Trump is bitching yet again----Today Trump placed all of this country's social unrest squarely upon the shoulders of the far left. What in the hell is the far left? Our political theater consists of 3 basic elements: The Democrats, The Independants, and of course the Republicans. Trump pointed to several incidents involving various degrees of violence all directed against members of the (Far Right) Republican party. He stated these acts of violence must stop! However, Mr. Trump neglected to mention any of the violent acts carried out against the Democrats by members of his own political gang. Why is that? Charlie Kirk would be alive today if he had chosen to follow a member of the Democratic party instead of the lunatic he befriended. Trump's entire movement is orchestrated around hatred of one thing or another, which he just isn't smart enough to understand. Instead of surrounding himself with the minds of experts who could help guide him through this country's everydays problems. Mr. Trump has selected a group of inapt morons who unscrew a light bulb by spinning the ladder while the orange guy holds onto the burned out bulb, and he has the gall to point fingers at the only party with which this country has a future. Now he wants to give Mr. Kirk a metal for his conduct, what conduct. All Kirk ever did was glorify a man who had the power to make gold lose its luster. Mr. Trump, unless you would like to join your outspoken friend I would suggest you tone things down just a bit. Your ridiculous rhetoric is tearing this country apart. Who do I blame for our current debacle? Ranking Republicans who don't have the stones necessary to control a rogue President. Trump's women are floozies, his men are marshmallows, and there isn't an honest American among them, and he wonders why he is having difficulties being the President of a country that doesn't want him.
Tom, you are correct. His love of using others for violence is just like his use of other people’s money. He brags about that too. That is how his father raised him. Always use other people to do what you want. That way you can deny having any real responsibility for bad (read “horrendous “) actions.
True. Trump’s sadism is a feature of his antisocial personality disorder, although he personally would rather not dirty his tiny little hands. I could envision him enjoying the gladiator games in Ancient Rome. He did sit on his ample posterior on January 6, 2021 watching his followers invade the Capitol and attack the Capitol police.
Yes, Kathy, you are absolutely correct. And no doubt on January 6, 2021, he began plotting his comeback and how he would pardon every one of those rioters, while denying he had anything to do with causing it. He says so many stupid things, we sometimes forget to give him credit for how downright devious he is. Of course, he has also surrounded himself this time with the most despicable toadies he could find.
The State Department yesterday said it would review the legal status of immigrants “praising, rationalizing, or making light” of Charlie Kirk’s shooting
As i was watching the Jan 6,2021 riots unfold, i kept thinking, where is the National Guard,????? Why isn't someone stopping this??? And now, the ignorant freak is screaming that the Dems are responsible, or, ''radical left lunatics'' are responsible for the shooting of that Charlie Kirk loudmouth. And then these criminals that participated in this despicable act were pardoned. Donald TUMP is not only stupid, but he is ignorant, arrogant, racist, and by far the most disgusting and rotten human being on the planet. He is a true, and horrible freak of nature!!
C K, Trump has surrounded himself with people who are perfectly fine with either committing violence or further inciting it. Trump is a coward and always has been. I hear he is/was charming in some way so got people to do whatever he wanted. I don't get it because if people actually listened to his "charm," they would hear the lack of sincerity. I probably had to listen to it more than most because I could not see his face or his movements which were supposed at one time, to prove confidence. He always sounded to me to be an empty suit, if he had one on, I didn't know. I admit I only heard him interviewed on talk shows or when he was making his pronouncements when opening buildings or something. I heard little that was sincere. That has been his hallmark as president too, no sincerity unless he was blaming, calling for revenge, or threatening someone. He does not know how to do anything positive for anyone but himself and occasionally for his "whisperers" and then only to keep them on his leash.
Ruth, I assure you that if you could see him, you would know by his snarky grin that he is the most insincere person in the world. I will never know how he manages to fool so many people.
The British commentator on ATP Globalpolitics YouTube conjectured whether Kirk's assassination could be Trump's Kristallnacht. Trump's comments sure seem to point in that direction. He has a record of inciting stochastic violence. Here's a link to the historical reference. The parallels are unnerving.
I actually had the thought run through my mind that it's altogether possible that Trump had some part in it because for sure, the Epstein files have been out of the news since Kirk was killed.... Then I said, Pat, bite your tongue. Which I did.
No, Patricia, don't bite your tongue! Say what you think! I hate Donald Trump more than I could hate ten other people put together AND the devil! I am just waiting and HOPING and PRAYING and DREAMING and FANTASIZING about the ASSASSINATION OF DONALD TRUMP! IT IS ABSOLUTE TWILIGHT ZONE MATERIAL WE ARE BEING FORCED TO LIVE IN BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WITH THE AUTHORITY -- THE DOJ, THE SUPREME COURT, THE REPUGS, SO-CALLED "ATTORNEY GENERAL" BONDI, THE FBI, THE MILITARY -- WILL DO NOTHING TO STOP THE MONSTER IN THE OVAL OFFICE!!! DEATH TO DONALD TRUMP!!!!! HIS DEMISE CANNOT COME SOON ENOUGH!!! DEATH TO DONALD TRUMP!! DEATH TO DONALD TRUMP!! MAY . . . IT . . . BE . . . SLOW . . . AND . . . PAINFUL!!!
Klare, please be careful of public comments, since there are actual laws about threatening the president. I awake every morning, to check if he has died in some manner, but never publicly speculate about assassination of POTUS. Care about you
Oh Patricia, I had that thought too. At least the guy is alive this time so maybe we'll find some kind of honest motive, well that is if he is not tortured into some confession that fits Baby Donnie's demented brain as "the right one."
Ruth......trump loves the death penalty!!! The death penalty is on the table for the shooter of Kirk unless there is a deal to take it off the table if he pleads guilty.
You also can find parallels in the Soviet experience: the creation of the Lenin cult, with Stalin as high priest, also the assassination Kirov, followed by a terror campaign.
Winston, I don't have a problem with someone being incontinent because, one's body can just do that. However, I to have a problem with cutting healthcare for millions while one has the best in the world for free, that is unacceptable and needs to be called out at every turn, even mentioning that incontinence is not a sin or disqualifier, but cutting people's healthcare is.
TOM - You are correct. The Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are standing back and standing by again. They are once again calling for people to give into their hatred and commit violence for absolutely no good reason whatsoever. A lot of the J6ers who were pardoned are openly calling for more to join them. They don’t think that they have much to lose since they believe that T will either not investigate them or will pardon them again. Sadly, they are probably right.
Victor - Probably. Where else can they get a $50,000 sign up bonus and carry a gun while doing what they love most - hating on people. Maybe J6 was just their probationary period.
Anon . . . How sick and infuriating that the seat of justice in this country gave a traitorous insurrectionist A PASS, EVEN ENABLING HIM TO BECOME PRESIDENT AGAIN!!! The United States of COWARDICE could take a few lessons from Brazil!!
I agree. He has always loved the chaos and purposefully stokes division. The more we “fight” with each other, he then calls this unrest an Emergency that requires the force of the military to quell the unrest throughout key locations in the country. Then next, he’s manipulated the necessary levers of government and declares Martial Law!
Tragically. we can well imagine what happens next. We must always stay More than one step ahead of him!
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that Elon Musk said "The Left is the party of murder" on Twitter. Even the suspect has not been caught, countless fake news stories are created by the right, claiming the killer is a leftist.
you realize of course he's doing it INTENTIONALLY. This is not an act of any kind, this is who Elon has always been. Even the people who know him or who meet him for even a few minutes realize this, much the same as the famous people in Epstein's birthday book joked about and knew that he was a pedophile, and that he and trump were best friends because of their equal love for molesting young girls.
No, Karen. No more assassins, please. I'd prefer to have them live long enough to see what their malignant narcissism brings them to. I especially want to see tRumPutin lose everything he has stolen, and then spend his miserable old age in prison.
My name is not "Karen," Paula!!! It is Klare!!! You have written me many long posts about yourself, yet you have suddenly taken to calling me by another name!
The problem, Paula, is that it's not going to happen! You are dreaming if you think Trump will ever go to prison! The people of this planet just need to get him OFF THE PLANET! Hasn't he done ENOUGH DAMAGE YET for you to be fed up???
Anyone who thinks that Republican violence is going to recede is just as foolish as anyone who believes that they will give up power now that the American public has turned against them.
Victor, I often wonder at your ignorance and stupidity! I . . . HATE . . . DONALD DRUMPF THE DEMENTED YAM DUMPSTER TRUMPLETHINSKIN NO BRAINS TRUMP!!! MY IQ IS PROBABLY 50 POINTS ABOVE Y-O-U-R-S! GO BACK TO WHATEVER FOREIGN COUNTRY YOU SNUCK IN HERE FROM!!! ("KAMENDROWSKY" IS ABOUT AS FOREIGN AS YOU CAN GET!!!) HAVE YOU GOT A GREEN CARD OR PERMANENT VISA???
Musk is all over spreading his bile and hate in this and other countries. I'm waiting for England 🏴 to boot his ass from their airwaves, then possibly we can do the same here.
Musk is all over spreading his bile and hate in this and other countries. I'm waiting for England 🏴 to boot his ass from their airwaves, then possibly we can do the same here.
Rikeijin - Agree with the others that he is doing it on purpose. Why wait for the facts when that only complicates their narrative? I just read from Allison Gill that the alleged shooter was non affiliated and his parents are both registered republicans. What was engraved on the ammunition was in reference to a video game and not “leftist” ideology or transgender ideology. But those facts probably won’t change the minds of the people who wish to believe in the unproven narrative of why the alleged shooter did what he did.
Jayson - He pretty much summed it up when he answered the question of what he was going to do to bring the country back together with “I could care less”. If they would stop pulling highly skilled agents away from actual investigations to do immigration work and instead concentrating on trying to Prevent crime maybe this would not have happened. If the head of the FBI and other unqualified officials didn’t leak the names of the two held as persons of interest maybe they would not have been doxxed by others who are ruining their lives for being innocent. Maybe our tax dollars would not have been spent to fly his body on Air Force Two and instead Kirk would be going home to his family alive. This is the failure of the people who have glorified violence and hate instead of remembering why we all came together after 9/11 (and the other wars we have fought). The terrorists we fear are no longer coming at us from outside the country but from inside. When we need a leader they are no where to be found.
