Do we really have a working two party democracy when both parties are led by the necessity of trying to outspend each other, therefore, giving the wealthiest an unequal say in both parties?
Marc, I've been thinking and I think when this election is over and President Biden is once again in the White House, those of us that want to see better governing and better politicians could maybe start a third party. It could be called the Centrist Party and would call for those people who want to see control of our government back in the hands of those politicians that are not far right, not far left but in the middle and are willing to work with one another for the good of our country and the American people. I am tired of the wild chaos from the far ends of the right and left calling the shots and keeping the American people constantly on pins and needles. If we had that, we could begin to work on dismantling these huge corporations and mega conglomerates. We could make our country work for everyone not just a few. Minority groups would be targeted less, children wouldn't be hungry and could go to school without fear of some crazed person taking their life, women would be in control of their own bodies, and hate groups would be dealt with. The Centrist Party would be made up of the silent majority that goes about their lives voting when called on and living their lives in peace. Crazy idea but I do like the sound of it!!
I think that's what most people want (the silent majority)...just common sense, fairness, tolerance and freedom. To live a decent life without constant chaos and worry about crazy people wanting power, killing innocent people including their own family members, taking the cheap way out to make themselves more money while poisoning the earth, our air and water and minds. We need to dial back on the drama and realign our values and priorities. Work towards big goals and dreams but with intrgrity and without collateral damage. People get bored, I understand. But surely there's enough projects with honorable outcomes to keep everyone busy without destroying our planet and the species who live here. Think ahead and no matter what religion you are, most have the concept (or common sense) to DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO UNTO YOU.
This New Party could be called, 'America First!'... People tend to forget that close to 1/2 of American Households live Paycheck-2-Paycheck... The Elites are fighting over the Spoils of the current Gilded-Age... Remember Teddy Roosevelt's "Square-Deal', and FDR's 'Four Freedoms'?... The U.S. Constitution begins with, 'We the People Of The United States In Order To Form A More Perfect Union...' ... Progress is a Continuous Process... It is becoming increasingly a Necessity in order to address the looming Crisis-ii of Climate-Change, and AI in addition to others... Going back to a illusionary 'Golden-Age' of 100-Years ago is Stupid & Insane...
interesting. thank you for the suggestion. i will watch. the more i understand, the better i think. recently, the rest of my family are now maga! for generations we have been union and labor force activists. i have some inklings - but, they do not make sense.
It’s a powerful documentary. The roots of the Nationalistic Christian movement in our country is not new. What’s scary about it is the slow methodical pace of growing itself over the last many decades. It has culminated in a 900+ page
document which threatens our country’s existence as we know it.
It is past time for the Dem's when back in office to demand an audit for all of the religious groups in this country. The original deal was you folks keep you nose in the Bible and out of politics and the government will keep it's nose out of religion and give you a big tax break the same time. The past few decades have proved this isn't a solution that's working. It is time for them to shut up and stay in their churches or be taxed like a business. Cheers... GH
Peggy Freeman, I used to think I was a centrist. Who knows maybe I still am? In these last eight yesrs, I have found myself asking, what do I think the middle is and how do other people define it. I have come to three conclusions.
One the middle is an abstract concept, open to differing definitions by everyday people. So it limits our conversations and can cause conflict. Two, I like the words progressive and regressive because they are honest in a historical and right this moment context, but the words are also still limiting and can cause conflict. Thirdly, and most importantly, I think the continuum we put ourselves and others onto boils quite nicely down to 2 questions. 1. Do we believe in fairness and equality/equity for all or fairness just for the group we identify mostly with? 2. Do we want to punish, neglect, harm, control, exploit any group? If we could ask ourselves these questions and have honest conversations with each other, I believe we could make great progress becausr we all become more self-aware and every ancient wisdom tradition and wise person says that is the key to positive, societal transformation.
I like that thought, M Tree. I used Centrist to describe what I think is considered in the middle where politicians could come together and iron out any differences in order to pass legislation that would help all of us. Right now, it seems there is a 'my way or the highway' mentality playing out in Congress. Americans would benefit if that type of thinking was excluded. I do believe in fairness and equality/equity for everybody not just one particular group. I don't want to punish any group. I believe that when we realize we are all a part of the human race and no one is better or worse than the other, it is possible to come together and work together for the benefit of all.
Peggy Freeman, yes I agree. I think both us want fairness for all and have no unconscious desire to harm or neglect anyone. And your idea that compromise is a hallmark of good government that we should intentionally find our way back to, I completely agree with. I think where someone is on my fairness continuum works with your important desire. Those like us who want fairness for all (equality/equity) could compromise with others striving for the same. thing.
The rub is, those not striving for fairness for all but for power over others, are unwilling to compromise. I saw or read an interview with Newt Gingrich a few years ago, he gleefully recounted how he had destroyed Republicans penchant for compromising with Democrats in Congress. He said he told them winning was most important and they couldn't win if they comprised and that those who still wanted to be friends with D's and compromise, he ran primary candidates against them and forced them out. So I would say Republicans and only Republicans have a 30+ year habit of being anti-compromise because fairness for all is not an option they like.
Thank you, M Tree! I did not know where or when republicans decided to stop compromising! I should have know it was that idiot, Newt Gingrich! Since then, it has been a steady downhill trajectory!
A Georgia law implemented this month makes it easier for citizens to challenge their neighbors’ ability to vote, increasing the risk of voter disenfranchisement. The law, fueled by false claims of widespread election fraud in 2020, has already led to mass challenges that will require dozens of voters to take extra steps to have their ballots counted this fall. Some Georgia counties are trying to mitigate the law’s impact by requiring stronger evidence of a voter’s supposed ineligibility. Even still, inviting frivolous voter challenges wastes election officials’ time and spreads disinformation, eroding trust in the electoral process.
I've been trying to alert people to the fact that the terrorist organization known as the republican party is trying to subvert the upcoming election. they have the money (oh do they have the money) and a motive of revenge for being very narrowly thwarted in 2020. The above tactic is just one of a huge playbook, and seriously threatens to put drumpf back in power.
That is why I advocate for Biden to do his constitutional duty and arrest and hold without habeas corpus, all the domestic terrorists who tried to overthrow the 2020 election. If he doesn't do that, drumpf after being elected will do that to Biden, and then start coming after you. think about it.
Peggy, when. I think of centrists I think of incrementalism. What you're describing seems more like bipartisanship to me. I consider myself a progressive, and yet I believe in everything you're saying. Progressives believe that there's no time to waste in solving our dire problems. Isn't that what you would like to see?
Paula, any way you slice it and no matter what you call it, I guess I do want to see bipartisanship in our government again. We definitely do not have any time to waste in order to right Democracy's ship! Vote Blue, America!!
The mysognists are in great fear of your ideas. As someone who was bullied throughout school, survival of the the mysognysyic fittest is not the world I could survive in (The Trumpian mysgonists think that empathy and inclusion is weakness). In a world that on its social media face seems devoid of empathy and inclusion, those 2 things and what you say is definitely more of what we need.
Bill, I certainly hope they are in fear of these ideas. The thought of you being bullied in school makes me very angry. As a retired teacher, I know how harmful bullying can be. I worked with my students to teach them how to address a bully. I also worked on the bullies. What I found to be, more often than not, the bully came from a sad situation at home. The bully felt if he didn't show how tough he was, he would suffer. I would talk to him/her (yes, there are girl bullies, too!) and find ways for them to be applauded by their peers. They soon realized the good they did brought acceptance which is what a lot of them wanted. Through our discussions they began to understand what friendship and acceptance meant and the harmful effects of bullying. Some times it worked - other times it did not as in the orange man's case. I consider you strong because you are willing to discuss how you were bullied but you overcame it. Empathy, inclusion, compassion and acceptance are all part of a strong personality. The weakness as I see it, are those who derive pleasure from inflicting pain, intimidating, and general nastiness. Stay strong, Bill, I got your back as do a lot of the followers on this substack! Vote Blue, America!
Right on the money Peggy. I knew a friendly, funny guy in high school that everyone liked. Problem was several days a week he would show up staring daggers and with a hateful look on his face. He would pick a fight with any guy with no notice. It was years later we found out his dad would come home drunk several times a week and beat the hell out of him and his brother. In the 1960's there wasn't much understanding or help for these things. Lucky he overcame it and turned out to be a regular person. I have always supported spending some of our tax money to help these families with intervention and other services. If we want to be a civilized society we must be willing to help each other in bad times. I haven't waded through the 2025 manifesto yet, but I would be willing to bet there won't be much funding for most of the social services we need. Cheers... GH
I came to a similar conclusion the randomness of the different bullies indicated the problems that these kids were having at home. So many had parents issue I pitty them. Here is a pastor that is anti trump talks about bullying. Its got the white christian national mysogonist I mentioned before.
Bill Reitz, I'm sorry that you were so bullied. If I was there with you, I would have tried to help always. Bullying for so many of us, strikes a familiar sound.
I agree with you about the nonsense conditioning around the word, weakness, especially as it relates to men. Intentionally of late, I have been on a mission to do my small part to change our conditioning around the word, strongman, as it relates to leaders of nations and dictators. My mission is to equate all violence (verbal, physical, sexual, emotional/mental, intimidation and neglect) with weakness. And fairness, kindness, compassion, and a desire to be peaceful, treat others justly, and try to understand our own and other's suffering is true strength. Any man who shows or aspires to the latter is a strongman leader! So what if we all called the dictators of the past and present what they really are, weakman leaders.
It's been exhausting to have the campaign cycle going all the time now. The media, the texts, emails, and calls. Whatever it takes to give us a break for at least two years would be nice.
I agree, Kim. I am so tired of all of it! I will take a break after the election. Until then, I will continue to work hard to get President Biden re-elected. Vote Blue, America!!
You are so right, Patt! That's why when I feel the exhaustion and desperation coming over me, I go outside. I work in my garden, take a walk with my pup, read a good book, turn off my mind and reflect on all the positives in my life, visit with family, I guess anything that does not remind me of the fight we are in! I refuse to let them wear me down to the point I will not engage with people to get out and vote. I will continue to sing President Biden's accomplishments and the good he has done for our country. Don't let the exhaustion take over. Vote Blue, America!
The Brits have this down. They don't allow ANY ads or campaigns to start until about 90 days before the election. I'm guessing at the time, but I know isn't a very long election season. Cheers... GH
I agree that a third party (or the dissolution of the GOP) is something many Americans want and would support, but if we don’t *also* do away with the Electoral College system, which confers outsized influence on a few states, and undermines the popular vote, and institute ranked choice voting, a 3rd party is likely to function as a spoiler. Remember, many Americans pay little attention to politics, and a lot of people only get their *news* from Fox. Also, the ultra-wealthy (who on both sides have more in common with each other than with regular Americans) will do their best to control the narrative around any centrist third party effort.
Patt, that and killing the big money in politics by reversing the Citizens United decision, re-instating contribution limits, and getting rid of dark money would go a long way to putting the controls back on democracy.
In France 2 parties came together to defeat rhe right. I see the anti-trumpers as an amalgam of very disparate views. Once we out vote MAGA into irrelevance I see the 3rd party being a second party replacement offshoot of our current anti-fascist amalgam of voters. In which the third party will be whats left of MAGA.
It will take years to vote MAGA into irrelevance. It will require getting rid of the stupid filibuster that has been used by the robber barons and racists to block things like civil rights legislation. Sixty votes to pass nearly ANY legislation?! Seriously?! We have to vote enough people into Congress to get bills passed about reproductive rights, right to privacy, voting rights, etc. Trump's rise in politics allowed so much evil to come out of the shadows. The radical fringe that wants to take us back to pre-Revolutionary War times has played a long game. We have to play a long game as well.
I agree it will take a long time to drop MAGA. In the senate we are fighting big corporate money. Thankfully filibuster rules require only 51 votes to toast. Unfortunately the Dem majority includes at least 2 senators who will consisitently vote against the rule change. Manchin and Sinema (Independent Caucusing with Dems). Once they are replaced we will know where we really stand number wise. I would say one other Dem is a solid corporate milk drinker and will turn when the votes turn. So currently only about 49 votes. We definitely need a real majority ie, at least 51 to make the rule change and get ANY partisan legislation through. Of course when I say partisan I mean voting rights, womens rights, LGBTQ rights, even religious rights. How these things are partisan only seems to stem from rights for voters verse supremecy for big donors.
I was very heartened by what I saw in France. If the old GOP got back their power then possibly the third party would be those far right-far left minority!
The "old GOP" is dead, finito! Rarely is the word 'conservative' used anymore. That gladdens me, but what has surfaced is flat-out fascism. I have believed for decades that this is the true bent of conservatism.
It is the Trump Party. Far more accurate than continuing to call it the Republican Party. It's like some cheap handbag company buying up Gucci, then selling their crappy handbags under the Gucci label. Not that the Republican party was ever close to Gucci of course!
My belief is that, once the TRAITORS have been destroyed, the Gop, made obsolete by the non-existance of fossil fuels, will be replaced with a PROGRESSive party, while the Democratic will become the NEW "conservative:" pro-life in general, but fisically regressive.
Corporate Dems will defintitely still be regressive and their large money caches will keep them in power until campaign finance can be reformed. The progressive I can see growing in voting power as long as progressive reforms continue and at least a 3rd group of folks that have views that the red coats would never listen too so they need a voice in a safe place.
It's not a crazy idea, Peggy. I think it's one of the best ideas if we can accomplish it in the future. The excellent comments by you and Marc Nevas speak my views EXACTLY!
You are most welcome, Peggy. I would love to have peace from all of this insanity too! I sure would love to wake up in the morning soon and hear the news that Donald TUMP has ceased to exist! I absolutely despise that despicable SOB!
Peggy, I like your idea, but I think it’ll be a long time coming. Part of the republican tactic is to make a lot of money available to rank & file republicans in order to keep their “loyalty.” In 2016 they paid people to
attend Trump’s rallies. They’ve also used emotion
to control them. If you think about it, that’s how disinformation works. It deliberately preys on emotion and tends to suspend rational thought.
With all of the corruption coming to light, I’m afraid
the only way to stop the power of money is to make
campaign contributions illegal, because campaign contributions are the vehicle used for much of the
corruption. The power of money is what gives the
groups within the GOP the ability to control their
Susan, I would agree with the idea of making campaign contributions illegal. Back in the day, candidates would walk all over shaking hands, talking to constituents and getting to know the people they would represent. These huge rallies have taken away the opportunity for voters to interact with candidates and voice their concerns. All I hear from candidates now is the same old cliches 'I will work tirelessly for you', 'I will get things done', 'I am for the working class' and on and on and on. The fact is, I believe the working class works three times as hard as any politician. They seem to be out on vacation more than in Congress working!
Peggy, it's what the progressives have been advocating for years, and which before Clinton used to be the focus of the democratic party. publicly funded campaigns might work. it was quarterheartedly attempted years ago.
Good question, Diane! Since it is a grass roots idea then those that would want that type of party could donate. I honestly don't know how it works, but I'd be willing to give it a go!
That's great for those who can afford it. I'm not in that category. The last time I had money for donations was when Bernie ran. Fully retired now and on a fixed income.
I could envision it being treated as public services, donated by all media
There is about $806 Billion in corporate and billionaire subsidies you and I pay for everyday. Make the corps and wealthy pay their way. In reality there is a hell of a lot more than that in wealth tax that can garnered not by taxing us but by taxing the wealthy. As in 3 or 4 Trillion. Which can be used to correct the SSI under fundage (due to wealth transfer to folks who top out at SSI payments on the 1st 400k income) and many other social programs and infrastrucure. I had this idea the other day. Look at the parabolic curve upwards which is the wealthy getting wealthier. Then look at an iron bridge (lets say that one just got knock down by the ship). As the wealth for the wealthy shoots higher and higher that iron bridge gets rustier and rustier until it falls down (thats not how the bridge was felled) but reality is if we didnt subsidize the rich and the corporations there would be a brand new bridge in its place with caisons in place to prevent that type of accident from knocking it out in the first place.
I'm sure you folks know this but when the big and small corps get a SUBSIDY they don't have to pay it back. If it is a LOAN they do. It is no accident that the Billionaires get subsidies and the students get loans! I'm old enough to remember when the Fed Gov bailed out Chrysler with a loan in the 1970's they paid it back. Didn't take the BIG MONEY boys long to figure that buying off politicians to give them subsidies and not loans! And now that corporations are people... well how can you not want to help one of your "fellow" Americans. cheers... GH
If you really want the huge corporations and mega conglomerates to stop controlling the American people then take a hard honest look at what's happening in our health insurance industry. The over charges billed to Medicare are draining that system and a recent report from a DOD Red team is sounding the alarm that it's similar to what's happening the the 21% overcharging on reimbursements to the Veterans Administration, “Roundtable members were in unanimous agreement that the VA urgently needs to take action to control community care utilization and spending if the direct care system is to continue to be available to serve the diverse, specialized, and often highly complicated health care needs of enrolled veterans.”
Peggy, I really like your ideas. What I see as the obstacles are those corporations and billionaires, who say, like the NRA, "you'll have to pull it (power) out of my bloody hands". Could we mimic India and call a total national strike?
Marilyn, here's my secret. I have been on strike from these corporations for a while now. I refuse to shop in their stores. I don't want them to have my money. I know that seems petty but it is my little defiance. It has been fun finding places I can shop like Aldi's, Ollie's, thrift stores, farmer's markets and u-pick farms. My family laughs at my "eclectic" decorating because everything I have has been purchased second hand. It is one of my favorite dreams that suddenly all of what I call working class just stopped and worked on other ways to pay for their day to day living. I know everyone will say 'people would lose their jobs' and I know that but for just a brief moment it gives me pleasure to think we could end the power hungry, greedy corporations!!
