I had the uncanny experience as I watched this hearing that I was witnessing (almost in real time) the degrading and ultimately the destruction of our inherited way of life - our happiness in our jobs, in our communities, in our American identity. Trump wanted to cling to power and in so doing, his lies have corroded our very quality of life. We must call him out.
DM, I too worry but not all the time. Paul the Apostle advised, do not worry about anything; pray about everything. Agree or disagree with Paul, you can also organize with and support Democrats, lobby those in power, vote and encourage others to vote for freedom, against tyranny.
Thank you for your comment. I share your concerns and my reaction was similar to yours. I was appalled that Trump chose to bring his quest for absolute power (and no responsibility, of course) to bear on ordinary citizens and conscientious public servants obeying their sworn oaths of office. (I might note that, for many years, I served every single election as a poll officer--as did my father before me, We poll workers also swore oaths of office, devoted our time and energies to our pre-election training sessions and an election day that ran from 7:00AM to 1:30AM of the next day. We had a single meal break of 1-1/2 hours during the day. Uniformly, we always followed all the instructions and did the best we could to ensure a smooth election and an accurate tally of the votes. So I sympathize with Ms. Moss and her mother. But I sympathize with the three elected public servants who were simply doing the duty they had sworn to do.) I believe we have to pursue this situation to the absolute end and that we as a nation agree to the rule of law and upholding the Constitution and proceed on those agreements.
Thank you, Lanae, for your poll-work service. Nobody except other poll-workers know the exhaustion of voting day. I, too, have been a poll-worker for many years. You do your very best, you work as hard as you can and as accurately as is humanly possible, and you stumble home in the dark and say "Phew! We did it." To have poll-workers slandered and threatened offends me at the deepest level.
Thanks, Lark. Me too! The idea that poll-workers would engage in scams or deception and deceit is offensive in every way possible. Being a poll-worker is a thankless (generally) task and the actual election day is grueling. You work hour after hour and generally go home in the early morning hours of the following day. I can fully understand why the poll-workers in Georgia were more than ready to call it a day after 10:30PM...most of these folks are older workers and they run out of steam...as did I after 1:00AM. I also resent the attacks on those who voted by mail...the facts are that we poll-workers were almost required to vote by mail as, for most of us, there was no way we could drive home, go to the polling place for our district, vote, and return to our workplace in the break time...it was sensible and logical to vote by mail and that was what I did (even when I lived at the polling site) and what I still do. All of us are supposedly guilty of crimes for doing our duty, we have supposedly connived and conspired to deprive a deserving Donald Trump out of his due when, in fact, we voted in a free and fair election that was remarkably free of serious contention. That's the truth and I resent the fact that the poll-workers involved have been impugned in such a blatant fashion but we are all aware that (as usual with Trump) that there is something very nefarious and deceitful behind his attacks and we all know what that insidious side to election 2020 really is.
Lanae Isaacson, I whole hardily agree that "we must pursue the guilty parties to the absolute end and that as a nation agree to the rule of law and upholding the Constitution." If we do not pursue this to the end, we will have opened the door wide for hidden traitors to go through in the very near future. Next time we may lose our democracy!
One thing I have never heard mentioned in regards to poll workers....I live in Washington state and up until we changed to mail in ballots, the election boards were always comprised of Democrats and Republicans. As a Democrat, when I took the ballot boxes to the court house for counting, I was always accompanied by a Republican. Every step of the process had a Republican board worker observing every step. Isthat not the case in other states?
I cannot speak to how elections are handled in other states. But I do know this: Our poll worker teams worked through the election eve until all ballots used, unused, damaged, were accounted for in writing. Two of us (regardless of party) then drove with all the locked and sealed ballot boxes with all ballots included to the County Registrar of Voters. There always had to be two of us in a single car. This would be in the AM of the following day. We generally did not know who were Democratic and who were Republican as we were all equal on the team and, the way the thing was organized and controlled, it did not matter. (My district in the House is represented by a member of the Jan 6th Committee, Zoe Lofgren, so our district for voting is likely Democratic and there is strong support for Bernie Sanders.) But none of us could leave until the two of us returned to the site which, in my case, was the lounge in my apartment building. We had little if any impact on the actual process and tried to run it as close to instructions as possible. As I said, I quit participating because I did not feel the supervisors were following instructions to the letter but, at the same time, I understood why they chose to let my query go....we are not in a good place when it comes to democracy but we may get there if we pursue the truth to the bitter end, And it will be bitter.
Hello, Carole - I can only speak for how we approach this here in New Hampshire, and I live in a very small town. But we always have both party-affiliations present when ballots are being handled - always - a ballot clerk from each party.
As a disabled senior citizen whose only source of income is Social Security, I feel directly threatened by the Republican Party. If that gets taken, I will be on the street along with millions of other seniors and disabled citizens. The medications and treatments for my disability will disappear. Republicans have made it crystal clear that my life doesn't mean anything. That's the message I've been getting.
Thank you for caring. I live in a low income Senior center in Montana and there are other folks living here, some as old as 98. All of us worked and paid into the system that we believed would allow us to live with dignity in our last years. Now it seems that there are elected leaders who would just take it all away in the name of some conservative ideology that really is just simple selfishness. It's hard to even let it sink in.
I wish more people were getting that message. If they cut or cancel SS, there will be an army of old people living on the streets. Not that the GOP cares.
It's pretty sad that they don't know which side their bread is buttered on or who butters it. I hope you mean dependence on the fruit of their labor, because that's what SS is. We paid into it all our lives. The GOP dupes everyone with their 'tax cuts'. They cut taxes for the rich, not the rest of us.
We must not only call Putin's friend out, but we must also call out all men and women that stooped to his level. Within our country we have millions of men and women that will follow a demagogue to the point of endangering our democracy. Democracy like all type of government work well only if we have men and women of principle leading that government. What has been happening in our government is that more and more men and women of little principle, are occupying key positions within our system of government. The troubling fact is that to many citizens are either blind to this or don't care. During these troubling times apathetic citizens are just as dangerous to our nation as men and women of little principle.
