Failing to enforce the law because it might look partisan is contaminating justice with politics. Not prosecuting Trump because it would make us look like a Banana Republic fails to hold Radical Trump Republicans responsible for their actions and will degrade the authority of The Rule of Law and empower bad actors to commit treasonous acts in the future.
Me too! I am carefully optimistic with Jan6 Committee and DOJ likely to receive Jones' texts and emails and executive privilege off the table for testimony by top WH officials to the DOJ.
No executive privilege vis a vis crime. IMHO those who assert it are guilty of misprison of a felony. See below.
Was Jones party to insurrection? 18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
In general, I broadly support your citations and arguments here regarding charges of sedition against Trump and many in his immediate circle. I will sound a note of caution, in that sedition is statutorily a very broad offense, and has most often been used historically to prosecute _liberal and radical organizations and their activists_. As one example, one could quite plausibly have charged those turning out to protest Trump's inauguration in January, 2017 with sedition as an attempt to delay his taking the oath of office. I don't know that convictions would have been obtained, but national authorities have routinely resorted to sedition laws in similar instances. And should, for example, De Santis, Josh Hawley, or Tom Cotton come to power at some later time, don't doubt that any of them could and very probably would make extremely wide use of sedition laws against popular demonstrations. Red America must be defeated, and know that they are defeated, because putative retaliation is their signature modus operandi, and has been since Clinton was impeached. They and their like will in all probability attempt to lodge similar charges should they have the opportunity to do so, in my opinion. I have stated before here that an awareness of this has, in my view, figured into the absurd slowness of Biden and Garland to legally charge Trump's inner circle to this time.
That said, Trump's actions, those of his inner circle, and those of his mobocrats have struck me from the very day of 6 Jan 2021 as sedition ipso facto. It IS important to prosecute the relative deluded small fry who stormed the Capitol, so that those involved come to realize that actions against the process of government have _real_ and personal consequences. But it is far more important to charge, prosecute, and convict the main actors in these events. Trump's putsch was farcical, but the structure of the attempt was all too real, and has to be met with the firmest of legal and institutional counter-measures. It is absurd to me that only in a _hearing_ in Congress have the details thus far been pursued when these are definitionally matters for the Department of Justice of the United States to reply to. Again, Garland is utterly the wrong man for the job---until and unless he shows otherwise.
While sweeping sedition charges could likely be brought, myself I'm more in favor of a narrow focus on key events. Any jury trial of Trump will be difficult, and let's not exclude the fact that his own actions in many respects are of muddled intent where successful prosecution needs to prove his _knowing involvement_ for conviction. Any of us who still recall Reagan's excecrable "I don't recall' evasion of charges long since (which figured into the retaliatory impeachment of Clinton come the opportunity) will have less than full confidence of outcome. This may be even more the case, for example, for those who organized the 6 January rally. Proving sedition against them will be difficult. For that reason, I am most interest in DoJ and state Attorneys General investigating _quickly_, charging, and prosecuting the fake electors actions, and the attempts to have vote counts falsified. These already can be traced directly to stated actions of Trump and his interior circle. There is no ambiguity to "I only need 11,000 votes." Attempts to substitute Presidential electors with no statutory authority to do so and expressly against electoral laws and the will of the people are, in simple definition, acts of sedition; no ambiguity whatsoever. I think keeping charges of Trump and his seniors to key actions of definitional sedition against the laws of the country will be important, for result and credibility both.
And I do most definitely think that such charges MUST be brought, and should have been brought already. The country is in an existential crisis. Trump's immediate actions were opera buffa, but their form and implications are very, very real. And the Red Hat sympathy for them must be categorically defeated. A failure of will to do so will be seen as exactly that, by everyone in the country in all realms of opinion on this. A country that does not defend its primary laws and institutions will simply see those brooked openly and to far worse outcome than thus far. Much of the low standing of Biden, and I have to say of Garland too, is that they thus far plainly lack the balls to defend the Constitution. They need to grow a couple of pairs for 'the greater good,' this matter can't wait until they can be replaced electorally---not least since they might plausibly be replaced by exactly those who would advance sedition rather than put it down.
I referred to Jones. The problem with Trump is that he will allege that as president, he has sovereign immunity. That's why the actual words, nor circumstantial evidence may be needed to convict him.