Victor - It’s hard not to pine for a leader when one is needed now. If you think that one will emerge and be able to bring us back together then I will try to wait - but patience has always eluded me.
I heard on NPR yesterday, I think it was, that Obama is going to run for president again. Is that true? Can he run again? Maybe he can . . . maybe they just can't have three terms in a row but are eligible to run after a certain period of time has passed. God, WOULDN'T IT BE WONDERFUL TO HAVE SOMEONE IN OFFICE AGAIN WHO CAN SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY AND WITH ELEGANCE, AND WHO DOESN'T HATE EVERYONE!!!???
Klare - Yes, it would be absolutely wonderful if we had someone like Obama, or even Obama again, who would be the responsible adult in the room. From what I understand, and my knowledge is limited in most areas, is that regardless of when a person served as president they are limited to only two terms. I know that T is going to ignore the constitution but I think his age will prevent that. I have heard that if he does in fact try it many people have said that Obama should run again. I don’t think Michelle would allow it though. I also don’t believe that he wants to do it either. It would be interesting if the other people surrounding T would want him to run since they are priming up his heir apparent. But if he tries it, and the SC allows it, why shouldn’t we try everything possible to bring back Obama?
Giving a medal to a known racist and misogynist while completely ignoring what happened in Minnesota and in schools across the country is unconscionable!🤬😈💀😡
Donald, unbelievable that Trump has the flags flying at half-staff. Yea, step right up, Ladies and Gentlemen, let's glorify an abject hater! DIS-----------------GUSTING!!!!
Hello Klare... Did you see DJT's Address Last Nite?.... Very Low Energy, and DJT could barely Talk.... Today, at the 9/11 Memorial, the Right Side of his Face was Fallen... Stroke?... October 19th is Coming Closer....
Oh, hallelujah! I believe in that prediction/declaration sincerely and to the utmost. Coming on the heels of another No Kings protest/demonstration day, maybe Trump will do himself in, turning it into a major FURY & HISSING day!!!
Back in the New Age days of the late '60s and '70s, there was an astrology publication, what was it called? Published in Oregon, the Bear Mountain Press or something like that. I should try and look it up and see if I can order it. I used to really follow astrology. I had so many peoples' Natal Astrological charts drawn up by The Association for Research and Enlightenment over in Virginia Beach, the group that formed around Edgar Cayce, the foremost American prophet. (Do you know about him?) Not only did they do the charts, but they included 30 - 40 printed-out pages with them for each person. Fascinating stuff, they were so accurate.
Plus, a Congressperson (MTG, I think), has introduced a bill to build a statue of Charlie Kirk in the Capitol. (Is that basically an F.U. to non-Republicans, similar to building monuments to Confederate figures in the South was to blacks?)
Diane - But, yet, they refuse to hang up the plaque to honor the law enforcement officers who died due to J6. What bullsh*t and hypocrisy.
T says that he is upset about people who go after judges and law enforcement but he is the one who is doing it. Or he has other people do it for him. People need to step back and take a pause while looking in the mirror before they speak. Nothing but projection.
What he means is that critics of the Supreme Court will be targeted. Only the Supreme Court can stop this slide into chaos. In the meantime, we must not be intimidated.
Victor - He has attacked judges he himself appointed because they dared to follow the law. You are right in that he needs his SC judges because they are the only ones who keep letting him get away with it all. Didn’t know that they could be so limber as they continue to pretzel themselves in all forms to help T create chaos.
Linda, did you mean no one has suggested a statue honoring Jimmy Carter?
I am SO OVER hearing EVERY news program on NPR discussing/centering around Charlie Kirk! God, what is the fascination with him??? You'd think he was some kind of national hero!!! He chose the wrr-o-on-nng path! (Wonder if he's had a taste of Hell yet???)
The tragedy of humanity isn't so much the viciousness of violence but it's sublime supporters. Many journalist shed tears when Charlie Kirk was assassinated but forgot he liked to pose with Kyle Rittenhouse and stood firm with a tyrant: Donald Trump and his pro gun policies. If you live by the sword you die by the sword…I believe that the pen is mightier than the sword .. Truth not politically correct jargon matters more.
Karma’s a funny thing. This administration won’t be in power forever. When change finally comes, I hope the first formal action of a humbled and contrite US is to join ICC and pursue charges of crimes against humanity. Some ICC nations have notorious prisons: La Makala (Congo), Kamiti (Kenya), Muhanga (Rwanda), and Mendoza (Argentina). I don’t normally indulge in schadenfreude but in this case, I’ll make an exception.
Here’s the thing Donald…They WANT to tear this country apart. They’re banking on it (literally). If you don’t believe me, just ask Steve Bannon or the guys at the Heritage. The death of Charlie Kirk is horrible indeed, but creates a perfect storm for yet far more division and animosity… as if there isn’t enough already.
It's sad this man was killed. I didn't like his message at all! Woman have so much more to give than what he said they needed. But he didn't have to die, this really smells like a set up to me. Whoever did it was definitely a professional at shooting and this had been carefully planned for him so easily to escape.
Exactly. I had to wonder at least for a little bit if Donald Trump and company planned the whole thing as a distraction away from the Epstein files, and a way to up level his assault on the American people
I swear, trump is the most mentally, emotionally, spiritually and physically exhausting person to deal with. He spews lies on an infinite loop or inserts nonsense about windmills in between lies. How the hell did we as a nation get to this point, where the best leader we could produce was trump. This fact alone infuriates me, because I look back at the past leaders that we had like Obama and Jimmy Carter or the leaders we could of had like Bernie Sanders or Kamala Harris, who were intelligent, compassionate and thoughtful leaders that put the welfare of all Americans first and choose to unify instead of divide. We as a nation deserve better than this. We deserve better than trump.
Trump is trying to create animosity against liberal voters so that his followers can start taking matters into their own hands. He is the one spewing the hatred to anyone who has any left leaning beliefs. He wants a civil war. He wants to intimidate democrats and liberals to be afraid to speak out, to be afraid to vote. He wants a reason to discount liberal votes and liberal lives.
Liberal voters don't support what happened to Charlie Kirk. But Charlie Kirk himself supported what happened to him. Is anyone going to talk about that?
The man who targeted and killed Melissa Hortman was a trump supporter.
The man who targeted the home of Democratic Governor Josh Shapiro was a trump supporter.
The men who wanted to hang Mike Pence on Jan. 6th were all trump supporters.
The man who targeted and killed the son of Obama appointed District Judge Esther Salas was a trump supporter.
The men who were convicted trying to kidnap Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer, were trump supporters.
The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Obama and Biden was a trump supporter.
There is no equivalent or even similar list of Obama or Biden supporters who have carried out similar murders, attempted murders, or violent attacks.
Is ANYONE from the democratic party going to get out on the news and talk about the violence that comes from the Republican party followers of trump or the president himself when he talks about liberals as radical and hating this country and how much he hates them?
You’re absolutely right Camille. I don’t understand why Dems are hesitant to get in front of this and put a much needed spotlight on the political violence perpetrated by trump supporters. So, unless their strategy to win midterms, is to let trump and MAGA dog walk them.
This is how people with Malignant narcissism are. Its part of the diagnosis. The only difference is because 40 million people were conned into voting for him, and the Democrats couldn't be bothered to field a candidate who could warm a cup of tea, we have to deal with him.
The only good thing to come out of this will be the dissolution of the United States, and if we don't do that then we're just as stupid as the rubes that voted for Trump.
But I have read that before. Should we not try to think about the reasons for this terrible situation? Of course: Trump adds fuel to the fire, but did he start the flame?
The polarisation is going on for decades, I think. The commercial interests cause segmentation in the public debate. When diverstity is not unevitable, democracy dies.
If there is a far left, it’s fairly small. Most people are trying to hang on as Trump and his billionaire and theocratic allies wreck the country for their benefit.
To tRumPutin, the 'far left' is anyone who isn't maga. Including Republicans. Look at how he's attacked judges - even those appointed by hard-right presidents, like Reagan. I think even one or two of his own. Any person who doesn't agree 100% with him is a 'far-left lunatic'.
True. To MAGA, the far left is anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Some call Democrats Communists, which is totslly false. Cultural Marxism isn’t a thing, it was a phrase invented by a white supremacist looking for an excuse for not attracting a bigger following. What many of us want is a system fair to all, one that assists the traditionally disadvantaged, and capitalism regulated to protect the common good and public interest.
You left out one big group - the apolitical. The ones who simply cannot be motivated to engage and vote. In essence, they are why we find ourselves where we are. Fascism happens because people allow it to happen. The last go-around with them wasn't because people gave up their majority rights to them -- Hitler didn't win the 1932 election. He was just well positioned. tRump didn't have a majority - he put all of his effort into getting the electoral college votes he needed - you know, election by acerage.
No-one in America benefits more from this than Donald Trump.
a) It certainly knocks the 'Epstein Scandal' off of the airwaves. The GOP senate already took advantage of this distraction to make two controversial moves to benefit Trump.
(and BTW, Charie Kirk was one righty talker who was giving Trump, Pam Bondi, etc. some guff over the Epstein issue);
b) This will motivate Trump's MAGA base, and rally righties into a frenzy of hate toward liberals, and likely bring some who were a bit concerned about Epstein back into the fold;
c) Trump can (and will likely) use this event as a rationale to further ramp up his efforts to expand his personal 'police state' tactics; and
d) This will at least temporarily reduce public speaking events by Democrats and Trump critics, for concern over their own safety in 'revenge' attacks.
So if this was done by some politically motivated liberal, it was massively stupid in terms of the political impacts it will have.
If this was done covertly for right-wing objectives, we are in worse trouble than I thought.
Regardless of who it was, there is no question that Trump is using it for political advantage.
