Excellent analysis -- and YES, the Committee needs to make a recommendation to the DOJ that tRump and every member of his criminal gang be arrested, prosecuted and punished with jail sentences!!
Accusations are made that Republican senators conspired to impede Pence.
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
Didn't, something like 147 Republicans vote to decertify Biden's fully lawful election AFTER the insurrection? There are many seditionists/traitors to this country sitting in our Congress with no end in sight. Are we waiting for an election to throw out Cruz, Hawley and so many others?
I cannot believe Trump is so narcissistic that he would try to upend the results in Wisconsin even as the committee is uncovering massive amounts of evidence against him. That alone proves he’s guilty and megalomaniacal.
Wow! That was a terrific summary of why those Senators and representatives involved with the attempted coup need to be prosecuted. I am concerned, though that AG Garland is not up to the task. He, like so much of our media is desperate to "appear" fair while being so completely unfair so people actually think Jan. 6th was just a "protest that got out of control." That is just plain wrong, but the DOJ doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything about it, which means, Republicans will learn from this that whatever they do will ultimately be OK because a Democratic administration can't effectively address it, again, there will be no accountability. That is not acceptable!
That is KEY to the existance of America! Moscow and _rump have maybe MINUTES to live between the two of them. On the other hand, Crazygreene may live for DECADES longer and Gaetz may not be arrested for allegedly sexually assaulting a child.
Thank you Daniel Solomon for citing the law. Your comments give me hope that prosecution is inevitable. The legal definition of sedition fits well as a charge describing insurrectionists behavior. Every republican in support of the big lie deserves to be expelled from elected office. Mary Trump revealed her uncle's life long history of blaming others, making excuses, endless lawsuits and irresponsible actions in her book "Too Much and Never Enough". I plan to watch the Jan 6th Committee at 8PM tonight and I hope American voters of both parties will be watching and will act by voting for democrats in November.
There are criminals and then there are Super Stupid criminals like Steve Bannon. Of course Bannon doesn't want to testify, because on October 31, 2020, Bannon was RECORDED telling a group of associates that Trump's plan was to declare victory on election night—even if he was losing.
Bannon said: “What Trump’s gonna do is just declare victory. Right? He’s gonna declare victory. But that doesn’t mean he’s a winner,” “He’s just gonna say he’s a winner.”
And Trump knows you are still going to believe his bulls**t and send him your money.
Lonny needs a class of instruction in history. Trump in office has launched unprecedented misinformation, blatant lies about invalid election results, and suppression of the truth. Good Government can inform without bias, can provide support in emergency, can be eloquent in support of freedom. Lonny, if you are missing out on free speech you are talking or listening to the wrong people. Democracy is not perfect, but when we compare it to other forms of government, it is superior. My experience has taught me that my father serving in WW II was an honor, my attempt to emulate his experience by serving in Vietnam
was humbling and only satisfying when I returned to Vietnam in 2016 to be respected by the Vietnamese for my efforts and involvement. BTW I also visited China where your description of government is appropriate. If you are dumb and silent you are part of the problem . Listen to the wisdom of Dr.Reich and be glad. Also, watch PBS and listen to NPR.
19th Century was the British century. 20th century was America's century and 21st century will be China's century. You should see some of their engineering projects. Maybe they are reds, but we are eating their dust.
I visited China in 2016 and was more than impressed with the clean streets, public buildings and the orderly pace of life. I learned that in Beijing, the Chinese are compliant because there are strong penalties if you are not. Life goes on and it works well. Some might say communism is a "better" system when infrastructure, buildings and public appearance is so ordered. I learned by talking to Chinese citizens in the street that obedience is a common virtue and any challenge to authority is accompanied by great risk to personal well being. In our capitalist society, the great wealth of corporations must assist government reforms if America is to compete with China.
What the Chinese have is not really communism. More like state capitalism. They have GDP of 6%-10%. We have GDP of 2%. Teach your kids to speak Chinese.
Florida is great if you have money. Florida has no services, crumbling infrastructure, bad roads, crime, awful schools, sky high housing costs, poverty, ungodly heat, and a fascist governor. I have lived here all my life. I stay because I have roots here. The poor don't do well in Florida and their are millions of them that don't live on the beach.
Trumpism is an issue. The subversion of the vote is an issue. The violent attack on the American democracy is an issue. The Red state house laws passed to allow the contestants of elections to decide which votes count is an issue. The BIG lie that is intended to undermine our democracy is an issue. The choice between democracy and minority dictatorship is an issue.
Sincere answer: I don't know enough about the details to form an opinion. But it sounds like a dis-service to democracy. ..... Something you would seem to prefer.
Hi Lonny ....thanks for your reply. Many of us old folks blame Trump for substituting nonsense for the more important issues of governing. Real estate and reality TV comprise Trump's past experience so what should we expect? Good government? Elect a clown, expect a circus. I do not view majority opinion as tyranny. If I choose I can vote to object, revolt, write to a newspaper editorial or criticize the majority peacefully and legally. Beware of those who endorse Trump lies because his tactics of misinformation have been phony arguments that destroy meaningful discourse, waste time, and lead to conspiracy theories. Roger Stone, Bannon, Ted Cruz are all willing to lie to create bias or unfair advantage which has been favored by Trump. Not sure what you mean by comparing growth in California and Florida. Both places have attractive climate but the fragile high desert environment is being destroyed by fires and too many people. Florida is blessed with more rain but will suffer soon from water pollution if more is not done to protect from sewage, algae blooms and over population. I once lived in California and am now retired in Florida so I am part of the problem. I am presently excited about democratic candidates who want voting rights, infra structure and want to protect the environment. I forgot to mention immigration reform with higher standards for new citizens to speak English and can provide more agriculture employees to pay into social security. Thanks for reading.