The biggest problem is that we do not live in a democracy. The U.S. is a Republic. If we were a democracy, Hillary Clinton would have been POTUS in 2018. I know a lot of people don't care for Hillary, but she would never have packed SCOTUS like 45 did.
A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office—
(1)knowingly and willfully intimidates, threatens, or coerces, or attempts to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any person for—
(A)registering to vote, or voting, or attempting to register or vote;
(B)urging or aiding any person to register to vote, to vote, or to attempt to register or vote; or
(C)exercising any right under this chapter; or
(2)knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by—
(A)the procurement or submission of voter registration applications that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held; or
(B)the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held,
shall be fined in accordance with title 18 (which fines shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury, miscellaneous receipts (pursuant to section 3302 of title 31), notwithstanding any other law), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(Pub. L. 103–31, § 12, May 20, 1993, 107 Stat. 88.)
Daniel! I served as a poll worker for many years, as I have related. The reason I stopped was simple: In the manual for training, there was a sentence or two explaining that the individual poll booths were to be occupied by a single voter and no one else. What was happening was that non-English speaking voters would arrive and invite someone else to "help" them vote...this was contrary to instructions but the supervisors and managers always looked the other way and, when I brought the issue to their attention, I was generally brushed aside. (They were afraid to take this on for fear of being accused of racism.) Most of the non-English speakers were free to bring pre-marked sample ballots with them, in which case it would have been a matter of transferring their choices to the official ballot. That would have been perfectly legal; bringing someone in to the booth to help you vote, was prohibited and, when the election supervisors would not go by the rules, I quit or rather opted out of my civic duty. The actual possibility of a poll worker participating in a scheme to interfere with the voting process was nil as it makes for a full day and there is no time to devise and carry out any kind of voter fraud based on poll worker participation. I would resent the implication but, well, Trump has made it abundantly clear that he alone lives.
As a one time teacher in Southern California and as a one time resident of Miami I have concluded that I favor the requirement of speaking the English language as a REQUIREMENT for US citizenship. Civic and cultural implications are huge. I recall Hispanics in Southern California whose only holiday observance was Cinco de Mayo. School children, influenced by their parents, did not care who George Washington was even if President's Day was a holiday. In Miami, Cubans and Hispanics feel resentment when they are asked to speak English. When, if, these citizens decide to vote does anyone believe they are concerned about community issues that unify America? We should not be surprised that voting results reflect puzzling choices and
unqualified candidates. Fact based unbiased education of citizens is a constant challenge. I am unrealistic to believe that listening to NPR or watching PBS is some kind of a cure for truth, but it might help. Allowing Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones to contaminate the airwaves with lies and vicious cultural and political division should be penalized or legally challenged. I want sensible restraints on ridiculous narrative that is poisoning America.
Even if it is effectively impossible for the Department of Justice to argue with virtual certitude that Trump's intentions constitute criminality, it can make a compelling case that, even if, despite all the evidence and despite what his family and staff told him, Trump truly, genuinely believed he won and was wronged by fraud and the vote certification process, NEVERTHELESS he is beyond all doubt totally GUILTY of resorting to unconstitutional and unethical behavior in attempting to persuade state and federal government officials to change the vote count so that he could declare himself the winner. Resorting to such means is unconstitutional and damaging to our democracy. Such means cannot be tolerated and he must be held accountable for resorting to such means, involving all sorts of pressure, intimidation, and threats, to get the result he wanted and felt to be his due. He is guilty, at the very least, of using such means, such tactics. And for that alone he must be punished to the full extent of the law.
(a) (1) A person commits the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the first degree when, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony under this article, he or she solicits, requests, commands, importunes, or otherwise attempts to cause the other person to engage in such conduct.
(2) A person commits the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the second degree when, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a misdemeanor under this article, he or she solicits, requests, commands, importunes, or otherwise attempts to cause the other person to engage in such conduct.
(b) (1) A person convicted of the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the first degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than three years.
(2) A person convicted of the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the second degree shall be punished as for a misdemeanor.
(c) It is no defense to a prosecution for criminal solicitation to commit election fraud that the person solicited could not be guilty of the crime solicited.
(d) The provisions of subsections (a) through (c) of this Code section are cumulative and shall not supersede any other penal law of this state.
"...a wave of online threats and harassment" is a tame, vague description of what Shaye Moss and her mother received and endured. They were death threats, some racist in nature. The mother's house was invaded by election deniers. Their lives have been ruined. They live in fear today.
Their testimony was the most powerful illustration of what Trump has wrought. Regular Americans doing their public service jobs and, as a result, having Trump sic horrible, vile people on them, ruining their lives.
It was painful, very troubling, and emotional to see Randy Bowers try to suppress the build up of tears in his eyes towards the end of his testimony. To hear how such principled, dignified man (and ultimately his family) was relentlessly bullied and threatened disgusted me. Who DOES this kind of thing? And when we got to Shayne Moss's story, I burst into tears. We hear of these things on the news, and know it is bad, but to hear what these people and their families have had endure.... and are still enduring... it is literally unconceivable to have to accept that this country has reached such a point of desperate and increasingly ruthless criminality and sociopathy. We are so fortunate that there are still incredibly courageous people like those we heard from today. THEY are the true American Patriots.
Early in today's hearing there was footage we've all seen many times before: insurrectionists barging into the capitol yelling for "freedom" and "rights".... This was footage displayed before the witnesses even spoke. I'd missed a chunk of the early hearing and didn't know what the subject matter was going to be. And in seeing that footage today, for some reason I was really struck by the supreme irony in their cries .... and thought how crazy and SAD and frustrating that we ALL want the same things!! trumpers and non-trumpers alike.......... but how the HELL can anyone or anything help us all to see this, and in way that could unite us?? That is the question.
yet - he never thought to bring it up to the authorities ... wasnt that a dereliction of his duty? only Gabriel Sterling, chief operating officer at the Georgia secretary of state's office, spoke out publicly , when he called out trump and his minions for going to far , saying that someone was going to get killed !