It is renewing my interest in active politics to hear such eloquence of what is —you might well lead a flock of advocates for whatever is your good church
Donald, OMG! Well said! Trump is having more and more difficulty keeping things straight. He needs his "whisperers" to keep filling his mind with what is going on so he can almost make sense. He can then, supply the hate, blaming, and threats because that is what he has done all his life and even in his dementia, he can dredge those up for any situation. All the "whisperers" hve to say is "Democrats" or "left" or "woke" and Trump is off and running his mouth. You are also right about the disgusting assembly of pathetic entities Trump has surrounded himself with. Together they are a mass of dishonesty, ignorance, hatred, whiteness, maleness (with women who have decided they are only of value if they do whatever men tell them to do), and pseudochristians. That represents a minority of Americans, and right now, not a very popular minority, a bunch that despises America and Americans. That anyone still supports this toddler pool is unbelievable.
A suggestion--I worked very closely with several police agencies in my younger days. To a man, each member of those departments was an over all good human being. I would hate to think that anything could happen to them. By broadcasting, openly, that the DOJ or the prosecution is actively pursuing the death penality, puts uniformed officers in an elevated level of danger. Don't tell anyone the death penality is on the table. The perpetrator has already killed someone, the taking of additional lives wouldn't be hard to imagine, so why push him. A peaceful surrender is the obvious solution to a man hunt, but knowing he is facing the death penality might force an individual who houses an elevated degree of self preservation to fight to the end, putting local officers in harm's way, needlessly. Keep any thoughts of applying the death penality to an open case of murder on the "QT."
"What in the hell is the far left?" Most thinking folks realize it's a vague and "fictitious" bogeyman used by the trump regime and the GOP to demonize dems and terrorize the ignorant masses into voting republican.
This ugly repetitive blather is getting SO TIRED and worn out. Is anybody out there even listening other than the crackpots?
This is the Reichstag moment Donald, the predicate for a crackdown on the opposition. Starting with the trans community. Ah pastor Niemoller, we should have listened.
Trump as president has enhanced responsibility to tone down the violent rhetoric, because he has the most influence over the country's culture and environment. But if there's one thing consistent about Trump, it is that he will always find someone else to blame.
There is a possible motive for the individual who shot Charlie Kirk, other than opposition to his political and social views: jealousy. Charlie Kirk had become a major influencer, with access to the president and other movers and shakers. The shooter, who is thought to be a young man, obviously has far less influence. Maybe he was angry that Charlie Kirk was apparently beloved by many, while he was not. My local news is filled with reports of guns being used to resolve all sorts of disputes.
I find it intriguing that law enforcement are calling for the death penalty for the perpetrator whereas schoolchildren only get thoughts and prayers when someone shoots them.
Lets not forget the Evergreen CO school shooting the same day as Kirk. The authorities have only said that the young shooter was "radicalized" but they did not indicate what ideology had radicalized him. From this point on we will never get all the facts about anything .
Exactly. I don’t watch it anymore and even avoid listening to it with others. So much that I will leave after saying what needs to be told about the idiocracy.
I’ve lost friends and family members because of the “news”
I have owned guns for decades. Not one of them has ever gotten out of the safe, gone somewhere and killed someone. If you are going to make gun ownership illegal because they can be used by people for illicit activities or to kill someone, then you have to make automobiles, knives, airplanes, tools, etc. illegal as well, because they have been misused for the same purpose.
Your argument is a classic straw man. Guns are tools, just like automobiles and airplanes, but we make people get training and licenses to use those tools. You need a driver's or pilots license to use them, but when someone suggests even the simplest gun safety courses we hear people scream fascism and communism - yes, both - and pressure their legislators to protect our inviolable right to blow each others' heads off using portable ordnance.
After the 9/11 attacks, there were moves to implement background checks at flight schools, a wise idea, but not a single call from the right for background checks for owning or using guns. Eddie, if you really want to draw a parallel between guns and airplanes, I expect you will support such a move.
The people that flew planes into buildings, didn’t have licenses. Gangbangers in Chicago, where some of the most restrictive gun laws in America are on the books, are shooting and killing in complete disregard for said laws. People competently flew planes for decades before licensing was required by the government. Automobiles were driven competently for decades before the government required licenses. Your position is the “straw man”, advocating that government regulations can somehow solve this problem.
Eddie, my grandfather broke his arm turning the crank to start his Model T Ford in the early days of automobiles, a common accident. He tasked my father, then twelve years old, with driving him around for his job on winding mountain roads. No licensing was even imagined then. My father said he hardly ever saw another car on the road in 1920.
Regulations come after there is a great enough need for them to even be proposed. Do we not have a big enough problem with gun violence to propose regulations to make a dent in the problem?
I’m not advocating that training and safety are not critical for gun ownership. The government is not capable of regulating gun ownership without making their role onerous at best, destructive at worst.
It’s still illegal to bring them back to Chicago, no matter where they are purchased. Making something illegal does nothing to stop it from happening. It’s illegal to murder people everywhere in this country and it still happens. The problem is evil and the law can only deal with the symptoms, not the root cause.
You sound like a responsible owner of firearms who was raised to be a law-abiding citizen but we no longer live in a country where those values are universal. The US is out of step with the rest of the developed world with regard to gun rights, as evidenced by the horrific statistics.
Actually, I do want to disarm the US. I’m a retired social worker who watched the world recoil in shock and horror when Sandy Hook didn’t result in common sense gun laws. The slaughter of our children mattered of course, but gun rights mattered more.
Children have most recently died from ideology rather than gun laws. Chicago is a proof that gun laws cannot prevent the killing of innocents if a populace is lawless.
That is true, removing guns won't erase xenophobia, racism, misogyny, greed or hatred. It will help those who choose to espouse those traits take fatal action easier.
I urge you to look at gun laws in other countries, such as EU countries, which include background checks, ongoing training and licensing. And don’t forget that the cherished Second Amendment was written by slave owners who only had muskets.
First other countries don’t have a 2nd amendment. Second, counties that allow citizens to bear arms have the lowest crime rates in the world. Third, when hate is expressed as disapproval, there is opportunity to defend and discuss viewpoints of each side. This may mean we walk away still disagreeing, but we get to walk away. When violence is used to destroy someone for disagreeing with our views, then no one can live in freedom.
You didn't read John Ls comments correctly. He didn't say other countries have a 2nd amendment. He said the 2nd amendment was written by slave owners with only muskets. He said other countries have gun laws.
Countries that allow citizens to bare arms, have the lowest crime rates in the world? So the United States has one of the lowest crime rates in the world? Really? Lol.
I’ll play your game. How educated are you? I graduated Suma cum laude with a major in structural engineering and a minor in business, all while working full time.
Its not the ownership of guns .. Its the type of guns easily available to the many! War weapons have no place in the community. A decent human being has no need for personal protection thru the use of repeater guns, weapons used in useless wars!
All the items you mentioned have purposes other than to just kill people. Guns only have one purpose: to kill. People use guns to kill people. I use my car to get from point A to point B, I use an airplane for the same purpose. I use knives to cut meat, and tools to fix things around my house.
I certainly wouldn't want them to see a person being executed in prison. I don't care if it was by lethal injection, or electric chair. I do believe in the death penalty in some cases, but there's no reason for any child to view anything like that. Kirk was just a sick guy. His reason for wanting a child to see that, who knows? He's gone now. I'm not shedding a tear over it. One less MAGA extremist converting all the college students in Utah.
I have no first hand knowledge of any mass shooter and I assume you don’t either. You’re second or third hand information to paint a picture that may not reflect reality.
Trump and his ilk don’t give a shit about Americans… but seeing how many of them seem thrilled that they can now use this tragedy to grasp more power is terrifying.
I’m not at all sure I understand your comment, Ben. The current shooter is in custody. Not all previous school shooters have killed themselves, some are still alive and some are on trial. And I don’t see how resorting to name calling and disparaging remarks helps in any way. But, have a good day, Ben.
Trump is fanning the flames of division with his rhetoric following the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I believe that Trump likes what is happening to our country. Remember Jan. 6, when he sat around for hours watching the destruction of our Capitol.
He has never shown to be the president for all Americans. The man foments hatred and violence everywhere he goes.
Death is, permanent.for sure. I wonder if the present "chief justice" will finally step down? His behavior is certainly not " good" as it must be to stay on the Supreme Court, according to what I read.
Thank you Keith. You’re on the mark. Trump always (1) lies and (2) betrays those around him, as a wise friend of mine pointed out. He’s gaming America (hasn’t he done this right from the start), and media/ politicians can and should do better than follow his lead.
Politicians? Is that what they are? Really? Didn’t they all sign some sacred OATH? What a farce. Did you ever see such a weak bunch of cowards in your life?
It is so hard to tell whether liberals are in the minority. I think the media is complicit in projecting an image of liberals or centrists being the minority and rabid Maga being the majority or at least half. I’m not sure that that is true, but it is very hard to get the truth these days.
We are obviously not better than that ! This entire incident on a very conservative campus, in a very conservative state has been blown out of perspective by our President. Culminating in quite possibly the worst performance by a director of the FBI ever. James Comey and Christopher Wray must be laughing as they watched Kash Patel on the news. So we have a 22 year old white male again who writes on ammunition. Giving bullets some mythical magic power ! Not sane for sure but destined for the firing squad. If that is the choice of execution in Utah.
And after the nutjob hammered Nancy Pelosi's husband's head, obviously trying to MURDER him in the most painful, vicious possible way? No difference. And where was all the whining, moaning and sorrow from the wrong, I mean.. "right"? I have compassion for charlie's family, but to turn him into some kind of a martyr will complete the nazification of america as many people become subject to unwarranted and unacceptable retribution. I pray to God this never happens, nor would the reciprocal response by those so persecuted.
Please study what the Nazis did before calling anyone or especially any group of people that. Your dehumanization of people who disagree with you opens a door for evil to walk in and do the unthinkable.
Dept of State said it was going to look at social media for all immigrants including those on visas to find posts, comments or even just a 'laugh' reaction to Kirk's death, and seek to deport those people. Now how do they search all of that? Complicit social media companies and AI. This is an example of immigrants being the testing ground for a mass-surveillance state targeting American citizens as well, ending free speech.
Perhaps it's also a problem that he appointed lame ass, unqualified MAGAs to vital cabinet positions and fired all of the most knowledgeable, experienced, dedicated civil servants who knew how to handle such matters.