We miss your point? No one is claiming here that there is corruption in Congress. Until the money is removed, there will continue to be politicians who are motivated to enrich themselves through their elected positions. Only we, the people, can change this at the ballot box. We just need to (1) stop believing fake news and (2) avoid blindly following candidates who portray themselves as saviors and saints.
Safe gerrymandered seats and the laws that allow elected representatives to trade on inside information , allow the entrenched politicians to enrich themselves while the dis regard the will of the people. Minority rule is a result of defects in the Constitution.
Will everyone please stop encouraging trolling by engaging this person (assuming he's not a bot)?! The more trolls post the more likely it is they're getting paid to disrupt coherent discussion.
You claimed criminality on the part of persons without the presentation of any proven fact. I gave you VIDEO RECORDED facts about Trump and his criminal cabal. Your head is in a hole.
Since the crimes you allege took place during the Trump/ Barr reign at the JD, why do you suppose they never presented a case? The answer is easy.; Unlike the criminal Trump crime family, there is no legal case.
If I went to a Trump website and started calling for a communist revolution that would be trolling because I know what the response would be. I would be crucified. You are getting off easy.
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The McCarthy hearings, which you cite, were about 70 years ago when the nation, with all its inequities and racism (which remain with us, strong as ever), still had a reservoir of public trust and social decency that’s now almost gone.
Peter Hooper ; I believe that there is still a reservoir of public trust that is large enough to overcome what has happened in the last several years. Don't forget that our present situation developed over a few 'Presidencies' that were not won by the popular vote. We were heading for trouble for a long time before tRump came along. Citizens United and the Electoral College and the filibuster all work against Democracy. The stacked court needs to go too: needs to be balanced and purged of those who will not follow the rule of law and are bought. If there is any fairness in the upcoming elections, the Rethugs will not win! Americans are too smart, in spite of our sometimes jive media spin.
Richard Milhous Nixon changed the course and set the new tone for the Republican Party: Do whatever it takes to win. Lie, cheat, steal, whatever.
Politics is a hard, tough, unforgiving activity, one rife with viciousness, venality, and violence of the passive or aggressive variety. It's war by other means, because the stakes are so high. I wish it could be mannerly, civilized, decent, and high-minded, and I often strive to be that way myself, but when I see, hear, and feel the effects of leaders like Nixon, Agnew, Reagan, Cheney, Newt Gingrich, Trump, Cruz, and McConnell, I find myself quickly dragged down to their level of political discourse. It's impossible to reason with unreasonable people, so what alternative is there? One must win at the voting booth to have the legitimate power to do what should be done to help Americans who need help, which is most of the middle class and all of the working class and poor. But Republicans, by and large, just want unfettered capitalism to set the rules and let the chips fall where they may. No job? Tough. No food? Go to a soup kitchen. No house? Sleep in a shelter or your car if you have one.
It's not "society's responsibility" to "take care of other people's children."
~ Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Senator Johnson thus answered Cain's question to God: "Am I my brother's keeper?"
His answer is nope. (And yet Republicans are supposedly rabid Christians, and we Democrats are lost spiritually.)
Me too! I figure that since I grew up in this country and have seen a few ups and downs over the years. (And don't forget the bad guys always lose in the westerns and cop shows), most Americans pledged allegiance to the flag and have a sense of decency!
Eisenhower was President. He did nothing to sanction McCarthy. Eventually the senate censured him, but this was the period of southern "massive resistance." It took another 10 years for LBJ to stand up and we did not have full democracy until the Voting Rights Act became law in 1965. By 1968 we were close to civil war.
Daniel….the Civil War was never resolved…we are still faced with issues pertaining to States Rights vs. Federalism….further exacerbated by a Rogue Supreme Court
Used to be bi-partisan. No senate republicans support the Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act of 2021 (H.R. 4) that would restore and strengthen parts of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, certain portions of which were struck down by two Supreme Court decisions of Shelby County v. Holder and Brnovich v. Democratic National Committee.
Your reply made me think of something. Even though Republicans are a minority of the country and demographics are against them, they could get a lot more support if they’d act like decent human beings. More flies with honey than vinegar and all that. If they’d followed that road they could still win but we’d be in much better shape. Idiots.
I see and read abundant evidence, Peter Hooper, that the U.S. reservoir of public trust and social decency is thriving. It has shifted mostly to one side, however, with relentless efforts to poison the waters from zucherdoch et al. Finding ways to cancel their effect is the nation's most daunting challenge, I believe.
Actually we did have right-wing Christian radio. Father Coughlin comes to mind. And we had the John Birch Society. This stuff isn’t new, it’s just become mainstream.
Sad to say, Paula B., what we have now and didn't then is news and opinion moving with the speed and penetration of the internet—as Claire suggests. More fool I, I argued at first the net was going to fix everything wrong with the world. (I'm new here, am seeing for the first time today either bots or trolls assigned to this duty. Good to see that for the most part folks aren't taking the bait.)
The American public may be coming around to realizing that trump and trumpism are dangerous and destructive, but what will change if elected Republicans continue on their quest to alter the voting rules to stay in power? They are drunk with it, and none of the ones who realize the danger are speaking out. THIS is why this Novembers' midterms are the most important in years. I hope everyone, but especially those who live in red states, pay close attention to who they vote for. They need to realize that their rights and freedom are under assault as well.
If it is indeed the case that “ the American public may be coming around to realizing that trump and trumpism are dangerous and destructive”, then one has to wonder why, objectively speaking, that Democrats/Progressives appear to be losing the so-called culture war?
Why is Trumpism yet attracting high percentages of minorities, especially Hispanics, to their ideology?
Why are most Americans currently identifying as Independents?
Many believe the issue is with the current two party system. So do I.
In November 2016, the day after the election, I told my friends and colleagues that the election of Donald J. Trump was in fact the beginning of the end of our corrupt two party system.
So, as horrifying as the events surrounding Jan 6 are, along with all of the negative implications thereof, it’s a good thing that the American public of all political stripes are yearning for true change in Washington,and that is what democracy is truly all about.