See what I said below about the easiest count -- obstruction of the electoral count, 18 U.S. Code § 595 - Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments
Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
This section shall not prohibit or make unlawful any act by any officer or employee of any educational or research institution, establishment, agency, or system which is supported in whole or in part by any state or political subdivision thereof, or by the District of Columbia or by any Territory or Possession of the United States; or by any recognized religious, philanthropic or cultural organization.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 720; Pub. L. 91–405, title II, § 204(d)(6), Sept. 22, 1970, 84 Stat. 853; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), (L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
Agreed. And I disagree with those of us trying to hurry along Garland. Yes, the wheels of justice turn slowly, but if you have all your legal evidence, witnesses aligned, you will get a conviction. I just don't believe the very guilty trumpster will spend ten minutes in jail, his 5 injustices in the not so supreme court will let him off the hook because....... ( I am excluding Chief Justice Roberts, because while I disagree with his politics, he usually finds on the side of the Constitution.) Getting a conviction and having that conviction upheld in the Federal Circuit Appellate Court is of greater historical purpose than any finding of the 5 numbskulls (Thomas, Kincaid, Gorsuch, Barrett, Alito).
Should bring actions against all concerned. That includes those who cooperated with the House committee unless they came forward contemporaneous to when they knew a crime was being committed.
18 U.S. Code § 4 - Misprision of felony
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Once these folks are charged, IMHO many will flip.
I think the easiest cases involve conspiracy to obstruct the electoral count. 18 U.S. Code § 595 - Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments
Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
This section shall not prohibit or make unlawful any act by any officer or employee of any educational or research institution, establishment, agency, or system which is supported in whole or in part by any state or political subdivision thereof, or by the District of Columbia or by any Territory or Possession of the United States; or by any recognized religious, philanthropic or cultural organization.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 720; Pub. L. 91–405, title II, § 204(d)(6), Sept. 22, 1970, 84 Stat. 853; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), (L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
IMHO every member of the government should be questioned to determine whether they knew or had reason to know crimes were being committed. That includes all members of Congress.
Thank you for a detailed response to what we all know has been drawn out far too long. This country doesn’t know it yet, but it is on the verge of happy hysteria on hearing we actually can depend on the “LAW” to keep us all safer and committed to kindness and community. Donald Trump is a terribly sad example to base your reality on. We as Americans can ask for better mental health care so Donald Trump and his desperate followers can get the help they need. We are always blathering about “mental health” and standing by as all of ours goes down the drain that Donald Trump brought with him to “ drain the swamp”.
Stand strong and healthy America on demanding the boundaries and the structure and protections that strong and actual LAWS mean for a strong society. We cannot have order and hope without the systems we so often quote that we follow.
Here is the time and the chance to actually support ourselves. That is what a healthy human does.
Alex Jones is a good example of why Congress should reexamine the Fairness Doctrine (killed during the Reagan administration) and work at modifying it for our 21st Century communication systems.
I just reviewed the Fairness Doctrine. I agree with you. I bet there are a lot of people like myself who would love to hear differing viewpoints instead of the garbage that the likes of Jones, Carlson and many others spew.
Then it's time we make an updated version of the Fairness Doctrine! I don't think our Founding Fathers meant for people to just be able to make up outright lies as a way to make money and gain power when they came up with the 1st Amendment...but then again, America has had Snake-Oil salesmen for as long as we can remember...they just weren't in power politically.
I absolutely agree. Unfortunately, it'll go >nowhere< as long as ol' Tweety's mob have >any kind< of control in Congress. I'm beginning to think it's arguably more important to rid Congress of all the "swamp scum" is more important even the bustin' ol' Tweety back to the day he was conceived!
Sinema's hedge fund donors called in their favors. If Dems can win a few more Senate seats, then maybe, MAYBE, carried interest loophole gets corked in a future reconciliation bill. Maybe. On the plus side, finally some serious investment to tackle climate change. Three steps forward (climate funding), one step back (fossil fuel funding), but I'll take it.
Joe Manchin's personal investments are all in fossil fuels so he would not have agreed to support the legislation without a provision to fund more fossil fuel investment. He got what he wanted in the bill already so he traded away the carried interest loophole provision to get Sinema on Board. If he actually cared as much about the loophole as he indicated he would not have done so..
from NYT "Democrats agreed to a number of fossil fuel and drilling provisions as concessions to Senator Joe Manchin III of West Virginia, a holdout from a conservative state that is heavily dependent on coal and gas.