Theirs was THE MOST POWERFUL TESTIMONY I've yet heard. As a woman, an experienced single mother, as an educator (with degrees in Poli Sci and US History), today's testimony by these courageous women was beyond compelling. In all my many years on this planet, their retelling of emotional pain, physical danger, shame and guilt for "putting my Grandmother" in harm's way (paraphrasing) are issues most women can relate to deeply. This was raw emotional distress, caused by a furosious bully, for all to witness and, hopefully, learn from. It is up to ALL of us to protect these heroes!
Every person who threatened her and her family should have been identified by now.
Georgia state charge: O.C.G.A. 16-11-37 (2010)
16-11-37. Terroristic threats and acts; penalties
(a) A person commits the offense of a terroristic threat when he or she threatens to commit any crime of violence, to release any hazardous substance, as such term is defined in Code Section 12-8-92, or to burn or damage property with the purpose of terrorizing another or of causing the evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation or otherwise causing serious public inconvenience or in reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience. No person shall be convicted under this subsection on the uncorroborated testimony of the party to whom the threat is communicated.
(b) A person commits the offense of a terroristic act when:
(1) He or she uses a burning or flaming cross or other burning or flaming symbol or flambeau with the intent to terrorize another or another's household;
(2) While not in the commission of a lawful act, he or she shoots at or throws an object at a conveyance which is being operated or which is occupied by passengers; or
(3) He or she releases any hazardous substance or any simulated hazardous substance under the guise of a hazardous substance for the purpose of terrorizing another or of causing the evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation or otherwise causing serious public inconvenience or in reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience.
(c) A person convicted of the offense of a terroristic threat shall be punished by a fine of not more than $1,000.00 or by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years, or both. A person convicted of the offense of a terroristic act shall be punished by a fine of not more than $5,000.00 or by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than ten years, or both; provided, however, that if any person suffers a serious physical injury as a direct result of an act giving rise to a conviction under this Code section, the person so convicted shall be punished by a fine of not more than $250,000.00 or imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 40 years, or both.
(d) A person who commits or attempts to commit a terroristic threat or act with the intent to retaliate against any person for:
(1) Attending a judicial or administrative proceeding as a witness, attorney, judge, clerk of court, deputy clerk of court, court reporter, probation officer, or party or producing any record, document, or other object in a judicial or official proceeding; or
(2) Providing to a law enforcement officer, adult or juvenile probation officer, prosecuting attorney, or judge any information relating to the commission or possible commission of an offense under the laws of this state or of the United States or a violation of conditions of bail, pretrial release, probation, or parole
shall be guilty of the offense of a terroristic threat or act and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished, for a terroristic threat, by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than ten years or by a fine of not less than $50,000.00, or both, and, for a terroristic act, by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 20 years or by a fine of not less than $100,000.00, or both.
What a list! I can find no evidence that Georgia authorities are mounting any significant effort to find and charge the people who have made the threats.
Considering the racial component of the threats against Shaye Moss and her mother, Ruby Freeman, I wonder if these are federal violations. Of course the FBI and Justice Department are overwhelmed.
reminds me that our schools are dealing with this kind of stuff while they try and teach our children during covid. getting death threats for teaching CRT (when it is taught in no K-12 in the US)
Not that I know of. No doubt the threats were anonymous, which of course is the MO of cowards. Until some of these people are punished with jail time, there's no disincentive for them to stop.
In the 60's those who attacked the ones who sought civil rights were investigated by the FBI. Unfortunately, it took murders to get them to go down there.
Paula B. ; Have most terrorists ever been punished? the Ku Klux Klan hid under hoods like the perps behind the threats to these three women hid behind anonymity.
State criminal defamation. Trump, Giuliani et al. Shaye Moss and her mother, Ruby.
O.C.G.A. 16-11-40 (2010)
16-11-40. Criminal defamation
(a) A person commits the offense of criminal defamation when, without a privilege to do so and with intent to defame another, living or dead, he communicates false matter which tends to blacken the memory of one who is dead or which exposes one who is alive to hatred, contempt, or ridicule, and which tends to provoke a breach of the peace.
(b) A person who violates subsection (a) of this Code section is guilty of a misdemeanor.
I tuned in at work I suppose somewhere around the middle but in time to see and hear Miss Ruby, her daughter and her aged mother tell about how they were terrorized by the President of the United States who, by his actions, inspired his radical followers to torment these three lovely ladies, two of whom were Georgia election poll officials in the 2020 election. All based on lies about them, developed out of whole cloth in order to slander these ladies and rouse the worst of society against them. Disgusting and disgraceful, it brought me to tears.
Me too! Tears that wouldn't stop. I am so upset for them as well as for those who spoke before them... all people just trying to do their jobs and otherwise minding their own business ... and they are STILL dealing with the fall-out.
Like many others, I have watched every minute of each hearing and will do up to the conclusion. The level of attempts Trump made to overturn our election is not only disgusting and criminal, the fact that he and so many other republicans continue the lie should alarm everyone. The midterm elections are critical to stopping the ongoing coup against democracy. We had record turnout in 2020, we need to surpass that come November. Spread the word, volunteer to be a poll watcher or worker. Support your local candidates and remember that all the deniers are going to vote, we must stop them from succeeding with our vote.
I continue to believe that our democracy is in great peril if Mr. Trump runs again in 2024. If he doesn't run, one of his staunch supporters will run. I used to be a registered Republican; no longer, however. The Republican Party today is not the Party of Abraham Lincoln. I am an Independent voter, and I carefully read the platforms of all candidates- federal, state, and local. Undoubtedly, there is much corruption in our political system with powerful lobbyists contributing millions to the coffers of candidates that support their causes. These lobbyists support Republican and Democratic candidates. What is the most powerful lobby in our country? The Israeli lobby. The American taxpayer pays over 3 billion dollars a year to Israel. Why? I don't know. They are a wealthy country, so why do they need our tax dollars. Let's send our tax dollars to Ukraine to overcome the Russian aggression.
What struck me was Trump's abject cruelty and total lack of concern for others' lives. No one is safe from being targeted by him. He must never again be president.
He is a bonafide narcissist, and worse - a sociopath, and has been since childhood. But this doesn't explain why so MANY of his enablers are equally ruthless. This, however, is how fascism develops and spreads-- like wild fire after a certain point, a point I feel we're now experiencing. IT MUST BE STOPPED NOW, our only chance.
