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Daniel Kunsman's avatar

VOTE!!! We The People have the power to reign in these miscreants. The Republican party is showing itself as what it has become since Reagan - an avenue of repression against the common person. And it is become even more destructive with time, because we've allowed it to. The time is NOW, absolutely NOW, to use our voting power to let them know this will no longer be tolerated. And not just on the National level; we need to address the corruption on the State level as well. I'm from Ohio, and the Republican party here believes it can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, because We The People have failed in Ohio to monitor and vote accordingly. The time is NOW, and voting is our weapon.

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Lynn's avatar

Voting will never solve the problem. The majority of voters are low information voters and have no clue. Thank our corrupted K-12 system. If you want to see what a union has done to erode this great nation, just look at the public teachers union. Actual listen to what Randi says to the teachers versus what she says to the public and you will understand how power corrupts. I have four K-12 teachers in my nephew/neice hierarchy and three believe that they are truly discriminated against in income. Two of those failed in business before becomeing teachers. And they do get two months off each summer. It is their choice. They care about the students, but the erosion of discipline and parent involvement has left them out on a limb. They are required to dumb down their classroom to the lowest common denominator. Very sad. Most high school graduates could not pass the eighth grade exam giving in 1900. They know nothing about history except that the US is a corrupt nation that commits wars of aggression (the Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) etc. I have two grand-daughters by marriage who did not know about WWI at all, did not know it even occurred, and could not articulate WWII when they were junior and senior in high school. Sad. But they are on top of LGBQT and how Black people have been so mistreated. One told me that the only time there were slaves were Africans in Europe and America. I asked if the Romans had slaves and they knew NOTHING about the history of Rome. That is what we get when Unions run the schools.

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Gary Roehl's avatar

Get real. Unions in education got teachers what little they have in the way of wages , Hours and working conditions. remember, the administrators of school districts are responsible for what is taught. they are no different than the bosses of industry. The Majority of them look at themselves as better than teachers and are paid far more with better perks. Now many of them come from industry. I taught in the Detroit area for 37 years so I speak with some experience from a personal point of view. anecdotal stories about nieces and nephews don’t resonate much with me. it’s interesting you didn’t mention about the private and charter schools and academies that are trying to Shanghai public education. For instances billionaire Betsy DeVos ,Trumps industrial pic for Secretary of Education, oh I’ll bet she loves unions.

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Daniel Kunsman's avatar

Mr. Rohl, I am WITH you, sir! My defense of unions will come, but not until we have addressed the dire issues facing us by Republican shenanigans. If we don't vote them out - on ALL levels - unions won't matter anymore. Our unions have been under attack since Reagan, and one look at the remnants of our middle-class underscores the damage done. I just didn't think we should go on that tangent at this critical moment, is all.

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Richard's avatar

Lynn's, 'Tucker/Murdoch indoctrination syndrome' is pretty evident. She's right about one thing though, voters will never fix our problems-so long as substantial numbers are conditioned to believe the BS Tucker feeds them, on a daily basis.

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Gary Roehl's avatar

Could you imagine if you tried to teach critical thinking, and the forms of propaganda to every student in America? In half the states in America you would be run out of town on a rail, it just wouldn’t be patriotic to have a mind of your own.

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Ken Opland's avatar

Thank you, Richard. I get it now; Faux Entertainment drivel.

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Daniel Kunsman's avatar

Respectfully, Lynn, voting is our ONLY solution. And if we have to take our neighbors by the hand, slowly draw the picture of the downward spiral we're now in, and BEG them to get to the polls and do the right thing, then that is what we MUST do. We are at the precipice in this country, and I for one will do everything to pull us back, and turn us around to be again facing in the correct direction. At this point in time, the issue of schools, and the unions (?), need to be put aside for another day. Soon, for certain, but not now. We are facing a different, more perilous danger at the moment, and we must not lose focus, or we are all doomed.

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Denise Donaldson's avatar

You're assuming, Daniel, that when we vote for a candidate, we can trust that that candidate, if elected, will fulfill his/her promises and do the things we voted for. In my nearly 50-year experience of (never Republican) voting, that assumption has been proven overwhelmingly wrong. As I mentioned above, Biden just violated a key promise by approving the Willow project. And if I'm angry about what Biden did and vote for someone else next time, the same thing will happen. It's like Lucy with the football.

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Daniel Kunsman's avatar

You and I have been voting together all this time!! And, if you were to ask my wife, you'd know just how cynical I really am. About ALL politicians. But it has taken me this long to realize it's my own fault. I've been falling into their trap of listening to the TV ads, and, shame on me, voting accordingly. But I've had an awakening, due to a few true patriots who hold/held office. People like Katie Porter, and former Rep. Adam Kinziger. And even Liz Cheney, with whom I disagreed on most policy matters, but applauded her stance against 45's treason. Just try to swallow hard, and stay with us, as we find the correct people to actually represent us. (I say correct, because I can't bring myself to type Right!!)