The Ship of State threw all the experienced sailors overboard and kept the drunken pirates on board to handle it all. What could possibly go wrong…other than every damn thing? Are there enough lifeboats for us all? Doubt it. Swim for your lives, folks. Swim!
Kash Patel is one of the most inept, inexperienced and unqualified people to ever head the FBI. It’s all about having Patel turn the FBI into Trump’s personal police force, just like Trump does with ICE. Don’t expect any real solutions from an FBI with Kash Patel in charge.
I note that Pete Hegseth and RFK Jr. are equally inept, inexperienced, and unqualified to hold their cabinet positions.
my first thought was this. I can’t help my thoughts False flag
Or just another “Epstein files”distraction . Only wasn’t a grazed ear this time. It was a neck. And Trump is taking full advantage of this tragedy isn’t he? Demonizing the left. Using it to try to polarize people even more than they are already. Despicable for anyone let alone a president. Besides Trump, there are a lot more people than Trump that don’t want those files released..
Loyalty for hire. With a reward.on someone else's "dime" even though they are broke and vulnerable. It killed some of them and negatively affected their lives. Cost them a lot.
Trump (and others, undoubtedly) will do absolutely ANYTHING to protect themselves from justice of any kind. ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING. He meant it when he said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it. He said this, didn’t he?
Watch the videos. The backgrounds in the two videos are different too. And notice the lack of reaction from the three guys by him. So odd. Normal behavior would be to duck down or at least move in some way. They don’t react at all!
Maybe Trump expected this would be another grazed ear that would allow him to consolidate his power. If worked in Butler, whether he planned it or not, but this shooter wasn't quite as accurate.
False flag would make sense, give Charlie Kirk a flesh wound and raise his profile. Maybe even groom him as the next Republican Presidential candidate.
Now Trump has a murder on his hands. Fortunately he has inept investigators he can control and who will come to whatever conclusion he chooses.
How's that for a conspiracy theory? Pass it around.
Professor Reich: you wrote: "I don’t know at this writing who was responsible for Kirk’s death, and Trump certainly didn’t know when he made these remarks Wednesday night" -- REALLY?? i suspect that this was a hired "hit" on charlie kirKKK because charlie openly called for the release of the Epstein files only a couple days prior (which would certainly have outraged trump), and due to the obvious skill of the shooting itself (although i'm no expert, a single shot from 200 yards away is rather spectacular shooting, i'd say)
and when the orange tyrant said (as you quoted): “My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law-enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country.” do you think he was warning MAGA to watch their step? i certainly do not.
all that said, i absolutely agree with you that "There is no excuse for political violence in America. Nor is there any excuse for provoking even more of it by blaming it on one side or the other." the last thing we need in this broken, raging country is yet more violence. once the bullets begin to fly, the country will be irreparably damaged -- families and friends torn apart by waves of hatred and desire for vengeance. you'd think we all would have learned our lesson after the civil war, but it seems we refuse to learn from the past so we are doomed to repeat it again and again. what a horrifying thought.
You do realize the Biden administration had the Epstein files? They tried to destroy Trump; don’t you think they would have saved the time, money and energy if they could have just released the Epstein files? Seems like they would have done that…
Trump will never take responsibility for his actions. He is more than likely to be the promoting violence not quelling it! Everything he says is to sow fear and to terrorise the people. He knows this but deliberately names his own misbehaviour and says it's the "radical left!" I think we're all used to this by now. He won't ever change. Hang in there people. RESIST!
Most of Americans want common sense gun laws like every other major country has. Our president refuses to call out his own party for supporting the corrupt NRA for fighting for no regulations that could save lives from needless gun violence. We on the left know that this shooting is horrible. As are any shootings at schools, clinics, places of worship, etc. we aren’t keeping score. This isn’t a competition. Show some compassion not such callousness playing the blame game.
During the first Trump administration I came up with a hashtag to counter the red hat:
#HateMakesNothingGreat
I wanted those that wore it to understand that dynamic. Then when my own fervor wore off, I realized how easy it was to be hypocritical on the concept.
So I temper the intoxication that hate can provide, and offer my ego the option of choosing a perspective without all the absolutism.
So apart from the orange guy, the pedal is never all the way to the floor. Damn close, yes, but only Stephen Miller has the same degree of evil in his heart.
It’s so sad to me that not only does Trump never back the hate off just a tiny bit, with every #ProSTRIFE travesty he inflicts on us or tragedy that he capitalizes on, the hate quotient is always much higher.
Trump condones and thrives on political violence. He's been spoiling for an outright confrontation ever since he rode that golden elevator down to land in the fragile lobby of political reality. He's been busting things up ever since.
Spewing all manner of hatred under the guise of free speech and manners is still hate speech and inciting of hate. I’m not burdened by the “empathy” he derided.
Trump is bitching yet again----Today Trump placed all of this country's social unrest squarely upon the shoulders of the far left. What in the hell is the far left? Our political theater consists of 3 basic elements: The Democrats, The Independants, and of course the Republicans. Trump pointed to several incidents involving various degrees of violence all directed against members of the (Far Right) Republican party. He stated these acts of violence must stop! However, Mr. Trump neglected to mention any of the violent acts carried out against the Democrats by members of his own political gang. Why is that? Charlie Kirk would be alive today if he had chosen to follow a member of the Democratic party instead of the lunatic he befriended. Trump's entire movement is orchestrated around hatred of one thing or another, which he just isn't smart enough to understand. Instead of surrounding himself with the minds of experts who could help guide him through this country's everydays problems. Mr. Trump has selected a group of inapt morons who unscrew a light bulb by spinning the ladder while the orange guy holds onto the burned out bulb, and he has the gall to point fingers at the only party with which this country has a future. Now he wants to give Mr. Kirk a metal for his conduct, what conduct. All Kirk ever did was glorify a man who had the power to make gold lose its luster. Mr. Trump, unless you would like to join your outspoken friend I would suggest you tone things down just a bit. Your ridiculous rhetoric is tearing this country apart. Who do I blame for our current debacle? Ranking Republicans who don't have the stones necessary to control a rogue President. Trump's women are floozies, his men are marshmallows, and there isn't an honest American among them, and he wonders why he is having difficulties being the President of a country that doesn't want him.
Yeah, trump, when are you going to condemn ALL VIOLENCE? A decent leader would. But I digress...
He loves violence, but he's too cunning to do it himself, he prefers to incite others to violence for him.
Tom, you are correct. His love of using others for violence is just like his use of other people’s money. He brags about that too. That is how his father raised him. Always use other people to do what you want. That way you can deny having any real responsibility for bad (read “horrendous “) actions.
True. Trump’s sadism is a feature of his antisocial personality disorder, although he personally would rather not dirty his tiny little hands. I could envision him enjoying the gladiator games in Ancient Rome. He did sit on his ample posterior on January 6, 2021 watching his followers invade the Capitol and attack the Capitol police.
Yes, Kathy, you are absolutely correct. And no doubt on January 6, 2021, he began plotting his comeback and how he would pardon every one of those rioters, while denying he had anything to do with causing it. He says so many stupid things, we sometimes forget to give him credit for how downright devious he is. Of course, he has also surrounded himself this time with the most despicable toadies he could find.
First they came for the immigrants:
The State Department yesterday said it would review the legal status of immigrants “praising, rationalizing, or making light” of Charlie Kirk’s shooting
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/11/charlie-kirk-shooting-immigrants-state-department
As i was watching the Jan 6,2021 riots unfold, i kept thinking, where is the National Guard,????? Why isn't someone stopping this??? And now, the ignorant freak is screaming that the Dems are responsible, or, ''radical left lunatics'' are responsible for the shooting of that Charlie Kirk loudmouth. And then these criminals that participated in this despicable act were pardoned. Donald TUMP is not only stupid, but he is ignorant, arrogant, racist, and by far the most disgusting and rotten human being on the planet. He is a true, and horrible freak of nature!!
His vassals may invade Chicago next.
Well, yes. He’s been baiting Gov. Pritzker about it.
He's backed down on Chicago for now. Missouri seems to be his next KBG attack on citizens.
ICE already shot down someone in Chicago.
C K, Trump has surrounded himself with people who are perfectly fine with either committing violence or further inciting it. Trump is a coward and always has been. I hear he is/was charming in some way so got people to do whatever he wanted. I don't get it because if people actually listened to his "charm," they would hear the lack of sincerity. I probably had to listen to it more than most because I could not see his face or his movements which were supposed at one time, to prove confidence. He always sounded to me to be an empty suit, if he had one on, I didn't know. I admit I only heard him interviewed on talk shows or when he was making his pronouncements when opening buildings or something. I heard little that was sincere. That has been his hallmark as president too, no sincerity unless he was blaming, calling for revenge, or threatening someone. He does not know how to do anything positive for anyone but himself and occasionally for his "whisperers" and then only to keep them on his leash.
Ruth, I assure you that if you could see him, you would know by his snarky grin that he is the most insincere person in the world. I will never know how he manages to fool so many people.
CK, it is helpful to know that I am not as far off the mark as I had thought. I do wish others could hear, really hear him too.
Ruth, you are badly mistaken.
Victor, I'm sorry you think so, but hey, disagreement is part of democracy!
Exactly WHAT is she mistaken about?
And it appears he has plans to incite more violence through stochastic terrorism.
The British commentator on ATP Globalpolitics YouTube conjectured whether Kirk's assassination could be Trump's Kristallnacht. Trump's comments sure seem to point in that direction. He has a record of inciting stochastic violence. Here's a link to the historical reference. The parallels are unnerving.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
I actually had the thought run through my mind that it's altogether possible that Trump had some part in it because for sure, the Epstein files have been out of the news since Kirk was killed.... Then I said, Pat, bite your tongue. Which I did.
I would not doubt it at all. Anything that helps him. A narcissistic monster.
Patricia, on one thing you are unquestionably right: the killer of Kirk did Trump an enormous favor.