Americans have been yearning for a change in Washington for a long time. That's how trump weasled his way into the White House to begin with. The two party system?... It's never a good thing to pit one group against the other, and labels are detrimental as well. In hoping and working towards change, I truly hope the collective group of corrupt individuals in our government (please remember, there are great people in there as well) are not replaced with the criminals who are embracing trumpism, with all it's bigotry, racism and hate. In hoping for change, we must really take care not to abandon the democracy we love in the process.
Thank you for this cogent and very important summary. It’s given me the first real hope I’ve had in years that the majority of Americans are waking up and will quash the brazen and violent attempt by Trump and his cohorts to end our democracy.
I feel sadness now. Sad that any person would treat another with such impunity and without dignity or respect. I understand that there are no perfect scenarios in life, but as I continue to study history I feel as if there is so much more that can be done to exhibit kindness to others. My most pressing concern is for our democratic institutions within the United States. I believe that they will flourish beyond any hints of tyranny. However, it is becoming more apparent that people must know history to prevent repeating its failures. We have to have a more innovative approach to government. One in which we are able to expound and perfect on the solutions that brought progress, but make room for new ideas. New ways of thinking. New ways of achieving success. My hope is that will someday happen soon.
Catrina. I am with you on this one. Kindness is essential. How is it so many conservative "Christians" have forgotten about that and the "love" thing in favor of fear, anger, and hatred? That astounds me.
We need to reach the people who support the Republican party regardless....because 'their family has always voted Republican'. I wish I were wealthy right now. In California we have 6 Retrumplicans running for re-election to the House of Representatives. The DNC, DCCC and State Democratic organizations, need to put up huge billboards in each of the six Congressional districts telling the voters, these people are traitors to the United States, they need to buy radio time on the talk radio shows shouting out the same message telling the evidence against these traitors: their votes to overturn the election on January 6 AFTER the insurrection, the requests for Presidential pardons before January 20. Kevin McCarthy is one of those 6. In Texas, there are fifteen, in Florida there are twelve. The electorate in these districts probably don't watch the January 6 Hearings. (almost every State has at least one) TV ads are too expensive and don't address this particular demographic, so hit them where it will give the most bang for the buck. With voters like us, on Substack, I think it is safe to say the majority of us read, understand the voting records, and vote our conscience. The voters we need to reach don't.
Fay Reid ; Don't forget that Inequality Media Civics has young people who are tech savvy making videos and messages to put on Tic Toc, Snapchat, Twitter and other social media sites to get the word out to young voters too. I donate support whenever I can to this effective messaging.
Yes, they do reach young urban and suburban people. But in California only Darryl Issa is in that range, and most of his constituents are super wealthy, their interest is greed. I want to reach the other 5 in CA in rural mountain Districts, who are not as sophisticated. This applies to other more rural States too. Don't get me wrong, i'm not implying that all people in rural areas are unsophisticated, just the trumpsters.
Actually so is Mike Garcia, who is my congressman but won’t be after redistricting. He’s a friend of MTG and needs to be thrown out. The district where he’s running is CA -27.
Yes, that redistricting made a bit of a mess. Hope you have better luck now. I'm aware of Mike Garcia and sincerely hope he loses 27. I got lucky, I'm still in Dr. Bera's District which is now 6 instead of 7, which is now Doris Matsui's District so we're good in the Greater Sacramento area
Hey Fay! A lot of good ideas there for the people of the 6 crazy districts. I wish there were an easier way to reach those Republican voters, but unfortunately, Fox "not really the news" has learned all the techniques to hypnotize viewers and infuse them with hate, anger, fear, and more that those people would not even recognize they have if asked. Getting rid of McCarthy would be a benefit to all.
"Children are being educated." Edward. Florida Republicans want to dictate what books to read, what meds you can take, what words you can say, what history you can learn, what you can do with your uterus, what gender you are & who you can love… ”
Jamie Raskin discussing what I've called here the "Confederate interpretation," but he calls the "Insurrectionist view." It's not directly from the HSCJ6 hearings. It's a view of its best - IMHO - prosecutor: https://youtu.be/9NyHbjmAQoM I think that as long as the discussion topic concerns "Why the January 6 hearings aren't just about January 6," it's totally appropriate for this discussion.
This moved me, not only because I've finally heard someone actively embrace an idea I've banged on about for decades, but by such an intellect as this, who has promoted that idea in such a consequential setting, and presented it so, so much better than I ever could.
As a footnote, the young man who comments after the clip of Raskin is making >exactly< the same argument I made on Nextdoor.com concerning increasing gun violence in the area, that was suppressed as offensive and disrespectful - and it wasn't over insults or coarse language, but about presuming to express the view.
I think Mr. Raskin summed up this whole criminal case beautifully. It does a heart good to know such excellent communicators are in charge of this ongoing criminal investigation!
He didn't take my advice during impeachment and now during the investigation:
The theme should have been "Why threaten to hang Mike Pence?"
Pence, his staff, his family are central to prosecution, THE material witnesses.
I appreciate that Pence counsel Jacob has now come forward. So has Marc Short, chief of staff who told Secret Service agent Tim Giebels: Trump was going to turn publicly against the vice president, and there could be a security risk to Mr. Pence because of it.
Ironically now Secret Service phone evidence is "lost." What does Giebels say? Did he forward the message? What does he know about the car Pence refused to take?
Apparently investigators do not know the identities of the cheerleaders for the "Hang Mike Pence" cheers, or who built the gallows or spread text messages against Pence.
There is an interesting note in your last comments about McCarthy - that he was “ignored by the press” as a contributing factor in his downfall.
If only our press would ignore Trump. If they had only ignored him from the beginning. But he is so brazen and brash, so shocking in his derision and disdain for all that is good and true, that he sells papers. And that is the point, is it not? To sell the news...
