Israel knew fully well of a possible attack by Ham'as and did nothing to prevent it? Israel has been plagued by the terrorist efforts of this extremist group for decades. Knowing this, Israel's hands have been tied because of public opinion. The army failed to show up and come to the aid of the Israeli citizens being attacked by ham'as for hours, which is suspect. It is almost as if Netanyahu wanted the attack to continue giving his military the excuse he wanted in order to destroy Ham'as. Public opinion was now on his side. I understand it's a sick thought but that war involves people that aren't us and they don't share our thoughts on what is right and what is wrong. Netanyahu shows no signs of relenting in his attack on Ham'as and the suffering caused to the Palestine people for all intense purposes will continue unabated. Beware of a free man! Netanyahu offered the bait and Ham'as took it. The hook has been set and now the fight is on.

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Donald, what you say is only partially true IMO. Jewish values are preached throughout the torah. Not nearly as much in the New testament, which is based on the old one and certainly not by the Muslims who worship the dead more than preserving those that are alive. They believe in Martyrdom. Jews have been persecuted by Christians for centuries, because they would not accept their savior Jesus Christ, a Jew. You'd have to be blind not to see the difference in Jewish values represented by Jews who are in Congress and the values of Christians or Muslims. I refer you to a comparison of values by leading Jewish, Christian, and Muslim Congress persons in the forefront of the current debate that involves keeping our democracy. Jamie Raskin, Adam Schiff, Daniel Goldman, Richard Blumenthal, Bernie Sanders, vs. McConnell, Cheney, tRump, Kevin McCarthy, MTG, Mike Johnson, AOC, Ilan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Matt Gaetz.

Netanyahu has a lot more in common with Bush-2 than you may think. Both involve hubris. Both Bush 2 and Netanyahu were warned by their Intelligence officers that an attack was imminent. Bush-2 wanted to take advantage of all the political capital he thought his father squandered. He became a war time President being AWOL during 911. He was found in Florida reading "My Pet Goat" to a group of elementary school students. His actions resulted in the Iraq war. Netanyahu was AWOL because he believed Hamas was more bark than bite. He needed a Get-Out-of Jail Free card, and he thought the short lived skirmish would distract the public from his corruption. However, he and his right wing coalition are on their way out of power IMO. Thousands of Israelis have been protesting against him and his right wing coalition for 6 months. That's equal to millions of Americans. If the U.S. Congress had enabled the same devotion to Jewish values, a devotion to equality, honesty, and an adherence to the law, we wouldn't have had tRump as President or Mike Johnson as Speaker of the House.

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Oct 31, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

An interesting take, consistent with other comments I've seen. I'll not argue against it, except to say that when given a choice between whether Netanyahu intended such a slaughter of Israeli citizens - not so innocent, since as I understand it, they chose to settle contested real estate - or being simply a self-serving moron, not really concerned with his people's well-being, I'll choose the latter option >every time.< Face it. Had he been concerned with the well-being of Israeli citizenry, he wouldn't have permitted settlement of contested real estate in the first place, opting for defensive emplacements instead, if anything. No. Netanyahu is a moron and he failed to pay attention to any intelligence warnings he may have received - sort of like the way I compare it to the attack on Pearl Harbor in a response elsewhere, although the Pearl Harbor failure may have had more mitigation. It was early radar, and it >could< have just been a goddam flock of birds!

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DZK - I don't think Netanyahu is a moron, at all - except a moral moron. By not annexing the West Bank but instead making into an Occupied Territory, he can expand Israel in terms of land available for Jewish settlement without having to grant the Palestinians there any voting rights. It's rather clever. He MAY choose to do the same with the northern Gaza Strip - occupy but not annex it.

The U.S. has done something similar by establishing numerous 'U. S. Territories' - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_States

So, as I understand it, American Samoa for example, is not annexed by the U.S.; it is just an occupied territory without full representation and voting rights in the U.S. Congress.

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Oct 31, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

Clever if it works. Now what leads you to believe that policy is working? Personally, I see no such evidence - only an increasing number of people who wish to dedicate themselves to Israel's destruction, and of course the Israeli citizens who are out in the street protesting the policy generally, and the war in particular, and who know that what I see is true enough.

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DZK, - Well, the occupation of the West Bank by Israel is in the process of working - for Israel. And it has worked well for the U.S. in the Pacific; the U.S. now has a number of forward observation posts and potential military bases to serve the U.S. logistics if they should choose to go to war with China.

Israel's government doesn't care about pro-Palestinian protests, either on the streets or the votes against it in the U.N. General Assembly - as long as they control the military situation - which they do, despite the brief Hamas incursion on 7 October 2023.

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DZK--I see your point. In war you have to analyze every and all aspects of your opponent's movements in an attempt to understand his thinking and stay one step of him. Netanyahu might have viewed the possible deaths in the attack as causalities of war and accepted that mind set. Its just a thought that has enough possibility that it should be considered.

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Oct 31, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

As I said, I'll not argue to the contrary. He could be such a moron that he decided to allow such a thing to happen. But that kind of thinking would be more in line with the kind of thinking you'd find in Tehran, for whom the "collateral" casualties would be holy martyrs who go directly to some fever-dream paradise - particularly if it's not >their< citizenry becoming the collateral casualties. Last I heard, that's not something Judaism generally embraces - if we go the religious belief route.

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They don't give a s**t about Palestinian casuallties,deaths destruction. Judaism is about survival and then you can rationalize from there.. an eye for an eye morphed into disproportionate response which is a crime against humanity.. but Israel, with our help and approval is exceptional. That is why maybe we at least are beginning to understand blowback, if Israelis do not. This may cost Biden and the country.