The measure would assure new oil drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska’s Cook Inlet. It would expand tax credits for carbon capture technology that could allow coal or gas-burning power plants to keep operating with lower emissions. And it would mandate that the Interior Department continue to hold auctions for fossil fuel leases if it plans to approve new wind or solar projects on federal lands."
Thanks Jason. This helps clarify the scope of those provisions!
I don’t have any real concerns that tax credits for carbon capture technologies will result in continuing operation of coal units. Over 75% of all the coal units operating in the year 2000 have now been closed and razed (from 1,100 units in 2000 down to ~250 units currently). And many of the remaining units are scheduled to close by 2030-2035. Coal is just not economical and hasn’t been in over 15 years. To put it simply, coal is dead and it ain’t coming back.
Removing CO2 from the exhaust of natural gas plants is very challenging from a cost perspective due to the excessive amount of air that must be used to meet stoichiometric demand and to control combustion temperature in the gas turbine. All that excess air dilutes the CO2 and makes it much more costly to capture and sequester. So, I just don’t believe natural gas combined power plants can be cost-effectively retrofitted with CO2 capture/sequestration technology.
My big concern is that new offshore oil leases may significantly lower the opportunity for building large offshore wind turbine installations by reducing the lease options available to wind project developers.
America doesn't need much coal any more but Joe manchin's largest personal investment is his coal company, and Joe get's what he wants or the bill doesn't get his support. The reason we are sacked with the coal provision is Joe's conflict of interest. Where all of his investments are in fossil fuels Manchin should not be involved the clean energy decision making proccess.
I am in total agreement with you on Manchin. He should have never been involved since he has a vested interest in the energy business.
Fortunately, his insistence on putting “coal provisions” in the bill will not benefit coal companies or increase coal use in any way. Joe Manchin is powerless to stop coal’s demise. I just hope people who support renewable power and sustainable technologies understand this.
The first fossil fuels were the guts of animals slaughtered and thrown into a dried up well in a town that eventually went defunct. When people returned, the well contained oil. Fossil fuels are replenishable.
Kansas provided the model. Time for all interested parties in the red states to follow the Kansas lead in having the voters amend the state constitutions.
It seems the folks in Kansas have been asking the same question, and amending the state constitution to guarantee a woman's freedom of choice in a statewide referendum is how they handled it. Bravo on them! That's what I was gettin' at. If you're in a state whose wank-publicans have legislated a ban on choice, mount an effort to put an Amendment issue up for the voters to decide whether to outlaw that kind of legislation.
Is there, then, an upside to Federalism, i.e., allowing states' rights, letting them decide many legal questions?
We might get a patchwork America: You can smoke pot in Colorado, get an abortion in California, and openly carry as many weapons as possible in Texas. We'll be a bit like Europe, which might even work if some nation-states would allow residents to travel to other American nation-states, do their business there, and return with no fallout. But I imagine that the nation-state of Texas, for example, will not permit such personal freedom, only those that fit its political viewpoint.
So we never solve these big problems; we just rework them into different insoluble ones. (There's no escaping the endless punishments of hell; we just call it Earth to attract cosmic tourists. But they see the lay of the land here and studiously avoid us for the most part.)
We have a full faith and credit clause and a supremacy clause in the Constitution that were not observed until FDR. The 14th amendment due process and equal protection clauses also were not applied to the states. We are back to the future.
States are free to experiment, except that there are certain federal mandates that may mean they aren't entitled to federal funding or reimbursement.
On the other hand, here's my 2ȼ! You've hit on something that struck me in studying poli-sci years ago. I think the founders may have had just such a European model in mind - states being independent countries in their own right. I've never seen that stated anywhere, so don't take my word as fact. It's just an impression. Remember, the Articles of Confederation came before The Constitution, and in the Civil War, we fought the Confederacy. I think the confederation principle was more a convenient way for separate, otherwise sovereign (nation) states to conduct trade and provide common defense - much like the EU today. When I was a youngster, I was frequently confounded by the different uses of the word "state." To me, it was always as I understood US states. It tilted me a little when I started hearing different countries referred to as states. Ergo, if state = country, and we are the United States, is the United States a country or what? Of course, that's all rhetorical. I'm just sayin'. It makes my brain hurt if I ponder it too much! LOL!