You would kill the messenger, Elizabeth Knox? How would you know how dangerous djt is if the press didn't report what he says? Aren't Americans who endorse his madness the segment who should concern you?
I am impressed with the high quality of the January 6th Committee's presentation and the clarity of the witnesses' words. This committee would not permit a McCarthyesque attempt to destroy someone's character as a power grab or distraction. The committee is permitting Trump associates to speak for themselves as to what their corrupt, inept childish associate did and is continuing to do to divide this nation and undermine our democracy. I get it that Trump is the culmination of a lot of forces coming together, but it is the way Trump as demanded and gotten such intense loyalty when he has never been a person deserving of such loyalty that worries me. We are now learning about the level of inappropriate loyalty the Secret Service had for Trump, to the point of erasing tweets that were supposed to be part of the presidential record, and the Secret Service knew it. I hope some of the Secret Service loyalists to Trump instead of to the law are prosecuted and many even high level participants in the Trump coup attempt will be held accountable. I doubt any of the main characters will because people understand they could never hold up under questioning or in court, particularly Donald Trump who reasons like a child and can't remember much beyond the talking points he is either given to use or makes up. Then there's Giuliani! Another issue for me is how anyone who either helped plan or participated in the insurrection can run for office. The 14th Amendment clearly states that such persons cannot ever hold office again. I know exceptions were made after the Civil War when former confederates got to serve in elected positions all over the south, but that does not mean we should permit that today. And, no candidate who still stands on the Big Lie should be able to run either because it means they will not honestly be taking an oath to protect and defend our Constitution. I would love to see the committee as well as the DOJ address that.
I'll say it again: those on this Insurrection committee need to tread VERY carefully! If they don't keep this up until the midterms, the dopey American public WILL forget that this WAS an insurrection as sure as our Civil War. (Luckily, unlike the war that had some of our most brilliant, slave-owning generals attack America, this insurrection was carried out by our least intelligent and most incompetent.)
I like that the Committee said that they "may schedule more" though. I think that statement bodes well for American democracy.
Sadly, the lesson here is that Republican voters will continue to vote for Trump, not even concealed under the form of De Santis, who is Trump's fascist apprentice. His record in Florida--a state which he has destroyed, ecologically, educationally, politically, and socially, while exulting in undermining any meaningful public health measures to contain Covid--is a matter of indifference to Republican voters, greedy for gerrymandered Florida's electoral votes, during the brief period remaining in which Florida is habitable. For Republican voters to replace Trump with De Santis is like the passengers on the Titanic choosing the iceberg to be president of their ship.
Yes, DeSantis is worse than Trump because he has ‘some’ smarts, whereas Trump is a bleeding idiot who can’t be controlled by smarter people.
What did Trump really hope to accomplish almost two years into Biden’s legitimate presidency, by calling Wisconsin governor and asking him to overturn the election?
Is your entire comment ignorance or willful stupidity? Sounds like you’re a loyal viewer of Fox Propaganda from the way you speak so angrily at the mere mention of someone with a different opinion than you, so I know a reasonable conversation isn’t even possible.
I do know calling DeSantis legit is truly laughable. Thanks for that LOL.
Not sure what your fascination is with California, but one state in the union. I’m guessing from your list of “facts” that comes from Fox Propaganda as well.
Please just stop already. You want to pass, please do.
More Fox Propaganda alternative facts. Can’t you just give it up already?
You want to talk about making a place worse to live? Let’s talk about DeSantis: fighting phony voter fraud by instituting draconian restrictions designed to disenfranchise, ramming thru gerrymandered maps to take by force what Republicans can’t win legitimately, restricting speech of citizens, attempting to politically penalize anyone who deigns to publicly disagree with him, and that’s just to name a few actual facts.
This is my final response. You can keep yammering on with your phony “facts,” but I will never fall for them, and you will never listen to anything that has any truth to it. We have nothing further to say to each other.
Excellent analysis -- and YES, the Committee needs to make a recommendation to the DOJ that tRump and every member of his criminal gang be arrested, prosecuted and punished with jail sentences!!
1. The Georgia state grand jury may be starting the process.
2. Trump can be prosecuted based on acts made in furtherance of insurrection subsequent to the events surrounding 1/6. E.G. Wisconsin’s Republican house speaker Robin Vos said Tuesday that Trump called him “within the last week” seeking to overturn the 2020 presidential election. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/20/trump-election-wisconsin-vos-overturn/
3. The way I look at it, there was a planning phase and an execution phase, the events that occurred 1/6.
4. Quoting Robert: the committee is appealing to Republican lawmakers to stop supporting Trump’s continuing attempted coup.
I think that many Republican lawmakers needed to be investigated. For example consider the phone calls and meetings December 21, 2020. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/21/trump-house-overturn-election-449787
Several more requested pardons.
Accusations are made that Republican senators conspired to impede Pence.
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
In fact, Cruz and Hawley should have been questioned. Were they party to the planning phase? https://reason.com/2021/01/22/should-ted-cruz-and-josh-hawley-be-expelled-from-the-senate-for-insurrection/
Numerous members of Congress, over a dozen, should be expelled for their part in the conspiracy
Didn't, something like 147 Republicans vote to decertify Biden's fully lawful election AFTER the insurrection? There are many seditionists/traitors to this country sitting in our Congress with no end in sight. Are we waiting for an election to throw out Cruz, Hawley and so many others?
Off with their heads!
Love this.
I cannot believe Trump is so narcissistic that he would try to upend the results in Wisconsin even as the committee is uncovering massive amounts of evidence against him. That alone proves he’s guilty and megalomaniacal.
Wow! That was a terrific summary of why those Senators and representatives involved with the attempted coup need to be prosecuted. I am concerned, though that AG Garland is not up to the task. He, like so much of our media is desperate to "appear" fair while being so completely unfair so people actually think Jan. 6th was just a "protest that got out of control." That is just plain wrong, but the DOJ doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything about it, which means, Republicans will learn from this that whatever they do will ultimately be OK because a Democratic administration can't effectively address it, again, there will be no accountability. That is not acceptable!