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DZK--I see your point and I have to agree.

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DZK, - [your pseudonym reminds me of the DMZ between the two Vietnams, by the way!]

- Anyway, it seems to me that the war in Ukraine is going nowhere; it's at a stand-still. Both sides are wasting money and lives. The only people making money is the military-industral complex.

So what is the conflict really about? It is about Russia's strategic security concerns. During the Boris Yeltsin era NATO decided to break their promise to Gorbachev and expand NATO by including the previous Warsaw Pact countries. This move - during the 1990s - brought NATO right up to Russia's porch (as Putin put it in one of his speeches). Now, this would concern any Russian leader, not just 'wicked Vlad Putin'. Kennedy was concerned when Russia placed intermediate range missiles in Cuba in 1962, and we all went through the Cuban missile crisis. The problem back then (for the U.S. - not just Kennedy) and the problem now (for Russia) is the insufficient warning time provided to activate the anti-missile system to protect cities like Moscow and Petersburg and strategic targets elsewhere in European Russia.

Putin has pointed this out to NATO time and time again, but NATO has refused to engage. OK, so there are no nuclear NATO missiles on Russia's doorstep at the moment, but the Russians obviously have to look ahead into an unknown strategic future. To understand this, we have to (1) think like global strategists, and (2) have the ability to put ourselves in Russia's shoes - empathise with them - which we can, because the U.S. was here once, in 1962, and Kennedy's 'quarantine' brought us to the brink of nuclear war; that's how serious it was (I was 20 back then).

The war in Ukraine was triggered by NATO's talk of eventually making Ukraine a NATO member. Right on Russia's southern borders. Putin appealed to NATO for strategic talks - for a negotiated agreement. His pleas fell on deaf ears; NATO wasn't interested. So, that's when the 'special military operation' started. NATO is part-responsible. It's substantive negotiations or war, isn't it, when we are talking about two superpowers?

If the stalemate continues, negotiations will be the only solution - the only way to peace for the Ukrainians and peace of mind for the rest of us. And a deal about Ukraine must, in Russia's situation, also include a deal about the asymmetrical and unsustainable strategic situation on Russia's European borders. So, Ukraine is only a part of a strategic dilemma for Russia, that NATO has will need to help solve. In a conventional war, Russia has one clear advantage: relatively short supply lines; the U.S. have long supply lines, and the U.S. is the main weapons systems supplier, by far. And by destroying the Baltic Sea pipelines to Germany, the U.S. long-term standing in Europe is questionable: Biden's decision was an example of very poor judgement. Europe will not forget U.S.'s industrial and trade sabotage in 2023, ever.

So yes, negotiations will happen eventually, and it won't be about Ukraine only - and the occupied lands there. I predict that Putin will eventually propose that he will relinquish all occupied land (except Crimea) if NATO agrees to demilitarise its Eastern European member states and put Swedish membership on permanent hold. Putin may even agree to hand Crimea back to Ukraine; its Black Sea fleet is not safe from enemy missiles, so what's the point of a naval base so close to NATO territory?

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Putin Was Never So Upset: USA Parking Missiles At Our Doorstep! Beware Of The Anger Of Patient Man! - YouTube – 13 Feb 2022 –

Russia Insight - Russian President Vladimir Putin: USA is standing with missiles on our doorstep. How would the Americans react if missiles were placed at the border with Canada or Mexico?

100 Seconds to Midnight on the Doomsday Clock: We Need a New Security Architecture! - YouTube – 19 Feb 2022 –

Schiller Institute - Sign up with the Schiller Institute https://bit.ly/join-si - The Schiller Institute will hold an international online conference on Saturday, February 19 to reassert the very sane declaration, “A nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought," by the five nuclear powers and permanent members of the UN Security Council, which they affirmed in a joint statement on Jan. 3 of this year. The conference will also present a {solution} to the current crisis: the establishment of a new security architecture that guarantees all nations the right to security, and to economic and cultural development. To do that, a dialogue about the causes and the cures of the current crisis is urgent.

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Oct 31, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

Let me begin by stating I've >known< ever since, that the US sacrificed forever any diplomatic moral high-ground position it could ever possibly take, on any unwarrented invasion, by any country in the world, of another country the day GWB hustled the US into invading Iraq with his transparently false assertion of WMD's, that he claimed Saddam would supply to terrorists - who, by the way, >actively< fought campaigns against for his own political reasons - that he delivered in public statements in the way he might tell children a ghost story, complete with the "woo woo" facial gestures involved with telling children a ghost story. Go back and look at a video of one of GWB's speeches about Iraq and WMDs and see for yourself. To me, it was >immediately< obvious he was lying when I saw him deliver those speeches >at that time.< I called him a liar then, and history is calling him a liar now.

Now, from my perspective, nothing in Ukraine came to pass until "The Revolution of Dignity" in 2013: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity

I'll simply provide the link rather than take up space regurgitating it.

I've recently come across a report that the CIA is now claiming to have had a hand in those festivities in the "undemocratic overthrow" of Yanukovich. Perhaps. For me, the part about "a return to the 2004 Constitution of Ukraine" raises more questions than answers about how "undemocratic" the overthrow really was. Yanukovich was clearly Moscow aligned, while enough of the country to mount said overthrow feared Russia and was EU aligned. There's the rub I'll get to in a moment.

However, CIA involvement in overthrow of Iran's democracy in the '50s and installing Palavi is well documented: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

For me, Iran's animus is understandable. It's one of those "miscalculations" I fear and warn of in other discussions - a US miscalculation. That's why I have no doubt the CIA was in some way involved with the Yanukovich ouster. But keep in mind, the CIA typically recruits agents from the population in which they operate, rather than perpetrate anything themselves. Active involvement is a drop-dead final option for them.