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Denise Donaldson's avatar

We'll only get the choices we're allowed to have. Dennis Kucinich was my hero for years here in Cleveland, until HIS OWN PARTY gerrymandered him out, because he wouldn't bow to the corporations. I don't want to say it's hopeless, but in my heart of hearts, I kinda think it is. Were I able to emigrate, I would have been gone in 2000 when GWB stole the election.

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Daniel Kunsman's avatar

I first met Kucinich at Edgewater Park during an End The War protest/concert. He was just a kid at the time, and gave a rousing speech. We hung around afterward to meet him, and he was a good guy. Not much more of a kid as I was at the time. Been a fan of his ever since, even during his "reign" as the "Boy Mayor". Full disclosure: I wasn't here during that time; I was enlisted in the Marines. Just as I got back home, Voinovich became the new mayor.

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Denise Donaldson's avatar

I didn't live in Cleveland, then, either; I was living out of town at the time. But the minute I settled in town, I heard about Dennis from all sides. When he went into Congress, I never failed to get substantive answers to letters. I canvassed for him during his first Presidential campaign and in his last Congressional campaign. I was at the kick-off party for his short-lived gubernatorial run. Attended many of his speeches. I admire him immensely. Goes without saying that the fact that he can't be bought guarantees that he'll never be the Dem nominee.

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lulie donli's avatar

i believe the school board runs the schools, & BROWARD COUNTY, F-F-Florida ( ! ) is extraordinarily progressive, has its own educational television channel BECON where are your nieces and nephews can learn about indigenous peoples of this continent, Titus, Greece, slavery et al

There is a big blue wave 🌊 taking over the Florida coast--it's a wipe out for DeSantis

are you really anti-union ?

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lulie donli's avatar

EVERY VEHICLE Should be posting an 8 1/2 x 11 educational on their left rear car window!

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Beth B's avatar

Thank you! 🤬

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Denise Donaldson's avatar

I don't believe that voting will solve this country’s problems, both for the reason Lynn lists, and because having a majority in power doesn't mean anything anymore. Obama had a bullet-proof majority for two years. Did we get universal healthcare? No, we got the ACA, a huge giveaway to Big Insurance. Did we get abortion codified? Nope. Drug price controls? Nope. Gun control? No. And on and on.

The things most people in this country want won't come about by voting, because too many politicians in both parties are corporate-owned. Biden had majorities in both houses for two years, and could have gotten much more legislation passed had the filibuster been ousted at the beginning. But it wasn't. And two DINOs held up BBB and other key bills. Now, Biden has violated his, "No more drilling on public lands. Period." promise, though that was a campaign plank, and he was elected by a majority of voters. Meanwhile, the minority (until January) GOP and corporate owners have thrown a wrench into everything.

Bottom line is that, until corporate ownership of politicians is outlawed, voting on the national level is mostly just going through the motions. We can't believe campaign promises when Big Corp is calling the shots.

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Daniel Kunsman's avatar

Then, if not by voting, how? We The People need to work harder to vet who we are voting for! Go to campaign appearances, ask questions and DEMAND answers! Don't let them off with the usual double-speak. I know how tough that can be, and our daily time demands keep most of us from being able to do these things. But look where it's gotten us. And if we don't do this NOW, it WILL be too late! Don't give up; don't give in! That's exactly what they want, what they've been aiming for the past 40+ years. Please, for everyone's sake, VOTE!! Get grandma to go with you to vote, get your 18 year-old to go with you to vote for the first time. We need numbers, and we need people to help vet the available candidates so we with so little time can help get the country back on the right track. We need your help, Denise, and we're all here to help rid you of your rightful pessimism.

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Denise Donaldson's avatar

I always vote. I can't foresee ever not voting. But at the same time, I realize how ineffective a vehicle it is. We can only cast ballots for the candidates the DNC/RNC select; they make sure of that. By definition, then, any name on the ballot represents someone who's bought. I very much wanted to vote for Bernie in 2016, but the DNC saw to it that he wasn't nominated. Then, in 2020, when Bernie was pushed out again, the mantra was, "holding Biden's feet to the fire" to get a public healthcare option, $15 minimum wage, no drilling on public land, and so on. We see how all of that turned out. Demanding answers gets us exactly zero. The vast majority of elected officials do what the donors tell them to do.

What's the alternative to voting? I don't know. But casting ballots isn't getting us to where we need to be. If you read news from the 1970s, you'll see complaints about the same issues we're still facing today.

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Barbara Jensen's avatar

I live in TX and voting doesn’t change a thing because the Republicans have gerrymandered control of the election outcome. I still vote anyway!

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Alan Davis MD's avatar

Trump is the most dishonest man on the planet. He is incapable of saying anything that doesn’t make him look good, regardless how idiotic it sounds. He lies constantly. He dreams of a fascist America with him as “Hitler”.

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Barbara Jensen's avatar

I hope that was meant as sarcasm. Trump gave the wealthy huge tax cuts and more loopholes to get out of paying anything to support our economy.

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Gary Roehl's avatar

You’re on the wrong link here Jerry boy. You’re just doing it for harassment sake because you Aren’t changing anybody’s mind. Truthfully, I know you’re just being sarcastic. Nobody’s that dumb and to add Santos that beautiful patriots name was definitely the coup de grace.

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