Go a little further and look at what this DOJ did to protect Steven Donziger! Absolutely NOTHING! Criminals Protect Criminals.
That is KEY to the existance of America! Moscow and _rump have maybe MINUTES to live between the two of them. On the other hand, Crazygreene may live for DECADES longer and Gaetz may not be arrested for allegedly sexually assaulting a child.
Do much for *Democrats* being pedophiles. Talk about projection.
Completely unacceptable… that would be such an outrage….((but unfortunately, feasible)). :(
Thank you Daniel Solomon for citing the law. Your comments give me hope that prosecution is inevitable. The legal definition of sedition fits well as a charge describing insurrectionists behavior. Every republican in support of the big lie deserves to be expelled from elected office. Mary Trump revealed her uncle's life long history of blaming others, making excuses, endless lawsuits and irresponsible actions in her book "Too Much and Never Enough". I plan to watch the Jan 6th Committee at 8PM tonight and I hope American voters of both parties will be watching and will act by voting for democrats in November.
Dee Long ; I agree, That is necessary! They can't get away with it!
I agree. And deny bail because his continued lying rhetoric is a danger to our democracy and therefore a national security threat.
Lock him up!
Off with his head!
There are criminals and then there are Super Stupid criminals like Steve Bannon. Of course Bannon doesn't want to testify, because on October 31, 2020, Bannon was RECORDED telling a group of associates that Trump's plan was to declare victory on election night—even if he was losing.
Bannon said: “What Trump’s gonna do is just declare victory. Right? He’s gonna declare victory. But that doesn’t mean he’s a winner,” “He’s just gonna say he’s a winner.”
And Trump knows you are still going to believe his bulls**t and send him your money.
Please don't encourage trolling, $Rich.
Troll!
Lonny needs a class of instruction in history. Trump in office has launched unprecedented misinformation, blatant lies about invalid election results, and suppression of the truth. Good Government can inform without bias, can provide support in emergency, can be eloquent in support of freedom. Lonny, if you are missing out on free speech you are talking or listening to the wrong people. Democracy is not perfect, but when we compare it to other forms of government, it is superior. My experience has taught me that my father serving in WW II was an honor, my attempt to emulate his experience by serving in Vietnam
was humbling and only satisfying when I returned to Vietnam in 2016 to be respected by the Vietnamese for my efforts and involvement. BTW I also visited China where your description of government is appropriate. If you are dumb and silent you are part of the problem . Listen to the wisdom of Dr.Reich and be glad. Also, watch PBS and listen to NPR.
19th Century was the British century. 20th century was America's century and 21st century will be China's century. You should see some of their engineering projects. Maybe they are reds, but we are eating their dust.
I visited China in 2016 and was more than impressed with the clean streets, public buildings and the orderly pace of life. I learned that in Beijing, the Chinese are compliant because there are strong penalties if you are not. Life goes on and it works well. Some might say communism is a "better" system when infrastructure, buildings and public appearance is so ordered. I learned by talking to Chinese citizens in the street that obedience is a common virtue and any challenge to authority is accompanied by great risk to personal well being. In our capitalist society, the great wealth of corporations must assist government reforms if America is to compete with China.
What the Chinese have is not really communism. More like state capitalism. They have GDP of 6%-10%. We have GDP of 2%. Teach your kids to speak Chinese.
Florida is great if you have money. Florida has no services, crumbling infrastructure, bad roads, crime, awful schools, sky high housing costs, poverty, ungodly heat, and a fascist governor. I have lived here all my life. I stay because I have roots here. The poor don't do well in Florida and their are millions of them that don't live on the beach.
Trumpism is an issue. The subversion of the vote is an issue. The violent attack on the American democracy is an issue. The Red state house laws passed to allow the contestants of elections to decide which votes count is an issue. The BIG lie that is intended to undermine our democracy is an issue. The choice between democracy and minority dictatorship is an issue.
Sincere answer: I don't know enough about the details to form an opinion. But it sounds like a dis-service to democracy. ..... Something you would seem to prefer.
Hi Lonny ....thanks for your reply. Many of us old folks blame Trump for substituting nonsense for the more important issues of governing. Real estate and reality TV comprise Trump's past experience so what should we expect? Good government? Elect a clown, expect a circus. I do not view majority opinion as tyranny. If I choose I can vote to object, revolt, write to a newspaper editorial or criticize the majority peacefully and legally. Beware of those who endorse Trump lies because his tactics of misinformation have been phony arguments that destroy meaningful discourse, waste time, and lead to conspiracy theories. Roger Stone, Bannon, Ted Cruz are all willing to lie to create bias or unfair advantage which has been favored by Trump. Not sure what you mean by comparing growth in California and Florida. Both places have attractive climate but the fragile high desert environment is being destroyed by fires and too many people. Florida is blessed with more rain but will suffer soon from water pollution if more is not done to protect from sewage, algae blooms and over population. I once lived in California and am now retired in Florida so I am part of the problem. I am presently excited about democratic candidates who want voting rights, infra structure and want to protect the environment. I forgot to mention immigration reform with higher standards for new citizens to speak English and can provide more agriculture employees to pay into social security. Thanks for reading.
We miss your point? No one is claiming here that there is corruption in Congress. Until the money is removed, there will continue to be politicians who are motivated to enrich themselves through their elected positions. Only we, the people, can change this at the ballot box. We just need to (1) stop believing fake news and (2) avoid blindly following candidates who portray themselves as saviors and saints.
Safe gerrymandered seats and the laws that allow elected representatives to trade on inside information , allow the entrenched politicians to enrich themselves while the dis regard the will of the people. Minority rule is a result of defects in the Constitution.
George Washington tried to eliminate "parties". How did that work?
Always the truth my friend!
Where are your facts behind your accusations against Biden and Pelosi. Slinging mud is easy. Facts,facts,facts!