I need to see "Perp walks!" I am being completely serious. There should be a long, long, long line. Even from people, that "we the people" have not even heard of yet. This was/is an almost realized, take-over of our country! And they have managed to still have people working towards that end-those running for office, those monetarily and vocally supporting them all, and anyone who had knowledge of this evil and did not go to the right people to give solid information. I do not believe we should entertain the idea of former VP Pence, even though Trump turned on him, as a candidate for future office. We could also not withstand, at this point, to have election deniers, climate change deniers, those tangled up with questions big money donors. Pence has, at least, some political acumen and had to be aware of some serious, nefarious goings-on. I do not believe he can call the "I never knew" defense because he was in the room, for four LONG years. We also, as a nation abide somehow by the likes of thugs, such as DeSantis! Nikki Haley let South Carolina down in SO many ways-all documented. This is not the Republican Party my parent's believed in. Let in someone in that is Trump-like, power-mad, money-hungry, dictatorial, my way or the highway goons. Yes, goons. I do not say that lightly. There needs to be a cleansing and a reckoning for every single person who is complicit. A great fear is that this way of "being" that was taught so well by Trump has made others realize they can do it also and have the backing of people who think they know better, but absolutely do NOT. We must find a way of counteracting the most base of humanity. They are totally ill-informed, do not even begin to know what our Government really does and does not do, who can do what and who cannot- nothing! They just "feel" that way. Or have bought into the anger and having felt cheated in their own lives, grabbed onto hatred. They are not aware of the truth-they are not aware of the actual issues. And, pardon me, but a lot of people are actually stupid when it comes to real issues, problems and are simply trying to find a "home" where other people who also feel "less than" or cheated out of the life they feel they deserve, gather together and then find themselves with other groups who have the same, dumb and terrifying agendas. And there are also plenty of smart people who think in those ways, too. I believe it is from an attitude of "I can do it-why can't you?" And many with quite some rancor and fervency. Even though many have , shall I say, "comfortable' lifestyles and may be caring people to their families, some pals and some animals, they still have an emotional problem when it comes down to it. And also, so many are simply watching the "wrong" television channel and being with and hanging out with acquaintances, friends, and family who actually believe these stealthy lies. That is sad, because there are many good people who I know myself and care about that watch and believe only these lies, deceit, and so-called "proof." It is hard to be good friends with "Trump-people." The main perp-walk is the one of the orange Cheeto-as someone I love very much- referred to him. I recall seeing that liar and control freak, Jim Baker, perp-walked, still crying, and in handcuffs-they had found him hiding away underneath his sofa! Somehow, although his wife died, he did what bit he had to do and now the children are moving in their parent's stead! Not Good! Think of Trump's children doing that! SAVE our country and deliver our beautiful Earth.
@ts. You are right. I call that person the tangerine twat grabber. But anyway, you describe 3 main demographics in the USA. There is leadership among "them" who are all cynical grifters and apologists for the robber barons. For this service they scrape off their 30 pieces of silver. They are willful traitors to the American cause and they don't believe in democracy. They just want money. They are the same type of running dogs who support Putin, Orban and all the other dictators. Then there are those that are just totally afraid and angry. These poor souls are so frightened their brains can't actually work. They are told that the people they are afraid of are causing all their troubles and they believe it. These are the Faux Noose watchers. The last bunch are the sheep who follow the evil wolves and the fearful ones who are in their communities. Even the preachers in churches are on the take and trying to make more money by repeating the lies and deceptions of the grifter class. No actual followers of Jesus anywhere in sight. Fortunately all of those 3 demographics together are only about one-third of our total population. I like to call this group "the Confederacy!" They are not fighting for cotton anymore, but they ARE fighting for white nationalism because the combined efforts of their "leadership" and Faux Noose have made these people blind as to who is really stealing their money and their opportunities. What real (small "d") democrats need to do is prevent the seizure of the national institutions of our country and prevent those very "democratic institutions" from being turned into weapons of suppression to be used by the moneyed interests, the global, internationalist capitalists and the grifters who are in cahoots trying to take over. That's why they like Orban - that's what he has done in Hungary. In Hungary, people vote, but their votes don't count for anything. In this country our votes still matter. We need to Vote out the Confederacy while we still can!