The two women from Georgia made me proud. They are dedicated women who were doing a challenging job of seeing that all the votes in their region were properly counted. They represent the best of America and I honor them and hope they will not let the bullies keep them from working for their county for its elections. We need them and a whole lot more true patriots who care about this country and its laws. Shame on the ones who threatened them for doing the right thing. I wish those folks could be prosecuted and given an appropriate penalty for the anguish they have caused.
Georgia election workers reach settlement terms with right-wing channel OAN
Also sued former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a lawyer for former President Donald Trump, saying he amplified the lies about them during frequent appearances on OAN. Their claims against Giuliani continue: They filed an amended complaint in federal court in Washington.
A total loser who is scared to death of admitting it. Trump is making it so very difficult for me to keep my relatively recent vow to stop swearing. A genuinely evil man.
Who, Trump? Unfortunately he is not stupid. And any of you who are thinking that I am not a psychologist would be correct. I was almost a psychologist, but I switched to another Major and completed a Minor in Psychology. I took all the diagnostic courses offered by my university, and earned an A- in every one of them, which was the top mark awarded to non-Major Psyc students at that university.
So I speak the language and understand what I have been seeing as I have watched Trump over the years. And I do not have a certificate that the APA can take away from me because I ignore their rules about publicly diagnosing famous people.
Trump has been developing Dementia in recent years, which is what often happens to people with untreated personality disorders. For many years he clearly had Narcissistic Personality Disorder AND Psychopathy, and of course he never reached out for help.
But Trump has never been stupid. I would estimate his IQ in the 125 to 135 range, perhaps a little higher, but like the typical Organized Psychopath that he is, he is completely incapable of genuine empathy but has learned over the years to fake it well enough that he can fool some people.
Trump would be much easier to deal with if he really were stupid, but unfortunately he is not stupid. To anyone who wants to understand Trump's psychology I strongly recommend BOTH of Mary L Trump's books about her uncle. She is a clinical psychologist and understands him very well.
The problem is, we all feel worried for a reason. The overriding message of the Committee is that THIS IS STILL GOING ON, AND IT IS!!! The Texas Republican Party just issued a formal statement that Biden is not legitimately President of the US! You can bet your life the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are gearing up for midterms in November,--God only knows how bloody it will be! Judge Luttig's "clear and present danger to America" last week was directly on point. That verbal formula comes from the 1919 opinion of the great Oliver Wendall Holmes, Jr. in Schenck v. United States defining when the government may properly restrain free speech, when its self-preservation outweighs the First Amendment. Sadly, the Judge is right. We are there now!!! Yet partisanship has tied the government's hands! Perhaps I should don my private attorney general hat and file a nationwide class action vs. Trump and his cohorts for massively diluting our votes through fraud, etc.?!?! Any takers out there?
I too was thoroughly disgusted at the Texas Republican Party's Platform statement, except for their position on the right to secede from the Union. I would enthusiastically support that! In fact, I might then even support Trump's stupid border wall -- as long as it was on OUR side of Texas.
[My apologies to some friends I have who live in Texas ... I acknowledge that there are good people down there. I'll change my position if they take over the "State" before they secede.]
Similar to the treachery that was used by Hitler to overtake the German government in the 1930's. I fear that the US may see a true revolution in the next two years. Similar attitudes that this country faced during the 1860's. but for the insanity of one man.
The real question is how to get people who watch Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and the other 'talking heads' on FOX to realize they've been conned. And don't assume these are all undereducated, illiterate people. I know doctors, lawyers, and engineers that truly believe the BS they see and hear on FOX. Read "Sapiens, A Brief History of Humankind" and you will begin to understand how this is possible. The reason so many military and ex-military were part of the Jan 6th insurrection is that FOX is the network on in the background of government lunch rooms.
I don't know, but what we need is a ban on FOX being allowed to be aired in any military base and federal office building. But, until then, we need to publicly boycott FOX and every business that advertises their products or services on FOX, and that includes sponsorship of NFL games.
You can use your remote if you have Spectrum. I called their number and got instructions to remove it from my cable t.v. I also told them that Fox is not only un informative, but toxic, and against Democracy. Tucker Carlson broadcasts in Russia on Putin's only allowed news feed!
How is what Trump and the Qpublicans did to Shaye Moss and Lady Ruby not a Hate Crime? Merrick, are you lost in the vast wasteland of the Qpublican Conspiracy? Wake up, dude!!
I had the uncanny experience as I watched this hearing that I was witnessing (almost in real time) the degrading and ultimately the destruction of our inherited way of life - our happiness in our jobs, in our communities, in our American identity. Trump wanted to cling to power and in so doing, his lies have corroded our very quality of life. We must call him out.
fascism in action.
Yes! I think about this exact thing daily. Everything has changed. I no longer feel comfortable anywhere. Always worried.
DM, I too worry but not all the time. Paul the Apostle advised, do not worry about anything; pray about everything. Agree or disagree with Paul, you can also organize with and support Democrats, lobby those in power, vote and encourage others to vote for freedom, against tyranny.
Thank you for your comment. I share your concerns and my reaction was similar to yours. I was appalled that Trump chose to bring his quest for absolute power (and no responsibility, of course) to bear on ordinary citizens and conscientious public servants obeying their sworn oaths of office. (I might note that, for many years, I served every single election as a poll officer--as did my father before me, We poll workers also swore oaths of office, devoted our time and energies to our pre-election training sessions and an election day that ran from 7:00AM to 1:30AM of the next day. We had a single meal break of 1-1/2 hours during the day. Uniformly, we always followed all the instructions and did the best we could to ensure a smooth election and an accurate tally of the votes. So I sympathize with Ms. Moss and her mother. But I sympathize with the three elected public servants who were simply doing the duty they had sworn to do.) I believe we have to pursue this situation to the absolute end and that we as a nation agree to the rule of law and upholding the Constitution and proceed on those agreements.
Thank you, Lanae, for your poll-work service. Nobody except other poll-workers know the exhaustion of voting day. I, too, have been a poll-worker for many years. You do your very best, you work as hard as you can and as accurately as is humanly possible, and you stumble home in the dark and say "Phew! We did it." To have poll-workers slandered and threatened offends me at the deepest level.