You seem to have laid out the perspective of Russia as it faces the US quite well. What if that's not altogether true. NATO consists mostly of EU states fronting on the Russian frontier, because to the EU, Russian nukes on their borders are even scarier to them than Soviet nukes in the Carribean were to the US. It's the EU that has a far greater security concern, with respect to Moscow, than does the US, and the US is an EU ally and member of NATO. So before you assert that the Ukraine conflict is all on US bloody hands, consider that the EU is far more vulnerable to the kind of aggression Moscow has displayed in several other theaters since the fall of the Berlin wall. Notice, there was no US or NATO response to those conflicts, other than - perhaps - to say to Moscow: "you hadn't ought ta'do that."

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DZK, - Thank you for your considered reply. First, about Yanukovich. At first, he seemed to be in favour of Ukraine applying for EU membership. He then reneged - maybe persuaded? - to keep the close ties with Moscow; and this change of mind brought the Colour Revolution onto the streets in late 2013 and very early 2014. So, I'm not sure that it's accurate to say that Yanukovich was "Moscow aligned". But since about 2008, Ukraine had become sharply divided between pro-Moscow and pro-Washington voters and politicians. It had to do with ethnic origins, but it also had to do with western Ukraine having most of the heavy industry and traditionally supplying the Soviet Union/Russia with iron and steel, and this formed an important part of Ukraine's national income. Yanukovich, as I understand it, wanted his cake and eat it, too. He he wanted EU membership but also keep Russia as an important trade partner. For some reason, it didn't work for him, not in 2014.

The other thing is that the Colour Revolution started off as a peaceful set of large and ongoing demonstrations. I think that it was in early February 2014 that masked and hooded men dressed in black took over and turned the thing into a violent confrontation between them and the police. People got killed on both sides. And towards the end of February the 'hoods' staged a coup, and some ultra-nationalists became leaders of a new government in Kiev. They turned out to be anti-Russian. Protests then erupted in the Donbass region, staged by Russian-speaking crowds - mostly pro-Russia and/or dependent for their livelihood on good relations with Russia - and some local government buildings were invaded. The West now call them 'the rebels', but they were Ukrainian (or dual) citizens and saw themselves as Ukrainians.

The new Kiev government then sent - not negotiators - but the Army to 'crush' the 'rebels'. That was in early March. The 'rebels' quickly raised a ragtag army of their own, and the civil war started. Putin's first move was to annex Crimea; later, he sent his 'green men' into the Donbass to reorganise and support the armed resistance to the Ukrainian Army. NATO now say that the armed resistance was Moscow-directed; I agree that it certainly became so (with a Russian commander leading them), but I don't think it was so to start with.

I agree that the EU could be seen as more vulnerable to Russian aggression than does the U.S. However, the anti-Russian sentiment is more strongly felt in the former Warsaw Pact countries. Germany under Merkel was keen to forge trade ties with Russia, as evidenced by the building of the underwater pipelines from Russia to Germany - the ones that the U.S. sabotaged earlier this year, allegedly with the help of Norwegian divers. So, all I will say is that Europe was divided about their stance towards Russia - until Putin's 'special military operations' against Ukraine began.

On the whole, I support the idea of buffer states that are recognised by both sides as non-aligned. It makes for strategic stability. I don't hold any strong animus against NATO; I simply think that recruiting members so close to the Russian borders made the strategic situation in Europe unstable. That's my concern.

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Point taken.

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We already give Israel 10 million dollars a day, that's why they're a wealthy country!

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Oct 30, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

Yet, the Яepuблиkan$ and religious fundamentalist nut-jobs are committed to unconditionally supporting Israel and bugger the cost. It's much like their unconditional support for ol' P01135809 - apparently their "messiah." The Israeli should understand that the US religious fundamentalist nut-jobs are >not< - in fact - their allies. In that twisted fundamentalist reality, they hunger for apocalyptic biblical prophecy coming to pass, which involves the final destruction of Israel and the return of their savior - and they'll do anything and support anybody likely to help that vision come to pass. And remember, those nut-jobs don't believe in separation of church and state.

For my part, although I've been mighty impatient with Israel for a long, long time - although I could say that in equal measure about the US, as well - but the only thing I can say for sure is that I'm against Hamas. I wish Israel the best of luck ferreting out the Hamas cells, but they should keep a close eye on their alleged friends, who - by my last reckoning - seem to welcome those committed to their destruction - i.e. KKK & Nazis - into their community. Why should I even need to belabor the obvious for them ‽