Well-spotted, those 3 different groups! And may I offer congratulations to your clever branding names. They actually make perfect sense! When one is able to cull down all the disparate groups and their agendas, one would think it gives an opportunity to watch how they "feed off each other"- like the energy vampires they are. If I was alone in a room-or just in a room with anyone like that, I would literally feel the energy draining from my body! They are exhausting! And Orange Cheeto kept me exhausted for years. So thank you and I believe this was a productive beginning of a discussion. Am glad that Robert Reich, who I do still listen carefully to, was "put out there" by Heather Richardson Cox. She is a vital voice and I read her Letter to an American every single day. Thank you, Sir! ts
There is a serious lack of conscience in this country.People who should (and or did ) know better ALLOWED themselves to be brain infected.I have no idea what his secret sauce is,but ,yes,as George Conway states," he walks people so far over the horizen,they can't find their way back".
It's tough to admit they made a mistake,even to the point of feeling downright stupid and idiotic,but it must be done.They will feel so much better for it.And giving creedence to these extremists does nothing to heal themselves or for our beloved nation.My prayer every day is,Lord please give WISDOM! There's a great deal of it out there ,we just need to use it.A breath of fresh air is out there,just watch!
Willfully allowed! Let them try to say, "Oh, my bad. I made a mistake." and see what idiots they are for thinking we the people and the people of good will and faith have to say to them. They must be called out for what they have done. And are still doing. That is a good prayer and thank you for sharing it. Mine must be this:, "Lord, please let (fill in the many blanks) receive what You know they deserve." That is the best for me to do. I dig your hopefulness and faith! Keep doing that-it is helping- you, others and may you receive some peace of mind, too. :) !
I hope the voter response in Kansas will embolden a similar response for the November elections! I hope the middle section of voters will enjoy asserting their voices! Let's get out there and vote BLUE 🗳 💪
America is like a dysfunctional family with a teenager going through a surly goth phase. We're all holding our noses and hoping they grow out of it. I'm pleased to see that Kansas is speaking out with entirely reasonable ideas. If the Robert Taft Ohio Republicans can shove out the punks, maybe we'll be alright. And trust that many people aren't thrilled by going back to the good old days. Heartland women, African-Americans, Hispano-Americans. They don't want a reverse gear on progress.
Even if a few of these folks ARE the "have-yachts."
Plenty of them,we didn't need to spend time,energy and money to deal w/ this maniac's mental illness! Let's continue to unblot ourselves in many ways and be a beacon of light to the world!
The two Rodgers and Hammerstein lines (two different shows, two different songs, two different lines) are:
“The corn is as high as an elephant’s eye” (from “Oklahoma!”)
“I’m as corny as Kansas in August” (from “South Pacific”)
Terrific music and lyrics by both gentlemen. Doubt there are any elephants in Kansas, where I think the musical “Oklahoma!” begins. Nobody minds.
Let’s get a mansion for Manchin (he probably already has one) and a cinema for Sinema, and hope that both are primaried ASAP.
I still dislike the fossil fuel boosters in the bill. Somebody’ll have to row out to the nearly submerged Kentuckians to explain why they still have to put up with climate change.
And WHAT did the Parliamentarian just do?—Eliminate the medical bill reductions for 180 million people?
There are some people I’d like to send out to some remote isle.
Generally, though, I appreciate the good-humored and well-informed way you both present things.
Alex Jones just showed all Americans the TRUE _rumplican party after his court date: meek, submissive and cowardly. They are NOT "alpha males" despite his incessant growling and foaming. Calling them BETAS is an insult to betas everywhere though. What's below that?
The Punitive Damages amount of just over $45mil was not enough! He is "worth" at least $270mil. It was lower than the calculus of the amount Could have been, by law. Jail- do not pass GO. Period. Exclamation point!You are right to question that--I actually thought there was jail time attached. Anyone...?
And under Texas law apparently he might not have to pay all of the money out, as there are limitations designed to disincentivize such suits. Imagine that, in Texas, where I sadly live!
