I had the uncanny experience as I watched this hearing that I was witnessing (almost in real time) the degrading and ultimately the destruction of our inherited way of life - our happiness in our jobs, in our communities, in our American identity. Trump wanted to cling to power and in so doing, his lies have corroded our very quality of life. We must call him out.
Even if it is effectively impossible for the Department of Justice to argue with virtual certitude that Trump's intentions constitute criminality, it can make a compelling case that, even if, despite all the evidence and despite what his family and staff told him, Trump truly, genuinely believed he won and was wronged by fraud and the vote certification process, NEVERTHELESS he is beyond all doubt totally GUILTY of resorting to unconstitutional and unethical behavior in attempting to persuade state and federal government officials to change the vote count so that he could declare himself the winner. Resorting to such means is unconstitutional and damaging to our democracy. Such means cannot be tolerated and he must be held accountable for resorting to such means, involving all sorts of pressure, intimidation, and threats, to get the result he wanted and felt to be his due. He is guilty, at the very least, of using such means, such tactics. And for that alone he must be punished to the full extent of the law.
"...a wave of online threats and harassment" is a tame, vague description of what Shaye Moss and her mother received and endured. They were death threats, some racist in nature. The mother's house was invaded by election deniers. Their lives have been ruined. They live in fear today.
Their testimony was the most powerful illustration of what Trump has wrought. Regular Americans doing their public service jobs and, as a result, having Trump sic horrible, vile people on them, ruining their lives.
I tuned in at work I suppose somewhere around the middle but in time to see and hear Miss Ruby, her daughter and her aged mother tell about how they were terrorized by the President of the United States who, by his actions, inspired his radical followers to torment these three lovely ladies, two of whom were Georgia election poll officials in the 2020 election. All based on lies about them, developed out of whole cloth in order to slander these ladies and rouse the worst of society against them. Disgusting and disgraceful, it brought me to tears.
Like many others, I have watched every minute of each hearing and will do up to the conclusion. The level of attempts Trump made to overturn our election is not only disgusting and criminal, the fact that he and so many other republicans continue the lie should alarm everyone. The midterm elections are critical to stopping the ongoing coup against democracy. We had record turnout in 2020, we need to surpass that come November. Spread the word, volunteer to be a poll watcher or worker. Support your local candidates and remember that all the deniers are going to vote, we must stop them from succeeding with our vote.
I continue to believe that our democracy is in great peril if Mr. Trump runs again in 2024. If he doesn't run, one of his staunch supporters will run. I used to be a registered Republican; no longer, however. The Republican Party today is not the Party of Abraham Lincoln. I am an Independent voter, and I carefully read the platforms of all candidates- federal, state, and local. Undoubtedly, there is much corruption in our political system with powerful lobbyists contributing millions to the coffers of candidates that support their causes. These lobbyists support Republican and Democratic candidates. What is the most powerful lobby in our country? The Israeli lobby. The American taxpayer pays over 3 billion dollars a year to Israel. Why? I don't know. They are a wealthy country, so why do they need our tax dollars. Let's send our tax dollars to Ukraine to overcome the Russian aggression.
What struck me was Trump's abject cruelty and total lack of concern for others' lives. No one is safe from being targeted by him. He must never again be president.
The two women from Georgia made me proud. They are dedicated women who were doing a challenging job of seeing that all the votes in their region were properly counted. They represent the best of America and I honor them and hope they will not let the bullies keep them from working for their county for its elections. We need them and a whole lot more true patriots who care about this country and its laws. Shame on the ones who threatened them for doing the right thing. I wish those folks could be prosecuted and given an appropriate penalty for the anguish they have caused.
A total loser who is scared to death of admitting it. Trump is making it so very difficult for me to keep my relatively recent vow to stop swearing. A genuinely evil man.
The problem is, we all feel worried for a reason. The overriding message of the Committee is that THIS IS STILL GOING ON, AND IT IS!!! The Texas Republican Party just issued a formal statement that Biden is not legitimately President of the US! You can bet your life the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are gearing up for midterms in November,--God only knows how bloody it will be! Judge Luttig's "clear and present danger to America" last week was directly on point. That verbal formula comes from the 1919 opinion of the great Oliver Wendall Holmes, Jr. in Schenck v. United States defining when the government may properly restrain free speech, when its self-preservation outweighs the First Amendment. Sadly, the Judge is right. We are there now!!! Yet partisanship has tied the government's hands! Perhaps I should don my private attorney general hat and file a nationwide class action vs. Trump and his cohorts for massively diluting our votes through fraud, etc.?!?! Any takers out there?
Similar to the treachery that was used by Hitler to overtake the German government in the 1930's. I fear that the US may see a true revolution in the next two years. Similar attitudes that this country faced during the 1860's. but for the insanity of one man.
The real question is how to get people who watch Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and the other 'talking heads' on FOX to realize they've been conned. And don't assume these are all undereducated, illiterate people. I know doctors, lawyers, and engineers that truly believe the BS they see and hear on FOX. Read "Sapiens, A Brief History of Humankind" and you will begin to understand how this is possible. The reason so many military and ex-military were part of the Jan 6th insurrection is that FOX is the network on in the background of government lunch rooms.
How is what Trump and the Qpublicans did to Shaye Moss and Lady Ruby not a Hate Crime? Merrick, are you lost in the vast wasteland of the Qpublican Conspiracy? Wake up, dude!!
I had the uncanny experience as I watched this hearing that I was witnessing (almost in real time) the degrading and ultimately the destruction of our inherited way of life - our happiness in our jobs, in our communities, in our American identity. Trump wanted to cling to power and in so doing, his lies have corroded our very quality of life. We must call him out.