Will everyone please stop encouraging trolling by engaging this person (assuming he's not a bot)?! The more trolls post the more likely it is they're getting paid to disrupt coherent discussion.
Difny.....you are right! Not to give attention to trolls.
Perhaps you are the troll?
New to the game.
Exactly!
Lonny....that is a dumb reply. You equate Trump and Bannon with Biden? You need your head examined for holes.
You claimed criminality on the part of persons without the presentation of any proven fact. I gave you VIDEO RECORDED facts about Trump and his criminal cabal. Your head is in a hole.
Since the crimes you allege took place during the Trump/ Barr reign at the JD, why do you suppose they never presented a case? The answer is easy.; Unlike the criminal Trump crime family, there is no legal case.
Lonny....why do you come here and troll?
If I went to a Trump website and started calling for a communist revolution that would be trolling because I know what the response would be. I would be crucified. You are getting off easy.
Whataboutism.
NOT accused of insurrection, treason.
Another false analogy.
The McCarthy hearings, which you cite, were about 70 years ago when the nation, with all its inequities and racism (which remain with us, strong as ever), still had a reservoir of public trust and social decency that’s now almost gone.
Peter Hooper ; I believe that there is still a reservoir of public trust that is large enough to overcome what has happened in the last several years. Don't forget that our present situation developed over a few 'Presidencies' that were not won by the popular vote. We were heading for trouble for a long time before tRump came along. Citizens United and the Electoral College and the filibuster all work against Democracy. The stacked court needs to go too: needs to be balanced and purged of those who will not follow the rule of law and are bought. If there is any fairness in the upcoming elections, the Rethugs will not win! Americans are too smart, in spite of our sometimes jive media spin.
Richard Milhous Nixon changed the course and set the new tone for the Republican Party: Do whatever it takes to win. Lie, cheat, steal, whatever.
Politics is a hard, tough, unforgiving activity, one rife with viciousness, venality, and violence of the passive or aggressive variety. It's war by other means, because the stakes are so high. I wish it could be mannerly, civilized, decent, and high-minded, and I often strive to be that way myself, but when I see, hear, and feel the effects of leaders like Nixon, Agnew, Reagan, Cheney, Newt Gingrich, Trump, Cruz, and McConnell, I find myself quickly dragged down to their level of political discourse. It's impossible to reason with unreasonable people, so what alternative is there? One must win at the voting booth to have the legitimate power to do what should be done to help Americans who need help, which is most of the middle class and all of the working class and poor. But Republicans, by and large, just want unfettered capitalism to set the rules and let the chips fall where they may. No job? Tough. No food? Go to a soup kitchen. No house? Sleep in a shelter or your car if you have one.
It's not "society's responsibility" to "take care of other people's children."
~ Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Senator Johnson thus answered Cain's question to God: "Am I my brother's keeper?"
His answer is nope. (And yet Republicans are supposedly rabid Christians, and we Democrats are lost spiritually.)
James Muncy; 'White Supremacist Christians' is an oxymoron. Period. IMHO.
I agree: How do you square loving thy neighbor as thyself with racism, sexism, ageism, xenophobia, and white nationalism? (Hint: You can't.)
True!
If he’s not his brother’s (sister’s) keeper he should stay out of our uteruses.
Right on, brother James. You hit the nail on the head.
@Laurie. You are usually right. I hope you are right this time too!
Me too! I figure that since I grew up in this country and have seen a few ups and downs over the years. (And don't forget the bad guys always lose in the westerns and cop shows), most Americans pledged allegiance to the flag and have a sense of decency!
Benjamin R Stockton ; Thank you for the vote of confidence! Hahaha!
Eisenhower was President. He did nothing to sanction McCarthy. Eventually the senate censured him, but this was the period of southern "massive resistance." It took another 10 years for LBJ to stand up and we did not have full democracy until the Voting Rights Act became law in 1965. By 1968 we were close to civil war.
Daniel….the Civil War was never resolved…we are still faced with issues pertaining to States Rights vs. Federalism….further exacerbated by a Rogue Supreme Court
And what exactly did John Roberts have to do with chipping away this voting rights act? They are anything but Justices,they're traitors!!!
Used to be bi-partisan. No senate republicans support the Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act of 2021 (H.R. 4) that would restore and strengthen parts of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, certain portions of which were struck down by two Supreme Court decisions of Shelby County v. Holder and Brnovich v. Democratic National Committee.
Your reply made me think of something. Even though Republicans are a minority of the country and demographics are against them, they could get a lot more support if they’d act like decent human beings. More flies with honey than vinegar and all that. If they’d followed that road they could still win but we’d be in much better shape. Idiots.
I see and read abundant evidence, Peter Hooper, that the U.S. reservoir of public trust and social decency is thriving. It has shifted mostly to one side, however, with relentless efforts to poison the waters from zucherdoch et al. Finding ways to cancel their effect is the nation's most daunting challenge, I believe.
We didn't have right-wing news then, or Christian radio stations....Twitter, Facebook.....
Actually we did have right-wing Christian radio. Father Coughlin comes to mind. And we had the John Birch Society. This stuff isn’t new, it’s just become mainstream.
Sad to say, Paula B., what we have now and didn't then is news and opinion moving with the speed and penetration of the internet—as Claire suggests. More fool I, I argued at first the net was going to fix everything wrong with the world. (I'm new here, am seeing for the first time today either bots or trolls assigned to this duty. Good to see that for the most part folks aren't taking the bait.)
Yes, communications have sped up exponentially. That certainly hasn’t helped.
The American public may be coming around to realizing that trump and trumpism are dangerous and destructive, but what will change if elected Republicans continue on their quest to alter the voting rules to stay in power? They are drunk with it, and none of the ones who realize the danger are speaking out. THIS is why this Novembers' midterms are the most important in years. I hope everyone, but especially those who live in red states, pay close attention to who they vote for. They need to realize that their rights and freedom are under assault as well.