Texas needs an upgrade.My dear brother who passed away lived in Euless.I miss him so,but am super glad he's not subject to all these shenanigans.He was a wise
Is that so regarding the Texas by-laws? Well, well. And I know that feeling when one knows they are in the incorrect state for their views and beliefs. I am from South Carolina! Okay? SC has proven it is able to go Democratic, however. Like the time the Lottery was on the ballot-to have or not to have-and the Democrat running, Governor Jim Hodges, won. Yes, he supported the Lottery. Otherwise South Carolinians were driving to about 4 other states it touches just to get the tickets. So, we had a Democratic Governor for 4 years! So I will not feel or think any particular way about you living in Texas if you, and others, will grant me the same "break." Every place has it's ups and downs, it's negative and positive qualities. It just seems like some have that in much greater numbers-or-just LOUDER numbers! While I'
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There are some other families also suing him for defamation. They will likely also get compensation and punitive damages. I have read he is hiding some of his money every day, fearing the worst. I think “the worst” is what he absolutely deserves.
That is good information about him hiding away more of his ill-gotten gains. May he have to write every single check himself in the amount of $1.36 until he reaches the first 4.2million $ and then continue. And the other tule would be that he cannot speak, except to Jan. 6 committee, DOJ and anyone else that is in authority who can see the further truths he is hiding, just like "his"money. I think I just said, in a round about way, "A pox on Thy house." Thank you , Carol, for bringing that out!
Okay, re:jail time for A. Jones topic--these first two were Civil cases. With 2 more outstanding. There will be a criminal trial, as far as I can tell. His lawyers accidentally sent the files and phone records, everything, to the lawyers for the Plaintiffs. There were, among a LOT of things to read about-nefarious, vile things that the Jan. 6th Committee will also see, contained "some phone calls with Roger Stone." Everyone is pretty much gagging over that one. It is called good versus evil! Grin-as tremendously undoing for good people, our institutions and the country as a whole, I do find some -almost some-0 comic relief in that boondoggle! Black humor, that is. Still- onwards & upwards.
Good to know there WILL be a criminal trial, at least for perjury if nothing else. I'm sure his lawyers -- oops -- did this on purpose, they had enough of him.
You seem really tuned in! It is kind of music to my ears. It is sad to have to think about people in these terms, however, he did it and we are pointing out what we see and hear. It is called justice and I am impressed with the precision the Jan 6 Committee is using.
Is it true that the wonderful provisions relating to drug prices in the Inflation Reduction Act will not take effect until 2025 or 2026, and one of the drugs excluded from lowered prices is insulin?
Still waiting for Garland to prosecute America's Hitler.
Failing to enforce the law because it might look partisan is contaminating justice with politics. Not prosecuting Trump because it would make us look like a Banana Republic fails to hold Radical Trump Republicans responsible for their actions and will degrade the authority of The Rule of Law and empower bad actors to commit treasonous acts in the future.
Failing to prosecute Trump WILL make us look like a banana republic!
Me too! I am carefully optimistic with Jan6 Committee and DOJ likely to receive Jones' texts and emails and executive privilege off the table for testimony by top WH officials to the DOJ.
Add the state grand jury in Georgia.
No executive privilege vis a vis crime. IMHO those who assert it are guilty of misprison of a felony. See below.
Was Jones party to insurrection? 18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
IMHO people who republished Jones' defamation also stand to be liable for defamation.
In general, I broadly support your citations and arguments here regarding charges of sedition against Trump and many in his immediate circle. I will sound a note of caution, in that sedition is statutorily a very broad offense, and has most often been used historically to prosecute _liberal and radical organizations and their activists_. As one example, one could quite plausibly have charged those turning out to protest Trump's inauguration in January, 2017 with sedition as an attempt to delay his taking the oath of office. I don't know that convictions would have been obtained, but national authorities have routinely resorted to sedition laws in similar instances. And should, for example, De Santis, Josh Hawley, or Tom Cotton come to power at some later time, don't doubt that any of them could and very probably would make extremely wide use of sedition laws against popular demonstrations. Red America must be defeated, and know that they are defeated, because putative retaliation is their signature modus operandi, and has been since Clinton was impeached. They and their like will in all probability attempt to lodge similar charges should they have the opportunity to do so, in my opinion. I have stated before here that an awareness of this has, in my view, figured into the absurd slowness of Biden and Garland to legally charge Trump's inner circle to this time.