Bingo Peggy. I haven't been in a Wal-Mart for 30 years after I realized how poorly they treated their workers. More of us should shop locally with our neighbors small businesses. We do as much as we can.
Wouldn't it be absolutely great if more people did that? Eventually the corporations would have to rethink what they are doing and make some significant changes!
What prevents big money from flowing to a 3rd party, 4th, etc? I think the problem is big/dark money in politics - period, not necessarily our 2 party system. That said, I have been thinking that the long, drawn out campaign “season” which requires that big/dark money to feed the propaganda machines. What if we changed our paradigm and allow campaign season to be limited to 1 month, then the election? I feel like the outcome would be a short, intense & lively public debate & discourse, then the election while the issues are still “hot” and people are MOTIVATED to vote. Perhaps our voter turnout numbers would increase as a consequence. If France can do it, the US certainly could.
The Press is doing Trump's job for him. Leave Joe alone. He beat Trump before and Donnie Boy is terrified he will lose to the Democrat once again. Trump's mental acuity is slipping and rapidly. Where has he been for the past couple of weeks? The last time I saw him give a commentary Joe made more sense during their last debate. Trump is suffering from something far more debilitating than old age. Ignorance and basic stupidity seem to be taking their toll.
I disagree with you. "The Donald" is not terrified he'll lose. His personality won't allow him to believe he'll lose. And people ARE showing up for his rallies. He spews the lies over and over, and with Fox (Fake News) Network and other fringe right media outlets all stepping up and spouting those stories, more people are believing Donnie Boy is the man for the job. As I mentioned in another comment, he's got something that Biden doesn't have: a strong personality and charisma. It's one of the ways dictators get into power. They use their charisma to attract people and tell them lies over and over so they finally believe they're the answer to everything wrong in the country.
Trump is sitting back watching the Democrats destroy themselves....
I fear the bit of truth you write here. The news does not adequately report TFG's verbal diarrhea, there's painfully missing analyses of his ignorance of world affairs. And the clips they do show are not really analyzed, but left to stand on their own, for all of us to laugh or gasp at, but not anything more than that.
And, yes, TFG is terrified of loosing because jail will be his next stop.
No it's not working except for the wealthy and over time excesses/inequality grows and it becomes unsustainable esp. now w/r/t the environment and climate change.
There are so many things our Western Europe allies do so much better than we do. Schooling and affordable higher education, vacation times, food (school children get amazing diets of clean, real food!) and travel. They have had high speed trains for decades, which I have traveled on...quite an experieince.
The influence of the wealthy up and down the ballot in both parties uncovers, yet another weakness in our current undemocratic and unequal economic system. Robert Reich has uncovered, yet another way in which the wealthy and the ultra wealthy are skewing American politics to their own interest. So much of the mainstream media is now owned or influenced by the wealthy it is no longer a reliable source of the news. Money has always influenced elections and many people look at how much each candidate has raised in cash as much as they look at the polls. However, in this situation that Robert Reich has uncovered, it has become more obvious than ever how much capitalism has gained the upper hand over democracy.
Robert is talking about who calls the shots in putting candidates before us, as much as who puts money into advertising to get us to vote.
WE need to make that Vote Voice more important, demanding better candidates!! That’s gonna be a hard change to make happen … but in the end, the power of money comes from having the ability to spend it to REACH US … the voters.
We have that final bit of leverage … our votes. How can we maximize our power to get the candidates we need, to get the legislation we need, to BE daily the power-potential we hold in our aggregate votes? That centrist party needs to be WE WHO VOTE.
Never lose track of the 800 lb gorilla standing in the corner hiding under a lampshade. Media is complicit in a major way, but not so clearly identified or mentioned - giving ol' 45 all the support he can no longer afford to buy. It was refreshing to hear this young man's take on it all:
Marc, I write because I believe elites, specifically Biden’s inner circle who have protected Biden from having to think and speak in extended extemporaneous situations (a low bar for the presidency) greatly have contributed to our finding ourselves at this perilous moment both for the Party and for the country.
To be clear, no one I’m aware of is expressing concern regarding Biden’s ability to govern for another term.. The concern has rested with his ability to campaign, exacerbated by the June 27th debate, which was meant to alleviate doubts that instead were reinforced..
In my view, the remedy, if there is one, is for Biden repeatedly, without teleprompter, to situate himself in demanding, challenging situations and prove he can both represent his record and prosecute the case against Donald Trump. While Thursday afternoon’s press conference and Monday evening’s interview with Lester Holt is a start, which might ease minds more so than the Stephanopoulis interview, the two scheduled events are not nearly sufficient. Frankly, I expect a lot of us are not adequately comforted by Biden’s brief visit to the friendly AFL—CIO Washington headquarters or by his call-in to the affable Morning Joe team. Unless or until Biden, over and over again, presents himself in difficult unscripted settings, I expect would-be-supporters to grow increasingly anxious.
Biden has a lot of work to do. And your suggestions are spot on. But as I read this substack and that of HCR and Hubbell I am struck with the complete absence of discussion regarding the youth vote.
Biden doesn't have to convince the commenters on these pages or any other echo chamber. As someone said: "I would vote for Biden's brain in a jar before I would vote for Trump."
The President has lost too many of the younger generation who just might stay home. Too many of them have no idea what fascism is. No idea about Project 2025. They live on TikTok. The number of young people who don't know much about the Holocaust is appalling. We are not looking at life from a young person's angle.
It is not too late. For most of our history we have chosen a nominee at a convention. I for one would love to see a youthful inspiring leader grab the torch. Watching Whitmer on the NewsHour recently brought me to tears. THIS is what the face of the Democrats should be like. Democrats are fearfully keeping their heads in the sand. And it is way past time for our generation to let go.
Good thoughts. The trump team is praying, as The Dispatch put it, that Biden stays on. Several stronger, more coherent and more reassuring options (including Harris, who polls ahead of Biden) are available to the Dems that would make it much harder for trump to win. In part because the focus would be turned more on trump and Republican policies.
I agree about the youth vote, Bill. We need to take the message to where the young voters spend their time - on social media. Since many did not learn about fascism, Hitler or the Holocaust, we must educate them! I, too, would love to see these younger people put forth a candidate that all of us could get behind and support. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet.
Bill, Thank you for writing. As someone who does everything possible to support the youth grassroots organizers, I feel bolstered by your reply. I would add that for some time I’ve been pitching Whitmer and have had to explain, as I partially did in my reply on this site to Gloria Johnson, why I oppose automatically anointing Harris.
Barbara, I suspect the right can sit back and enjoy the dangerous suggestions by Democrats that Biden step aside after record breaking accomplishments in his term. The media is fully in bed with trump. They send out the messages. Biden has been out and about after the poor debate performance. Meanwhile, Democrats keep the focus on an incumbent while letting every outrageous trump speech get ignored. Changes can be made AFTER the election win.
But as it is now Democrats with the microphones are damaging chances even more. So many people on various chat groups I’m on din’t think Kamala is the best pick as the alternate. Do you really think Democrats will suddenly come together for an entirely new candidate for this election cycle? That WILL NOT happen. A great recipe for failure. Kamala can always take over should he be unable to serve his full term.
@SeekingReason, To start, I agree Kamala Harris is not our best pick mainly because, albeit unfairly, she is viewed by too large a swath as too progressive, a perception, even more unfairly, exacerbated by her color.
As for Biden, we should not lose sight of the fact that his team requested the June debate with the intent of dispersing doubts that, instead, were reinforced.
Speaking for myself, I am doing everything possible to press for an open convention, presuming Biden releases his delegates. Unlike you, I’m not surrendering to the idea, given the stakes, that Democrats are incapable of coming together and recognizing the energizing and unifying impact of affording qualified candidates an opportunity to battle for the Party’s nomination. Suffice it to say, in my view, attempting to put our best foot forward beats 4 months of “white knuckled” anticipation, even as we do all we can to get Biden elected.
Barbara No one, absolutely no one, will change anything unless we blitz Congress blue. The problem is people always want everything. I do think going forward, we must have an age limit. Some people are extraordinary capable at 80+ but most aren’t. I am all for keeping an experienced 80+ year old in a paid advisory roll, but we need to address it. 4 months before an election isn’t the time. Democrats will not agree on who. 4 months is preposterous in this country to roll out a campaign.
@Seeking Reason, “Blitz[ing] Congress blue” is irrelevant to Democrats coming together to try and ensure we’re putting our best foot forward to save our democracy and defeat Trump. I would add that 4 months by any standard other than our own is a long time.
Barbara this isn’t about anyone else’s standard for elections. It’s preposterously short in the US. And another thing we need to fix. Campaigns never end here. They are years long involving enough money to solve many of our problems. A total disgrace. But only a Dem president along with a very Blue Congress can really attack these issues.
Don't forget that everyone campaigning also has a " day job". Campaigning in the US is a good two year gig and ridiculously expensive thanks to SCOTUS (who aren't doing their's as well as should be). Everything is about money now and more importantly, who has it. We need massive campaign reforms (and others) but no foxes guarding the hen houses.
Sharon, At this terrifying moment in our nation’s history, I believe, more than anything, we need an inspiring, galvanizing leader who forcefully can represent the accomplishments of the present administration, elaborate on much needed legislation moving forward, and prosecute the case against Trump. Our Party is yearning to be energized and unified.
Barbara Jo Krieger who are you talking about? Can you provide some names please so that your commentary can be better understood? You refer to elites, Biden's inner circle (for example) - who are these people (besides Jill)? Exactly how and when have they been protecting the President from having to think and speak? I haven't seen any of that so I do not understand your comment.
Max, The two that immediately come to mind are Jill Biden’s top aid Anthony Bernal and longtime ally Mike Donilon. Moreover, I can state unequivocally that Blinken, Sullivan, and McGurk are the sole advisors Biden consults when mapping out his Israeli-Hamas policy. My point is that a bunker mentality is indigenous to how Biden operates.
Let’s remember that decades ago Joe Biden was well known for his gaffs. Not many people can speak for long periods without written notes or script. You see what happens when Trump speaks ad lib. I was against Biden running in the first place, due to his age. Initially, I understood he was running for one term. I voted for him. I certainly didn’t see Trump as presidential material and was so glad not to hear his incessant, insane boloney of the hour. Why would the Democrats not pick a younger candidate? I think because he was the most conservative and more likely to get the voters who couldn’t stomach any more of Trump.
Agreed, Barbara Jo. If the rest of the campaign is proving himself to be fit for governing instead of campaigning against Trump, then voters will lose confidence in him and forget why Trump is the worst choice.
Tracy, in my view, justified perceptions of Biden’s ability to govern have suffered as a consequence of his inability to campaign. Frankly, for his sake and for ours, I hope he uses the narrow window still afforded him to preserve both the country and his legacy.
Agree with al of you but the choice has been made. I am sending another $500 to the DNC this week. There goes our vacation money! Happily! Now I want the DNC to spend all of their money showing continuous clips of T's outrageous bullshit in all their ads. At the very end a freeze frame of the worst nasty, snarling photo of him they can find. The last few seconds Joe should appear in the corner and say "Does anyone really think this guy should be President?" I spent many years in advertising and sometimes the best idea is not to talk about your burger directly but ask the other guy..."Where's the beef?' The DNC and the BIden folks are missing the best chance to ridicule the T man with his own words until he blows a gasket. He is an easy target. By pushing this in everyone's face until the election most folks will start forgetting about Joe's gaffs and start remembering T's. It is time for them to stop playing by the old rules and get tough. It's the new reality. They don't have to be nasty... Let T do it for them. Cheers... GH
“Everyone else” were enthusiastic about Bernie in 2016, but the Democratic machine and the big donors pushed Bernie aside in favor of Hillary Clinton, and where did that get us? More and more of the everyday people are getting more and more frustrated with the fact that our wishes don’t count. It pushed some of them into the arms of Agent Orange. Those of us who won’t go there, increasingly don’t know where to go. We’re tired of choosing the lesser of two evils. Let the people have some say by throwing the Democratic Party choice open to a mini primary season and then an open convention.
I have to disagree with part of your comment, "it pushed some of them into the arms of Agent Orange", I find it hard to believe that anybody who supports Bernie and believes in the ideas he has been working for, would turn around and vote for trump. I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but then I voted for Hillary, and then Joe Biden.
If you think Biden is the lesser of two evils with trump, then you are pretty poorly informed. Here are some of Biden’s accomplishments vs Trump
*Biden passed much needed legislation after trump mangled the pandemic, destroyed the economy and led a deadly INSURRECTION to overthrow the government.
*Biden lowered unemployment from 6.3% to 3.5% and has held the unemployment rate below 4% for the longest period in 50 years!
*Biden created 15 million jobs in a little over 3 years (A Record).
*Bidenomics grew the economy at 3.1% last year and reduced inflation to 1.9% from 9%.
*Biden cut child poverty in half through the American Rescue Plan
*Re-joined the Paris Agreement to fight Climate Change
*Provided $10k-$20k college debt relief for those who earn under $125k/yr.
*Biden united the West to help Ukraine fight Russia.
*Biden passed the first gun safety legislation in thirty years.
The following legislation was also passed during Biden's first term:
*bipartisan Infrastructure legislation
*The Electoral Count Act
*Science and CHIPS Act
*Respect for Marriage Act
*American Rescue Plan
*PACT Act (expands VA health benefits)
*Inflation Reduction Act (2022)
*Biden cracked down on junk fees
*Banned non-competes for workers
*Banned medical debt from Credit Reports
*Capped drug prices for seniors
*Expanded overtime pay
*Capped credit card fees
*Hyper-focusing on one thing is dangerous when it excludes ANY of the many accomplishments that have been made despite an insane and authoritarian republican cult party.
Trump:
Is an old lying pedophile philandering racist rapist, convicted of 34 felonies, liable for $464 million of business fraud, who ripped off thousands of people, stole top secret US military documents, and tried to violently overthrow the government.
Prior to the debate it was obvious to me that even if Biden had a superlative performance, it would not be enough to overcome the deficit that he had in the poling in the only demographic that will really matter in this election: The wobblers in the primary swing states- the people who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012, for Trump in 2016, Biden in 2020, and who are irritated as hell that neither party was able to come up with a better selection in 2024. These are the people who are trending toward Trump right now, because Trump has been articulating that he can solve the problems that they sense exist in this country, and who, for whatever reason, don't buy the line that Biden has been pushing that everything is hunky dory. In fact, everything is NOT OK. The nation, and the world, are facing some serious problems- that have the potential to end not just the Pax Americana that the world has enjoyed since 1945, and democracy, but also civilization, if we do not double down on our efforts to limit climate change, because the evidence shows that the consensus of scientists that we have the luxury of a few years to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is wrong. Instead, we have already past the tipping point when the warming effects will be accelerating at a rate that is increasing geometrically, and within a dozen years, millions of people will be dying from the effects. The point being, that those who are pushing for Biden to step down, are those who have removed the blinders that are preventing the Biden base from seeing that, while Biden has been exactly the President we needed in 2020, his cognitive decline is unmistakable, and the attempts by Biden's inner circle to conceal them amounts to the same kind of gaslighting that Putin's trolls have been engaged in so successfully that they have divided America against itself to the point of civil war, because Putin knows that he could never beat a United States. I am one of those people who is pushing for Biden to step down, and I can assure you that I am not an elite. It is my belief that the whichever party choses a young, vibrant, and articulate candidate will win in November. However, Democrats would win by the landslide that will be needed to win the House and Senate as well so that we can reverse the insanity SCOTUS has been perpetrating if during the Democratic Convention, the Democratic Party creates a democracy app that has an effect similar to what Reich does to pole opinion and stimulate discussion, and the Convention itself had a series of Zoom/Team workshops with a media showcase that makes "An Inconvenient Truth" and other relevant videos available for free to those who register, and who are verified as being real, registered voters. But the only way to attract the audience that will provide the platform, will be by Biden first announcing that he will be releasing his delegates
How many times has the Democratic party not rallied for the incumbent and, instead, wanted someone different?
Will someone young and vibrant actually be able to lead the country? Is there anyone who can stand up to Trump and the far-right Republicans?
No doubt that Biden looks and acts frail, but even throughout recent history, he's never had the "oopmph" and charisma that's needed to win over people. Trump, despite his also showing signs of having some dementia is charismatic and that IS moving people because like other dictators, starting out, it's their magnetism and strong personality that can get people believing the most incredible lies (and isn't that obvious?) and when lies are told over and over by Trump, his MAGA followers in Congress (or those not willing to publicly stand against him), believe it. It's sad.
Biden has gotten a tremendous amount accomplished during his term, but where do you see this in media and where the hell has the Democratic leadership been in not getting this out continuously over the past 4 years, and making sure that the public knows every time Biden has accomplished something else?
Trump had these huge plans (or so he told everyone) about this giant infrastructure bill he was going to get passed and get our roads, bridges, airports, etc. fixed up. Did we see anything from that? Yet, where has all the press been about Biden getting that passed and getting money out to the states to start fixing up our infrastructure?
Where has the Party been to make sure the public understands the REAL reason that grocery and housing prices are so high? It's NOT because of Biden? Why hasn't the Party been really active in getting out the word that our treasury is short trillions because of the tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations. WE certainly never saw any of this money in regards to raises. Where's the word getting out that these giant corporations have been spending their windfalls from, tax reductions, on billions of dollars of stock buybacks rather than putting it towards wages, and capital improvements?
I blame the Democratic party for much of this mess.
Dave, almost every media conglomerate is owned by trump supporting right wingers. The media refuses to report Biden & Harris successes for good reason! Trump will give them more tax breaks, less regulation.
CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, etc Sinclair Bros (trumpers) own 294 tv stations. This is how FASCISM works.
Yes. The future of democracy and civilization will get down to whether the Democratic Party can restructure the Convention into a media event and demonstration of participatory democracy with Zoom workshops on innumerable issues. It could draw on the huge talent pool that is available, including Dr. Reich., In that way Democrats could not only get people registered to vote as part of the Poling App registration, and build a movement similar to the "Wide Awake" youth movement that got Lincoln elected, but also channel the Palestinians protests that will otherwise have the potential to make 2024 look like Chicago, 1968 into workshop on solutions that can make recommendations' to the delegates. We can't repeat 1968 by nominating the vice president, either, as we know how that will turn out. Dean Phillips had the right idea. However Gretchen Whitmer has better bona fides. Whitmer as President with Howard Dean, or Al Gore as vice president would be an unbeatable team
The DNC Chair is not even a spokesperson for Democrats or the platform anymore. It's all about the duckets. Both parties know they make more money when they don't hold the White House. Making more money is the consolation prize for losing the WH or Congress.
We rarely see a former DNC Chair acting as a spokesperson for the Party or platform. The exception is Howard Dean, the architect of "the 50 State Strategy." He was the last party builder, IMO. As a party builder, Dean focused on building the party and getting small donations from average people. This is one reason why I'm advocating for Gov. Dean to step in a replace Joe. It's a matter of integrity. He's smart, progressive and deserves it a party leader.
Yes, money talks but 100% of us are influenced by Climate Change. Go stand outside !! We want a younger president who will be alive as this planet gets hotter. We can’t wait.
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How about Harris the Prosecutor over DJT the Prep? With Biden as VP. They would maintain their existing war chest to campaign. And make Pete Buttigieg Climate Czar. That’s the easiest sell to the millions who aren’t paying attention.
Lawrence O’Donnell’s show last night on MSNBC is must watching. He showed clips of President Biden that are not being shown elsewhere. Why is no one else showing the footage of his meeting with the AFL-CIO yesterday to accept their endorsement. Biden is one of the most pro-union Presidents we have ever had.
I have read that so many voters haven't heard of the, Project 2025 fascist takeover plan that TUMP falsely says he doesn't know anything about. I just hope there is a way that horrible manifesto can be heard by every voter in the United States before the election. The MSM certainly isn't going to mention it in their news broadcasts or anything about unions either.
I was a union member and union officer for 35 years and even back then the MSM only reported about them with negative reporting especially when we went on strike!
I think the postcard writing groups should get all over Project 2025. It's a 900 page printed document so the Heritage Foundation has obviously been working on it a long time for it just to have come to our attention. I did learn about it at least a year ago but it needs to be out there compared to what Biden has been working on and accomplishing for the last 3.5 years. Democrats tend to be polite and respectful of traditional manners. I know my jaw dropped and I was stunned by trump's vomitus of lies and juvenile name-calling during the debate and was shocked that the moderators let it all go. Maybe it was President Biden's job to call trump out but isn't a debate supposed to be based on comparing and contrasting FACTS? Shouldn't THAT be a RULE? Shouldn't each side be persuading the listeners which side is more palatable and sensible? Do they have to cut off microphones in normal debates?
Yes! A friend just told me that the Heritage Foundation is violated ots 501C non-profit charter by engaging in politics. I don’t know, but is there someone who could after them on a legal basis?
According to my friend's info, ANYONE can file a complaint or report or whatever the procedure is. It can be done now, according to her. I'll have to research where & how to file a report.
Gloria Johnson, you just answered your own question. Why are the corporate business media not showing video of Biden at a union event? Well, we know the answer. Unions are their mortal enemies.
I watched that bit, starting here: https://youtu.be/fERNPp4G2Sw?t=858. Well worth listening to if you are wondering how Biden behaves without a teleprompter. Yes, it is a friendly audience, he is not under pressure there--but damn, if only I could be this smooth. Impressive.
O'Donnell shows a clip of what Trump said on the stump yesterday after for contrast. Trump should be forced to speak extemporaneously as well--he should be placed under the same microscope. He produces word salads despite having a teleprompter in front of him, imagine what will come out of his mouth without reminders of what he is required to talk about.
Gloria, As I wrote to Marc Nevas, I don’t expect enough of would-be supporters were sufficiently comforted by Biden’s brief unscripted visit to Washington’s affable AFL—CIO headquarters. Instead, I believe I speak for many when I submit that our anxieties only would be alleviated were Biden, over and over again, to present himself in demanding unscripted situations and demonstrate he can forcefully represent his record and prosecute the case against Donald Trump.
Absent that, as I repeatedly have submitted, while there’s still time, presuming Biden would release his delegates, I view an open convention, wherein a roster of qualified candidates battle for the nomination, as our best shot at defeating Trump in November.
A word about Harris: albeit unfairly, I believe enough voters view her as too progressive, even more unfairly exasperated by her color, that I would be concerned were she to be automatically anointed.
With all due respect, I think you are totally off base here. Biden has proved he’s up to the job - by actually DOING it. Anyone new is starting from scratch. Besides, some are all excited about Whitmer, sure. But others like Shapiro or Newsom. So who’s going to decide at this late date. Millions of voters will be furious if Kamala gets passed over. They really like her. And there’s the money. They can’t access all the campaign money already designated for Biden/Harris. And guess what? Republicans are just waiting to pounce on last minute changes to the ballots. They’re already making plans to legally challenge any changes dems want to make to the ballots in key states. So let’s get real here. Biden says he’s in. He was legitimately voted for in the primaries when people already knew he was old. And still chose him. He’s our candidate. Let’s stop this self implosion and get out there after the real guy we need to defeat.
Barbara, I also feel I speak for many based on what I hear. And I don’t agree with you. Neither of us actually speak for anyone, so please don’t elevate yourself to that.
@SeekingReason, When I wrote, “I believe I speak for many…”, I wasn’t passing off my remark as fact but as a belief that I stand by based on my tirelessly reaching out across the country for help formulating virtually every view I hold.
Btw, I should note, speaking for at least half of my postings, I pray to God I’m wrong.
@SeekingReason, Hence, we should regard one another as worthy opponents, recognizing that intelligent and sincere people can have fundamental disagreements about complex matters, relishing what we can learn from one another.
Steve, I could be comforted were Biden, at least for the next 4 months, to muster sufficient acumen to project, even under the most demanding circumstances, that he effectively could represent his record, show the way forward, and prosecute the case against Donald Trump.
In the alternative, I would be comforted were Biden to release his delegates to a Party committed to unifying under the auspices of an open convention.
I have a question about the debate: I heard or read somewhere that in the debate, Trump would often continue speaking (with his mic off but still in earshot of President Biden) while Biden was answering a question. This would make it awfully hard for anyone to think clearly. I haven’t seen much about this, and wanted to get some confirmation, one way or another. Anyone know about this or did I misunderstand?
Unfortunately, we all probably should have seen this coming. The Biden administration's admirable focus on jobs, anti-trust, worker's rights, etc. was always going to make the Persident a target.
Yes, but that ISN'T what has led to a falling away of support for him. Did you watch the debate (not just clips)? Have you read the reports of others? His campaign is finished, like it or not. We must get him to acknoledge it. Would I like a healthy and younger Biden for 4 more years? Would I votr for him regardless? You bet. But the handwriting is on the wall--he cannot rise above this, nor can we put him there without help from other voters (and yes, donors, some of whom are wealthy) who are now likely not to vote for him or simply not come to the polls!
Probably we should have seen this coming. But don't really think it was my job vis-a-vis Dem leaders and advisors who thought it a good idea to have a debate. They never asked me.
I agree with George Clooney. Is Biden a viable candidate? I apply the 'Martian Visitor' test. Question: 'With a population of over 300 million, why have you selected a tired, elderly grandfatherly guy who has already served his country with distinction, but is now handicapped by the natural progression of old age and probably would not last a 4-year term?' We all love Joe Biden, but there is no logic behind having him run. He is NOT the ONLY person who can beat Trump! And that view is disturbingly Trumpian! Sadly, I think Biden is putting himself before country on this occasion and his obstinacy is worrying.
Colin Webster. Voters, 14 million of them voted in the Primary for Biden. He has been evaluated and there is no evidence that he is compromised. TRump lost the "debate". CNN failed at "Moderating" the debate. And telling tRump to answer questions. Also no fact checking of his many many lies, that President Biden could not answer fast enough in 2 minutes per lie. I would like to see people like you debate with tRump. It would be justice. Your support for tRump is worrying.
You have completely misunderstood my post, Laurie Blair!
1. The only reason Biden is the only person who has beaten Trump is that he is the only one to have so far been able to try!
2. Yes, a lot of people voted for Biden in the primaries - and a lot of people didn't. His rate of decline since the primaries has been sad and significant.
3. He has REFUSED to be evaluated for cognitive decline, so there is no evidence that he has NOT been compromised.
4. Who are 'people like me'? That's a stupid generalisation bordering on a racist comment. Why would me debating Trump be 'justice'? Have I committed a crime that requires punishment?
5. Where did I say I supported Trump? He is a dangerous lunatic who must be stopped, but I believe that Biden is not the best person to do that because he is not the man he was 4 years ago, when, as you say, he did 'beat Trump'. At 81, he is now no longer able to function adequately 24/7 and you don't need to have a degree in neurology to see that. I am 80, so I know what I am talking about when it comes to mental and physical decline.
6. Finally, I re-iterate than I am NOT a Trump supporter, and I object to you calling me one. Please read posts more carefully in future.
Thank you Colin! Agree 100%. This 74 year old, with a son in the Navy, wants a Commander in Chief who can be energetic and articulate whenever a crisis presents itself. I am not dismissing Biden’s significant accomplishments. I am just acknowledging that “crumbling infrastructure” doesn’t just happen to roads and bridges.
Thank you for defending yourself, Colin, so eloquently and adequately. Laurie has a tendency to start throwing thoughtless barbs when someone disagrees with her.
Thanks, Klare. I like your 'thoughtless barbs' - might use it myself someday! People should be able to disagree with respect and without personal insults.
2. I know nothing about the primaries. President Biden’s last annual medical checkup is posted on the White House website and I read it. He was recently diagnosed with sleep-apnea & has been using the
positive airway pressure device over his face when he sleeps. My point is, sleep apnea significant enough to warrant using a C-PAP machine at night would have affected his ability to be alert, his general demeanor, his ability to think and his memory.
3. What do you think will happen if Biden takes a cognitive ability test? Regardless of the results, Magas will get ahold of it, pick it apart, make fun of
it, impune the reputation of the physician who gave it and and use it to further attack Biden’s cognitive ability. In other words, it would be the equivalent of walking into a trap. I would refuse to take as well.
He can defend himself by pointing out what he’s
accomplished.
4, 5 &6 no comment
Here’s a partial list of what Biden has accomplished from Special Prosecutor Jack Smith:
“Democrats manufacture reasons every day to abandon the guy who beat Trump in 2020, passed historic legislation in his first term, capably managed us out of a global pandemic and from the brink of a crippling recession, created more jobs than any of his predecessors in over 50 years, made record investments in American infrastructure, took on Big Pharma to lower costs, took on tax loopholes for billionaires, brought back manufacturing jobs we had lost to China, got more Americans on affordable health care, backed union workers at every turn, strengthened our global alliances, fortified NATO against Putin’s aggression, all because he’s old and sometimes acts old.”
There can be no rational choice of a candidate by voters in a primary if thenorimary is not contested properly. Tradition may have it that an incumbent President should not be seriously challenges, but this election is about more than one man’s pride. I am shocked that Biden, who claims he knows what is at stake, has put pride before duty. He, himself, has said that he can name 50 democrats who could beat Trump. Yet he will be happy in January if he lost but “gave it his all and tries his best” even if he loses. This shows a serious misubderstanding of priorities. The election is not about him trying his best but what about is right for the country. If the road to success for the American prople is through a Democrat other than him, then I am surprised he does not have the dignity and sense of duty to step aside. Maybe he was never who I thought he was.
Well said, Raymond. With each passing day, it seems that Biden and his commendably loyal supporters are entering the realms of self-delusion. Biden is not helping the country (or the world!) by 'fighting' to stay in the race.
Hehe. Now that time has passed, it seems that Democrats are fighting as a party to stay in the race rather than sticking with Biden to the bitter end. Honestly, sticking with Biden felt like giving up rather than fighting for what was right. So glad he dropped out!
Thank you. While I generally agree with Prof. Reich about the issue of money, he is very wrong in this case. No sane Democrat is wishing for this at this late stage. Biden's horrific performance and the possibility of Trump winning are what has brought us here.
*Biden passed much needed legislation after trump mangled the pandemic, destroyed the economy and led a deadly INSURRECTION to overthrow the government.
*Biden lowered unemployment from 6.3% to 3.5% and has held the unemployment rate below 4% for the longest period in 50 years!
*Biden created 15 million jobs in a little over 3 years (A Record).
*Bidenomics grew the economy at 3.1% last year and reduced inflation to 1.9% from 9%.
*Biden cut child poverty in half through the American Rescue Plan
*Re-joined the Paris Agreement to fight Climate Change
*Provided $10k-$20k college debt relief for those who earn under $125k/yr.
*Biden united the West to help Ukraine fight Russia.
*Biden passed the first gun safety legislation in thirty years.
The following legislation was also passed during Biden's first term:
*bipartisan Infrastructure legislation
*The Electoral Count Act
*Science and CHIPS Act
*Respect for Marriage Act
*American Rescue Plan
*PACT Act (expands VA health benefits)
*Inflation Reduction Act (2022)
*Biden cracked down on junk fees
*Banned non-competes for workers
*Banned medical debt from Credit Reports
*Capped drug prices for seniors
*Expanded overtime pay
*Capped credit card fees
*Hyper-focusing on one thing is dangerous when it excludes ANY of the many accomplishments that have been made despite an insane and authoritarian republican cult party.
One guy is old. The other guy is an old lying pedophile philandering racist rapist, convicted of 34 felonies, liable for $464 million of business fraud, who ripped off thousands of people, stole top secret US military documents, and tried to violently overthrow the government.
You are absolutely right when you say that Biden has done, and is doing, a great job. Please read my previous comment again. I am worried about his FUTURE performance in the light of his inevitable mental and physical deterioration over the next 4-5 years.
Those are certainly points in Biden's favor. But that sidesteps the issue of his recent abd growing physical and cognitive decline, and his age--which voters were largely okay with (and as almost no Dems challenged him, the incumbant (which is normal procedure) until his physical/cognitivr issues became more (and in the casenof tbe debate, VERY) prominent. The issuw isn't Joe Biden's personality nor accomplishments, but rather his abiljty to effectively campaign and beat Trump, then do his job for ankther 4 years. We're all on the same sude here--we want to be Trump.
Have you seen him at all of his meetings since the debate? We have all the accomplishments listed above, which doesn’t sidestep the issue at all. We want someone with proven results. We should have a discussion about age after this election. Democrats do not agree on things together easily, as we can see. Not all bad but we will never agree who the single best person to replace Biden would be at 4 months from the election. It is not the answer people think it is. Meanwhile, we’ve got a competent VP who can take over should Biden die in office (I certainly hope not). But I think there is a good administration that we already know can accomplish things. And especially with a Blue majority Congress…no duds or pretend Democrats, rock solid majority in Congress.
I will vote for Biden if he is the nominee. I love Joe, his experience, and his policies. That isn't the issue. What is the issue is that millions of Americans have now seen and woken up to Biden's age-related issues, which raised their "big ugly head" on debate night. While you and I will still vote for him, the concern is that enough won't (perhaps not vote at all) to elect Trump. That's the reason you're seeing Biden's support slipping, which is already reflected in polling and fundraising.
Yes Colin, there is logic behind having Biden run.
Think of it this way—there’s the election and there’s what happens after the election. Biden wins the election and VP Harris takes over at some point.
Biden’s admin.or team is still intact and long-term
projects (infrastructure upgrades/climate change mitigation) will continue.
You might say, then why isn’t VP Harris at the top of the ticket now? Well, if she’s the Dem candidate for
president, the American Nazis/maga/evangelical/
white nationalists will savage her mercilessly. They
will research her personal & professional lives for
dirt. If they don’t find any dirt they’ll make stuff up.
And they will badger her, accuse her, belittle her &
harass her right up to the day of the election. Don’t
forget—many, if not most magas are hard-core racists and it could get very ugly, very fast.
Magas tried to find dirt on Biden for the last 5 yrs,
without any luck. They then made stuff up, but
none of it stuck. The only success they’ve had is
their post-debate smear about his age. We don’t know what may be lurking in VP Harris’ past.There may be nothing. If so, they’ll make up some outrageous nonsense, but a.)we don’t know how she’ll handle it & b.) why put her through that if
we don’t have to? There’s nothing to be gained by
having her at the top of the ticket, and everything
to lose. Magas will still harass her, but it’s much
easier to handle if you don’t have the fate of the Western world depending on you.
Biden, the tired, elderly grandfather, can’t do anything about his age, but he can counter that
argument of being too old with his track record
as President. What he’s managed to get done in
the last 3.5 years is truly remarkable. Here’s a
short list: We have the best post-pandemic economy in the world, the stock market is
reaching new highs, more people are on Affordable Care because Biden put more subsidies into it. Unemployment is at record lows for a record
The difficulty is that all this should have been said, debated and decided before the primaries! Now we're walking on thin ice to come together...which we have to to before the election.
In the end and as usual, Money decides whether US will remain a democracy or not, and it actually seems to be legal.... let me tell you, most Big money and Big businesses don't like democracy because it hinders them from growing their profits over the back of the people. . Democrats seem to have lost their say in this because they seemingly are unable to unite for Democracy and........ they also depend on sponsors. Only mobilising the masses to defend democracy can turn the table
Hans, let's hope that all the work being done by people on this substack and Daily Kos and other groups will mobilize the masses to go and vote on election day! Vote Blue, America!