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DZK, let me put your mind at rest. Israel has no illusions about the rethuglican party. They know that the white supremacists and Christian fundamentalists that hold sway over the party would throw Israel under the bus the first chance they got. Thousands of Israelis equal to millions of Americans have been demonstrating in the streets for the past 6 months against Netanyahu's Overhaul of the Judiciary, Israel's constitution and his right wing coalition. In addition, I repeat Netanyahu IMO is on his way out the door. He like Bush-2 were AWOL during the 10/7 attack and 911. Both suffer from hubris. Netanyahu thought Hamas's bark was bigger than its bite. He didn't count on a full scale war, and Bush-2 counted on becoming a war time President listing him in the annals of history along with Washington and Lincoln. Netanyahu needed a get out of jail free card for his past corruption. Where I'd like to push back on some of your comments are these. "Israel has been living on occupied land and went too far." That I believe is not accurate. What do you think would happen to the American Indian if they reneged on the so called reservation agreements they were forced to sign? Israel has no trust in the agreements past and present that all of the allied powers have signed. They have reneged on all of them. Wars fought and won by Israel are thrown into the dustbin of history. Just because the UN, that has a majority of countries that are Islamic says it's occupied doesn't mean that it's so. Legally, Israel has every right to occupy the land it is presently on. If the US can't count on any agreements they enter nationally or internationally, democracy goes out the window and yet many rail against Kevin McCarthy on this thread for reneging on his agreement with Biden, but they apply a different standard when it comes to Israel. Then suddenly, "but the poor Palestinians" who rejected every compromise for a two state solution that was proposed to them by four American Presidents. Iran does not want Israel as its neighbor and the Palestinians, the bleeding hearts profess to care about, are considered casualties of war to be sacrificed. In Iran's misbegotten belief, they would be better off if they could just eliminate Israel who festers as a thorn in their side. Israel isn't willing to be sacrificed on Iran's wet dream.

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Nov 4, 2023·edited Nov 4, 2023

My bad about the settlers. I wasn't denying Israel's right to settle that area. I was just thinking of it as a strategic matter, considering having folks live on that frontier >extremely< risky. Recall, I mention having defensive emplacements there, instead. Sorry if I gave a wrong impression of what I meant.

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Good to know DZK is the Einstein here.

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Oct 31, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

It don't take Einstein to figure >that< out! But thanks - I think!

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Do you really think we would not be paid back?

Antisemitism is alive and well here.

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Paid back by who. I'm not against the Israeli citizens but the government is awful.

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Jan, every Israeli gov't? You mean the ones that allowed Arabs to make up 20% of its population or do you mean the ones that allowed the Raam party led by Monsour Abbas , member of the brotherhood to be represented in the Knesset? Perhaps, you mean the thousands of Arab Israelis that graduated from Hebrew University like Monsour Abbas and became doctors, lawyers, educators, and scientists?

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I can't get to my original comment but I did wonder about the 20% Arab being allowed in Israel. You do realize the land Israel is on was already populated by Arabs before anyone else got there.

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Why does the USA have money for violence and wars but never for free college and universal health care and to solve the homelessness in the USA- the USA’s annual installment of $3billion to Israel with our tax payer money could have solve a lot of our problems here instead of aiding a genocide

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Yah, i was wondering if Putin was behind the Hamas attack.

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Perfect comparison with the Shooting pool shot with an indirect Tehran effect . Yes by backing off Israel would ultimately support Moscow . Finding a way to push forward with sending Aid...send Moscow a message that Democracy must win!!

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Thank you, Robert. I have addressed a comment, not this one, to Señor Robert.

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I have deleted that comment to you.

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Sorry Robert, I meant to address it to Jan Cloward. My mistake.

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I'm beginning to wonder why so Many could not and cannot see Authoritarianism moves in THIS country!

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The '4th estate' is failing US.

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Please, please be more specific. How is it failing, Laurie? Many, many reporters are being killed in Gaza reporting the events; or prevented from getting inside Gaza to verify the true events. Everything from official spokesmen appear to reflect their own interest and or is 'hearsay'. eg. "We can't be accurate on the number of children killed by bombing". Reporters themselves are NOT failing.

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I think Ms. Blair may mean the reporting on the domestic front--the wholly inadequate representations of Biden's impressive accomplishments and the unwarranted focus on Biden's age but not on Trump's where there is only three years difference...and other 'small' matters.

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As reporting from Gaza comes from Hamas, who knows what is accurate?

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It doesn't actually - it comes from journalists trapped there, and from various neutral agencies like the UN and WHO.

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Tim, Neutral? The UN is made up of 195 countries. Fifty-six of them have an Islamic majority. Do you really believe the UN has been neutral in their assessment of Israel?

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apparently someone needs to write up the myriad ways the media has failed our country. Oh here is one now https://hbr.org/2017/01/the-u-s-medias-problems-are-much-bigger-than-fake-news-and-filter-bubbles

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BS! News, of all kinds, is of the utmost importance to a free society!

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Oct 30, 2023·edited Oct 30, 2023

@ Ms. Blair: THIS^^^^^^^!!!!!!

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Because they don't know the difference between being represented rather than ruled. When the rules and laws don't reflect the opinions of the people, they are being ruled by a politician or politicians who exercised their right to lie when they campaigned for office. Or the electorate is on autopilot and is allowing unknown groups to determine who makes the rules and laws we must live by. A small number of very loud people can take charge and get what they want. The only way to answer the noise is to make some of you own. But that means you can't hide behind distractions that occupy time but do little to improve your life. A democracy requires the entire electorate to have agency and to be thoughtful.

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As a woman, I have been thinking about who exerts the power in our childhood and how we respond to that power. I can't speak for all women, only for myself, and I have no idea how men experience power in their childhoods. My parents dealt with me as a strange creature in their midsts and there was little attempt to alter my behavior or beliefs by family. So, what I am about to say is more observation than experience.

Many women choose to accept the direction that the men in their lives give. The image of a strong woman is often projected against the backdrop of a disfunctional male, whether father or husband. The drunk. The absent. The lazy. The violent. Rarely against a backdrop of a successful fairytale marriage like the one recently portrayed by the Romney's.

Eleanor Roosevelt is not seen as the focus of FDR's private male desire despite the many children she bore. She is seen as a political partner who offers candid advice. Hillary Clinton, who famously intimated she wasn't a Tammy Wynette caricature, actually did stand by her man until he publicly told the truth. But that break was not permanent.Their relationship is as complex as the Roosevelt's. Neither of these men are considered historically as disfunctional but their relationship to women is. The women in their lives are more or less mute on their relationship to their husbands. You almost want to hear one of them say, "Sometimes they make me so mad, I could just scream and at other times they speak so deeply to my heart I can't catch my breath."