No, Patricia, don't bite your tongue! Say what you think! I hate Donald Trump more than I could hate ten other people put together AND the devil! I am just waiting and HOPING and PRAYING and DREAMING and FANTASIZING about the ASSASSINATION OF DONALD TRUMP! IT IS ABSOLUTE TWILIGHT ZONE MATERIAL WE ARE BEING FORCED TO LIVE IN BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WITH THE AUTHORITY -- THE DOJ, THE SUPREME COURT, THE REPUGS, SO-CALLED "ATTORNEY GENERAL" BONDI, THE FBI, THE MILITARY -- WILL DO NOTHING TO STOP THE MONSTER IN THE OVAL OFFICE!!! DEATH TO DONALD TRUMP!!!!! HIS DEMISE CANNOT COME SOON ENOUGH!!! DEATH TO DONALD TRUMP!! DEATH TO DONALD TRUMP!! MAY . . . IT . . . BE . . . SLOW . . . AND . . . PAINFUL!!!
Klare, please be careful of public comments, since there are actual laws about threatening the president. I awake every morning, to check if he has died in some manner, but never publicly speculate about assassination of POTUS. Care about you
Oh Patricia, I had that thought too. At least the guy is alive this time so maybe we'll find some kind of honest motive, well that is if he is not tortured into some confession that fits Baby Donnie's demented brain as "the right one."
Ruth......trump loves the death penalty!!! The death penalty is on the table for the shooter of Kirk unless there is a deal to take it off the table if he pleads guilty.
You also can find parallels in the Soviet experience: the creation of the Lenin cult, with Stalin as high priest, also the assassination Kirov, followed by a terror campaign.
Or their Horst Wessel.
More like coward. Bone spurs…and after meeting with Putin and he said NO he walked away like he had shit his pants!
I was going to write the same thing. It's pure cowardice.
He's known to be incontinent.
Winston, I don't have a problem with someone being incontinent because, one's body can just do that. However, I to have a problem with cutting healthcare for millions while one has the best in the world for free, that is unacceptable and needs to be called out at every turn, even mentioning that incontinence is not a sin or disqualifier, but cutting people's healthcare is.
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TOM - You are correct. The Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are standing back and standing by again. They are once again calling for people to give into their hatred and commit violence for absolutely no good reason whatsoever. A lot of the J6ers who were pardoned are openly calling for more to join them. They don’t think that they have much to lose since they believe that T will either not investigate them or will pardon them again. Sadly, they are probably right.
Haven't they joined ICE yet?
Victor - Probably. Where else can they get a $50,000 sign up bonus and carry a gun while doing what they love most - hating on people. Maybe J6 was just their probationary period.
Anon . . . How sick and infuriating that the seat of justice in this country gave a traitorous insurrectionist A PASS, EVEN ENABLING HIM TO BECOME PRESIDENT AGAIN!!! The United States of COWARDICE could take a few lessons from Brazil!!
That's because he's a coward! Cowards incite but never fight!
Cowardly is more like it. He did avoid going to war multiple times, so bravery and patriotism are clearly not something he subscribes to.
Tom --The term "Cunning" is giving Trump more credit than he deserves. I say his absence form the frey is the result of his cowardice, nothing more.
I agree. He has always loved the chaos and purposefully stokes division. The more we “fight” with each other, he then calls this unrest an Emergency that requires the force of the military to quell the unrest throughout key locations in the country. Then next, he’s manipulated the necessary levers of government and declares Martial Law!
Tragically. we can well imagine what happens next. We must always stay More than one step ahead of him!
Totally it!
Cunning?? Mm. Several other words come to mind...
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that Elon Musk said "The Left is the party of murder" on Twitter. Even the suspect has not been caught, countless fake news stories are created by the right, claiming the killer is a leftist.
Anytime someone says that, use this:
The man who targeted and killed Melissa Hortman was a trump supporter.
The man who targeted the home of Democratic Governor Josh Shapiro was a trump supporter.
The men who wanted to hang Mike Pence on Jan. 6th were all trump supporters.
The man who targeted and killed the son of Obama appointed District Judge Esther Salas was a trump supporter.
The men who were convicted trying to kidnap Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer, were trump supporters.
The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Obama and Biden was a trump supporter.
There is no equivalent or even similar list of Obama or Biden supporters who have carried out similar murders, attempted murders, or violent attacks.
Don't let any false fact go unchecked by republicans. If the elected democrats won't speak up, let everyone else speak up.
Thanks for the fact checking.
Awww, poor Elon. Desperate for attention.
It is the message that gets out there first that usually sticks
I wish Musk would have the self-awareness to avoid speculation, but he does not.
you realize of course he's doing it INTENTIONALLY. This is not an act of any kind, this is who Elon has always been. Even the people who know him or who meet him for even a few minutes realize this, much the same as the famous people in Epstein's birthday book joked about and knew that he was a pedophile, and that he and trump were best friends because of their equal love for molesting young girls.
Oh, definitely. Musk does what he intends to do.
I believe they do it purposefully - to create more hate and disdain between the political parties.
Yes, like pouring gasoline on the flames.
I wish Felon Musk would go the way of Trump--death by an assassin's bullet!
No, Karen. No more assassins, please. I'd prefer to have them live long enough to see what their malignant narcissism brings them to. I especially want to see tRumPutin lose everything he has stolen, and then spend his miserable old age in prison.
My name is not "Karen," Paula!!! It is Klare!!! You have written me many long posts about yourself, yet you have suddenly taken to calling me by another name!
The problem, Paula, is that it's not going to happen! You are dreaming if you think Trump will ever go to prison! The people of this planet just need to get him OFF THE PLANET! Hasn't he done ENOUGH DAMAGE YET for you to be fed up???
No! Violence breeds more violence.
Anyone who thinks that Republican violence is going to recede is just as foolish as anyone who believes that they will give up power now that the American public has turned against them.
That's not how any of this works.
Baloney, Ron! Eventually, even the STUPID REPUGS WILL GET THE MESSAGE!
I can’t agree with this. All it does is make our side look worse.
Klare K, you are either a Trump troll or you are missing some brain cells.
Victor, I often wonder at your ignorance and stupidity! I . . . HATE . . . DONALD DRUMPF THE DEMENTED YAM DUMPSTER TRUMPLETHINSKIN NO BRAINS TRUMP!!! MY IQ IS PROBABLY 50 POINTS ABOVE Y-O-U-R-S! GO BACK TO WHATEVER FOREIGN COUNTRY YOU SNUCK IN HERE FROM!!! ("KAMENDROWSKY" IS ABOUT AS FOREIGN AS YOU CAN GET!!!) HAVE YOU GOT A GREEN CARD OR PERMANENT VISA???
Musk, another purveyor of hate and division
The killer must be a rightist then!
Musk is all over spreading his bile and hate in this and other countries. I'm waiting for England 🏴 to boot his ass from their airwaves, then possibly we can do the same here.
Musk is all over spreading his bile and hate in this and other countries. I'm waiting for England 🏴 to boot his ass from their airwaves, then possibly we can do the same here.
Rikeijin - Agree with the others that he is doing it on purpose. Why wait for the facts when that only complicates their narrative? I just read from Allison Gill that the alleged shooter was non affiliated and his parents are both registered republicans. What was engraved on the ammunition was in reference to a video game and not “leftist” ideology or transgender ideology. But those facts probably won’t change the minds of the people who wish to believe in the unproven narrative of why the alleged shooter did what he did.
Key word decent.......
Jayson - He pretty much summed it up when he answered the question of what he was going to do to bring the country back together with “I could care less”. If they would stop pulling highly skilled agents away from actual investigations to do immigration work and instead concentrating on trying to Prevent crime maybe this would not have happened. If the head of the FBI and other unqualified officials didn’t leak the names of the two held as persons of interest maybe they would not have been doxxed by others who are ruining their lives for being innocent. Maybe our tax dollars would not have been spent to fly his body on Air Force Two and instead Kirk would be going home to his family alive. This is the failure of the people who have glorified violence and hate instead of remembering why we all came together after 9/11 (and the other wars we have fought). The terrorists we fear are no longer coming at us from outside the country but from inside. When we need a leader they are no where to be found.
Stop pining for leaders. One will emerge in due course. In the meantime we must stay active, connected, and organized.
Victor - It’s hard not to pine for a leader when one is needed now. If you think that one will emerge and be able to bring us back together then I will try to wait - but patience has always eluded me.
I heard on NPR yesterday, I think it was, that Obama is going to run for president again. Is that true? Can he run again? Maybe he can . . . maybe they just can't have three terms in a row but are eligible to run after a certain period of time has passed. God, WOULDN'T IT BE WONDERFUL TO HAVE SOMEONE IN OFFICE AGAIN WHO CAN SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY AND WITH ELEGANCE, AND WHO DOESN'T HATE EVERYONE!!!???
Klare - Yes, it would be absolutely wonderful if we had someone like Obama, or even Obama again, who would be the responsible adult in the room. From what I understand, and my knowledge is limited in most areas, is that regardless of when a person served as president they are limited to only two terms. I know that T is going to ignore the constitution but I think his age will prevent that. I have heard that if he does in fact try it many people have said that Obama should run again. I don’t think Michelle would allow it though. I also don’t believe that he wants to do it either. It would be interesting if the other people surrounding T would want him to run since they are priming up his heir apparent. But if he tries it, and the SC allows it, why shouldn’t we try everything possible to bring back Obama?
Giving a medal to a known racist and misogynist while completely ignoring what happened in Minnesota and in schools across the country is unconscionable!🤬😈💀😡
The speech designed to inflame can earn one a living and a death. https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/bilious-hate-mongering?r=3m1bs
Donald, unbelievable that Trump has the flags flying at half-staff. Yea, step right up, Ladies and Gentlemen, let's glorify an abject hater! DIS-----------------GUSTING!!!!
Hello Klare... Did you see DJT's Address Last Nite?.... Very Low Energy, and DJT could barely Talk.... Today, at the 9/11 Memorial, the Right Side of his Face was Fallen... Stroke?... October 19th is Coming Closer....
Yet no one has said a word. They are still talking about Biden. Unbelievable media!
Why? Is that when these fucktards will die? Too much to even hope for
Sarah, keep the faith! 😊😇🙃 Anything can happen!
hope so
Apache, no, I don't have TV viewing of any kind. What is Oct. 19? Another No Kings Day protest?
October 18 is the next No Kings Day.
Hello Klare... The Astrologers, and Spiritual Indigenous say that it will be a Significant Day...