Yes. Only a grassroots political rebellion against the morbidly wealthy celebrity endorsed self referencing establishment, which is holding US politics to ransom, can rescue social democracy.
Donald Trump and the far-right religious separatists see the Democratic party as a danger to this country and our people. The blind efforts put forth by the conservative movement frozen within the Republican party is Trump's handle on maintaining control over his estranged group of followers. There is no positive element hidden within that group's intentions. There for, all Trump's efforts go into creating the image of control fed by the steady stream of lies he offers to his flock of losers. Sooner or later, you would think his people would simply say, "This makes no sense." Joe may stutter but at least he tells the truth, and he isn't a convicted criminal.
I was thinking about Joe Biden & realized why I have always, ALWAYS, liked him. He is a man of the people. Some of his past views have been condemned as contradicting what he now espouses but he is honest about how he feels & he has evolved as the nation has evolved. He sees a need for something & works to put a voice to it. I am so proud of him as president.
"Santayana said the reason that old people have nothing but foreboding about the future is that they cannot imagine a world that’s good without themselves in it. I don’t share that view. To the contrary, I think my generation — including Bill and Hillary, George W., Trump, Newt Gingrich, Clarence Thomas, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Biden – have fucked it up royally. The world will probably be better without us.
When Robert Reich wrote this in July 2022, this was relevant. Today it is as Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer expressed, it is not the time to be fantasizing on who would be the best candidate. It is the time to be supporting the candidate we have. There are 4 months to mount a campaign for a new candidate. That is enough time to give the public reason to truly think the democratic party has lost its mind.
I have full confidence in Biden's ability to run and win his reelection bid. To hell with the elites.
The elites must be sniffing that they will be better off with a trumpie boy win. Money money money.
Michael, one of the problems we have is that the elites are so busy feeding their addiction to power and money they can't see into the future at all. They don't realize Trump is more addicted than they are and is also in the throes of dementia. I am guessing they think they can manipulate Trump into doing whatever they want, not realizing Trump is out for only one person, Donald Trump, the toddler-man who is ignorant of nearly everything that is going on. I keep wondering if he is wearing a communication device of some kind so his handlers can feed him lines he can spout, that are not too difficult so that if he gets lost in what he is saying, it won't get him into too much trouble with his cult members. What is being done to Biden is ageism pure and simple and explains why conditions many older people are living under are so horrific, particularly in nursing homes and other medical facilities. Old people are expendable and should be able to do nothing important, right! It's infuriating!
"It's is not the time to be fantasizing about who would be the best candidate" There is no fantasy Gretchen Whitmer. Except perhaps on your part. Joe Biden won the Primary and IS the candidate, not you..14 million voters voted for him in that primary. His health has been evaluated, and he wants to stay in the campaign. His track record speaks for itself.He certainly is capable, and his running mate, Kamala Harris is too. I plan to send another $25 donation again, today.
Oh come on, Michael. Whitner is a surrogate for the campaign. If it was relevant in 2022, it magnitudes more relevant now after Biden's physical and cognitive slide has become more pronounced. Every Democrat, regardless of support status for Biden, wants to beat Trump. That includes the donor class. Only one person is to blame here---Biden. I love him, I will vote for him if he is the nominee. But the building and difficult-to-refute consensus now is that if he stays in, Biden will lose, perhaps hugely.
And everyone I have talked with personally--friends, relatives, none of us anything close to "elites", has the same concerns that I have expressed here. Robert's attempt to frame this as rich vs the rest of us is completely off base in this instance.
If this isn’t the most liked quote of the day I will be shocked. If Reich’s train of thought was a race car it’s been in a figure eight course since the debate from hell
I think you shouldn’t ignore the millions of Democrats who have consistently said Biden was too old to seek another term. All polling has indicated this desire for other candidates and the donor class while influential, has not created this reality. Biden correctly identified the danger of another Trump term and now that it is clear he will in all likelihood lose to Trump he needs to step aside. One cannot ignore the polls you don’t like and embrace the ones you do when the stakes are this high.
How is it clear that Biden will lose to Trump? It was also clear a short while ago that Macron would lose to Le Pen, or that Democratic candidates would be swept away in the midterms by a red wave. In no way is it clear that Biden will lose.
All of the polling from swing states since the debate underscore the likelihood of a defeat. As to mid terms the Dobbs decision was crucial. All I saying is that many of us have long believed that Biden has been an excellent president but is also a terrible candidate given his age and acuity. There is no evidence that he can recover politically from the debate debacle and expecting 50 million people to “un remember” what they saw is not a likely outcome.
What, does Dobbs not remain a huge liability for Republicans today? Americans still broadly oppose the decision. As for Biden's political prospects, you say there is no evidence he can recover. You seem quick to write the president off as having been mortally wounded by the debate, yet there is no "evidence" of that either.
Only the polling and reaction of many of us who for the last year have been saying he is too old. When large numbers of Democrats believe he is not capable of being president for four more years according to multiple surveys, how can one not seek out a candidate better positioned to defeat Trump?
When asked "should Biden drop out" people say yes, but when asked about his replacement the answers are scattershot. Biden consistently polls as our best shot of winning.
14 million Democrat votes in the Primary for Presiden Biden refutes the "multiple surveys. You cannot find a better candidate. He has shown this in this term. Biden is Great. He gets the job done.
We did not have a real primary. There were zero serious opposing candidates (Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson) and no debates. In 2019 there were 29 D candidates by 2020 it had narrowed to 9 D candidates. Voters had a chance to hear multiple viewpoints from solid experienced candidates…Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Amy Klobuchar, Pete Buttigieg etc.
Kamala Harris is there to take over if anything happens to Joe. Perhaps you don't want that? The best thing all of you who want someone else could possibly do is support & vote for all democrats & stop fussing. We have a fight between democracy & fascism & there is only one way to deal with that. Vote blue & get as many others to vote blue as you can. Democracy has to win. Are you aware of the things he has been able to accomplish? He has restored more to American families than anyone & all of that in the wake of the disaster of a trump presidency. I take it you are too young to remember 1968? Another point is trump's ability to purchase polls which was demonstrated during his trial.
Polls are trolls: those who own them want to manipulate US . I have seen enough: if you have not, you are not qualified to weigh in, because you are blind
I think the trolls are showing their true colors as we get closer to the election. The media too.and donors like George, Clooney, the actor., who is saying Biden should step down.
It's not clear - nothing is 'clear' - but the U.S. is not France. No way the strategy of coalition building would work here in the U.S. Simply not structured that way.
I agree. I think Biden can win. I just think that others have better odds. Though I worry about what the Party comes up with if they don't decide through the voice of the rank and file.
I understand what you are saying, Allan; however, I do not pay any attention to the polls. They are simply not consistent. I will support President Biden and vote for him. If he decides to step away, I will vote for the candidate that does run because the truth is, if we do not support the candidate running against the orange man, we will not be able to truly vote again! Vote Blue, America!
The polls are trolls, owned by the billionaires, mostly. Propaganda like this is everywhere. Biden is the best President we have had in recent memory, who supports the Common Good. He gets my vote,
Alan Katz: 14 million voters wanted Joe Biden enough to vote for him in the Primary, and he won. He Is the candidate. TRump tried to weaponize the "debate" and the piling on continues. He has shown himself to be a good President: His track record speaks for itsrlf, if voters would only look at it . I will send another $25 donation when I can. And I will vote for him. Why are so many rooting for tRump? Is it possible that there are trolls here?
The facts are that as an incumbent President who has done a good job, he had no opposition based on any burning issue inside the party. What is also true is that at his age he should have passed the torch to the next generation and maintained a great legacy. We agree that Trump is awful. For those of us who believe Biden cannot beat him we need to try for a different candidate. If in the end Biden remains the candidate (which i believe would be a very selfish act) I will of course support him. My fear if a Trump return is what motivates me and others to urge him to step aside.
Allan, who do you think this “different candidate” will be? Because having been around long enough to know Democrats will NEVER agree at this point who that should be! Biden has announced intent to stay MOVE ON!
I agree we need an influx of young democrats in power but pursuing it at this point in time presents democrats as being fragmented which plays too much into MAGAs hands & weakens yet further Biden's position. It is unwise & I do not usually think this way but reality bites us in the ass at times to make us pay attention.
Allan Katz: with the stakes this high, we should get behind our candidate : not mess with this at this late date. If you cN'tcsee that, you have not been paying attention, or you are a troll working for the enemy.
Money makes the world go around, the world go around 🎶 (Cabaret). Campaign finance reform and abolish the Electoral College. No other way will this country ever achieve true democracy.
The challenge for me is now that people have it set in front of their faces just what is going on and who it is that is making the political decisions, will they/we stand up and say "No more!" and actually listen to the candidates and support those who have the best interest of the American people in mind when they take positions? We have let rich mostly white men and corporations rule here for far too long. We give them special tax privileges and loopholes no one else can use. We let them spend millions of their own money to buy elections as in PA, OH, WI, and MT. No person should be able to put more than a couple of thousand dollars toward a campaign and no utilities should ever be able to donate to any candidate or PAC. I can't help but wonder when We the People are going to start electing people who actually care about us instead of those with slick ads on the various media. If people took a moment to really pay attention, they see some things very clearly: Trump has no business being in any office, a convicted criminal who constantly cheats and lies and has hired a lot of people who will do that for him and pretend it's legal. People would also know that rich businessmen do not make good senators or legislators at any level. Their business is their main focus and bringing in the bucks, legislation is next to irrelevant. Biden is not perfect, but the truth is, no matter a person's age, they are not perfect, no matter what the rich donors believe. Besides they are looking for candidates who can be manipulated to do as those donors demand.
And perhaps that is one of the biggest arguments for why Americans should elect Biden. He is privy to that special clarity that only comes with advanced age. The room to manipulate him is small...
Tara : yes, and Biden has a lot of experience in government. He knows what is going on. He still prefers to serve US in the Common Good. He has skills, and with all he has been able to accomplish against all odds, he will prevail against the dark cloud ☁️ that looms over this election. All we have to do is unify against this threat and vote! " The only thing to fear, is fear itself" and "Never Again! ". Will we allow the evil tyranny of hate rule again. Anywhere in the 🌎 world!
Yes, I think it important to see who is trying to push Biden out, but it's still complicated. Big money donors are almost always to the right of Biden, and his plans to raise taxes on the uber wealthy. At the same time there is a legitimate concern but at this point isn't the main issue that this infighting must come to an end? I think Biden would be better than the mentioned alternatives. So Clooney et al, stop your squawking and unite to beat Trump.
Sadly, these wealthy funders are the only ones not subject to threats if they speak the truth. The electeds, IMO, have a lot to lose by voicing their concerns. Rep. Adam Smith and Senator Peter Welch are courageous in sharing their fears. The other Dems have something they fear losing if they are honest, and I cannot imagine how they think the tiny fraction of persuadables in the swing states can stick with a man whose decline is irreversible. It's a reality that the millionaires are taking more seriously than the electeds.
I think that many Democrats (myself included) think that other leading Democratic candidates would have a significantly greater chance of defeating Trump than Biden does. In fact, in a July 2nd post-debate CNN poll, 75% of Democrats said that Democrats would have a better chance of winning with a candidate other than Biden. And that 75% is clearly mostly made up of people who are not major donors. So I think that it's clearly wrong to say or imply that the only group that overwhelmingly wants Biden to withdraw are major donors.
I think that the only reasons that more elected Democrats haven't called for Biden to withdraw yet are (1) they know the important NATO Conference is going on this week, and don't want to embarrass him while that is going on, (2) Biden is scheduled to give his first full news conference in quite a while today, and many Democrats want to give him "one last chance" to show that he's up to the task of defeating Trump, and (3) they're hoping that some Democratic leaders can privately convince Biden to withdraw without having a huge number of Democrats publicly call for his withdrawal, which might trigger an "Oh, yeah???" defensive reaction on Biden's part.
We will probably soon see which way it's going to go.
My concern is that polls are mostly irrelevant statistically speaking. 75% of how many polled who answered? 100? 500? 25? The number answering the poll must be reported to know how relevant the percentage is. If 75% of 200,000 polled agree, then there is reason to think that 75% of the number of all voters would agree. Only reported percentages are not indicative of a consensus.
Explain to me, someone, why my belief is wrong that a Dem nominee who is an articulate white, not old man, who is centrist/centrist-left , will likely beat Trump. The electorate is not so keen on Trump. They want another major party choice besides Biden and Trump.
But Biden must step aside. It’s not just rich donors who want him to leave. From ABC News: “Two-thirds of Americans in a new ABC News/Washington Post/Ipsos poll – including a majority of Joe Biden’s own supporters – say he should step aside as his party’s presumptive nominee for president given his debate performance two weeks ago.”
Robert Reich could not be more correct. Be at the Republicans or the Democrats money talks, and everyone else walks.
Do we really have a working two party democracy when both parties are led by the necessity of trying to outspend each other, therefore, giving the wealthiest an unequal say in both parties?
Marc, I've been thinking and I think when this election is over and President Biden is once again in the White House, those of us that want to see better governing and better politicians could maybe start a third party. It could be called the Centrist Party and would call for those people who want to see control of our government back in the hands of those politicians that are not far right, not far left but in the middle and are willing to work with one another for the good of our country and the American people. I am tired of the wild chaos from the far ends of the right and left calling the shots and keeping the American people constantly on pins and needles. If we had that, we could begin to work on dismantling these huge corporations and mega conglomerates. We could make our country work for everyone not just a few. Minority groups would be targeted less, children wouldn't be hungry and could go to school without fear of some crazed person taking their life, women would be in control of their own bodies, and hate groups would be dealt with. The Centrist Party would be made up of the silent majority that goes about their lives voting when called on and living their lives in peace. Crazy idea but I do like the sound of it!!
I think that's what most people want (the silent majority)...just common sense, fairness, tolerance and freedom. To live a decent life without constant chaos and worry about crazy people wanting power, killing innocent people including their own family members, taking the cheap way out to make themselves more money while poisoning the earth, our air and water and minds. We need to dial back on the drama and realign our values and priorities. Work towards big goals and dreams but with intrgrity and without collateral damage. People get bored, I understand. But surely there's enough projects with honorable outcomes to keep everyone busy without destroying our planet and the species who live here. Think ahead and no matter what religion you are, most have the concept (or common sense) to DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO UNTO YOU.
I prefer your stance. It is personified by the likes of Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Alexandria Cortez.
Don't forget Jasmine Crockett, Jamie Raskin, Jared Moskowitz,
Beautifully put, Sharon! We most definitely need the golden rule right now!
This New Party could be called, 'America First!'... People tend to forget that close to 1/2 of American Households live Paycheck-2-Paycheck... The Elites are fighting over the Spoils of the current Gilded-Age... Remember Teddy Roosevelt's "Square-Deal', and FDR's 'Four Freedoms'?... The U.S. Constitution begins with, 'We the People Of The United States In Order To Form A More Perfect Union...' ... Progress is a Continuous Process... It is becoming increasingly a Necessity in order to address the looming Crisis-ii of Climate-Change, and AI in addition to others... Going back to a illusionary 'Golden-Age' of 100-Years ago is Stupid & Insane...
NOOOOOOOOO! America First is the Fascist party that Lingberg fan of Nazis and Hitler was associated pre WWII. No no no.
Molly thanks for the correction... This new Party should have as it's Slogan, 'The Greatest Good, For The Greatest Number'....
It’s worth considering the Forward party, which already exists and is trying to be more democratic.
I just want sensible health care without the strings of the Insurance Industry.
Watch the documentary “Bad Faith.” It’s a crash course in how the GOP became what it is today.
However, it’s probably best if you watch it in 2-3
sittings.
interesting. thank you for the suggestion. i will watch. the more i understand, the better i think. recently, the rest of my family are now maga! for generations we have been union and labor force activists. i have some inklings - but, they do not make sense.
Make sure your family watches it too, so that they know what they’re signing up for. The entire movement is built on fear.
Fear:
1.someone will take
something away from
you.
2. you won’t get what
you want.
It’s a powerful documentary. The roots of the Nationalistic Christian movement in our country is not new. What’s scary about it is the slow methodical pace of growing itself over the last many decades. It has culminated in a 900+ page
document which threatens our country’s existence as we know it.
It is past time for the Dem's when back in office to demand an audit for all of the religious groups in this country. The original deal was you folks keep you nose in the Bible and out of politics and the government will keep it's nose out of religion and give you a big tax break the same time. The past few decades have proved this isn't a solution that's working. It is time for them to shut up and stay in their churches or be taxed like a business. Cheers... GH
Watch the full documentary in one sitting if you truly want to feel the full impact of the information.
Everyone is equal under the law.
Peggy Freeman, I used to think I was a centrist. Who knows maybe I still am? In these last eight yesrs, I have found myself asking, what do I think the middle is and how do other people define it. I have come to three conclusions.
One the middle is an abstract concept, open to differing definitions by everyday people. So it limits our conversations and can cause conflict. Two, I like the words progressive and regressive because they are honest in a historical and right this moment context, but the words are also still limiting and can cause conflict. Thirdly, and most importantly, I think the continuum we put ourselves and others onto boils quite nicely down to 2 questions. 1. Do we believe in fairness and equality/equity for all or fairness just for the group we identify mostly with? 2. Do we want to punish, neglect, harm, control, exploit any group? If we could ask ourselves these questions and have honest conversations with each other, I believe we could make great progress becausr we all become more self-aware and every ancient wisdom tradition and wise person says that is the key to positive, societal transformation.