Even if it is effectively impossible for the Department of Justice to argue with virtual certitude that Trump's intentions constitute criminality, it can make a compelling case that, even if, despite all the evidence and despite what his family and staff told him, Trump truly, genuinely believed he won and was wronged by fraud and the vote certification process, NEVERTHELESS he is beyond all doubt totally GUILTY of resorting to unconstitutional and unethical behavior in attempting to persuade state and federal government officials to change the vote count so that he could declare himself the winner. Resorting to such means is unconstitutional and damaging to our democracy. Such means cannot be tolerated and he must be held accountable for resorting to such means, involving all sorts of pressure, intimidation, and threats, to get the result he wanted and felt to be his due. He is guilty, at the very least, of using such means, such tactics. And for that alone he must be punished to the full extent of the law.
"...a wave of online threats and harassment" is a tame, vague description of what Shaye Moss and her mother received and endured. They were death threats, some racist in nature. The mother's house was invaded by election deniers. Their lives have been ruined. They live in fear today.
Their testimony was the most powerful illustration of what Trump has wrought. Regular Americans doing their public service jobs and, as a result, having Trump sic horrible, vile people on them, ruining their lives.
I tuned in at work I suppose somewhere around the middle but in time to see and hear Miss Ruby, her daughter and her aged mother tell about how they were terrorized by the President of the United States who, by his actions, inspired his radical followers to torment these three lovely ladies, two of whom were Georgia election poll officials in the 2020 election. All based on lies about them, developed out of whole cloth in order to slander these ladies and rouse the worst of society against them. Disgusting and disgraceful, it brought me to tears.
Like many others, I have watched every minute of each hearing and will do up to the conclusion. The level of attempts Trump made to overturn our election is not only disgusting and criminal, the fact that he and so many other republicans continue the lie should alarm everyone. The midterm elections are critical to stopping the ongoing coup against democracy. We had record turnout in 2020, we need to surpass that come November. Spread the word, volunteer to be a poll watcher or worker. Support your local candidates and remember that all the deniers are going to vote, we must stop them from succeeding with our vote.
I continue to believe that our democracy is in great peril if Mr. Trump runs again in 2024. If he doesn't run, one of his staunch supporters will run. I used to be a registered Republican; no longer, however. The Republican Party today is not the Party of Abraham Lincoln. I am an Independent voter, and I carefully read the platforms of all candidates- federal, state, and local. Undoubtedly, there is much corruption in our political system with powerful lobbyists contributing millions to the coffers of candidates that support their causes. These lobbyists support Republican and Democratic candidates. What is the most powerful lobby in our country? The Israeli lobby. The American taxpayer pays over 3 billion dollars a year to Israel. Why? I don't know. They are a wealthy country, so why do they need our tax dollars. Let's send our tax dollars to Ukraine to overcome the Russian aggression.
Neil N. McLeod
Clarksburg, MA 01247
What struck me was Trump's abject cruelty and total lack of concern for others' lives. No one is safe from being targeted by him. He must never again be president.
Observing from Europe
What has happened to the USA since 2015 I fear for your country and the world!
The two women from Georgia made me proud. They are dedicated women who were doing a challenging job of seeing that all the votes in their region were properly counted. They represent the best of America and I honor them and hope they will not let the bullies keep them from working for their county for its elections. We need them and a whole lot more true patriots who care about this country and its laws. Shame on the ones who threatened them for doing the right thing. I wish those folks could be prosecuted and given an appropriate penalty for the anguish they have caused.
A total loser who is scared to death of admitting it. Trump is making it so very difficult for me to keep my relatively recent vow to stop swearing. A genuinely evil man.
a curious biblical quote: Proverbs 6:12-15
New International Version
12 A troublemaker and a villain,
who goes about with a corrupt mouth,
13 who winks maliciously with his eye,
signals with his feet
and motions with his fingers,
14 who plots evil with deceit in his heart—
he always stirs up conflict.
15 Therefore disaster will overtake him in an instant;
he will suddenly be destroyed—without remedy.
The problem is, we all feel worried for a reason. The overriding message of the Committee is that THIS IS STILL GOING ON, AND IT IS!!! The Texas Republican Party just issued a formal statement that Biden is not legitimately President of the US! You can bet your life the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are gearing up for midterms in November,--God only knows how bloody it will be! Judge Luttig's "clear and present danger to America" last week was directly on point. That verbal formula comes from the 1919 opinion of the great Oliver Wendall Holmes, Jr. in Schenck v. United States defining when the government may properly restrain free speech, when its self-preservation outweighs the First Amendment. Sadly, the Judge is right. We are there now!!! Yet partisanship has tied the government's hands! Perhaps I should don my private attorney general hat and file a nationwide class action vs. Trump and his cohorts for massively diluting our votes through fraud, etc.?!?! Any takers out there?
Why is Trump able to run for any office?
Similar to the treachery that was used by Hitler to overtake the German government in the 1930's. I fear that the US may see a true revolution in the next two years. Similar attitudes that this country faced during the 1860's. but for the insanity of one man.
The real question is how to get people who watch Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and the other 'talking heads' on FOX to realize they've been conned. And don't assume these are all undereducated, illiterate people. I know doctors, lawyers, and engineers that truly believe the BS they see and hear on FOX. Read "Sapiens, A Brief History of Humankind" and you will begin to understand how this is possible. The reason so many military and ex-military were part of the Jan 6th insurrection is that FOX is the network on in the background of government lunch rooms.
How is what Trump and the Qpublicans did to Shaye Moss and Lady Ruby not a Hate Crime? Merrick, are you lost in the vast wasteland of the Qpublican Conspiracy? Wake up, dude!!