If it is indeed the case that “ the American public may be coming around to realizing that trump and trumpism are dangerous and destructive”, then one has to wonder why, objectively speaking, that Democrats/Progressives appear to be losing the so-called culture war?
Why is Trumpism yet attracting high percentages of minorities, especially Hispanics, to their ideology?
Why are most Americans currently identifying as Independents?
Many believe the issue is with the current two party system. So do I.
In November 2016, the day after the election, I told my friends and colleagues that the election of Donald J. Trump was in fact the beginning of the end of our corrupt two party system.
So, as horrifying as the events surrounding Jan 6 are, along with all of the negative implications thereof, it’s a good thing that the American public of all political stripes are yearning for true change in Washington,and that is what democracy is truly all about.
Americans have been yearning for a change in Washington for a long time. That's how trump weasled his way into the White House to begin with. The two party system?... It's never a good thing to pit one group against the other, and labels are detrimental as well. In hoping and working towards change, I truly hope the collective group of corrupt individuals in our government (please remember, there are great people in there as well) are not replaced with the criminals who are embracing trumpism, with all it's bigotry, racism and hate. In hoping for change, we must really take care not to abandon the democracy we love in the process.
Thank you for this cogent and very important summary. It’s given me the first real hope I’ve had in years that the majority of Americans are waking up and will quash the brazen and violent attempt by Trump and his cohorts to end our democracy.
I feel sadness now. Sad that any person would treat another with such impunity and without dignity or respect. I understand that there are no perfect scenarios in life, but as I continue to study history I feel as if there is so much more that can be done to exhibit kindness to others. My most pressing concern is for our democratic institutions within the United States. I believe that they will flourish beyond any hints of tyranny. However, it is becoming more apparent that people must know history to prevent repeating its failures. We have to have a more innovative approach to government. One in which we are able to expound and perfect on the solutions that brought progress, but make room for new ideas. New ways of thinking. New ways of achieving success. My hope is that will someday happen soon.
Catrina. I am with you on this one. Kindness is essential. How is it so many conservative "Christians" have forgotten about that and the "love" thing in favor of fear, anger, and hatred? That astounds me.
And if you had been asked, what is the inherent source of your validation?
We need to reach the people who support the Republican party regardless....because 'their family has always voted Republican'. I wish I were wealthy right now. In California we have 6 Retrumplicans running for re-election to the House of Representatives. The DNC, DCCC and State Democratic organizations, need to put up huge billboards in each of the six Congressional districts telling the voters, these people are traitors to the United States, they need to buy radio time on the talk radio shows shouting out the same message telling the evidence against these traitors: their votes to overturn the election on January 6 AFTER the insurrection, the requests for Presidential pardons before January 20. Kevin McCarthy is one of those 6. In Texas, there are fifteen, in Florida there are twelve. The electorate in these districts probably don't watch the January 6 Hearings. (almost every State has at least one) TV ads are too expensive and don't address this particular demographic, so hit them where it will give the most bang for the buck. With voters like us, on Substack, I think it is safe to say the majority of us read, understand the voting records, and vote our conscience. The voters we need to reach don't.
Fay Reid ; Don't forget that Inequality Media Civics has young people who are tech savvy making videos and messages to put on Tic Toc, Snapchat, Twitter and other social media sites to get the word out to young voters too. I donate support whenever I can to this effective messaging.
Yes, they do reach young urban and suburban people. But in California only Darryl Issa is in that range, and most of his constituents are super wealthy, their interest is greed. I want to reach the other 5 in CA in rural mountain Districts, who are not as sophisticated. This applies to other more rural States too. Don't get me wrong, i'm not implying that all people in rural areas are unsophisticated, just the trumpsters.
Yes, Fay Reid : another strategy Is to support particular candidates in areas where an incumbent is vulnerable.
See my comment to Fay. Christy Smith is running to defeat insurrectionist Mike Garcia in CA-27. She needs to kick his ass.
Actually so is Mike Garcia, who is my congressman but won’t be after redistricting. He’s a friend of MTG and needs to be thrown out. The district where he’s running is CA -27.
Yes, that redistricting made a bit of a mess. Hope you have better luck now. I'm aware of Mike Garcia and sincerely hope he loses 27. I got lucky, I'm still in Dr. Bera's District which is now 6 instead of 7, which is now Doris Matsui's District so we're good in the Greater Sacramento area
Hey Fay! A lot of good ideas there for the people of the 6 crazy districts. I wish there were an easier way to reach those Republican voters, but unfortunately, Fox "not really the news" has learned all the techniques to hypnotize viewers and infuse them with hate, anger, fear, and more that those people would not even recognize they have if asked. Getting rid of McCarthy would be a benefit to all.
Here in Baghdad By the Sea, we have 2 districts represented by Trump Republicans that have a Democratic majority. Florida 26 & 27.
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"Children are being educated." Edward. Florida Republicans want to dictate what books to read, what meds you can take, what words you can say, what history you can learn, what you can do with your uterus, what gender you are & who you can love… ”
Meanwhile we still have a COVID epidemic and we in Florida live in a failed false immunity state. The rate of death per 100,000 is 7 times greater in Florida then California. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
California btw has a budget surplus also.
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Jamie Raskin discussing what I've called here the "Confederate interpretation," but he calls the "Insurrectionist view." It's not directly from the HSCJ6 hearings. It's a view of its best - IMHO - prosecutor: https://youtu.be/9NyHbjmAQoM I think that as long as the discussion topic concerns "Why the January 6 hearings aren't just about January 6," it's totally appropriate for this discussion.
This moved me, not only because I've finally heard someone actively embrace an idea I've banged on about for decades, but by such an intellect as this, who has promoted that idea in such a consequential setting, and presented it so, so much better than I ever could.