I like that thought, M Tree. I used Centrist to describe what I think is considered in the middle where politicians could come together and iron out any differences in order to pass legislation that would help all of us. Right now, it seems there is a 'my way or the highway' mentality playing out in Congress. Americans would benefit if that type of thinking was excluded. I do believe in fairness and equality/equity for everybody not just one particular group. I don't want to punish any group. I believe that when we realize we are all a part of the human race and no one is better or worse than the other, it is possible to come together and work together for the benefit of all.
Peggy Freeman, yes I agree. I think both us want fairness for all and have no unconscious desire to harm or neglect anyone. And your idea that compromise is a hallmark of good government that we should intentionally find our way back to, I completely agree with. I think where someone is on my fairness continuum works with your important desire. Those like us who want fairness for all (equality/equity) could compromise with others striving for the same. thing.
The rub is, those not striving for fairness for all but for power over others, are unwilling to compromise. I saw or read an interview with Newt Gingrich a few years ago, he gleefully recounted how he had destroyed Republicans penchant for compromising with Democrats in Congress. He said he told them winning was most important and they couldn't win if they comprised and that those who still wanted to be friends with D's and compromise, he ran primary candidates against them and forced them out. So I would say Republicans and only Republicans have a 30+ year habit of being anti-compromise because fairness for all is not an option they like.
Thank you, M Tree! I did not know where or when republicans decided to stop compromising! I should have know it was that idiot, Newt Gingrich! Since then, it has been a steady downhill trajectory!
thank you M Tree. speaking of fairness and freedom for all, including the freedom to vote:
https://www.brennancenter.org/
Georgia’s New Voter Challenge Law Raises Alarm
A Georgia law implemented this month makes it easier for citizens to challenge their neighbors’ ability to vote, increasing the risk of voter disenfranchisement. The law, fueled by false claims of widespread election fraud in 2020, has already led to mass challenges that will require dozens of voters to take extra steps to have their ballots counted this fall. Some Georgia counties are trying to mitigate the law’s impact by requiring stronger evidence of a voter’s supposed ineligibility. Even still, inviting frivolous voter challenges wastes election officials’ time and spreads disinformation, eroding trust in the electoral process.
I've been trying to alert people to the fact that the terrorist organization known as the republican party is trying to subvert the upcoming election. they have the money (oh do they have the money) and a motive of revenge for being very narrowly thwarted in 2020. The above tactic is just one of a huge playbook, and seriously threatens to put drumpf back in power.
That is why I advocate for Biden to do his constitutional duty and arrest and hold without habeas corpus, all the domestic terrorists who tried to overthrow the 2020 election. If he doesn't do that, drumpf after being elected will do that to Biden, and then start coming after you. think about it.
Oh yes! Gingrich started the great divide. Thx for the reminder of that.
Peggy, when. I think of centrists I think of incrementalism. What you're describing seems more like bipartisanship to me. I consider myself a progressive, and yet I believe in everything you're saying. Progressives believe that there's no time to waste in solving our dire problems. Isn't that what you would like to see?
Paula, any way you slice it and no matter what you call it, I guess I do want to see bipartisanship in our government again. We definitely do not have any time to waste in order to right Democracy's ship! Vote Blue, America!!
Yes…
The mysognists are in great fear of your ideas. As someone who was bullied throughout school, survival of the the mysognysyic fittest is not the world I could survive in (The Trumpian mysgonists think that empathy and inclusion is weakness). In a world that on its social media face seems devoid of empathy and inclusion, those 2 things and what you say is definitely more of what we need.
Bill, I certainly hope they are in fear of these ideas. The thought of you being bullied in school makes me very angry. As a retired teacher, I know how harmful bullying can be. I worked with my students to teach them how to address a bully. I also worked on the bullies. What I found to be, more often than not, the bully came from a sad situation at home. The bully felt if he didn't show how tough he was, he would suffer. I would talk to him/her (yes, there are girl bullies, too!) and find ways for them to be applauded by their peers. They soon realized the good they did brought acceptance which is what a lot of them wanted. Through our discussions they began to understand what friendship and acceptance meant and the harmful effects of bullying. Some times it worked - other times it did not as in the orange man's case. I consider you strong because you are willing to discuss how you were bullied but you overcame it. Empathy, inclusion, compassion and acceptance are all part of a strong personality. The weakness as I see it, are those who derive pleasure from inflicting pain, intimidating, and general nastiness. Stay strong, Bill, I got your back as do a lot of the followers on this substack! Vote Blue, America!
Right on the money Peggy. I knew a friendly, funny guy in high school that everyone liked. Problem was several days a week he would show up staring daggers and with a hateful look on his face. He would pick a fight with any guy with no notice. It was years later we found out his dad would come home drunk several times a week and beat the hell out of him and his brother. In the 1960's there wasn't much understanding or help for these things. Lucky he overcame it and turned out to be a regular person. I have always supported spending some of our tax money to help these families with intervention and other services. If we want to be a civilized society we must be willing to help each other in bad times. I haven't waded through the 2025 manifesto yet, but I would be willing to bet there won't be much funding for most of the social services we need. Cheers... GH
I came to a similar conclusion the randomness of the different bullies indicated the problems that these kids were having at home. So many had parents issue I pitty them. Here is a pastor that is anti trump talks about bullying. Its got the white christian national mysogonist I mentioned before.
https://youtu.be/FhLADqelvKw?si=4R4n1lRNep7I_Igu
It brings me joy to see how weak guys like Charlie Kirk really are. Hiding their weakness behind mysognositic bravado.
Bill Reitz, I'm sorry that you were so bullied. If I was there with you, I would have tried to help always. Bullying for so many of us, strikes a familiar sound.
I agree with you about the nonsense conditioning around the word, weakness, especially as it relates to men. Intentionally of late, I have been on a mission to do my small part to change our conditioning around the word, strongman, as it relates to leaders of nations and dictators. My mission is to equate all violence (verbal, physical, sexual, emotional/mental, intimidation and neglect) with weakness. And fairness, kindness, compassion, and a desire to be peaceful, treat others justly, and try to understand our own and other's suffering is true strength. Any man who shows or aspires to the latter is a strongman leader! So what if we all called the dictators of the past and present what they really are, weakman leaders.
That is a great and true way of putting it. All the good things you mentioned are strength. Those are great ideals to strive for and be.
It's been exhausting to have the campaign cycle going all the time now. The media, the texts, emails, and calls. Whatever it takes to give us a break for at least two years would be nice.
I agree, Kim. I am so tired of all of it! I will take a break after the election. Until then, I will continue to work hard to get President Biden re-elected. Vote Blue, America!!
And that's how the wear us down. The exhaustion weakens our zeal.
You are so right, Patt! That's why when I feel the exhaustion and desperation coming over me, I go outside. I work in my garden, take a walk with my pup, read a good book, turn off my mind and reflect on all the positives in my life, visit with family, I guess anything that does not remind me of the fight we are in! I refuse to let them wear me down to the point I will not engage with people to get out and vote. I will continue to sing President Biden's accomplishments and the good he has done for our country. Don't let the exhaustion take over. Vote Blue, America!
…hard to fight it, but fight it we must.
I am with Peggy — I will take a BIG rest in November.
But THEN, back to holding the people we elect to keep their promises … Oy the job does not end
The Brits have this down. They don't allow ANY ads or campaigns to start until about 90 days before the election. I'm guessing at the time, but I know isn't a very long election season. Cheers... GH
I agree that a third party (or the dissolution of the GOP) is something many Americans want and would support, but if we don’t *also* do away with the Electoral College system, which confers outsized influence on a few states, and undermines the popular vote, and institute ranked choice voting, a 3rd party is likely to function as a spoiler. Remember, many Americans pay little attention to politics, and a lot of people only get their *news* from Fox. Also, the ultra-wealthy (who on both sides have more in common with each other than with regular Americans) will do their best to control the narrative around any centrist third party effort.
I firmly believe that getting rid of the EC would solve a plethora of problems.
Patt, that and killing the big money in politics by reversing the Citizens United decision, re-instating contribution limits, and getting rid of dark money would go a long way to putting the controls back on democracy.
Absolutely Patt
Electoral college must go. Rank choice is also the way. Good idea.
In France 2 parties came together to defeat rhe right. I see the anti-trumpers as an amalgam of very disparate views. Once we out vote MAGA into irrelevance I see the 3rd party being a second party replacement offshoot of our current anti-fascist amalgam of voters. In which the third party will be whats left of MAGA.
It will take years to vote MAGA into irrelevance. It will require getting rid of the stupid filibuster that has been used by the robber barons and racists to block things like civil rights legislation. Sixty votes to pass nearly ANY legislation?! Seriously?! We have to vote enough people into Congress to get bills passed about reproductive rights, right to privacy, voting rights, etc. Trump's rise in politics allowed so much evil to come out of the shadows. The radical fringe that wants to take us back to pre-Revolutionary War times has played a long game. We have to play a long game as well.
I agree it will take a long time to drop MAGA. In the senate we are fighting big corporate money. Thankfully filibuster rules require only 51 votes to toast. Unfortunately the Dem majority includes at least 2 senators who will consisitently vote against the rule change. Manchin and Sinema (Independent Caucusing with Dems). Once they are replaced we will know where we really stand number wise. I would say one other Dem is a solid corporate milk drinker and will turn when the votes turn. So currently only about 49 votes. We definitely need a real majority ie, at least 51 to make the rule change and get ANY partisan legislation through. Of course when I say partisan I mean voting rights, womens rights, LGBTQ rights, even religious rights. How these things are partisan only seems to stem from rights for voters verse supremecy for big donors.
I was very heartened by what I saw in France. If the old GOP got back their power then possibly the third party would be those far right-far left minority!
The "old GOP" is dead, finito! Rarely is the word 'conservative' used anymore. That gladdens me, but what has surfaced is flat-out fascism. I have believed for decades that this is the true bent of conservatism.
It is the Trump Party. Far more accurate than continuing to call it the Republican Party. It's like some cheap handbag company buying up Gucci, then selling their crappy handbags under the Gucci label. Not that the Republican party was ever close to Gucci of course!
Sadly, don’t really “like,” but oh so true
My belief is that, once the TRAITORS have been destroyed, the Gop, made obsolete by the non-existance of fossil fuels, will be replaced with a PROGRESSive party, while the Democratic will become the NEW "conservative:" pro-life in general, but fisically regressive.
Corporate Dems will defintitely still be regressive and their large money caches will keep them in power until campaign finance can be reformed. The progressive I can see growing in voting power as long as progressive reforms continue and at least a 3rd group of folks that have views that the red coats would never listen too so they need a voice in a safe place.
We already have a Centrist party. It’s called the Democrats. It’s not going too well. And if Trump wins, a swift return to power is unlikely.
Actually, another election before he dies is unlikely
It's not a crazy idea, Peggy. I think it's one of the best ideas if we can accomplish it in the future. The excellent comments by you and Marc Nevas speak my views EXACTLY!
Thank you, John. The truth is, I just want a little peace from all of this craziness!
You are most welcome, Peggy. I would love to have peace from all of this insanity too! I sure would love to wake up in the morning soon and hear the news that Donald TUMP has ceased to exist! I absolutely despise that despicable SOB!
You, me and all of my friends despise him!
Peggy, I like your idea, but I think it’ll be a long time coming. Part of the republican tactic is to make a lot of money available to rank & file republicans in order to keep their “loyalty.” In 2016 they paid people to
attend Trump’s rallies. They’ve also used emotion
to control them. If you think about it, that’s how disinformation works. It deliberately preys on emotion and tends to suspend rational thought.
With all of the corruption coming to light, I’m afraid
the only way to stop the power of money is to make
campaign contributions illegal, because campaign contributions are the vehicle used for much of the
corruption. The power of money is what gives the
groups within the GOP the ability to control their
rank & file members.
Susan, I would agree with the idea of making campaign contributions illegal. Back in the day, candidates would walk all over shaking hands, talking to constituents and getting to know the people they would represent. These huge rallies have taken away the opportunity for voters to interact with candidates and voice their concerns. All I hear from candidates now is the same old cliches 'I will work tirelessly for you', 'I will get things done', 'I am for the working class' and on and on and on. The fact is, I believe the working class works three times as hard as any politician. They seem to be out on vacation more than in Congress working!
Peggy, it's what the progressives have been advocating for years, and which before Clinton used to be the focus of the democratic party. publicly funded campaigns might work. it was quarterheartedly attempted years ago.
It’s not crazy at all.
Think of a pendulum. It swings back & forth but where does it land? In the middle and that is where governing starts.
I like that analogy, Linda!
Very thoughtful but what about the necessary funding????
Good question, Diane! Since it is a grass roots idea then those that would want that type of party could donate. I honestly don't know how it works, but I'd be willing to give it a go!
That's great for those who can afford it. I'm not in that category. The last time I had money for donations was when Bernie ran. Fully retired now and on a fixed income.
I could envision it being treated as public services, donated by all media
There is about $806 Billion in corporate and billionaire subsidies you and I pay for everyday. Make the corps and wealthy pay their way. In reality there is a hell of a lot more than that in wealth tax that can garnered not by taxing us but by taxing the wealthy. As in 3 or 4 Trillion. Which can be used to correct the SSI under fundage (due to wealth transfer to folks who top out at SSI payments on the 1st 400k income) and many other social programs and infrastrucure. I had this idea the other day. Look at the parabolic curve upwards which is the wealthy getting wealthier. Then look at an iron bridge (lets say that one just got knock down by the ship). As the wealth for the wealthy shoots higher and higher that iron bridge gets rustier and rustier until it falls down (thats not how the bridge was felled) but reality is if we didnt subsidize the rich and the corporations there would be a brand new bridge in its place with caisons in place to prevent that type of accident from knocking it out in the first place.
I'm sure you folks know this but when the big and small corps get a SUBSIDY they don't have to pay it back. If it is a LOAN they do. It is no accident that the Billionaires get subsidies and the students get loans! I'm old enough to remember when the Fed Gov bailed out Chrysler with a loan in the 1970's they paid it back. Didn't take the BIG MONEY boys long to figure that buying off politicians to give them subsidies and not loans! And now that corporations are people... well how can you not want to help one of your "fellow" Americans. cheers... GH
If you really want the huge corporations and mega conglomerates to stop controlling the American people then take a hard honest look at what's happening in our health insurance industry. The over charges billed to Medicare are draining that system and a recent report from a DOD Red team is sounding the alarm that it's similar to what's happening the the 21% overcharging on reimbursements to the Veterans Administration, “Roundtable members were in unanimous agreement that the VA urgently needs to take action to control community care utilization and spending if the direct care system is to continue to be available to serve the diverse, specialized, and often highly complicated health care needs of enrolled veterans.”
Peggy, I really like your ideas. What I see as the obstacles are those corporations and billionaires, who say, like the NRA, "you'll have to pull it (power) out of my bloody hands". Could we mimic India and call a total national strike?
Marilyn, here's my secret. I have been on strike from these corporations for a while now. I refuse to shop in their stores. I don't want them to have my money. I know that seems petty but it is my little defiance. It has been fun finding places I can shop like Aldi's, Ollie's, thrift stores, farmer's markets and u-pick farms. My family laughs at my "eclectic" decorating because everything I have has been purchased second hand. It is one of my favorite dreams that suddenly all of what I call working class just stopped and worked on other ways to pay for their day to day living. I know everyone will say 'people would lose their jobs' and I know that but for just a brief moment it gives me pleasure to think we could end the power hungry, greedy corporations!!
Good for you! I've heard it said, change the things you can. Then strike!
Bingo Peggy. I haven't been in a Wal-Mart for 30 years after I realized how poorly they treated their workers. More of us should shop locally with our neighbors small businesses. We do as much as we can.
Cheers... GH
Wouldn't it be absolutely great if more people did that? Eventually the corporations would have to rethink what they are doing and make some significant changes!
Take a look at Andrew Yang’s Forward Party, which promotes ranked choice voting and getting big money out of politics.
And how many third or fourth parties do you see in any positions of power? Greens? Nope. Libertarians? Nope.
What prevents big money from flowing to a 3rd party, 4th, etc? I think the problem is big/dark money in politics - period, not necessarily our 2 party system. That said, I have been thinking that the long, drawn out campaign “season” which requires that big/dark money to feed the propaganda machines. What if we changed our paradigm and allow campaign season to be limited to 1 month, then the election? I feel like the outcome would be a short, intense & lively public debate & discourse, then the election while the issues are still “hot” and people are MOTIVATED to vote. Perhaps our voter turnout numbers would increase as a consequence. If France can do it, the US certainly could.
Citizens United 2010. The chickens have come home to roost. Let's throw them all out of the coop.
Citizens United...that straw that broke democracy's back.
I've believed that it would from the day it was enacted.
There's no way for citizens to have any power as long as it's in place. Our politicians are incentivized by money, and that's not a democracy.
Citizens United 2010.
The Press is doing Trump's job for him. Leave Joe alone. He beat Trump before and Donnie Boy is terrified he will lose to the Democrat once again. Trump's mental acuity is slipping and rapidly. Where has he been for the past couple of weeks? The last time I saw him give a commentary Joe made more sense during their last debate. Trump is suffering from something far more debilitating than old age. Ignorance and basic stupidity seem to be taking their toll.
I disagree with you. "The Donald" is not terrified he'll lose. His personality won't allow him to believe he'll lose. And people ARE showing up for his rallies. He spews the lies over and over, and with Fox (Fake News) Network and other fringe right media outlets all stepping up and spouting those stories, more people are believing Donnie Boy is the man for the job. As I mentioned in another comment, he's got something that Biden doesn't have: a strong personality and charisma. It's one of the ways dictators get into power. They use their charisma to attract people and tell them lies over and over so they finally believe they're the answer to everything wrong in the country.