Thanks, Lark. Me too! The idea that poll-workers would engage in scams or deception and deceit is offensive in every way possible. Being a poll-worker is a thankless (generally) task and the actual election day is grueling. You work hour after hour and generally go home in the early morning hours of the following day. I can fully understand why the poll-workers in Georgia were more than ready to call it a day after 10:30PM...most of these folks are older workers and they run out of steam...as did I after 1:00AM. I also resent the attacks on those who voted by mail...the facts are that we poll-workers were almost required to vote by mail as, for most of us, there was no way we could drive home, go to the polling place for our district, vote, and return to our workplace in the break time...it was sensible and logical to vote by mail and that was what I did (even when I lived at the polling site) and what I still do. All of us are supposedly guilty of crimes for doing our duty, we have supposedly connived and conspired to deprive a deserving Donald Trump out of his due when, in fact, we voted in a free and fair election that was remarkably free of serious contention. That's the truth and I resent the fact that the poll-workers involved have been impugned in such a blatant fashion but we are all aware that (as usual with Trump) that there is something very nefarious and deceitful behind his attacks and we all know what that insidious side to election 2020 really is.
Lanae Isaacson, I whole hardily agree that "we must pursue the guilty parties to the absolute end and that as a nation agree to the rule of law and upholding the Constitution." If we do not pursue this to the end, we will have opened the door wide for hidden traitors to go through in the very near future. Next time we may lose our democracy!
One thing I have never heard mentioned in regards to poll workers....I live in Washington state and up until we changed to mail in ballots, the election boards were always comprised of Democrats and Republicans. As a Democrat, when I took the ballot boxes to the court house for counting, I was always accompanied by a Republican. Every step of the process had a Republican board worker observing every step. Isthat not the case in other states?
I cannot speak to how elections are handled in other states. But I do know this: Our poll worker teams worked through the election eve until all ballots used, unused, damaged, were accounted for in writing. Two of us (regardless of party) then drove with all the locked and sealed ballot boxes with all ballots included to the County Registrar of Voters. There always had to be two of us in a single car. This would be in the AM of the following day. We generally did not know who were Democratic and who were Republican as we were all equal on the team and, the way the thing was organized and controlled, it did not matter. (My district in the House is represented by a member of the Jan 6th Committee, Zoe Lofgren, so our district for voting is likely Democratic and there is strong support for Bernie Sanders.) But none of us could leave until the two of us returned to the site which, in my case, was the lounge in my apartment building. We had little if any impact on the actual process and tried to run it as close to instructions as possible. As I said, I quit participating because I did not feel the supervisors were following instructions to the letter but, at the same time, I understood why they chose to let my query go....we are not in a good place when it comes to democracy but we may get there if we pursue the truth to the bitter end, And it will be bitter.
Hello, Carole - I can only speak for how we approach this here in New Hampshire, and I live in a very small town. But we always have both party-affiliations present when ballots are being handled - always - a ballot clerk from each party.
And now Trumpublicans are trying to replace honest, law-abiding election workers like you with poll officials willing to corrupt the system.
Agree he must be held accountable.
As a disabled senior citizen whose only source of income is Social Security, I feel directly threatened by the Republican Party. If that gets taken, I will be on the street along with millions of other seniors and disabled citizens. The medications and treatments for my disability will disappear. Republicans have made it crystal clear that my life doesn't mean anything. That's the message I've been getting.
I’m expecting France to ask America to return the Statue of Liberty since it’s symbolism is no longer reflected by the actions of the U. S. Congress.
I understand your anxiety, but we must not let this happen. You are not alone.
Thank you for caring. I live in a low income Senior center in Montana and there are other folks living here, some as old as 98. All of us worked and paid into the system that we believed would allow us to live with dignity in our last years. Now it seems that there are elected leaders who would just take it all away in the name of some conservative ideology that really is just simple selfishness. It's hard to even let it sink in.
I wish more people were getting that message. If they cut or cancel SS, there will be an army of old people living on the streets. Not that the GOP cares.
Well, a lot of their voters depend on those checks, and yet somehow they don't acknowledge that dependence.
It's pretty sad that they don't know which side their bread is buttered on or who butters it. I hope you mean dependence on the fruit of their labor, because that's what SS is. We paid into it all our lives. The GOP dupes everyone with their 'tax cuts'. They cut taxes for the rich, not the rest of us.
We must not only call Putin's friend out, but we must also call out all men and women that stooped to his level. Within our country we have millions of men and women that will follow a demagogue to the point of endangering our democracy. Democracy like all type of government work well only if we have men and women of principle leading that government. What has been happening in our government is that more and more men and women of little principle, are occupying key positions within our system of government. The troubling fact is that to many citizens are either blind to this or don't care. During these troubling times apathetic citizens are just as dangerous to our nation as men and women of little principle.
The biggest problem is that we do not live in a democracy. The U.S. is a Republic. If we were a democracy, Hillary Clinton would have been POTUS in 2018. I know a lot of people don't care for Hillary, but she would never have packed SCOTUS like 45 did.
52 U.S. Code § 20511 - Criminal penalties
A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office—
(1)knowingly and willfully intimidates, threatens, or coerces, or attempts to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any person for—
(A)registering to vote, or voting, or attempting to register or vote;
(B)urging or aiding any person to register to vote, to vote, or to attempt to register or vote; or
(C)exercising any right under this chapter; or
(2)knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by—
(A)the procurement or submission of voter registration applications that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held; or
(B)the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held,
shall be fined in accordance with title 18 (which fines shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury, miscellaneous receipts (pursuant to section 3302 of title 31), notwithstanding any other law), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(Pub. L. 103–31, § 12, May 20, 1993, 107 Stat. 88.)