As a footnote, the young man who comments after the clip of Raskin is making >exactly< the same argument I made on Nextdoor.com concerning increasing gun violence in the area, that was suppressed as offensive and disrespectful - and it wasn't over insults or coarse language, but about presuming to express the view.
I think Mr. Raskin summed up this whole criminal case beautifully. It does a heart good to know such excellent communicators are in charge of this ongoing criminal investigation!
Best of luck you American Patriots!
He didn't take my advice during impeachment and now during the investigation:
The theme should have been "Why threaten to hang Mike Pence?"
Pence, his staff, his family are central to prosecution, THE material witnesses.
I appreciate that Pence counsel Jacob has now come forward. So has Marc Short, chief of staff who told Secret Service agent Tim Giebels: Trump was going to turn publicly against the vice president, and there could be a security risk to Mr. Pence because of it.
Ironically now Secret Service phone evidence is "lost." What does Giebels say? Did he forward the message? What does he know about the car Pence refused to take?
Apparently investigators do not know the identities of the cheerleaders for the "Hang Mike Pence" cheers, or who built the gallows or spread text messages against Pence.
There is an interesting note in your last comments about McCarthy - that he was “ignored by the press” as a contributing factor in his downfall.
If only our press would ignore Trump. If they had only ignored him from the beginning. But he is so brazen and brash, so shocking in his derision and disdain for all that is good and true, that he sells papers. And that is the point, is it not? To sell the news...
You would kill the messenger, Elizabeth Knox? How would you know how dangerous djt is if the press didn't report what he says? Aren't Americans who endorse his madness the segment who should concern you?
Very well said, Robert.
I am impressed with the high quality of the January 6th Committee's presentation and the clarity of the witnesses' words. This committee would not permit a McCarthyesque attempt to destroy someone's character as a power grab or distraction. The committee is permitting Trump associates to speak for themselves as to what their corrupt, inept childish associate did and is continuing to do to divide this nation and undermine our democracy. I get it that Trump is the culmination of a lot of forces coming together, but it is the way Trump as demanded and gotten such intense loyalty when he has never been a person deserving of such loyalty that worries me. We are now learning about the level of inappropriate loyalty the Secret Service had for Trump, to the point of erasing tweets that were supposed to be part of the presidential record, and the Secret Service knew it. I hope some of the Secret Service loyalists to Trump instead of to the law are prosecuted and many even high level participants in the Trump coup attempt will be held accountable. I doubt any of the main characters will because people understand they could never hold up under questioning or in court, particularly Donald Trump who reasons like a child and can't remember much beyond the talking points he is either given to use or makes up. Then there's Giuliani! Another issue for me is how anyone who either helped plan or participated in the insurrection can run for office. The 14th Amendment clearly states that such persons cannot ever hold office again. I know exceptions were made after the Civil War when former confederates got to serve in elected positions all over the south, but that does not mean we should permit that today. And, no candidate who still stands on the Big Lie should be able to run either because it means they will not honestly be taking an oath to protect and defend our Constitution. I would love to see the committee as well as the DOJ address that.
I'll say it again: those on this Insurrection committee need to tread VERY carefully! If they don't keep this up until the midterms, the dopey American public WILL forget that this WAS an insurrection as sure as our Civil War. (Luckily, unlike the war that had some of our most brilliant, slave-owning generals attack America, this insurrection was carried out by our least intelligent and most incompetent.)
I like that the Committee said that they "may schedule more" though. I think that statement bodes well for American democracy.
Georgia should be on your mind.
It may be risky to prosecute Trump and his co conspirators, but if we don’t what’s stopping him or anyone else from attempting another coup?
Derek Wessner ; I agree, It's a lot riskier To NOT prosecute tRump and his co conspirators!
"We have to get this right." : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOFDUyoGiCc
Another good discussion worth paying attention to: https://youtu.be/naZlnUzkKDw
On the other hand, this disturbs me: https://youtu.be/oqi21Z_YeXI
You do the crime, you do the time.
Sadly, the lesson here is that Republican voters will continue to vote for Trump, not even concealed under the form of De Santis, who is Trump's fascist apprentice. His record in Florida--a state which he has destroyed, ecologically, educationally, politically, and socially, while exulting in undermining any meaningful public health measures to contain Covid--is a matter of indifference to Republican voters, greedy for gerrymandered Florida's electoral votes, during the brief period remaining in which Florida is habitable. For Republican voters to replace Trump with De Santis is like the passengers on the Titanic choosing the iceberg to be president of their ship.
Yes, DeSantis is worse than Trump because he has ‘some’ smarts, whereas Trump is a bleeding idiot who can’t be controlled by smarter people.
What did Trump really hope to accomplish almost two years into Biden’s legitimate presidency, by calling Wisconsin governor and asking him to overturn the election?
He’s really showing his dumb desperation now.
Is your entire comment ignorance or willful stupidity? Sounds like you’re a loyal viewer of Fox Propaganda from the way you speak so angrily at the mere mention of someone with a different opinion than you, so I know a reasonable conversation isn’t even possible.
I do know calling DeSantis legit is truly laughable. Thanks for that LOL.
Please don't encourage trolling, Sam Waxler.
Not sure what your fascination is with California, but one state in the union. I’m guessing from your list of “facts” that comes from Fox Propaganda as well.
Please just stop already. You want to pass, please do.
More Fox Propaganda alternative facts. Can’t you just give it up already?
You want to talk about making a place worse to live? Let’s talk about DeSantis: fighting phony voter fraud by instituting draconian restrictions designed to disenfranchise, ramming thru gerrymandered maps to take by force what Republicans can’t win legitimately, restricting speech of citizens, attempting to politically penalize anyone who deigns to publicly disagree with him, and that’s just to name a few actual facts.
This is my final response. You can keep yammering on with your phony “facts,” but I will never fall for them, and you will never listen to anything that has any truth to it. We have nothing further to say to each other.
Nothing is going to change unless there is accountability. Prison. Punishment. Period.