Oh, hallelujah! I believe in that prediction/declaration sincerely and to the utmost. Coming on the heels of another No Kings protest/demonstration day, maybe Trump will do himself in, turning it into a major FURY & HISSING day!!!
Back in the New Age days of the late '60s and '70s, there was an astrology publication, what was it called? Published in Oregon, the Bear Mountain Press or something like that. I should try and look it up and see if I can order it. I used to really follow astrology. I had so many peoples' Natal Astrological charts drawn up by The Association for Research and Enlightenment over in Virginia Beach, the group that formed around Edgar Cayce, the foremost American prophet. (Do you know about him?) Not only did they do the charts, but they included 30 - 40 printed-out pages with them for each person. Fascinating stuff, they were so accurate.
Plus, a Congressperson (MTG, I think), has introduced a bill to build a statue of Charlie Kirk in the Capitol. (Is that basically an F.U. to non-Republicans, similar to building monuments to Confederate figures in the South was to blacks?)
Diane - But, yet, they refuse to hang up the plaque to honor the law enforcement officers who died due to J6. What bullsh*t and hypocrisy.
T says that he is upset about people who go after judges and law enforcement but he is the one who is doing it. Or he has other people do it for him. People need to step back and take a pause while looking in the mirror before they speak. Nothing but projection.
What he means is that critics of the Supreme Court will be targeted. Only the Supreme Court can stop this slide into chaos. In the meantime, we must not be intimidated.
Victor - He has attacked judges he himself appointed because they dared to follow the law. You are right in that he needs his SC judges because they are the only ones who keep letting him get away with it all. Didn’t know that they could be so limber as they continue to pretzel themselves in all forms to help T create chaos.
they should put it next to the statue they'll build of the J6 protestors.
Gasoline on a fire
Diane, MTG (or whoever made that suggestion) CAN BLOW IT OUT THEIR ASS!
Horrible!🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮
It sure appears that way.
But not for Jimmy Carter
Linda, did you mean no one has suggested a statue honoring Jimmy Carter?
I am SO OVER hearing EVERY news program on NPR discussing/centering around Charlie Kirk! God, what is the fascination with him??? You'd think he was some kind of national hero!!! He chose the wrr-o-on-nng path! (Wonder if he's had a taste of Hell yet???)
Wwll said!
The tragedy of humanity isn't so much the viciousness of violence but it's sublime supporters. Many journalist shed tears when Charlie Kirk was assassinated but forgot he liked to pose with Kyle Rittenhouse and stood firm with a tyrant: Donald Trump and his pro gun policies. If you live by the sword you die by the sword…I believe that the pen is mightier than the sword .. Truth not politically correct jargon matters more.
Karma’s a funny thing. This administration won’t be in power forever. When change finally comes, I hope the first formal action of a humbled and contrite US is to join ICC and pursue charges of crimes against humanity. Some ICC nations have notorious prisons: La Makala (Congo), Kamiti (Kenya), Muhanga (Rwanda), and Mendoza (Argentina). I don’t normally indulge in schadenfreude but in this case, I’ll make an exception.
How about we pass him around to all of them?? Let him experience the horrors of all of them!!!
“Sublime supporters”…nice word for enablers, syncopates and a complicit MSM.
Absolutely
Including the racist SCOTUS
Here’s the thing Donald…They WANT to tear this country apart. They’re banking on it (literally). If you don’t believe me, just ask Steve Bannon or the guys at the Heritage. The death of Charlie Kirk is horrible indeed, but creates a perfect storm for yet far more division and animosity… as if there isn’t enough already.
It's sad this man was killed. I didn't like his message at all! Woman have so much more to give than what he said they needed. But he didn't have to die, this really smells like a set up to me. Whoever did it was definitely a professional at shooting and this had been carefully planned for him so easily to escape.
Been caught not a professional. 22 year old.
Read Jack Hopkins’ Substack on why he wasn’t a sniper. Written before we knew who it was. 👹
Exactly. I had to wonder at least for a little bit if Donald Trump and company planned the whole thing as a distraction away from the Epstein files, and a way to up level his assault on the American people
True
I swear, trump is the most mentally, emotionally, spiritually and physically exhausting person to deal with. He spews lies on an infinite loop or inserts nonsense about windmills in between lies. How the hell did we as a nation get to this point, where the best leader we could produce was trump. This fact alone infuriates me, because I look back at the past leaders that we had like Obama and Jimmy Carter or the leaders we could of had like Bernie Sanders or Kamala Harris, who were intelligent, compassionate and thoughtful leaders that put the welfare of all Americans first and choose to unify instead of divide. We as a nation deserve better than this. We deserve better than trump.
Trump is trying to create animosity against liberal voters so that his followers can start taking matters into their own hands. He is the one spewing the hatred to anyone who has any left leaning beliefs. He wants a civil war. He wants to intimidate democrats and liberals to be afraid to speak out, to be afraid to vote. He wants a reason to discount liberal votes and liberal lives.
Liberal voters don't support what happened to Charlie Kirk. But Charlie Kirk himself supported what happened to him. Is anyone going to talk about that?
The man who targeted and killed Melissa Hortman was a trump supporter.
The man who targeted the home of Democratic Governor Josh Shapiro was a trump supporter.
The men who wanted to hang Mike Pence on Jan. 6th were all trump supporters.
The man who targeted and killed the son of Obama appointed District Judge Esther Salas was a trump supporter.
The men who were convicted trying to kidnap Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer, were trump supporters.
The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Obama and Biden was a trump supporter.
There is no equivalent or even similar list of Obama or Biden supporters who have carried out similar murders, attempted murders, or violent attacks.
Is ANYONE from the democratic party going to get out on the news and talk about the violence that comes from the Republican party followers of trump or the president himself when he talks about liberals as radical and hating this country and how much he hates them?
You’re absolutely right Camille. I don’t understand why Dems are hesitant to get in front of this and put a much needed spotlight on the political violence perpetrated by trump supporters. So, unless their strategy to win midterms, is to let trump and MAGA dog walk them.
This is how people with Malignant narcissism are. Its part of the diagnosis. The only difference is because 40 million people were conned into voting for him, and the Democrats couldn't be bothered to field a candidate who could warm a cup of tea, we have to deal with him.
The only good thing to come out of this will be the dissolution of the United States, and if we don't do that then we're just as stupid as the rubes that voted for Trump.
God-damn, Elijah, that sure goes without saying!!!
Yes Donald, inept morons, that is what they are.
But I have read that before. Should we not try to think about the reasons for this terrible situation? Of course: Trump adds fuel to the fire, but did he start the flame?
The polarisation is going on for decades, I think. The commercial interests cause segmentation in the public debate. When diverstity is not unevitable, democracy dies.
Hello Tom... Read RR's Book, 'Coming Up Short'...
It is on my table: I read the first 100 pages and he's got my attention...
Just landed on my table yesterday.
If there is a far left, it’s fairly small. Most people are trying to hang on as Trump and his billionaire and theocratic allies wreck the country for their benefit.
To tRumPutin, the 'far left' is anyone who isn't maga. Including Republicans. Look at how he's attacked judges - even those appointed by hard-right presidents, like Reagan. I think even one or two of his own. Any person who doesn't agree 100% with him is a 'far-left lunatic'.
True. To MAGA, the far left is anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Some call Democrats Communists, which is totslly false. Cultural Marxism isn’t a thing, it was a phrase invented by a white supremacist looking for an excuse for not attracting a bigger following. What many of us want is a system fair to all, one that assists the traditionally disadvantaged, and capitalism regulated to protect the common good and public interest.
You left out one big group - the apolitical. The ones who simply cannot be motivated to engage and vote. In essence, they are why we find ourselves where we are. Fascism happens because people allow it to happen. The last go-around with them wasn't because people gave up their majority rights to them -- Hitler didn't win the 1932 election. He was just well positioned. tRump didn't have a majority - he put all of his effort into getting the electoral college votes he needed - you know, election by acerage.
"Just because you take no interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you."
Pericles
No-one in America benefits more from this than Donald Trump.
a) It certainly knocks the 'Epstein Scandal' off of the airwaves. The GOP senate already took advantage of this distraction to make two controversial moves to benefit Trump.
(and BTW, Charie Kirk was one righty talker who was giving Trump, Pam Bondi, etc. some guff over the Epstein issue);
b) This will motivate Trump's MAGA base, and rally righties into a frenzy of hate toward liberals, and likely bring some who were a bit concerned about Epstein back into the fold;
c) Trump can (and will likely) use this event as a rationale to further ramp up his efforts to expand his personal 'police state' tactics; and
d) This will at least temporarily reduce public speaking events by Democrats and Trump critics, for concern over their own safety in 'revenge' attacks.
So if this was done by some politically motivated liberal, it was massively stupid in terms of the political impacts it will have.
If this was done covertly for right-wing objectives, we are in worse trouble than I thought.
Regardless of who it was, there is no question that Trump is using it for political advantage.
Thank you, Martin, for 'saying the quiet parts out loud'. Everything you said rings true.
It is renewing my interest in active politics to hear such eloquence of what is —you might well lead a flock of advocates for whatever is your good church
Donald, OMG! Well said! Trump is having more and more difficulty keeping things straight. He needs his "whisperers" to keep filling his mind with what is going on so he can almost make sense. He can then, supply the hate, blaming, and threats because that is what he has done all his life and even in his dementia, he can dredge those up for any situation. All the "whisperers" hve to say is "Democrats" or "left" or "woke" and Trump is off and running his mouth. You are also right about the disgusting assembly of pathetic entities Trump has surrounded himself with. Together they are a mass of dishonesty, ignorance, hatred, whiteness, maleness (with women who have decided they are only of value if they do whatever men tell them to do), and pseudochristians. That represents a minority of Americans, and right now, not a very popular minority, a bunch that despises America and Americans. That anyone still supports this toddler pool is unbelievable.