Daniel! I served as a poll worker for many years, as I have related. The reason I stopped was simple: In the manual for training, there was a sentence or two explaining that the individual poll booths were to be occupied by a single voter and no one else. What was happening was that non-English speaking voters would arrive and invite someone else to "help" them vote...this was contrary to instructions but the supervisors and managers always looked the other way and, when I brought the issue to their attention, I was generally brushed aside. (They were afraid to take this on for fear of being accused of racism.) Most of the non-English speakers were free to bring pre-marked sample ballots with them, in which case it would have been a matter of transferring their choices to the official ballot. That would have been perfectly legal; bringing someone in to the booth to help you vote, was prohibited and, when the election supervisors would not go by the rules, I quit or rather opted out of my civic duty. The actual possibility of a poll worker participating in a scheme to interfere with the voting process was nil as it makes for a full day and there is no time to devise and carry out any kind of voter fraud based on poll worker participation. I would resent the implication but, well, Trump has made it abundantly clear that he alone lives.
As a one time teacher in Southern California and as a one time resident of Miami I have concluded that I favor the requirement of speaking the English language as a REQUIREMENT for US citizenship. Civic and cultural implications are huge. I recall Hispanics in Southern California whose only holiday observance was Cinco de Mayo. School children, influenced by their parents, did not care who George Washington was even if President's Day was a holiday. In Miami, Cubans and Hispanics feel resentment when they are asked to speak English. When, if, these citizens decide to vote does anyone believe they are concerned about community issues that unify America? We should not be surprised that voting results reflect puzzling choices and
unqualified candidates. Fact based unbiased education of citizens is a constant challenge. I am unrealistic to believe that listening to NPR or watching PBS is some kind of a cure for truth, but it might help. Allowing Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones to contaminate the airwaves with lies and vicious cultural and political division should be penalized or legally challenged. I want sensible restraints on ridiculous narrative that is poisoning America.
Yes!
The experience was about as "canny" as it could be. That's exactly what we witnessed.
Even if it is effectively impossible for the Department of Justice to argue with virtual certitude that Trump's intentions constitute criminality, it can make a compelling case that, even if, despite all the evidence and despite what his family and staff told him, Trump truly, genuinely believed he won and was wronged by fraud and the vote certification process, NEVERTHELESS he is beyond all doubt totally GUILTY of resorting to unconstitutional and unethical behavior in attempting to persuade state and federal government officials to change the vote count so that he could declare himself the winner. Resorting to such means is unconstitutional and damaging to our democracy. Such means cannot be tolerated and he must be held accountable for resorting to such means, involving all sorts of pressure, intimidation, and threats, to get the result he wanted and felt to be his due. He is guilty, at the very least, of using such means, such tactics. And for that alone he must be punished to the full extent of the law.
Yes, you certainly didn’t see Al Gore behaving like that.
No resemblance, Al Gore won, really (popular vote, not the electoral thing), but Trump really lost!
Kind of the reverse of each other.
State case:
GA Code § 21-2-604 (2016)
(a) (1) A person commits the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the first degree when, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony under this article, he or she solicits, requests, commands, importunes, or otherwise attempts to cause the other person to engage in such conduct.
(2) A person commits the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the second degree when, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a misdemeanor under this article, he or she solicits, requests, commands, importunes, or otherwise attempts to cause the other person to engage in such conduct.
(b) (1) A person convicted of the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the first degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than three years.
(2) A person convicted of the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the second degree shall be punished as for a misdemeanor.
(c) It is no defense to a prosecution for criminal solicitation to commit election fraud that the person solicited could not be guilty of the crime solicited.
(d) The provisions of subsections (a) through (c) of this Code section are cumulative and shall not supersede any other penal law of this state.
"...a wave of online threats and harassment" is a tame, vague description of what Shaye Moss and her mother received and endured. They were death threats, some racist in nature. The mother's house was invaded by election deniers. Their lives have been ruined. They live in fear today.
Their testimony was the most powerful illustration of what Trump has wrought. Regular Americans doing their public service jobs and, as a result, having Trump sic horrible, vile people on them, ruining their lives.
It was painful, very troubling, and emotional to see Randy Bowers try to suppress the build up of tears in his eyes towards the end of his testimony. To hear how such principled, dignified man (and ultimately his family) was relentlessly bullied and threatened disgusted me. Who DOES this kind of thing? And when we got to Shayne Moss's story, I burst into tears. We hear of these things on the news, and know it is bad, but to hear what these people and their families have had endure.... and are still enduring... it is literally unconceivable to have to accept that this country has reached such a point of desperate and increasingly ruthless criminality and sociopathy. We are so fortunate that there are still incredibly courageous people like those we heard from today. THEY are the true American Patriots.
Yes! The true patriots for sure as they're attacked by those who absurdly call themselves patriots.
Samuel Johnson had a few apt words on the topic: “'Patriotism' is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
And someone else - attributed wrongly to Sinclair Lewis - said, "Fascism will come to America wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. "
Beautiful, Madeline! Thank you!
Early in today's hearing there was footage we've all seen many times before: insurrectionists barging into the capitol yelling for "freedom" and "rights".... This was footage displayed before the witnesses even spoke. I'd missed a chunk of the early hearing and didn't know what the subject matter was going to be. And in seeing that footage today, for some reason I was really struck by the supreme irony in their cries .... and thought how crazy and SAD and frustrating that we ALL want the same things!! trumpers and non-trumpers alike.......... but how the HELL can anyone or anything help us all to see this, and in way that could unite us?? That is the question.
yet - he never thought to bring it up to the authorities ... wasnt that a dereliction of his duty? only Gabriel Sterling, chief operating officer at the Georgia secretary of state's office, spoke out publicly , when he called out trump and his minions for going to far , saying that someone was going to get killed !
Theirs was THE MOST POWERFUL TESTIMONY I've yet heard. As a woman, an experienced single mother, as an educator (with degrees in Poli Sci and US History), today's testimony by these courageous women was beyond compelling. In all my many years on this planet, their retelling of emotional pain, physical danger, shame and guilt for "putting my Grandmother" in harm's way (paraphrasing) are issues most women can relate to deeply. This was raw emotional distress, caused by a furosious bully, for all to witness and, hopefully, learn from. It is up to ALL of us to protect these heroes!
I feel so terrible for them. I hope their testimony does some good.
Every person who threatened her and her family should have been identified by now.