Trump is sitting back watching the Democrats destroy themselves....
I fear the bit of truth you write here. The news does not adequately report TFG's verbal diarrhea, there's painfully missing analyses of his ignorance of world affairs. And the clips they do show are not really analyzed, but left to stand on their own, for all of us to laugh or gasp at, but not anything more than that.
And, yes, TFG is terrified of loosing because jail will be his next stop.
Hopefully! GH
No, we do not have a system that works for the majority of Americans.
Like everything else, sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn’t, Elsie.
Yes. And the working class is at the mercy of the millionaires.
Excellent point Marc.
No it's not working except for the wealthy and over time excesses/inequality grows and it becomes unsustainable esp. now w/r/t the environment and climate change.
No.
There are so many things our Western Europe allies do so much better than we do. Schooling and affordable higher education, vacation times, food (school children get amazing diets of clean, real food!) and travel. They have had high speed trains for decades, which I have traveled on...quite an experieince.
Oh! and virtually zero private gun ownership.
The influence of the wealthy up and down the ballot in both parties uncovers, yet another weakness in our current undemocratic and unequal economic system. Robert Reich has uncovered, yet another way in which the wealthy and the ultra wealthy are skewing American politics to their own interest. So much of the mainstream media is now owned or influenced by the wealthy it is no longer a reliable source of the news. Money has always influenced elections and many people look at how much each candidate has raised in cash as much as they look at the polls. However, in this situation that Robert Reich has uncovered, it has become more obvious than ever how much capitalism has gained the upper hand over democracy.
How have we devolved into a system where so much power is put in the hands of so few based not on their wisdom, but on their wealth?
Very methodically and over a long period of time.
It took alot of work by many but we got here!
In truth, it has always been that way.
Yes, sometimes better sometimes worse. We are in one of the worse.
Remember it was the not-very-Supreme Court that let uncontrolled big money into politics.
Hmm. Wonder why. >eye roll<
Robert is talking about who calls the shots in putting candidates before us, as much as who puts money into advertising to get us to vote.
WE need to make that Vote Voice more important, demanding better candidates!! That’s gonna be a hard change to make happen … but in the end, the power of money comes from having the ability to spend it to REACH US … the voters.
We have that final bit of leverage … our votes. How can we maximize our power to get the candidates we need, to get the legislation we need, to BE daily the power-potential we hold in our aggregate votes? That centrist party needs to be WE WHO VOTE.
And this time around:
VOTE BLUE.
Nicely put, Pat!
Never lose track of the 800 lb gorilla standing in the corner hiding under a lampshade. Media is complicit in a major way, but not so clearly identified or mentioned - giving ol' 45 all the support he can no longer afford to buy. It was refreshing to hear this young man's take on it all:
https://youtu.be/wc1hgkQSLD8?si=h-OBHvCEY7P2Ti9n
Another good voice here drawing a contrast, then concluding by reminding us that corporate media is - well - >corporate< ! : https://youtu.be/6o4oRttJTRQ?si=pIFuRHVGsh-tHFOH
O'Donnell has some choice criticism for the damn press corps, as well! : https://youtu.be/QDfCRmBQyTw?si=27K7CCqB8AWkY6et
Who is trying to push Biden out ‽ Who, indeed ‽
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Chris Cuomo has - agree with him or not - a very intelligent take on all of the above:
https://youtu.be/ZujRDwvPYDI?si=6vipBKTQLV6UIiIR
Thank you for the sources, DZK.
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Marc, I write because I believe elites, specifically Biden’s inner circle who have protected Biden from having to think and speak in extended extemporaneous situations (a low bar for the presidency) greatly have contributed to our finding ourselves at this perilous moment both for the Party and for the country.
To be clear, no one I’m aware of is expressing concern regarding Biden’s ability to govern for another term.. The concern has rested with his ability to campaign, exacerbated by the June 27th debate, which was meant to alleviate doubts that instead were reinforced..
In my view, the remedy, if there is one, is for Biden repeatedly, without teleprompter, to situate himself in demanding, challenging situations and prove he can both represent his record and prosecute the case against Donald Trump. While Thursday afternoon’s press conference and Monday evening’s interview with Lester Holt is a start, which might ease minds more so than the Stephanopoulis interview, the two scheduled events are not nearly sufficient. Frankly, I expect a lot of us are not adequately comforted by Biden’s brief visit to the friendly AFL—CIO Washington headquarters or by his call-in to the affable Morning Joe team. Unless or until Biden, over and over again, presents himself in difficult unscripted settings, I expect would-be-supporters to grow increasingly anxious.
Biden has a lot of work to do. And your suggestions are spot on. But as I read this substack and that of HCR and Hubbell I am struck with the complete absence of discussion regarding the youth vote.
Biden doesn't have to convince the commenters on these pages or any other echo chamber. As someone said: "I would vote for Biden's brain in a jar before I would vote for Trump."
The President has lost too many of the younger generation who just might stay home. Too many of them have no idea what fascism is. No idea about Project 2025. They live on TikTok. The number of young people who don't know much about the Holocaust is appalling. We are not looking at life from a young person's angle.
It is not too late. For most of our history we have chosen a nominee at a convention. I for one would love to see a youthful inspiring leader grab the torch. Watching Whitmer on the NewsHour recently brought me to tears. THIS is what the face of the Democrats should be like. Democrats are fearfully keeping their heads in the sand. And it is way past time for our generation to let go.
Good thoughts. The trump team is praying, as The Dispatch put it, that Biden stays on. Several stronger, more coherent and more reassuring options (including Harris, who polls ahead of Biden) are available to the Dems that would make it much harder for trump to win. In part because the focus would be turned more on trump and Republican policies.
No, not really. If Biden drops out, Bunkerboy wins his first election! We Americans already made our bed, as did the Traitors.
I agree about the youth vote, Bill. We need to take the message to where the young voters spend their time - on social media. Since many did not learn about fascism, Hitler or the Holocaust, we must educate them! I, too, would love to see these younger people put forth a candidate that all of us could get behind and support. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet.
Bill, Thank you for writing. As someone who does everything possible to support the youth grassroots organizers, I feel bolstered by your reply. I would add that for some time I’ve been pitching Whitmer and have had to explain, as I partially did in my reply on this site to Gloria Johnson, why I oppose automatically anointing Harris.
So . . . those on TikTok should make 130,000 videos explaining Project 2025 in ten seconds or less? Easy!
No just a few videos. You don't explain anything. You connect Project 2025 to negative feelings voters have. That's it.
Robert Reich recently had one of his fact filled videos taken down from TikTok with no explanation given!
Keeping their heads in the sand--exactly. I love Biden, but to keep democracy, he must step aside.
Barbara, I suspect the right can sit back and enjoy the dangerous suggestions by Democrats that Biden step aside after record breaking accomplishments in his term. The media is fully in bed with trump. They send out the messages. Biden has been out and about after the poor debate performance. Meanwhile, Democrats keep the focus on an incumbent while letting every outrageous trump speech get ignored. Changes can be made AFTER the election win.
But as it is now Democrats with the microphones are damaging chances even more. So many people on various chat groups I’m on din’t think Kamala is the best pick as the alternate. Do you really think Democrats will suddenly come together for an entirely new candidate for this election cycle? That WILL NOT happen. A great recipe for failure. Kamala can always take over should he be unable to serve his full term.
@SeekingReason, To start, I agree Kamala Harris is not our best pick mainly because, albeit unfairly, she is viewed by too large a swath as too progressive, a perception, even more unfairly, exacerbated by her color.
As for Biden, we should not lose sight of the fact that his team requested the June debate with the intent of dispersing doubts that, instead, were reinforced.
Speaking for myself, I am doing everything possible to press for an open convention, presuming Biden releases his delegates. Unlike you, I’m not surrendering to the idea, given the stakes, that Democrats are incapable of coming together and recognizing the energizing and unifying impact of affording qualified candidates an opportunity to battle for the Party’s nomination. Suffice it to say, in my view, attempting to put our best foot forward beats 4 months of “white knuckled” anticipation, even as we do all we can to get Biden elected.
Barbara No one, absolutely no one, will change anything unless we blitz Congress blue. The problem is people always want everything. I do think going forward, we must have an age limit. Some people are extraordinary capable at 80+ but most aren’t. I am all for keeping an experienced 80+ year old in a paid advisory roll, but we need to address it. 4 months before an election isn’t the time. Democrats will not agree on who. 4 months is preposterous in this country to roll out a campaign.
@Seeking Reason, “Blitz[ing] Congress blue” is irrelevant to Democrats coming together to try and ensure we’re putting our best foot forward to save our democracy and defeat Trump. I would add that 4 months by any standard other than our own is a long time.
Barbara this isn’t about anyone else’s standard for elections. It’s preposterously short in the US. And another thing we need to fix. Campaigns never end here. They are years long involving enough money to solve many of our problems. A total disgrace. But only a Dem president along with a very Blue Congress can really attack these issues.
Don't forget that everyone campaigning also has a " day job". Campaigning in the US is a good two year gig and ridiculously expensive thanks to SCOTUS (who aren't doing their's as well as should be). Everything is about money now and more importantly, who has it. We need massive campaign reforms (and others) but no foxes guarding the hen houses.
Sharon, At this terrifying moment in our nation’s history, I believe, more than anything, we need an inspiring, galvanizing leader who forcefully can represent the accomplishments of the present administration, elaborate on much needed legislation moving forward, and prosecute the case against Trump. Our Party is yearning to be energized and unified.
Barbara Jo Krieger who are you talking about? Can you provide some names please so that your commentary can be better understood? You refer to elites, Biden's inner circle (for example) - who are these people (besides Jill)? Exactly how and when have they been protecting the President from having to think and speak? I haven't seen any of that so I do not understand your comment.
Max, The two that immediately come to mind are Jill Biden’s top aid Anthony Bernal and longtime ally Mike Donilon. Moreover, I can state unequivocally that Blinken, Sullivan, and McGurk are the sole advisors Biden consults when mapping out his Israeli-Hamas policy. My point is that a bunker mentality is indigenous to how Biden operates.
Let’s remember that decades ago Joe Biden was well known for his gaffs. Not many people can speak for long periods without written notes or script. You see what happens when Trump speaks ad lib. I was against Biden running in the first place, due to his age. Initially, I understood he was running for one term. I voted for him. I certainly didn’t see Trump as presidential material and was so glad not to hear his incessant, insane boloney of the hour. Why would the Democrats not pick a younger candidate? I think because he was the most conservative and more likely to get the voters who couldn’t stomach any more of Trump.
Agreed, Barbara Jo. If the rest of the campaign is proving himself to be fit for governing instead of campaigning against Trump, then voters will lose confidence in him and forget why Trump is the worst choice.
Tracy, in my view, justified perceptions of Biden’s ability to govern have suffered as a consequence of his inability to campaign. Frankly, for his sake and for ours, I hope he uses the narrow window still afforded him to preserve both the country and his legacy.
Agree with al of you but the choice has been made. I am sending another $500 to the DNC this week. There goes our vacation money! Happily! Now I want the DNC to spend all of their money showing continuous clips of T's outrageous bullshit in all their ads. At the very end a freeze frame of the worst nasty, snarling photo of him they can find. The last few seconds Joe should appear in the corner and say "Does anyone really think this guy should be President?" I spent many years in advertising and sometimes the best idea is not to talk about your burger directly but ask the other guy..."Where's the beef?' The DNC and the BIden folks are missing the best chance to ridicule the T man with his own words until he blows a gasket. He is an easy target. By pushing this in everyone's face until the election most folks will start forgetting about Joe's gaffs and start remembering T's. It is time for them to stop playing by the old rules and get tough. It's the new reality. They don't have to be nasty... Let T do it for them. Cheers... GH
Good points. The goal has to be to keep T out of the White House and let Joe and Kamala sort it out after Jan 20, 2024. Cheers... GH
@Marc Nevas: While you are agonizing over BS, the country is turned over to the barbarians.
We should have one goal. Beat Republicans. ,
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Yes, it's great to BS and speculate and be witty but action and words related to action are what count. Great post Daniel.
“Everyone else” were enthusiastic about Bernie in 2016, but the Democratic machine and the big donors pushed Bernie aside in favor of Hillary Clinton, and where did that get us? More and more of the everyday people are getting more and more frustrated with the fact that our wishes don’t count. It pushed some of them into the arms of Agent Orange. Those of us who won’t go there, increasingly don’t know where to go. We’re tired of choosing the lesser of two evils. Let the people have some say by throwing the Democratic Party choice open to a mini primary season and then an open convention.
I have to disagree with part of your comment, "it pushed some of them into the arms of Agent Orange", I find it hard to believe that anybody who supports Bernie and believes in the ideas he has been working for, would turn around and vote for trump. I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but then I voted for Hillary, and then Joe Biden.
If you think Biden is the lesser of two evils with trump, then you are pretty poorly informed. Here are some of Biden’s accomplishments vs Trump
*Biden passed much needed legislation after trump mangled the pandemic, destroyed the economy and led a deadly INSURRECTION to overthrow the government.
*Biden lowered unemployment from 6.3% to 3.5% and has held the unemployment rate below 4% for the longest period in 50 years!
*Biden created 15 million jobs in a little over 3 years (A Record).
*Bidenomics grew the economy at 3.1% last year and reduced inflation to 1.9% from 9%.
*Biden cut child poverty in half through the American Rescue Plan
*Re-joined the Paris Agreement to fight Climate Change
*Provided $10k-$20k college debt relief for those who earn under $125k/yr.
*Biden united the West to help Ukraine fight Russia.
*Biden passed the first gun safety legislation in thirty years.
The following legislation was also passed during Biden's first term:
*bipartisan Infrastructure legislation
*The Electoral Count Act
*Science and CHIPS Act
*Respect for Marriage Act
*American Rescue Plan
*PACT Act (expands VA health benefits)
*Inflation Reduction Act (2022)
*Biden cracked down on junk fees
*Banned non-competes for workers
*Banned medical debt from Credit Reports
*Capped drug prices for seniors
*Expanded overtime pay
*Capped credit card fees
*Hyper-focusing on one thing is dangerous when it excludes ANY of the many accomplishments that have been made despite an insane and authoritarian republican cult party.
Trump:
Is an old lying pedophile philandering racist rapist, convicted of 34 felonies, liable for $464 million of business fraud, who ripped off thousands of people, stole top secret US military documents, and tried to violently overthrow the government.
LESSER IF TWO EVILS? REALLY?
I wonder whether I will still hear "Bernie Bernie Bernie Hillary" when I am on my deathbed. Will this narrative ever die?
Prior to the debate it was obvious to me that even if Biden had a superlative performance, it would not be enough to overcome the deficit that he had in the poling in the only demographic that will really matter in this election: The wobblers in the primary swing states- the people who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012, for Trump in 2016, Biden in 2020, and who are irritated as hell that neither party was able to come up with a better selection in 2024. These are the people who are trending toward Trump right now, because Trump has been articulating that he can solve the problems that they sense exist in this country, and who, for whatever reason, don't buy the line that Biden has been pushing that everything is hunky dory. In fact, everything is NOT OK. The nation, and the world, are facing some serious problems- that have the potential to end not just the Pax Americana that the world has enjoyed since 1945, and democracy, but also civilization, if we do not double down on our efforts to limit climate change, because the evidence shows that the consensus of scientists that we have the luxury of a few years to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is wrong. Instead, we have already past the tipping point when the warming effects will be accelerating at a rate that is increasing geometrically, and within a dozen years, millions of people will be dying from the effects. The point being, that those who are pushing for Biden to step down, are those who have removed the blinders that are preventing the Biden base from seeing that, while Biden has been exactly the President we needed in 2020, his cognitive decline is unmistakable, and the attempts by Biden's inner circle to conceal them amounts to the same kind of gaslighting that Putin's trolls have been engaged in so successfully that they have divided America against itself to the point of civil war, because Putin knows that he could never beat a United States. I am one of those people who is pushing for Biden to step down, and I can assure you that I am not an elite. It is my belief that the whichever party choses a young, vibrant, and articulate candidate will win in November. However, Democrats would win by the landslide that will be needed to win the House and Senate as well so that we can reverse the insanity SCOTUS has been perpetrating if during the Democratic Convention, the Democratic Party creates a democracy app that has an effect similar to what Reich does to pole opinion and stimulate discussion, and the Convention itself had a series of Zoom/Team workshops with a media showcase that makes "An Inconvenient Truth" and other relevant videos available for free to those who register, and who are verified as being real, registered voters. But the only way to attract the audience that will provide the platform, will be by Biden first announcing that he will be releasing his delegates
I'm wondering after reading your comment:
How many times has the Democratic party not rallied for the incumbent and, instead, wanted someone different?
Will someone young and vibrant actually be able to lead the country? Is there anyone who can stand up to Trump and the far-right Republicans?
No doubt that Biden looks and acts frail, but even throughout recent history, he's never had the "oopmph" and charisma that's needed to win over people. Trump, despite his also showing signs of having some dementia is charismatic and that IS moving people because like other dictators, starting out, it's their magnetism and strong personality that can get people believing the most incredible lies (and isn't that obvious?) and when lies are told over and over by Trump, his MAGA followers in Congress (or those not willing to publicly stand against him), believe it. It's sad.
Biden has gotten a tremendous amount accomplished during his term, but where do you see this in media and where the hell has the Democratic leadership been in not getting this out continuously over the past 4 years, and making sure that the public knows every time Biden has accomplished something else?
Trump had these huge plans (or so he told everyone) about this giant infrastructure bill he was going to get passed and get our roads, bridges, airports, etc. fixed up. Did we see anything from that? Yet, where has all the press been about Biden getting that passed and getting money out to the states to start fixing up our infrastructure?