Donald Trump is definitely disfunctional with respect to women. Yet, his disfunction and disrespect towards women are accepted by men as normal and expected and he's revered by some women. The patterns of the behavior of these women are to align themselves with strong men and to never publicly question them. They know where their bread is buttered. All failures are forgiven even unto physical, sexual, or mental violence towards themselves and their children. If course, not all women in these types of relationships willingly remain. But women must address this issue in how we raise our children and the qualities we accept in our partners. Men must also accept their responsibility in the way our children are raised.

Part of the problem is religious doctrine that places women in a subordinate role to men. Part of the problem has been the use of our children to solidify power alliances. Is marriage about power? If power is equally shared, then both partners must give way at different times in a two vote system. Is the relationship between men, women, and power the source of our division?

I'd like to hear what you all think, both men and women. Do you stand together as equals or is there a subordinate relationship that always must yield?

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Much depends Paula on the generation you're referring to. For thousands of years, we thought we were living under a male dominated society. Might made right. In Greek mythology we learned during the 5th Century BC, Zeus ruled the universe. His wife Hera took 2nd place in the relationship. His male children ruled their sphere of influence. Athens kings were all men in Greek Mythology. Agamemnon ruled Athens. Priam was king of Troy. Hector, son of Priam ruled Sparta. Women were admired for their beauty like Helen of Troy. During the Minoan civilization, Robert Graves said the world was ruled by a matriarchal system. Today's anthropologists believe that matriarchal societies existed in certain areas of the world alongside patriarchal societies in other parts of the world.

"For example, there were four major matriarchal societies that existed in the African nation of Kush, the Sitones, a 1st C Germanic tribe, the Mosuo, a small Chinese tribe, and the Hopi, a native American tribe. " Elizabeth London-American History

"Today, the women's movement has attached itself to the goddess movement, claiming women's autonomy over their bodies. For example, they claim women's bodies have been oppressed and fetishized by religious groups, which has played a role in violence against women." Wikipedia

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I am a daughter of Eve. However, I will not be held responsible for her choices. Submission to the male as default is no longer acceptable. The fact that Justice Barrett brought up in the recent Supreme Court case considering removing access to guns from offenders of domestic violence, based on the previous NY case that changed the tests for constitutionality would fail because of the lack of a long history points out that even in the 1960s beating your wife was considered acceptable. This is the boldest statement of what is wrong with the Roberts Court.

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Well said! I might add the small group of people are not only loud. They are funded by billionaires that are shielded by Citizen's United.

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Too many "representatives' on the take

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End Citizens United

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There is a common thread running through the world today and that is the resurgence of the threat of fascism. We see a rise of the hard right in Europe in response to the continuing migrant crisis and Putin's invasion of Ukraine signals the rise of a new brand of Slavic fascism where the Russians "purify" eastern Europe from the immoral contagion of liberal European ideas.

Islamic fascism spread from Egypt morphing into ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, and others. Hamas wants a "final solution" in Israel and is willing to martyr themselves in a baptism of blood preferring to die rather than to live peaceably with infidel Jews. Their sacrifice will be an example to faltering Muslims considering impure relations with Israel and the West in general.

Fascism comes in a variety of flavors and Islamofacism is at the top of the news cycle today. But, it is important that this fascist contagion is wide spread and feeding on the chaos of each other's actions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

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Fascism is simple; democracy is complex. That’s why simple-minded people prefer fascism.

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A more pessimistic take: many see it and it's what they want. They won't say that and probably many don't conceptualize how their support is tantamount to support of authoritarianism. They are just supporting from their gut. Or their pocketbook as they see it. But you're right. Big corporate donors just have a failure of imagination where short term profits are concerned. "It can't happen here" mentality.

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We here in the U.S. feel safe; we don't seem to recognize real danger even when it surfaces. Violence is mixed up with the fiction that has prevailed: in movies, videos, TV programs, computer games and (real) killings reported routinely "somewhere else"; blatant dishonesty in our governments both local, state and federal. Wars are happening in other places but not here. ?? With this constant and not so subtle erosion, how safe will we be?

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and the good guys (that's us of course) always win

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Suzanna Young you have said a mouthful in a simple short sentence

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Malcolm Nance always hits the nail on the head. I have another question to all who condemn Hamas, but are Jonny on the spot to condemn Israel's response. What would America do if 50,000 of her brothers, sisters, neighbors were murdered in cold blood by a terrorist org. , funded by Iran?

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When I saw that MAGAt Mike Johnson was elected Speaker of the House, I saw the hand of tRUMP reaching over his shoulder, pounding the gavel, ruling as to whether an issue or bill would be brought forth for discussion; be it the budget or allowing the government to default & shut down in 3 weeks, or debate gun control, abortion rights, immigration

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Oct 30, 2023·edited Nov 1, 2023

Susan: tfg's hand has been running the former republican party from the back seat for awhile.. Sadly, he had had help from Russians ,too.. Death threats to anyone opposing him. And even election workers! We need justice! Let's see what the challenge of tfg's legitimacy does in Colorado today! He is disqualified for office. Let's see if our justice system works 💪 Update! ; on Joy Reid tonight she covered the Colorado court challenge of keeping tfg off the ballot. She had Jamie Raskin and Professor Lawrence Tribe on and they nailed it! this is Tuesday, 10/31. Worth watching!