A suggestion--I worked very closely with several police agencies in my younger days. To a man, each member of those departments was an over all good human being. I would hate to think that anything could happen to them. By broadcasting, openly, that the DOJ or the prosecution is actively pursuing the death penality, puts uniformed officers in an elevated level of danger. Don't tell anyone the death penality is on the table. The perpetrator has already killed someone, the taking of additional lives wouldn't be hard to imagine, so why push him. A peaceful surrender is the obvious solution to a man hunt, but knowing he is facing the death penality might force an individual who houses an elevated degree of self preservation to fight to the end, putting local officers in harm's way, needlessly. Keep any thoughts of applying the death penality to an open case of murder on the "QT."
Luckily, he was persuaded to give himself up.
"What in the hell is the far left?" Most thinking folks realize it's a vague and "fictitious" bogeyman used by the trump regime and the GOP to demonize dems and terrorize the ignorant masses into voting republican.
This ugly repetitive blather is getting SO TIRED and worn out. Is anybody out there even listening other than the crackpots?
This is the Reichstag moment Donald, the predicate for a crackdown on the opposition. Starting with the trans community. Ah pastor Niemoller, we should have listened.
Trump as president has enhanced responsibility to tone down the violent rhetoric, because he has the most influence over the country's culture and environment. But if there's one thing consistent about Trump, it is that he will always find someone else to blame.
There is a possible motive for the individual who shot Charlie Kirk, other than opposition to his political and social views: jealousy. Charlie Kirk had become a major influencer, with access to the president and other movers and shakers. The shooter, who is thought to be a young man, obviously has far less influence. Maybe he was angry that Charlie Kirk was apparently beloved by many, while he was not. My local news is filled with reports of guns being used to resolve all sorts of disputes.
And . . . whaddaya know! The aleged killer is republican and even dressed as Donald Trump for Halloween one year!
Or, more likely, deny having said them.
I find it intriguing that law enforcement are calling for the death penalty for the perpetrator whereas schoolchildren only get thoughts and prayers when someone shoots them.
Lets not forget the Evergreen CO school shooting the same day as Kirk. The authorities have only said that the young shooter was "radicalized" but they did not indicate what ideology had radicalized him. From this point on we will never get all the facts about anything .
Which is why so many people have migrated to independent media, so they can as least get some information that’s grounded in reality, truth and facts.
Exactly. I don’t watch it anymore and even avoid listening to it with others. So much that I will leave after saying what needs to be told about the idiocracy.
I’ve lost friends and family members because of the “news”
Thank you Warwick. You’ve nailed it.
“Intriguing”!!!!! There’s the understatement of the year. (Which I expect you intended).
I will point out that most of the people who have shot to schools are fatally shot by themselves or law enforcement.
But, then, nothing is done about the guns…….
It’s guns in the hands of emotionally disturbed people. Those people needed help.
It's the guns.
I have owned guns for decades. Not one of them has ever gotten out of the safe, gone somewhere and killed someone. If you are going to make gun ownership illegal because they can be used by people for illicit activities or to kill someone, then you have to make automobiles, knives, airplanes, tools, etc. illegal as well, because they have been misused for the same purpose.
Your argument is a classic straw man. Guns are tools, just like automobiles and airplanes, but we make people get training and licenses to use those tools. You need a driver's or pilots license to use them, but when someone suggests even the simplest gun safety courses we hear people scream fascism and communism - yes, both - and pressure their legislators to protect our inviolable right to blow each others' heads off using portable ordnance.
After the 9/11 attacks, there were moves to implement background checks at flight schools, a wise idea, but not a single call from the right for background checks for owning or using guns. Eddie, if you really want to draw a parallel between guns and airplanes, I expect you will support such a move.
I'm waiting.
The people that flew planes into buildings, didn’t have licenses. Gangbangers in Chicago, where some of the most restrictive gun laws in America are on the books, are shooting and killing in complete disregard for said laws. People competently flew planes for decades before licensing was required by the government. Automobiles were driven competently for decades before the government required licenses. Your position is the “straw man”, advocating that government regulations can somehow solve this problem.
Eddie, my grandfather broke his arm turning the crank to start his Model T Ford in the early days of automobiles, a common accident. He tasked my father, then twelve years old, with driving him around for his job on winding mountain roads. No licensing was even imagined then. My father said he hardly ever saw another car on the road in 1920.
Regulations come after there is a great enough need for them to even be proposed. Do we not have a big enough problem with gun violence to propose regulations to make a dent in the problem?
I’m not advocating that training and safety are not critical for gun ownership. The government is not capable of regulating gun ownership without making their role onerous at best, destructive at worst.
That is because most of the guns used for crime in Chicago and other cities come from states with loose gun laws. GH
It’s still illegal to bring them back to Chicago, no matter where they are purchased. Making something illegal does nothing to stop it from happening. It’s illegal to murder people everywhere in this country and it still happens. The problem is evil and the law can only deal with the symptoms, not the root cause.
You sound like a responsible owner of firearms who was raised to be a law-abiding citizen but we no longer live in a country where those values are universal. The US is out of step with the rest of the developed world with regard to gun rights, as evidenced by the horrific statistics.
You are correct! However, disarming people like me will not resolve the downward spiral our society now finds itself in…
No one wants to disarm you. We want common sense gun safety laws. But gun worshippers want nothing. And so children continue to die ...
Actually, I do want to disarm the US. I’m a retired social worker who watched the world recoil in shock and horror when Sandy Hook didn’t result in common sense gun laws. The slaughter of our children mattered of course, but gun rights mattered more.
Children have most recently died from ideology rather than gun laws. Chicago is a proof that gun laws cannot prevent the killing of innocents if a populace is lawless.
Disarming people will, by definition, reduce gun deaths. That’s my first priority. The US loses 132 residents each day to gun violence. Peace out. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/05/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/
That is true, removing guns won't erase xenophobia, racism, misogyny, greed or hatred. It will help those who choose to espouse those traits take fatal action easier.
I urge you to look at gun laws in other countries, such as EU countries, which include background checks, ongoing training and licensing. And don’t forget that the cherished Second Amendment was written by slave owners who only had muskets.
Perhaps the second amendment should be reinterpreted to apply only to muskets?
First other countries don’t have a 2nd amendment. Second, counties that allow citizens to bear arms have the lowest crime rates in the world. Third, when hate is expressed as disapproval, there is opportunity to defend and discuss viewpoints of each side. This may mean we walk away still disagreeing, but we get to walk away. When violence is used to destroy someone for disagreeing with our views, then no one can live in freedom.
You didn't read John Ls comments correctly. He didn't say other countries have a 2nd amendment. He said the 2nd amendment was written by slave owners with only muskets. He said other countries have gun laws.
Countries that allow citizens to bare arms, have the lowest crime rates in the world? So the United States has one of the lowest crime rates in the world? Really? Lol.
Name another country that allows its citizens to have assault rifles and machine guns.
I beg your pardon? Perhaps educate yourself!
I’ll play your game. How educated are you? I graduated Suma cum laude with a major in structural engineering and a minor in business, all while working full time.
Its not the ownership of guns .. Its the type of guns easily available to the many! War weapons have no place in the community. A decent human being has no need for personal protection thru the use of repeater guns, weapons used in useless wars!
At this point, I think it’s both. The US is unique in that we have more firearms (400M) than residents. I’m a retired social worker who would like to follow NZ’s lead and disarm completely. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/europe/gun-laws-australia-britain.html
All the items you mentioned have purposes other than to just kill people. Guns only have one purpose: to kill. People use guns to kill people. I use my car to get from point A to point B, I use an airplane for the same purpose. I use knives to cut meat, and tools to fix things around my house.
A car’s history of provenance, owners, accidents, taxes paid, etc., should be applied to all guns.
Thank you for being a responsible gun owner! I meant that we need better control, not to take away everyone’s guns.
Sad, isn’t it? Saw a bit where Kirk was saying that children should watch an execution ..it would be good for them to see. WHAT?
He was sending a violent message.
I certainly wouldn't want them to see a person being executed in prison. I don't care if it was by lethal injection, or electric chair. I do believe in the death penalty in some cases, but there's no reason for any child to view anything like that. Kirk was just a sick guy. His reason for wanting a child to see that, who knows? He's gone now. I'm not shedding a tear over it. One less MAGA extremist converting all the college students in Utah.
I agree..so far, shooters have been Republicans.
I have no first hand knowledge of any mass shooter and I assume you don’t either. You’re second or third hand information to paint a picture that may not reflect reality.
Is the death penalty available in Minnesota?
Well put 👏
Trump and his ilk don’t give a shit about Americans… but seeing how many of them seem thrilled that they can now use this tragedy to grasp more power is terrifying.
Well it’d be hard to give the death penalty to someone who shot himself. Are…are you retarded @Warwick Annear ?
I’m not at all sure I understand your comment, Ben. The current shooter is in custody. Not all previous school shooters have killed themselves, some are still alive and some are on trial. And I don’t see how resorting to name calling and disparaging remarks helps in any way. But, have a good day, Ben.
Ain’t that the truth. It’s so much easier to TSK and say meaningless words than to actually think of what is really needed, and do it.
Can you tell us how you want the school shooter to get the death penalty when he killed himself?
Sick world, eh? Take a look: https://www.stopchemtrails.nl/p/beam-me-up-scotty-the-captain-kirk
Is this what you want from your president?
Trump is fanning the flames of division with his rhetoric following the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I believe that Trump likes what is happening to our country. Remember Jan. 6, when he sat around for hours watching the destruction of our Capitol.
He has never shown to be the president for all Americans. The man foments hatred and violence everywhere he goes.
Aren’t we better than this?
I had always thought so. It is heartbreaking to find I was wrong.
Take heart, TRUMP is not US. Hopefully he will be history, and gone. The sooner, the better.
Ah..but the damage may be permanent.
Let's hope not. He will not live forever. And who will want his sycophants?
I expect a succession war after he dies.
Likely
He is not immortal.
Death is, permanent.for sure. I wonder if the present "chief justice" will finally step down? His behavior is certainly not " good" as it must be to stay on the Supreme Court, according to what I read.
Me too!
Thank you Keith. You’re on the mark. Trump always (1) lies and (2) betrays those around him, as a wise friend of mine pointed out. He’s gaming America (hasn’t he done this right from the start), and media/ politicians can and should do better than follow his lead.