Where has the Party been to make sure the public understands the REAL reason that grocery and housing prices are so high? It's NOT because of Biden? Why hasn't the Party been really active in getting out the word that our treasury is short trillions because of the tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations. WE certainly never saw any of this money in regards to raises. Where's the word getting out that these giant corporations have been spending their windfalls from, tax reductions, on billions of dollars of stock buybacks rather than putting it towards wages, and capital improvements?
I blame the Democratic party for much of this mess.
Dave, almost every media conglomerate is owned by trump supporting right wingers. The media refuses to report Biden & Harris successes for good reason! Trump will give them more tax breaks, less regulation.
CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, etc Sinclair Bros (trumpers) own 294 tv stations. This is how FASCISM works.
Yes. The future of democracy and civilization will get down to whether the Democratic Party can restructure the Convention into a media event and demonstration of participatory democracy with Zoom workshops on innumerable issues. It could draw on the huge talent pool that is available, including Dr. Reich., In that way Democrats could not only get people registered to vote as part of the Poling App registration, and build a movement similar to the "Wide Awake" youth movement that got Lincoln elected, but also channel the Palestinians protests that will otherwise have the potential to make 2024 look like Chicago, 1968 into workshop on solutions that can make recommendations' to the delegates. We can't repeat 1968 by nominating the vice president, either, as we know how that will turn out. Dean Phillips had the right idea. However Gretchen Whitmer has better bona fides. Whitmer as President with Howard Dean, or Al Gore as vice president would be an unbeatable team
The DNC Chair is not even a spokesperson for Democrats or the platform anymore. It's all about the duckets. Both parties know they make more money when they don't hold the White House. Making more money is the consolation prize for losing the WH or Congress.
We rarely see a former DNC Chair acting as a spokesperson for the Party or platform. The exception is Howard Dean, the architect of "the 50 State Strategy." He was the last party builder, IMO. As a party builder, Dean focused on building the party and getting small donations from average people. This is one reason why I'm advocating for Gov. Dean to step in a replace Joe. It's a matter of integrity. He's smart, progressive and deserves it a party leader.
Yes, money talks but 100% of us are influenced by Climate Change. Go stand outside !! We want a younger president who will be alive as this planet gets hotter. We can’t wait.
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How about Harris the Prosecutor over DJT the Prep? With Biden as VP. They would maintain their existing war chest to campaign. And make Pete Buttigieg Climate Czar. That’s the easiest sell to the millions who aren’t paying attention.
He could not be more wrong: https://apple.news/AulXfuQHHR4-J-Y8qSCDrdA
Lawrence O’Donnell’s show last night on MSNBC is must watching. He showed clips of President Biden that are not being shown elsewhere. Why is no one else showing the footage of his meeting with the AFL-CIO yesterday to accept their endorsement. Biden is one of the most pro-union Presidents we have ever had.
I have read that so many voters haven't heard of the, Project 2025 fascist takeover plan that TUMP falsely says he doesn't know anything about. I just hope there is a way that horrible manifesto can be heard by every voter in the United States before the election. The MSM certainly isn't going to mention it in their news broadcasts or anything about unions either.
I was a union member and union officer for 35 years and even back then the MSM only reported about them with negative reporting especially when we went on strike!
I think the postcard writing groups should get all over Project 2025. It's a 900 page printed document so the Heritage Foundation has obviously been working on it a long time for it just to have come to our attention. I did learn about it at least a year ago but it needs to be out there compared to what Biden has been working on and accomplishing for the last 3.5 years. Democrats tend to be polite and respectful of traditional manners. I know my jaw dropped and I was stunned by trump's vomitus of lies and juvenile name-calling during the debate and was shocked that the moderators let it all go. Maybe it was President Biden's job to call trump out but isn't a debate supposed to be based on comparing and contrasting FACTS? Shouldn't THAT be a RULE? Shouldn't each side be persuading the listeners which side is more palatable and sensible? Do they have to cut off microphones in normal debates?
Yes! A friend just told me that the Heritage Foundation is violated ots 501C non-profit charter by engaging in politics. I don’t know, but is there someone who could after them on a legal basis?
Depends on who wins this election. The R's would never!
According to my friend's info, ANYONE can file a complaint or report or whatever the procedure is. It can be done now, according to her. I'll have to research where & how to file a report.
The Heritage Foundation is funded with dark money from the richest men in the world. No one will go after them legally or any other way.
Gloria Johnson, you just answered your own question. Why are the corporate business media not showing video of Biden at a union event? Well, we know the answer. Unions are their mortal enemies.
I watched that bit, starting here: https://youtu.be/fERNPp4G2Sw?t=858. Well worth listening to if you are wondering how Biden behaves without a teleprompter. Yes, it is a friendly audience, he is not under pressure there--but damn, if only I could be this smooth. Impressive.
O'Donnell shows a clip of what Trump said on the stump yesterday after for contrast. Trump should be forced to speak extemporaneously as well--he should be placed under the same microscope. He produces word salads despite having a teleprompter in front of him, imagine what will come out of his mouth without reminders of what he is required to talk about.
Gloria, As I wrote to Marc Nevas, I don’t expect enough of would-be supporters were sufficiently comforted by Biden’s brief unscripted visit to Washington’s affable AFL—CIO headquarters. Instead, I believe I speak for many when I submit that our anxieties only would be alleviated were Biden, over and over again, to present himself in demanding unscripted situations and demonstrate he can forcefully represent his record and prosecute the case against Donald Trump.
Absent that, as I repeatedly have submitted, while there’s still time, presuming Biden would release his delegates, I view an open convention, wherein a roster of qualified candidates battle for the nomination, as our best shot at defeating Trump in November.
A word about Harris: albeit unfairly, I believe enough voters view her as too progressive, even more unfairly exasperated by her color, that I would be concerned were she to be automatically anointed.
With all due respect, I think you are totally off base here. Biden has proved he’s up to the job - by actually DOING it. Anyone new is starting from scratch. Besides, some are all excited about Whitmer, sure. But others like Shapiro or Newsom. So who’s going to decide at this late date. Millions of voters will be furious if Kamala gets passed over. They really like her. And there’s the money. They can’t access all the campaign money already designated for Biden/Harris. And guess what? Republicans are just waiting to pounce on last minute changes to the ballots. They’re already making plans to legally challenge any changes dems want to make to the ballots in key states. So let’s get real here. Biden says he’s in. He was legitimately voted for in the primaries when people already knew he was old. And still chose him. He’s our candidate. Let’s stop this self implosion and get out there after the real guy we need to defeat.
Barbara, I also feel I speak for many based on what I hear. And I don’t agree with you. Neither of us actually speak for anyone, so please don’t elevate yourself to that.
@SeekingReason, When I wrote, “I believe I speak for many…”, I wasn’t passing off my remark as fact but as a belief that I stand by based on my tirelessly reaching out across the country for help formulating virtually every view I hold.
Btw, I should note, speaking for at least half of my postings, I pray to God I’m wrong.
Barbara, I work at an Alderman’s office in Chicago. I am an active political person and participate in many groups as well.
@SeekingReason, Hence, we should regard one another as worthy opponents, recognizing that intelligent and sincere people can have fundamental disagreements about complex matters, relishing what we can learn from one another.
It's too late to be comforted. For me anyway. Time will tell.
Steve, I could be comforted were Biden, at least for the next 4 months, to muster sufficient acumen to project, even under the most demanding circumstances, that he effectively could represent his record, show the way forward, and prosecute the case against Donald Trump.
In the alternative, I would be comforted were Biden to release his delegates to a Party committed to unifying under the auspices of an open convention.
I have a question about the debate: I heard or read somewhere that in the debate, Trump would often continue speaking (with his mic off but still in earshot of President Biden) while Biden was answering a question. This would make it awfully hard for anyone to think clearly. I haven’t seen much about this, and wanted to get some confirmation, one way or another. Anyone know about this or did I misunderstand?
Found this: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/06/28/how-trump-did-debate-new-rules-00165694
Maybe it wasn’t about big factor then, based on Politico’s analysis.?
That was a much different situation than a debate.
Unfortunately, we all probably should have seen this coming. The Biden administration's admirable focus on jobs, anti-trust, worker's rights, etc. was always going to make the Persident a target.
Tara LeBlanc ; That is why he is popular with the majority of voters.
Yes, but that ISN'T what has led to a falling away of support for him. Did you watch the debate (not just clips)? Have you read the reports of others? His campaign is finished, like it or not. We must get him to acknoledge it. Would I like a healthy and younger Biden for 4 more years? Would I votr for him regardless? You bet. But the handwriting is on the wall--he cannot rise above this, nor can we put him there without help from other voters (and yes, donors, some of whom are wealthy) who are now likely not to vote for him or simply not come to the polls!
Probably we should have seen this coming. But don't really think it was my job vis-a-vis Dem leaders and advisors who thought it a good idea to have a debate. They never asked me.
I agree with George Clooney. Is Biden a viable candidate? I apply the 'Martian Visitor' test. Question: 'With a population of over 300 million, why have you selected a tired, elderly grandfatherly guy who has already served his country with distinction, but is now handicapped by the natural progression of old age and probably would not last a 4-year term?' We all love Joe Biden, but there is no logic behind having him run. He is NOT the ONLY person who can beat Trump! And that view is disturbingly Trumpian! Sadly, I think Biden is putting himself before country on this occasion and his obstinacy is worrying.
Colin Webster. Voters, 14 million of them voted in the Primary for Biden. He has been evaluated and there is no evidence that he is compromised. TRump lost the "debate". CNN failed at "Moderating" the debate. And telling tRump to answer questions. Also no fact checking of his many many lies, that President Biden could not answer fast enough in 2 minutes per lie. I would like to see people like you debate with tRump. It would be justice. Your support for tRump is worrying.
You have completely misunderstood my post, Laurie Blair!
1. The only reason Biden is the only person who has beaten Trump is that he is the only one to have so far been able to try!
2. Yes, a lot of people voted for Biden in the primaries - and a lot of people didn't. His rate of decline since the primaries has been sad and significant.
3. He has REFUSED to be evaluated for cognitive decline, so there is no evidence that he has NOT been compromised.
4. Who are 'people like me'? That's a stupid generalisation bordering on a racist comment. Why would me debating Trump be 'justice'? Have I committed a crime that requires punishment?
5. Where did I say I supported Trump? He is a dangerous lunatic who must be stopped, but I believe that Biden is not the best person to do that because he is not the man he was 4 years ago, when, as you say, he did 'beat Trump'. At 81, he is now no longer able to function adequately 24/7 and you don't need to have a degree in neurology to see that. I am 80, so I know what I am talking about when it comes to mental and physical decline.
6. Finally, I re-iterate than I am NOT a Trump supporter, and I object to you calling me one. Please read posts more carefully in future.
Thank you Colin! Agree 100%. This 74 year old, with a son in the Navy, wants a Commander in Chief who can be energetic and articulate whenever a crisis presents itself. I am not dismissing Biden’s significant accomplishments. I am just acknowledging that “crumbling infrastructure” doesn’t just happen to roads and bridges.
Thank you for defending yourself, Colin, so eloquently and adequately. Laurie has a tendency to start throwing thoughtless barbs when someone disagrees with her.
Thanks, Klare. I like your 'thoughtless barbs' - might use it myself someday! People should be able to disagree with respect and without personal insults.
1. Hillary Clinton tried.
2. I know nothing about the primaries. President Biden’s last annual medical checkup is posted on the White House website and I read it. He was recently diagnosed with sleep-apnea & has been using the
positive airway pressure device over his face when he sleeps. My point is, sleep apnea significant enough to warrant using a C-PAP machine at night would have affected his ability to be alert, his general demeanor, his ability to think and his memory.
3. What do you think will happen if Biden takes a cognitive ability test? Regardless of the results, Magas will get ahold of it, pick it apart, make fun of
it, impune the reputation of the physician who gave it and and use it to further attack Biden’s cognitive ability. In other words, it would be the equivalent of walking into a trap. I would refuse to take as well.
He can defend himself by pointing out what he’s
accomplished.
4, 5 &6 no comment
Here’s a partial list of what Biden has accomplished from Special Prosecutor Jack Smith:
“Democrats manufacture reasons every day to abandon the guy who beat Trump in 2020, passed historic legislation in his first term, capably managed us out of a global pandemic and from the brink of a crippling recession, created more jobs than any of his predecessors in over 50 years, made record investments in American infrastructure, took on Big Pharma to lower costs, took on tax loopholes for billionaires, brought back manufacturing jobs we had lost to China, got more Americans on affordable health care, backed union workers at every turn, strengthened our global alliances, fortified NATO against Putin’s aggression, all because he’s old and sometimes acts old.”
There can be no rational choice of a candidate by voters in a primary if thenorimary is not contested properly. Tradition may have it that an incumbent President should not be seriously challenges, but this election is about more than one man’s pride. I am shocked that Biden, who claims he knows what is at stake, has put pride before duty. He, himself, has said that he can name 50 democrats who could beat Trump. Yet he will be happy in January if he lost but “gave it his all and tries his best” even if he loses. This shows a serious misubderstanding of priorities. The election is not about him trying his best but what about is right for the country. If the road to success for the American prople is through a Democrat other than him, then I am surprised he does not have the dignity and sense of duty to step aside. Maybe he was never who I thought he was.
Well said, Raymond. With each passing day, it seems that Biden and his commendably loyal supporters are entering the realms of self-delusion. Biden is not helping the country (or the world!) by 'fighting' to stay in the race.
Hehe. Now that time has passed, it seems that Democrats are fighting as a party to stay in the race rather than sticking with Biden to the bitter end. Honestly, sticking with Biden felt like giving up rather than fighting for what was right. So glad he dropped out!
See my response above Colin.
I share your concerns.
I asked this same question in 2020. Bidens time was 2008 and 2016. It just didn't work out that way
Thank you. While I generally agree with Prof. Reich about the issue of money, he is very wrong in this case. No sane Democrat is wishing for this at this late stage. Biden's horrific performance and the possibility of Trump winning are what has brought us here.
Biden is the only one who has actually beaten tRUMP. Stay with the Martians, Colin webster.
Watching Biden's Press conference live right now at NATO. Biden has already called Kamala Harris Trump, and called Zelensky Putin!
Biden HAS to go!!!
Here's the BBC reporter's comments;
"Biden mistakenly refers to his Vice-President Kamala Harris as "Vice-President Trump" in his first answer
It came shortly after he introduced Ukraine's president as Vladimir Putin at a Nato event in Washington, triggering gasps in the room."
Colin,
*Biden passed much needed legislation after trump mangled the pandemic, destroyed the economy and led a deadly INSURRECTION to overthrow the government.
*Biden lowered unemployment from 6.3% to 3.5% and has held the unemployment rate below 4% for the longest period in 50 years!
*Biden created 15 million jobs in a little over 3 years (A Record).
*Bidenomics grew the economy at 3.1% last year and reduced inflation to 1.9% from 9%.
*Biden cut child poverty in half through the American Rescue Plan
*Re-joined the Paris Agreement to fight Climate Change
*Provided $10k-$20k college debt relief for those who earn under $125k/yr.
*Biden united the West to help Ukraine fight Russia.
*Biden passed the first gun safety legislation in thirty years.
The following legislation was also passed during Biden's first term:
*bipartisan Infrastructure legislation
*The Electoral Count Act
*Science and CHIPS Act
*Respect for Marriage Act
*American Rescue Plan
*PACT Act (expands VA health benefits)
*Inflation Reduction Act (2022)
*Biden cracked down on junk fees
*Banned non-competes for workers
*Banned medical debt from Credit Reports
*Capped drug prices for seniors
*Expanded overtime pay
*Capped credit card fees
*Hyper-focusing on one thing is dangerous when it excludes ANY of the many accomplishments that have been made despite an insane and authoritarian republican cult party.
One guy is old. The other guy is an old lying pedophile philandering racist rapist, convicted of 34 felonies, liable for $464 million of business fraud, who ripped off thousands of people, stole top secret US military documents, and tried to violently overthrow the government.
Thank you for the comprehensive history lesson. Biden has done a great job. However, my worries are about Biden in the future.
Colin, Biden IS doing the job everyday. So you CAN judge his accomplishments right now.
You are absolutely right when you say that Biden has done, and is doing, a great job. Please read my previous comment again. I am worried about his FUTURE performance in the light of his inevitable mental and physical deterioration over the next 4-5 years.
Those are certainly points in Biden's favor. But that sidesteps the issue of his recent abd growing physical and cognitive decline, and his age--which voters were largely okay with (and as almost no Dems challenged him, the incumbant (which is normal procedure) until his physical/cognitivr issues became more (and in the casenof tbe debate, VERY) prominent. The issuw isn't Joe Biden's personality nor accomplishments, but rather his abiljty to effectively campaign and beat Trump, then do his job for ankther 4 years. We're all on the same sude here--we want to be Trump.
Have you seen him at all of his meetings since the debate? We have all the accomplishments listed above, which doesn’t sidestep the issue at all. We want someone with proven results. We should have a discussion about age after this election. Democrats do not agree on things together easily, as we can see. Not all bad but we will never agree who the single best person to replace Biden would be at 4 months from the election. It is not the answer people think it is. Meanwhile, we’ve got a competent VP who can take over should Biden die in office (I certainly hope not). But I think there is a good administration that we already know can accomplish things. And especially with a Blue majority Congress…no duds or pretend Democrats, rock solid majority in Congress.