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When asked about his worldview, Mike Johnson referenced the Bible. As we all know the Bible is a mish-mash of ideas, poetry, history, and fantastical predictions about the future (Book of Revelations). In other words, it’s a grab-bag onto which anyone can cast their own interpretation. Those predisposed to ideology and the destruction which that always entails (“the 2020 election was stolen”) now rule the US House of Representatives. Seems to me that Jesus really isn’t in charge of history.

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Keith, excellent summary of what is going on now with the Republican Party. I am guessing courage is not lurking in the Republican caucuses anywhere in the country. I see it as treason that a candidate like Johnson takes money from a foreign government, particularly one that regularly interferes in our elections. Russia has bought Trump which is not hard since he no longer can distinguish between what is right and wrong, if he ever could, and just wants money and power. His followers are OK with that because if they just do whatever they imagine he says, they don't have to think. I heard a guy commenting on NPR this morning who just loves Trump and said he would write in Trump's name even if he were refused the right to be on the ballot. Yep, he would vote for a criminal who can no longer think clearly because he is just so enamored with Trump, a toddler who has nothing positive to offer anyone. Trump has a lot of negatives from his memory banks, but he needs his "team" to feed him any new lines because he just can't remember what to say. Then there's Johnson, a racist, misogynist, homo/transphobe, xenophobe, Christian nationalist who does his little acting routine of "Southern gentleman" which lets him get away with a lot, even possible treason accepting money from a foreign government. How is it every single House Republican voted for such a despicable person? Maybe they were frustrated, and accepted whoever was shoved in their faces, most didn't even know who he was, but they voted for him anyway. Disgusting!

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You asked, “What changed?” When Ronald Reagan said, “The government IS the problem.” Republicans and half the American people bought it, and the “right” have been wrong ever since, slowly decaying the political system.

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We can't risk or afford the frightening consequences of another Trump presidency. When it was announced that he won the election in 2016, there was a big reason why the Kremlin cheered. They got their treasonous, highly manipulative puppet that they have always wanted. The only reason felonious Trump wants back into to the Oval Office is to attempt to stay out of prison and get revenge on those who went after him. Four more years of his autocratic insanity would severely weaken NATO, Ukraine, Israel and create more problems throughout the free world.

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Oct 30, 2023·edited Oct 30, 2023

Now that I've got info on the Hamas defense strategy, I have a better idea of what Israel must deal with. >Disregard everything< I previously said about mounting a massive strike on Tehran. A strike on Tehran would serve no useful purpose because Israel is pinned. I'm now persuaded that Israel has no choice but to invade. Hamas seems to have learned an important lesson from Vietnam - that was a bugger-all for the US forces.

It seems that Hamas has been busy building an extensive spider web network of multi-level tunnels, where critical operations, like HQ, ammo dumps, command posts, barracks, etc. are all built >under< facilities like hospitals, schools, etc. They also tap into the utilities of the facilities they're built under to divert power, water, and anything else they need to operate. This goes far beyond simply holding naked civilians captive as human shields. Even if Israel bombs the facilities, it will have little impact on the fortifications built beneath them. In fact, the facilities above them act as further physical fortification for what lies below, even if blown to rubble. The rubble will perhaps serve even better as fortification from bomb & missile attacks, because rubble will disperse the strength of an explosion even better.

That means the invasion force must locate and crack the underground facilities. At that, the facilities are apparently just wide enough for single-file passage. That's a lesson from Thermopylae, where 300 Greeks stood off against thousands of Persians. Further, they have to be on the lookout for "hidey holes" or "kill chambers" from which they can be ambushed. Add to that, they'll have to find access to and repeat the same operation on multiple levels. I'll wager they'll be forced to do all that using night-vision headgear, as well - just to make it even more difficult.

I doubt any of that will be accomplished very soon. Even if Israel were to court the notion of a Tehran strike, they'll have to ferret out the Hamas defenses prior to such a campaign, in order to secure their rear. Israel will get full US support, while the EU better consider upping their game with Ukraine for the sake of EU security. I'm in no way sanguine about US support for Ukraine. Worse, it appears Turkey is making noise about getting into the Gaza conflict. If they do, they may well be sacrificing accession into the EU - just when it seemed the issue of Kurds in - was it - Sweden seemed to be ironed out. In my view, the state of foreign diplomacy has officially become a friggin' mess! The attack on Israel truly served both Moscow and Tehran, and no, I don't think Putin had any more hand in it than asking help from his ally, Tehran. Israel must >completely< destroy an extensive, multi-level underground fortification. They'll >always< be vulnerable to such strikes if they don't.

To say this is the result of a massive intelligence failure doesn't even begin to describe what has come to pass in Israel.

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Hamas has been planning this attack for decades. Their tunnel system alone! There are many news drops that Bibi new it up to 10 days before. What do you think?

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Oct 31, 2023·edited Oct 31, 2023

I have no doubt about anything on that score, except to say I haven't seen any documented evidence on it. From my perspective, it's hearsay, although what isn't hearsay is that Netanyahu is a convict, and it astonishes me that he wins elections regardless - not unlike, but far more effective than his spiritual disciple, ol' P01135809. I'm inclined to believe it was a bit like the attack on Pearl Harbor back in the '40s. Fleet HQ had reports of an approaching arial formation from its radar outposts sufficiently early to prepare for an attack but blew it off as a probable false alarm - a flock of birds, I believe - and continued on with their Sunday morning routines. The rest is history.

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Inhabitants of the Warsaw Ghetto also dug tunnels and hideaways to escape the round-ups of the SS. Irony, anyone?