Georgia state charge: O.C.G.A. 16-11-37 (2010)
16-11-37. Terroristic threats and acts; penalties
(a) A person commits the offense of a terroristic threat when he or she threatens to commit any crime of violence, to release any hazardous substance, as such term is defined in Code Section 12-8-92, or to burn or damage property with the purpose of terrorizing another or of causing the evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation or otherwise causing serious public inconvenience or in reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience. No person shall be convicted under this subsection on the uncorroborated testimony of the party to whom the threat is communicated.
(b) A person commits the offense of a terroristic act when:
(1) He or she uses a burning or flaming cross or other burning or flaming symbol or flambeau with the intent to terrorize another or another's household;
(2) While not in the commission of a lawful act, he or she shoots at or throws an object at a conveyance which is being operated or which is occupied by passengers; or
(3) He or she releases any hazardous substance or any simulated hazardous substance under the guise of a hazardous substance for the purpose of terrorizing another or of causing the evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation or otherwise causing serious public inconvenience or in reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience.
(c) A person convicted of the offense of a terroristic threat shall be punished by a fine of not more than $1,000.00 or by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years, or both. A person convicted of the offense of a terroristic act shall be punished by a fine of not more than $5,000.00 or by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than ten years, or both; provided, however, that if any person suffers a serious physical injury as a direct result of an act giving rise to a conviction under this Code section, the person so convicted shall be punished by a fine of not more than $250,000.00 or imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 40 years, or both.
(d) A person who commits or attempts to commit a terroristic threat or act with the intent to retaliate against any person for:
(1) Attending a judicial or administrative proceeding as a witness, attorney, judge, clerk of court, deputy clerk of court, court reporter, probation officer, or party or producing any record, document, or other object in a judicial or official proceeding; or
(2) Providing to a law enforcement officer, adult or juvenile probation officer, prosecuting attorney, or judge any information relating to the commission or possible commission of an offense under the laws of this state or of the United States or a violation of conditions of bail, pretrial release, probation, or parole
shall be guilty of the offense of a terroristic threat or act and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished, for a terroristic threat, by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than ten years or by a fine of not less than $50,000.00, or both, and, for a terroristic act, by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 20 years or by a fine of not less than $100,000.00, or both.
What a list! I can find no evidence that Georgia authorities are mounting any significant effort to find and charge the people who have made the threats.
Considering the racial component of the threats against Shaye Moss and her mother, Ruby Freeman, I wonder if these are federal violations. Of course the FBI and Justice Department are overwhelmed.
Moss and Freeman have sued Guiliani, One America News Network, and Gateway Pundit for defamation. https://atlantaciviccircle.org/2021/12/29/metro-atlanta-election-workers-launch-david-and-goliath-fight-against-debunked-claims/
The Georgia Legislature, while enacting voter suppression laws, has done nothing to increase protection for poll workers. https://atlantaciviccircle.org/2022/04/21/election-workers-on-their-own-when-facing-threats-accusations-of-misconduct/
It's the state statute.
Moss and Freeman settled with OAN, the others are viable.
Michael Bales ; Yes, this is terrorism.
reminds me that our schools are dealing with this kind of stuff while they try and teach our children during covid. getting death threats for teaching CRT (when it is taught in no K-12 in the US)
Everything before and since the coup attempt adds up to a guerrilla insurgency. It's not slowing down.
Report them.
Are any of the people threatening them being prosecuted?
Not that I know of. No doubt the threats were anonymous, which of course is the MO of cowards. Until some of these people are punished with jail time, there's no disincentive for them to stop.
I hope someone in law enforcement is following up on this.
In the 60's those who attacked the ones who sought civil rights were investigated by the FBI. Unfortunately, it took murders to get them to go down there.
Anonymous. the FBI has ways to find everyone involved.
Paula B. ; Have most terrorists ever been punished? the Ku Klux Klan hid under hoods like the perps behind the threats to these three women hid behind anonymity.
Yes but we still need to try.
State criminal defamation. Trump, Giuliani et al. Shaye Moss and her mother, Ruby.
O.C.G.A. 16-11-40 (2010)
16-11-40. Criminal defamation
(a) A person commits the offense of criminal defamation when, without a privilege to do so and with intent to defame another, living or dead, he communicates false matter which tends to blacken the memory of one who is dead or which exposes one who is alive to hatred, contempt, or ridicule, and which tends to provoke a breach of the peace.
(b) A person who violates subsection (a) of this Code section is guilty of a misdemeanor.
I tuned in at work I suppose somewhere around the middle but in time to see and hear Miss Ruby, her daughter and her aged mother tell about how they were terrorized by the President of the United States who, by his actions, inspired his radical followers to torment these three lovely ladies, two of whom were Georgia election poll officials in the 2020 election. All based on lies about them, developed out of whole cloth in order to slander these ladies and rouse the worst of society against them. Disgusting and disgraceful, it brought me to tears.
Me too! Tears that wouldn't stop. I am so upset for them as well as for those who spoke before them... all people just trying to do their jobs and otherwise minding their own business ... and they are STILL dealing with the fall-out.
Like many others, I have watched every minute of each hearing and will do up to the conclusion. The level of attempts Trump made to overturn our election is not only disgusting and criminal, the fact that he and so many other republicans continue the lie should alarm everyone. The midterm elections are critical to stopping the ongoing coup against democracy. We had record turnout in 2020, we need to surpass that come November. Spread the word, volunteer to be a poll watcher or worker. Support your local candidates and remember that all the deniers are going to vote, we must stop them from succeeding with our vote.
I continue to believe that our democracy is in great peril if Mr. Trump runs again in 2024. If he doesn't run, one of his staunch supporters will run. I used to be a registered Republican; no longer, however. The Republican Party today is not the Party of Abraham Lincoln. I am an Independent voter, and I carefully read the platforms of all candidates- federal, state, and local. Undoubtedly, there is much corruption in our political system with powerful lobbyists contributing millions to the coffers of candidates that support their causes. These lobbyists support Republican and Democratic candidates. What is the most powerful lobby in our country? The Israeli lobby. The American taxpayer pays over 3 billion dollars a year to Israel. Why? I don't know. They are a wealthy country, so why do they need our tax dollars. Let's send our tax dollars to Ukraine to overcome the Russian aggression.