Politicians? Is that what they are? Really? Didn’t they all sign some sacred OATH? What a farce. Did you ever see such a weak bunch of cowards in your life?
😂 (wet rags hanging on the washing line..!!)
We could certainly use a better leader, who respects the rule of law, decency, and the Constitution, which he pretended to swear an oath to uphold.
He is not a leader. He is a wanna-be King…a tinpot Dictator..with enough enablers to help him along.
No, it’s who we are. Always has been. Always will be.
I like to think..not all of us. But we are in the minority, apparently. Expected to be the Cavalry but without swift horses or loaded cannons.
It is so hard to tell whether liberals are in the minority. I think the media is complicit in projecting an image of liberals or centrists being the minority and rabid Maga being the majority or at least half. I’m not sure that that is true, but it is very hard to get the truth these days.
I remember Jan 6 when 47’s response to threats to hang Mike Pence was “so what?”
We are obviously not better than that ! This entire incident on a very conservative campus, in a very conservative state has been blown out of perspective by our President. Culminating in quite possibly the worst performance by a director of the FBI ever. James Comey and Christopher Wray must be laughing as they watched Kash Patel on the news. So we have a 22 year old white male again who writes on ammunition. Giving bullets some mythical magic power ! Not sane for sure but destined for the firing squad. If that is the choice of execution in Utah.
We have laws against fomenting violence. let's enforce them
Yes, time to impeach I would say, eh? Take a look? https://www.stopchemtrails.nl/p/beam-me-up-scotty-the-captain-kirk
I used to think we were but am still shocked and saddened to see the reality.
If "we" refers to Americans in general, probably. Unfortunately, the MAGA supporters are not.
I hope we are
The FBI’s response was so lame, inept, that one wonders if this may be part of the plot. The plot against America.
And after the nutjob hammered Nancy Pelosi's husband's head, obviously trying to MURDER him in the most painful, vicious possible way? No difference. And where was all the whining, moaning and sorrow from the wrong, I mean.. "right"? I have compassion for charlie's family, but to turn him into some kind of a martyr will complete the nazification of america as many people become subject to unwarranted and unacceptable retribution. I pray to God this never happens, nor would the reciprocal response by those so persecuted.
Please study what the Nazis did before calling anyone or especially any group of people that. Your dehumanization of people who disagree with you opens a door for evil to walk in and do the unthinkable.
Read CK's writings and take your handwringing elsewhere.
It is already happening.
💯💯💯🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Absolutely!!
When you make everything you disagree with hate, you leave no room for civil discourse.
In part because they fired the experienced and highly-respected female head of the SLC office, Mehtab Syed, because she was a she.
Dana, I believe her Pakistani heritage also influenced that firing decision.
Dept of State said it was going to look at social media for all immigrants including those on visas to find posts, comments or even just a 'laugh' reaction to Kirk's death, and seek to deport those people. Now how do they search all of that? Complicit social media companies and AI. This is an example of immigrants being the testing ground for a mass-surveillance state targeting American citizens as well, ending free speech.
Both.
All part of DEI.
Perhaps it's also a problem that he appointed lame ass, unqualified MAGAs to vital cabinet positions and fired all of the most knowledgeable, experienced, dedicated civil servants who knew how to handle such matters.
The Ship of State threw all the experienced sailors overboard and kept the drunken pirates on board to handle it all. What could possibly go wrong…other than every damn thing? Are there enough lifeboats for us all? Doubt it. Swim for your lives, folks. Swim!
Hello Mike H. ... What do you expect from a Demented Reality Show President, and DJT Sycophants Kash Patel, Dan Borodino, and Pam Bondi?....
Kash Patel is one of the most inept, inexperienced and unqualified people to ever head the FBI. It’s all about having Patel turn the FBI into Trump’s personal police force, just like Trump does with ICE. Don’t expect any real solutions from an FBI with Kash Patel in charge.
I note that Pete Hegseth and RFK Jr. are equally inept, inexperienced, and unqualified to hold their cabinet positions.
The Reality Show From Hell.
That is exactly what I’m thinking.
Just proof that Kash was a terrible choice for the job.
Yes, they will to. https://www.stopchemtrails.nl/p/beam-me-up-scotty-the-captain-kirk
God help us. He has unleashed his violent rhetoric on us.
When your president ( not my term) yells how he hates democrats, he opens the door to hate and violence. I am sick to my stomach over this.
He opened up Pandora’s Box ..with such glee….
my first thought was this. I can’t help my thoughts False flag
Or just another “Epstein files”distraction . Only wasn’t a grazed ear this time. It was a neck. And Trump is taking full advantage of this tragedy isn’t he? Demonizing the left. Using it to try to polarize people even more than they are already. Despicable for anyone let alone a president. Besides Trump, there are a lot more people than Trump that don’t want those files released..
He works for the obscenely wealthy, who support him. Not for US. There were lots of them visiting "the party" and the girls.
“Money For Nothing and Your Chicks For Free.”
Loyalty for hire. With a reward.on someone else's "dime" even though they are broke and vulnerable. It killed some of them and negatively affected their lives. Cost them a lot.
Trump (and others, undoubtedly) will do absolutely ANYTHING to protect themselves from justice of any kind. ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING. He meant it when he said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it. He said this, didn’t he?
Agree, 100%
He is defaming the democrats and left leaning independents by essentially blaming them for this assassination. He should be sued.
Well said, Carolyn. The Kirk timing is suspicious, given Dumpty’s desperation to deflect from Epstein.
I was wondering that, too. Or that they would turn it into their "Horst Wessel" or Reichstag Fire moment.
Watch the videos. The backgrounds in the two videos are different too. And notice the lack of reaction from the three guys by him. So odd. Normal behavior would be to duck down or at least move in some way. They don’t react at all!
It stinks to high heaven, and I wouldn’t put anything past either Trump or his cronies.
Maybe Trump expected this would be another grazed ear that would allow him to consolidate his power. If worked in Butler, whether he planned it or not, but this shooter wasn't quite as accurate.
False flag would make sense, give Charlie Kirk a flesh wound and raise his profile. Maybe even groom him as the next Republican Presidential candidate.
Now Trump has a murder on his hands. Fortunately he has inept investigators he can control and who will come to whatever conclusion he chooses.
How's that for a conspiracy theory? Pass it around.
I have absolutely no doubt
A grazed neck is not a perfect hit at 520 feet. Death is more than a nick on the skin. That shooter was a pro sniper assassin.
Professor Reich: you wrote: "I don’t know at this writing who was responsible for Kirk’s death, and Trump certainly didn’t know when he made these remarks Wednesday night" -- REALLY?? i suspect that this was a hired "hit" on charlie kirKKK because charlie openly called for the release of the Epstein files only a couple days prior (which would certainly have outraged trump), and due to the obvious skill of the shooting itself (although i'm no expert, a single shot from 200 yards away is rather spectacular shooting, i'd say)
and when the orange tyrant said (as you quoted): “My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law-enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country.” do you think he was warning MAGA to watch their step? i certainly do not.
all that said, i absolutely agree with you that "There is no excuse for political violence in America. Nor is there any excuse for provoking even more of it by blaming it on one side or the other." the last thing we need in this broken, raging country is yet more violence. once the bullets begin to fly, the country will be irreparably damaged -- families and friends torn apart by waves of hatred and desire for vengeance. you'd think we all would have learned our lesson after the civil war, but it seems we refuse to learn from the past so we are doomed to repeat it again and again. what a horrifying thought.
And you can buy an assault rifle with no identity but your driving licence. Martial law by October?
If not sooner
Those thoughts have crossed my mind…
You do realize the Biden administration had the Epstein files? They tried to destroy Trump; don’t you think they would have saved the time, money and energy if they could have just released the Epstein files? Seems like they would have done that…
Imagine there were lots of folks from both sides on there...
Many large donors! They can't bite the hand that feeds them.
He kept one promise.. he pardoned the felons, some of whom went out and committed heinous crimes.
Yes, and they still are, because they will always owe him.
Many of them are now members of ICE a/k/a the Brownshirts.
Trump will never take responsibility for his actions. He is more than likely to be the promoting violence not quelling it! Everything he says is to sow fear and to terrorise the people. He knows this but deliberately names his own misbehaviour and says it's the "radical left!" I think we're all used to this by now. He won't ever change. Hang in there people. RESIST!
Good point 👏
Kirk was pro-guns, and pro-Russia -- let's not forget that. He's no innocent martyr.
I saw him saying that children should watch Executions ..it would be good for them.
Trump or Kirk?
Kirk
In what way?
It's certainly taking everyone's attention away from Epstein.
The Dictator of Distraction. How he has always gotten away with everything his entire rotten life.
Roy Cohn taught him well.
it's kind of an echo of raping young girls in it's criminality. Let the Rule of law be King! not a repeat offender.
Most of Americans want common sense gun laws like every other major country has. Our president refuses to call out his own party for supporting the corrupt NRA for fighting for no regulations that could save lives from needless gun violence. We on the left know that this shooting is horrible. As are any shootings at schools, clinics, places of worship, etc. we aren’t keeping score. This isn’t a competition. Show some compassion not such callousness playing the blame game.
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During the first Trump administration I came up with a hashtag to counter the red hat:
#HateMakesNothingGreat
I wanted those that wore it to understand that dynamic. Then when my own fervor wore off, I realized how easy it was to be hypocritical on the concept.
So I temper the intoxication that hate can provide, and offer my ego the option of choosing a perspective without all the absolutism.
So apart from the orange guy, the pedal is never all the way to the floor. Damn close, yes, but only Stephen Miller has the same degree of evil in his heart.
It’s so sad to me that not only does Trump never back the hate off just a tiny bit, with every #ProSTRIFE travesty he inflicts on us or tragedy that he capitalizes on, the hate quotient is always much higher.
It’s gonna be a rough week.
Trump condones and thrives on political violence. He's been spoiling for an outright confrontation ever since he rode that golden elevator down to land in the fragile lobby of political reality. He's been busting things up ever since.
He is a black hole of emptiness.
Spewing all manner of hatred under the guise of free speech and manners is still hate speech and inciting of hate. I’m not burdened by the “empathy” he derided.
Agree. Now more of us are seeing his quotes.
Is anyone surprised?