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Ironic as far as it goes. The distinction is deadly serious. In Warsaw, the tunnels were used as a primarily defensive measure, to hide a mostly unarmed civilian population. Gaza flips that on it's head, using tunnels as a primary assault weapon/fortification, while the mostly unarmed civilians - protected in Warsaw - get to bleed all over them instead.

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Yes, that’s true. How about the tunnels of the Viet Minh?

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Don't get me started! The big difference is that Viet Minh/Viet Kong tunnels were mostly under barely inhabitable jungles - which was most of the country. That's why all the Agent Orange and Napalm. Historically, using those tactics they even managed to throw the Chinese out, although they were uneasy allies against the US. Gaza is mostly a short, narrow, densely populated piece of real-estate. I'm thinkin' the Kong tunnels might have been more effective, relying heavily on natural cover. They were also more ad-hoc. On the other hand, the Hamas tunnels seem to have been heavily engineered. Their main weakness seems to be that you can probably bet some critical target lies beneath some critical civilian architecture. That's where the Kong tunnels would've been more effective. Critical outposts could be anywhere in the jungle. But what do I know? I'm just speculating. I'm just some guy with a notion here. However, I'll just bet that if I'm wrong, I'm not too far wrong.

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Thanks for your thoughtful speculations. As you might have gathered, I’m wearied by endless war in Palestine — like just about everyone else.

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DZK, I’ve been wondering how all those so called missiles from Iran were sneaked into Hamas territory without anybody, US INCLUDED, Intelligence folks not seeing it happen? Tunnel rats have aggravated every major war/conflict but they could level most all of It with Bunker Buster bombs like was used in Afghanistan. The problem is all those hospitals, doctors, staff & refugees who will not leave the area of North Gaza! They say Hamas is keeping them there as human shields! I believe all the Palestinians & HAMAS think they have checkmated Israel & that they will back down. I would not bet on that if I were them! Israel seems determined to rout the terrorists from the country Whatever the cost! But the US, Europe & the Arab countries keep pushing restraint on them & to minimize collateral damage! Does any other country @ war even give that a passing thought?? Don’t believe so, so why should Israel? Hubby & I r behind Israel & their challenge to kill all the Hamas terrorists! And then go after Hezbollah. How they will get to the Leaders hiding out in Quatar is anybody’s guess but seems like it would have to be some covert operation with Massad & their form of seals or rangers! U know they must have protection & security provided by the Qua tares so it wouldn’t be easy. I do hope they will be able to get rid of Netanyahu bec he’s too much like the tRumpster! They voted the corrupt bastard out of office but he just pushed his way back in saying they had some kind of agreement to work together! He must have more experience fighting the terrorists.

It’s such a mess like most wars are but I hope Israel gets the job done & rids the Middle East of more terrorists. That’s one mean group that can radicalize & recruit more terrorists without much effort so I don’t believe the World will ever be completing rid of them! Terrorists or fascists means the generals will never be without somebody to make war games over.

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What people must keep remembering is that the GOP is a fascist, authoritarian party fashioned on Russia. We don't have 2 democratic political parties. They must be voted out, all of them!

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...the GOP is a lying, cheating, traitorous herd of sheep .

Given that they invited the corrupt Kremlin friendly, autocrat, Viktor Orban, to speak at their CPAC conference in Dallas last year pretty much says it all.

As to the value of one's vote, in a number of states such as North Carolina, Wisconsin, Texas and others, it already means nothing with regards to Congressional and state legislative elections.

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Well surmised, but I don't think war and killing will solve anything except lead the world closer to nuclear annihilation. I would rather see the billions of dollars not wasted wasting lives, towns, infrastructure etc. The unchecked Capitalist system is eating its own citizens' tails. All the dictators (Putin, Trump, Jinping, Khamenei/Rashid, Fattah al-Sisi, John Un, to name a few) have one great fear and that is an educated democratic society. The military solution is being used whenever possible so that the very few (top 5%) will prosper economically. With war, there never is an easy solution to stop it, it's hard to put a flower down the barrel of a Merkava 4 tank or take a Dumb Bomb out of the sky with a rock. Fortunately or unfortunately, there won't be much of an uprising against the military industrial (money) machine unless the US starts the draft up again. But the military has been largely privatized and incentivized to those who often don't have another choice. In the meantime, we should use the greatest motivator of all free societies, a realistic path that empowers members society to work hard to have the opportunity to support themselves and their family without having to kill someone else or another person's family member to achieve that. There has to be the opportunity which is missing in most societies, certainly for the lower socioeconomic classes around the globe. There shouldn't be a scarcity of educating people, but that is how revolution gets suppressed, at least until the suppressed can't take it any longer.

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You're right! And this Gay Canadian Metis stands with you on that principle. Plus remember this, and keep it to your heart and thoughts 24/7:

IF THEY COME FOR YOU IN THE MORNING, THEY WILL COME FOR YOU IN THE NIGHT.

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Thank you. This Canadian Metis stands with you, and please keep this at heart, 24/7:

IF THEY COME FOR YOU IN THE MORNING, THEY WILL COME FOR YOU IN THE NIGHT.

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Mr. Reich’s analysis and this reply are right on! Thank you both for articulating. If only we could get this through the heads (and hearts) of the GOP and their supporters. I for one will be sharing this with people I know who are in that group.

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BUT if THEY get what THEY want... MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

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Let's see about that!

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> I think we should start calling them the Marshmallow Party! Or maybe the Domino Party in a perfect line behind the treasonous cult leader.

Maybe the Lemming Party?

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Trump is a LOSER. Say it often.