Neil N. McLeod
Clarksburg, MA 01247
What struck me was Trump's abject cruelty and total lack of concern for others' lives. No one is safe from being targeted by him. He must never again be president.
He is a bonafide narcissist, and worse - a sociopath, and has been since childhood. But this doesn't explain why so MANY of his enablers are equally ruthless. This, however, is how fascism develops and spreads-- like wild fire after a certain point, a point I feel we're now experiencing. IT MUST BE STOPPED NOW, our only chance.
Observing from Europe
What has happened to the USA since 2015 I fear for your country and the world!
Britta, we share your horror, but the bigger question is what happened to America in 1980, and how did this lead progressively to this orange fascist?
Thank you, Britta. We’re all terrified here.
The two women from Georgia made me proud. They are dedicated women who were doing a challenging job of seeing that all the votes in their region were properly counted. They represent the best of America and I honor them and hope they will not let the bullies keep them from working for their county for its elections. We need them and a whole lot more true patriots who care about this country and its laws. Shame on the ones who threatened them for doing the right thing. I wish those folks could be prosecuted and given an appropriate penalty for the anguish they have caused.
Georgia election workers reach settlement terms with right-wing channel OAN
Also sued former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a lawyer for former President Donald Trump, saying he amplified the lies about them during frequent appearances on OAN. Their claims against Giuliani continue: They filed an amended complaint in federal court in Washington.
https://www.wabe.org/georgia-election-workers-reach-settlement-terms-with-right-wing-channel-oan/
A total loser who is scared to death of admitting it. Trump is making it so very difficult for me to keep my relatively recent vow to stop swearing. A genuinely evil man.
Not evil, just stupid.
Who, Trump? Unfortunately he is not stupid. And any of you who are thinking that I am not a psychologist would be correct. I was almost a psychologist, but I switched to another Major and completed a Minor in Psychology. I took all the diagnostic courses offered by my university, and earned an A- in every one of them, which was the top mark awarded to non-Major Psyc students at that university.
So I speak the language and understand what I have been seeing as I have watched Trump over the years. And I do not have a certificate that the APA can take away from me because I ignore their rules about publicly diagnosing famous people.
Trump has been developing Dementia in recent years, which is what often happens to people with untreated personality disorders. For many years he clearly had Narcissistic Personality Disorder AND Psychopathy, and of course he never reached out for help.
But Trump has never been stupid. I would estimate his IQ in the 125 to 135 range, perhaps a little higher, but like the typical Organized Psychopath that he is, he is completely incapable of genuine empathy but has learned over the years to fake it well enough that he can fool some people.
Trump would be much easier to deal with if he really were stupid, but unfortunately he is not stupid. To anyone who wants to understand Trump's psychology I strongly recommend BOTH of Mary L Trump's books about her uncle. She is a clinical psychologist and understands him very well.
Both evil and stupid. But shrewd enough to manipulate people.
a curious biblical quote: Proverbs 6:12-15
New International Version
12 A troublemaker and a villain,
who goes about with a corrupt mouth,
13 who winks maliciously with his eye,
signals with his feet
and motions with his fingers,
14 who plots evil with deceit in his heart—
he always stirs up conflict.
15 Therefore disaster will overtake him in an instant;
he will suddenly be destroyed—without remedy.
ASAP, please.
Fine quotation!
The problem is, we all feel worried for a reason. The overriding message of the Committee is that THIS IS STILL GOING ON, AND IT IS!!! The Texas Republican Party just issued a formal statement that Biden is not legitimately President of the US! You can bet your life the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are gearing up for midterms in November,--God only knows how bloody it will be! Judge Luttig's "clear and present danger to America" last week was directly on point. That verbal formula comes from the 1919 opinion of the great Oliver Wendall Holmes, Jr. in Schenck v. United States defining when the government may properly restrain free speech, when its self-preservation outweighs the First Amendment. Sadly, the Judge is right. We are there now!!! Yet partisanship has tied the government's hands! Perhaps I should don my private attorney general hat and file a nationwide class action vs. Trump and his cohorts for massively diluting our votes through fraud, etc.?!?! Any takers out there?
I too was thoroughly disgusted at the Texas Republican Party's Platform statement, except for their position on the right to secede from the Union. I would enthusiastically support that! In fact, I might then even support Trump's stupid border wall -- as long as it was on OUR side of Texas.
[My apologies to some friends I have who live in Texas ... I acknowledge that there are good people down there. I'll change my position if they take over the "State" before they secede.]
I will join that. We must act and be ready to defend our democracy!
Why is Trump able to run for any office?
Similar to the treachery that was used by Hitler to overtake the German government in the 1930's. I fear that the US may see a true revolution in the next two years. Similar attitudes that this country faced during the 1860's. but for the insanity of one man.
he is evil ,cruel, vindictive, misogynistic ,ignorant , belligerent and proud of it !
The real question is how to get people who watch Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and the other 'talking heads' on FOX to realize they've been conned. And don't assume these are all undereducated, illiterate people. I know doctors, lawyers, and engineers that truly believe the BS they see and hear on FOX. Read "Sapiens, A Brief History of Humankind" and you will begin to understand how this is possible. The reason so many military and ex-military were part of the Jan 6th insurrection is that FOX is the network on in the background of government lunch rooms.
Shut down Fox 'news'
Didn't someone in the armed services request that other channels/stations be available on military bases in their mess halls? I think I've heard that.
I don't know, but what we need is a ban on FOX being allowed to be aired in any military base and federal office building. But, until then, we need to publicly boycott FOX and every business that advertises their products or services on FOX, and that includes sponsorship of NFL games.
You can use your remote if you have Spectrum. I called their number and got instructions to remove it from my cable t.v. I also told them that Fox is not only un informative, but toxic, and against Democracy. Tucker Carlson broadcasts in Russia on Putin's only allowed news feed!
How is what Trump and the Qpublicans did to Shaye Moss and Lady Ruby not a Hate Crime? Merrick, are you lost in the vast wasteland of the Qpublican Conspiracy? Wake up, dude!!