I will vote for Biden if he is the nominee. I love Joe, his experience, and his policies. That isn't the issue. What is the issue is that millions of Americans have now seen and woken up to Biden's age-related issues, which raised their "big ugly head" on debate night. While you and I will still vote for him, the concern is that enough won't (perhaps not vote at all) to elect Trump. That's the reason you're seeing Biden's support slipping, which is already reflected in polling and fundraising.
Yes Colin, there is logic behind having Biden run.
Think of it this way—there’s the election and there’s what happens after the election. Biden wins the election and VP Harris takes over at some point.
Biden’s admin.or team is still intact and long-term
projects (infrastructure upgrades/climate change mitigation) will continue.
You might say, then why isn’t VP Harris at the top of the ticket now? Well, if she’s the Dem candidate for
president, the American Nazis/maga/evangelical/
white nationalists will savage her mercilessly. They
will research her personal & professional lives for
dirt. If they don’t find any dirt they’ll make stuff up.
And they will badger her, accuse her, belittle her &
harass her right up to the day of the election. Don’t
forget—many, if not most magas are hard-core racists and it could get very ugly, very fast.
Magas tried to find dirt on Biden for the last 5 yrs,
without any luck. They then made stuff up, but
none of it stuck. The only success they’ve had is
their post-debate smear about his age. We don’t know what may be lurking in VP Harris’ past.There may be nothing. If so, they’ll make up some outrageous nonsense, but a.)we don’t know how she’ll handle it & b.) why put her through that if
we don’t have to? There’s nothing to be gained by
having her at the top of the ticket, and everything
to lose. Magas will still harass her, but it’s much
easier to handle if you don’t have the fate of the Western world depending on you.
Biden, the tired, elderly grandfather, can’t do anything about his age, but he can counter that
argument of being too old with his track record
as President. What he’s managed to get done in
the last 3.5 years is truly remarkable. Here’s a
short list: We have the best post-pandemic economy in the world, the stock market is
reaching new highs, more people are on Affordable Care because Biden put more subsidies into it. Unemployment is at record lows for a record
period of time, he ended predatory student loans
& more.
The difficulty is that all this should have been said, debated and decided before the primaries! Now we're walking on thin ice to come together...which we have to to before the election.
So true!
In the end and as usual, Money decides whether US will remain a democracy or not, and it actually seems to be legal.... let me tell you, most Big money and Big businesses don't like democracy because it hinders them from growing their profits over the back of the people. . Democrats seem to have lost their say in this because they seemingly are unable to unite for Democracy and........ they also depend on sponsors. Only mobilising the masses to defend democracy can turn the table
Hans, let's hope that all the work being done by people on this substack and Daily Kos and other groups will mobilize the masses to go and vote on election day! Vote Blue, America!
Yes. Only a grassroots political rebellion against the morbidly wealthy celebrity endorsed self referencing establishment, which is holding US politics to ransom, can rescue social democracy.
George Clooney's NYT editorial is worth reading. It finishes with:
"Joe Biden is a hero; he saved democracy in 2020. We need him to do it again in 2024 [by stepping down].
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/10/opinion/joe-biden-democratic-nominee.html
Sad but true, even in the Democratic Party. Money talks, louder than the voice of The People.
after a while I'll bet you tend to forget all the little people out there without donor money.
It's not a blame thing. It's part of most people's natural response to a screwed up system.
But it’s a screwed up system that Congress has the power to change.
Donald Trump and the far-right religious separatists see the Democratic party as a danger to this country and our people. The blind efforts put forth by the conservative movement frozen within the Republican party is Trump's handle on maintaining control over his estranged group of followers. There is no positive element hidden within that group's intentions. There for, all Trump's efforts go into creating the image of control fed by the steady stream of lies he offers to his flock of losers. Sooner or later, you would think his people would simply say, "This makes no sense." Joe may stutter but at least he tells the truth, and he isn't a convicted criminal.
I was thinking about Joe Biden & realized why I have always, ALWAYS, liked him. He is a man of the people. Some of his past views have been condemned as contradicting what he now espouses but he is honest about how he feels & he has evolved as the nation has evolved. He sees a need for something & works to put a voice to it. I am so proud of him as president.
Yes!
He supports our Freedom of self rule that is Democracy, too.
"Santayana said the reason that old people have nothing but foreboding about the future is that they cannot imagine a world that’s good without themselves in it. I don’t share that view. To the contrary, I think my generation — including Bill and Hillary, George W., Trump, Newt Gingrich, Clarence Thomas, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Biden – have fucked it up royally. The world will probably be better without us.
"Joe, please don’t run."
—Professor Robert B. Reich, 14 July 2022
When Robert Reich wrote this in July 2022, this was relevant. Today it is as Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer expressed, it is not the time to be fantasizing on who would be the best candidate. It is the time to be supporting the candidate we have. There are 4 months to mount a campaign for a new candidate. That is enough time to give the public reason to truly think the democratic party has lost its mind.
I have full confidence in Biden's ability to run and win his reelection bid. To hell with the elites.
The elites must be sniffing that they will be better off with a trumpie boy win. Money money money.
America seems to have 2 poison pills: Electoral College and Citizen's United. Somehow, they both have to go.
The Supreme Court has concocted more poison pills. And I doubt they are done doing damage to our democracy.
Michael, one of the problems we have is that the elites are so busy feeding their addiction to power and money they can't see into the future at all. They don't realize Trump is more addicted than they are and is also in the throes of dementia. I am guessing they think they can manipulate Trump into doing whatever they want, not realizing Trump is out for only one person, Donald Trump, the toddler-man who is ignorant of nearly everything that is going on. I keep wondering if he is wearing a communication device of some kind so his handlers can feed him lines he can spout, that are not too difficult so that if he gets lost in what he is saying, it won't get him into too much trouble with his cult members. What is being done to Biden is ageism pure and simple and explains why conditions many older people are living under are so horrific, particularly in nursing homes and other medical facilities. Old people are expendable and should be able to do nothing important, right! It's infuriating!
"It's is not the time to be fantasizing about who would be the best candidate" There is no fantasy Gretchen Whitmer. Except perhaps on your part. Joe Biden won the Primary and IS the candidate, not you..14 million voters voted for him in that primary. His health has been evaluated, and he wants to stay in the campaign. His track record speaks for itself.He certainly is capable, and his running mate, Kamala Harris is too. I plan to send another $25 donation again, today.
Get ready to get your story straight. Clooney had Obamas blessing before he submitted his oped.
Oh come on, Michael. Whitner is a surrogate for the campaign. If it was relevant in 2022, it magnitudes more relevant now after Biden's physical and cognitive slide has become more pronounced. Every Democrat, regardless of support status for Biden, wants to beat Trump. That includes the donor class. Only one person is to blame here---Biden. I love him, I will vote for him if he is the nominee. But the building and difficult-to-refute consensus now is that if he stays in, Biden will lose, perhaps hugely.
And everyone I have talked with personally--friends, relatives, none of us anything close to "elites", has the same concerns that I have expressed here. Robert's attempt to frame this as rich vs the rest of us is completely off base in this instance.
Partial quote. Completing it for you.
“Joe, please don’t run. (But if you do, I’ll be 100 percent behind you.)”
Fair enough.
Jan: Thank you for this completion of that quote!❤
Amen!
If this isn’t the most liked quote of the day I will be shocked. If Reich’s train of thought was a race car it’s been in a figure eight course since the debate from hell
You have said you think RFK might win. This shows you have no real grasp of politics.
I bet RFK gets more votes than Genocide Joe
Chuck, oh, you're back! Ugh!
Ruth: Ideleted the troll. Hateful.
But did you?
yep , from my page anyway
That’s not consistent with the conversation we are having
Ruth Oh ! You’re still alive.
Exactly.
I think the professor just wanted to get a reaction from his students.
I think you shouldn’t ignore the millions of Democrats who have consistently said Biden was too old to seek another term. All polling has indicated this desire for other candidates and the donor class while influential, has not created this reality. Biden correctly identified the danger of another Trump term and now that it is clear he will in all likelihood lose to Trump he needs to step aside. One cannot ignore the polls you don’t like and embrace the ones you do when the stakes are this high.
How is it clear that Biden will lose to Trump? It was also clear a short while ago that Macron would lose to Le Pen, or that Democratic candidates would be swept away in the midterms by a red wave. In no way is it clear that Biden will lose.
All of the polling from swing states since the debate underscore the likelihood of a defeat. As to mid terms the Dobbs decision was crucial. All I saying is that many of us have long believed that Biden has been an excellent president but is also a terrible candidate given his age and acuity. There is no evidence that he can recover politically from the debate debacle and expecting 50 million people to “un remember” what they saw is not a likely outcome.
Well put Allan.
BS: you are a troll! Alan
There you go again, Laurie. Get a grip. We must do what is best for the country. Stop acting like Nancy Reagan!
What, does Dobbs not remain a huge liability for Republicans today? Americans still broadly oppose the decision. As for Biden's political prospects, you say there is no evidence he can recover. You seem quick to write the president off as having been mortally wounded by the debate, yet there is no "evidence" of that either.
Only the polling and reaction of many of us who for the last year have been saying he is too old. When large numbers of Democrats believe he is not capable of being president for four more years according to multiple surveys, how can one not seek out a candidate better positioned to defeat Trump?
When asked "should Biden drop out" people say yes, but when asked about his replacement the answers are scattershot. Biden consistently polls as our best shot of winning.
14 million Democrat votes in the Primary for Presiden Biden refutes the "multiple surveys. You cannot find a better candidate. He has shown this in this term. Biden is Great. He gets the job done.
We did not have a real primary. There were zero serious opposing candidates (Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson) and no debates. In 2019 there were 29 D candidates by 2020 it had narrowed to 9 D candidates. Voters had a chance to hear multiple viewpoints from solid experienced candidates…Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Amy Klobuchar, Pete Buttigieg etc.
Kamala Harris is there to take over if anything happens to Joe. Perhaps you don't want that? The best thing all of you who want someone else could possibly do is support & vote for all democrats & stop fussing. We have a fight between democracy & fascism & there is only one way to deal with that. Vote blue & get as many others to vote blue as you can. Democracy has to win. Are you aware of the things he has been able to accomplish? He has restored more to American families than anyone & all of that in the wake of the disaster of a trump presidency. I take it you are too young to remember 1968? Another point is trump's ability to purchase polls which was demonstrated during his trial.
Actually I was in Chicago in 1968.
Nope. Polling and personal reactions are not evidence.
John S: excellent points.
Polling!? 😂 By the right wing media? (Great source 🙄)
Polls are trolls: those who own them want to manipulate US . I have seen enough: if you have not, you are not qualified to weigh in, because you are blind
He Has beaten trump!
Laurie, By almost 8 million. But these people think they have the answers.
I think the trolls are showing their true colors as we get closer to the election. The media too.and donors like George, Clooney, the actor., who is saying Biden should step down.
It's not clear - nothing is 'clear' - but the U.S. is not France. No way the strategy of coalition building would work here in the U.S. Simply not structured that way.
I agree. I think Biden can win. I just think that others have better odds. Though I worry about what the Party comes up with if they don't decide through the voice of the rank and file.
I understand what you are saying, Allan; however, I do not pay any attention to the polls. They are simply not consistent. I will support President Biden and vote for him. If he decides to step away, I will vote for the candidate that does run because the truth is, if we do not support the candidate running against the orange man, we will not be able to truly vote again! Vote Blue, America!
The polls are trolls, owned by the billionaires, mostly. Propaganda like this is everywhere. Biden is the best President we have had in recent memory, who supports the Common Good. He gets my vote,
Alan Katz: 14 million voters wanted Joe Biden enough to vote for him in the Primary, and he won. He Is the candidate. TRump tried to weaponize the "debate" and the piling on continues. He has shown himself to be a good President: His track record speaks for itsrlf, if voters would only look at it . I will send another $25 donation when I can. And I will vote for him. Why are so many rooting for tRump? Is it possible that there are trolls here?
The facts are that as an incumbent President who has done a good job, he had no opposition based on any burning issue inside the party. What is also true is that at his age he should have passed the torch to the next generation and maintained a great legacy. We agree that Trump is awful. For those of us who believe Biden cannot beat him we need to try for a different candidate. If in the end Biden remains the candidate (which i believe would be a very selfish act) I will of course support him. My fear if a Trump return is what motivates me and others to urge him to step aside.
Allan, who do you think this “different candidate” will be? Because having been around long enough to know Democrats will NEVER agree at this point who that should be! Biden has announced intent to stay MOVE ON!
I agree we need an influx of young democrats in power but pursuing it at this point in time presents democrats as being fragmented which plays too much into MAGAs hands & weakens yet further Biden's position. It is unwise & I do not usually think this way but reality bites us in the ass at times to make us pay attention.
A "very selfish act"... And there we have it, the manipulative propaganda laid bare at last.
I didn’t know I was that good. Actually we are on the same side but believe different paths will work better.
62 % of Dems want Biden to step aside. Ipsos poll.
Allan Katz: with the stakes this high, we should get behind our candidate : not mess with this at this late date. If you cN'tcsee that, you have not been paying attention, or you are a troll working for the enemy.
Money makes the world go around, the world go around 🎶 (Cabaret). Campaign finance reform and abolish the Electoral College. No other way will this country ever achieve true democracy.
The big money owns US. It's time for them to respect the will of the voters. Otherwise, they will give US a dictator.
Funny how many think they should deny us our pick from the Primary.
The challenge for me is now that people have it set in front of their faces just what is going on and who it is that is making the political decisions, will they/we stand up and say "No more!" and actually listen to the candidates and support those who have the best interest of the American people in mind when they take positions? We have let rich mostly white men and corporations rule here for far too long. We give them special tax privileges and loopholes no one else can use. We let them spend millions of their own money to buy elections as in PA, OH, WI, and MT. No person should be able to put more than a couple of thousand dollars toward a campaign and no utilities should ever be able to donate to any candidate or PAC. I can't help but wonder when We the People are going to start electing people who actually care about us instead of those with slick ads on the various media. If people took a moment to really pay attention, they see some things very clearly: Trump has no business being in any office, a convicted criminal who constantly cheats and lies and has hired a lot of people who will do that for him and pretend it's legal. People would also know that rich businessmen do not make good senators or legislators at any level. Their business is their main focus and bringing in the bucks, legislation is next to irrelevant. Biden is not perfect, but the truth is, no matter a person's age, they are not perfect, no matter what the rich donors believe. Besides they are looking for candidates who can be manipulated to do as those donors demand.
And perhaps that is one of the biggest arguments for why Americans should elect Biden. He is privy to that special clarity that only comes with advanced age. The room to manipulate him is small...
Tara : yes, and Biden has a lot of experience in government. He knows what is going on. He still prefers to serve US in the Common Good. He has skills, and with all he has been able to accomplish against all odds, he will prevail against the dark cloud ☁️ that looms over this election. All we have to do is unify against this threat and vote! " The only thing to fear, is fear itself" and "Never Again! ". Will we allow the evil tyranny of hate rule again. Anywhere in the 🌎 world!
He has incredible experience, knowledge and judgement. Knows the government inside out. But he has to be electable.
steve reed ; he Is electable, and WE have got to VOTE for him!
Yes, I think it important to see who is trying to push Biden out, but it's still complicated. Big money donors are almost always to the right of Biden, and his plans to raise taxes on the uber wealthy. At the same time there is a legitimate concern but at this point isn't the main issue that this infighting must come to an end? I think Biden would be better than the mentioned alternatives. So Clooney et al, stop your squawking and unite to beat Trump.
I agree! If we don't stop the fighting and come together, the orange man will get back in the White House and all of us will be screwed!
Paul Klienman: well said!
Sadly, these wealthy funders are the only ones not subject to threats if they speak the truth. The electeds, IMO, have a lot to lose by voicing their concerns. Rep. Adam Smith and Senator Peter Welch are courageous in sharing their fears. The other Dems have something they fear losing if they are honest, and I cannot imagine how they think the tiny fraction of persuadables in the swing states can stick with a man whose decline is irreversible. It's a reality that the millionaires are taking more seriously than the electeds.
Excellent point
I think that many Democrats (myself included) think that other leading Democratic candidates would have a significantly greater chance of defeating Trump than Biden does. In fact, in a July 2nd post-debate CNN poll, 75% of Democrats said that Democrats would have a better chance of winning with a candidate other than Biden. And that 75% is clearly mostly made up of people who are not major donors. So I think that it's clearly wrong to say or imply that the only group that overwhelmingly wants Biden to withdraw are major donors.
I think that the only reasons that more elected Democrats haven't called for Biden to withdraw yet are (1) they know the important NATO Conference is going on this week, and don't want to embarrass him while that is going on, (2) Biden is scheduled to give his first full news conference in quite a while today, and many Democrats want to give him "one last chance" to show that he's up to the task of defeating Trump, and (3) they're hoping that some Democratic leaders can privately convince Biden to withdraw without having a huge number of Democrats publicly call for his withdrawal, which might trigger an "Oh, yeah???" defensive reaction on Biden's part.
We will probably soon see which way it's going to go.
My concern is that polls are mostly irrelevant statistically speaking. 75% of how many polled who answered? 100? 500? 25? The number answering the poll must be reported to know how relevant the percentage is. If 75% of 200,000 polled agree, then there is reason to think that 75% of the number of all voters would agree. Only reported percentages are not indicative of a consensus.
Explain to me, someone, why my belief is wrong that a Dem nominee who is an articulate white, not old man, who is centrist/centrist-left , will likely beat Trump. The electorate is not so keen on Trump. They want another major party choice besides Biden and Trump.
But Biden must step aside. It’s not just rich donors who want him to leave. From ABC News: “Two-thirds of Americans in a new ABC News/Washington Post/Ipsos poll – including a majority of Joe Biden’s own supporters – say he should step aside as his party’s presumptive nominee for president given his debate performance two weeks ago.”