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Oct 30, 2023Liked by Robert Reich

There has been a dearth of clear thinking. Thank you for an intelligent response to this horrific tragedy

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I agree with you Liz, “There has been a dearth of clear thinking.” As with so many of the challenges facing us in the United States and challenges we see around the planet many of the most important decisions are based on emotions and narrow minded sentiments. I am among one of the hundreds of thousands influenced by clear thinkers and logic of those clear thinkers such as Heather Cox Richardson and Robert Reich. Our task (I am referring to readers and those influenced by such clear thinking devoid of negative sentiments) is to amplify and spread the clarity we are are privileged to receive from great humanitarian and compassionate thinkers.

Each of us have the capacity to become influencers and activists in our own lives and in our own circles. Many of us who participate in these blogs are of an older generation. that does not mean we cannot also be activists in our own unique manner. Although not always outwardly respected in a “youth minded” culture, we have 60, 70 and 80 years of accumulated experience and sharp minds. We have perspective and we have greater capacity to influence others than we give ourselves credit for. We can organize “Coffee Klatches” and gatherings among our own constituencies in our own communities.

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Many of the readers and participants in this forum, started their activism in the anti-war days of the 1960s and early 1970s which morphed into the “Ecology Movement.” Many of us still hold those same youthful ideals 50 years later. Technologically the world has changed but many of the issues have not and the struggle between emotionality (sentiment) and rationality is still the continuing challenge. In this country the struggle between those who believe that the purpose of government is to serve the wealthy and those who believe that government is to serve all the governed has been a part of the national debate from the very framing of the Constitution and has reemerged still very much in the forefront.

It is the ancient Greeks who created the word “apocalypse.” The Greek definition is “To uncover that which was previously hidden and would not be uncovered if not for an apocalypse generally leading to a revelation.”

If you discover that a physical cancer has emerged in your own body, the wise approach is to find all the places where it may be uncovered so the proper treatment can be given for a complete cure. Many cancers on our planetary society are being uncovered at once, so the challenges facing humanity can be properly treated by in a wholistic manner. The hidden disease is now emerging giving us the possibility to apply a lasting “cure.” Part of that cure is not just to read of the inspiring activism of others but to apply it in our own communities whether local or global. “Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can,” attributed to John Wesley 1703-1791, is still valid over 200 years later.

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Marc Nevas, your concluding quote is wonderful. It says to me love and compassion for yourself and others is your purpose on earth. Everyone in this sense can be a prophet, a sage, a wise elder. I agree with you. We hold more power and influence for good than we realize. It spreads out like a ripple on a pond.

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See what they do -- not listen to what they say. During the civil war, the Methodist, i.e. Wesley, church was at war with itself. What it needs is an epiphany and a return of the social gospel.

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Oct 30, 2023·edited Oct 30, 2023

Daniel Soloman, thanks your history lesson re Wesley. I agree and hope for a widening embrace of the social gospel. That has been the true fight throughout human history, within us and among us. The ego or the truth of our sacred human value being equal to others?

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thank you Marc. So well spoken. those were the days i had hope. now not so much.

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If you want to be an "influencer" channel Taylor Swift.

By next election 40% of the electorate will be young people who trend 70% Democratic....maybe higher. .

One Facebook friend tells me she has 14 grandchildren who are voting age that registered as Democrats and are would be influencers.

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While I applaud her ability to influence young voters, there is no need to “channel Taylor Swift”. Those of us who want a world where all people live together in peace and well-being need only listen respectfully and support our allies in unifying humanity with kindness.

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From a marketing aspect...I'm 79 never even heard her music. She registers Democrats better than anybody and that includes Biden, Obama or anyone else.

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It’s wonderful to see so many young people who are energized to vote. Now I just hope they do it.

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The music of Taylor Swift sounds exactly like the music of Alanis Morrissette from the 1990s. I’m glad that she’s progressive and influences people in the right way. But musically, there’s nothing new here.

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I don't know what action you are advocating with the words "channel Taylor Swift".

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Forward this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qRpDw3LZgM

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Thanks for clarifying that..fingers crossed Swift will make a positive Biden support when the time is right. Good to see her with friends and Kelce's mom at KC Chiefs games..showing once again that she's someone regular people can identify with. IMHO

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I could not agree more. If you engage with them, you feed them and give them exactly what they want. These are either hired trolls or lonely people desperate for attention.

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This morning’s troll has been deleted so I deleted my post that contain some of his abusive language. However, when another troll shows up, or the same one under a different name, be sure not to feed the troll, and they will go away.

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What is clear to me, and has been clear since 1967, is that the other Arab countries, all formerly at perpetual war with Israel, could end this in a minute.

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Daniel, the only country that can this is the US, and it going to take a lot longer than a minute.

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Saudis can declare that Israel exists. They hold the religious context. End of jihad.

Moslems pray to Mecca 5 times a day. Must make a haj.

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I don't think this has anything to do with religion, or that religion should have anything to do with it; this is political and always has been. Political problems call for political solutions, and I believe that's what the Rabin-Arafat talks would have done.

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Hamas makes it ALL about religion.

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They would love Israel to remove Hamas for them and allow them to continue their normalization of relations with Israel.

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Daniel Solomon ; Interesting statement, but how? Would it be 'ended' in a positive way?

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1. Save the innocents in Gaza. A peace force. Ask for a cease fire as long as the peace force is necessary.

2. Stop Hamas from restricting movement in Gaza. Accept refugees, if necessary.

3, Recognize the existence of Israel and negotiate a two state resolution.

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Why don't they do this? Is it because the Arab countries are dictatorships and fear an uprising by their people if attempted to do this?

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