That said, Trump's actions, those of his inner circle, and those of his mobocrats have struck me from the very day of 6 Jan 2021 as sedition ipso facto. It IS important to prosecute the relative deluded small fry who stormed the Capitol, so that those involved come to realize that actions against the process of government have _real_ and personal consequences. But it is far more important to charge, prosecute, and convict the main actors in these events. Trump's putsch was farcical, but the structure of the attempt was all too real, and has to be met with the firmest of legal and institutional counter-measures. It is absurd to me that only in a _hearing_ in Congress have the details thus far been pursued when these are definitionally matters for the Department of Justice of the United States to reply to. Again, Garland is utterly the wrong man for the job---until and unless he shows otherwise.
While sweeping sedition charges could likely be brought, myself I'm more in favor of a narrow focus on key events. Any jury trial of Trump will be difficult, and let's not exclude the fact that his own actions in many respects are of muddled intent where successful prosecution needs to prove his _knowing involvement_ for conviction. Any of us who still recall Reagan's excecrable "I don't recall' evasion of charges long since (which figured into the retaliatory impeachment of Clinton come the opportunity) will have less than full confidence of outcome. This may be even more the case, for example, for those who organized the 6 January rally. Proving sedition against them will be difficult. For that reason, I am most interest in DoJ and state Attorneys General investigating _quickly_, charging, and prosecuting the fake electors actions, and the attempts to have vote counts falsified. These already can be traced directly to stated actions of Trump and his interior circle. There is no ambiguity to "I only need 11,000 votes." Attempts to substitute Presidential electors with no statutory authority to do so and expressly against electoral laws and the will of the people are, in simple definition, acts of sedition; no ambiguity whatsoever. I think keeping charges of Trump and his seniors to key actions of definitional sedition against the laws of the country will be important, for result and credibility both.
And I do most definitely think that such charges MUST be brought, and should have been brought already. The country is in an existential crisis. Trump's immediate actions were opera buffa, but their form and implications are very, very real. And the Red Hat sympathy for them must be categorically defeated. A failure of will to do so will be seen as exactly that, by everyone in the country in all realms of opinion on this. A country that does not defend its primary laws and institutions will simply see those brooked openly and to far worse outcome than thus far. Much of the low standing of Biden, and I have to say of Garland too, is that they thus far plainly lack the balls to defend the Constitution. They need to grow a couple of pairs for 'the greater good,' this matter can't wait until they can be replaced electorally---not least since they might plausibly be replaced by exactly those who would advance sedition rather than put it down.
I referred to Jones. The problem with Trump is that he will allege that as president, he has sovereign immunity. That's why the actual words, nor circumstantial evidence may be needed to convict him.
See what I said below about the easiest count -- obstruction of the electoral count, 18 U.S. Code § 595 - Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments
Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
This section shall not prohibit or make unlawful any act by any officer or employee of any educational or research institution, establishment, agency, or system which is supported in whole or in part by any state or political subdivision thereof, or by the District of Columbia or by any Territory or Possession of the United States; or by any recognized religious, philanthropic or cultural organization.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 720; Pub. L. 91–405, title II, § 204(d)(6), Sept. 22, 1970, 84 Stat. 853; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), (L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
Agreed. And I disagree with those of us trying to hurry along Garland. Yes, the wheels of justice turn slowly, but if you have all your legal evidence, witnesses aligned, you will get a conviction. I just don't believe the very guilty trumpster will spend ten minutes in jail, his 5 injustices in the not so supreme court will let him off the hook because....... ( I am excluding Chief Justice Roberts, because while I disagree with his politics, he usually finds on the side of the Constitution.) Getting a conviction and having that conviction upheld in the Federal Circuit Appellate Court is of greater historical purpose than any finding of the 5 numbskulls (Thomas, Kincaid, Gorsuch, Barrett, Alito).
I love your detailed, informative responses
The DOJ has been investigating people around Trump which would not make sense if they had no intention of moving forward.
Should bring actions against all concerned. That includes those who cooperated with the House committee unless they came forward contemporaneous to when they knew a crime was being committed.
18 U.S. Code § 4 - Misprision of felony
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 684; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(G), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
Once these folks are charged, IMHO many will flip.
I think the easiest cases involve conspiracy to obstruct the electoral count. 18 U.S. Code § 595 - Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments
Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
This section shall not prohibit or make unlawful any act by any officer or employee of any educational or research institution, establishment, agency, or system which is supported in whole or in part by any state or political subdivision thereof, or by the District of Columbia or by any Territory or Possession of the United States; or by any recognized religious, philanthropic or cultural organization.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 720; Pub. L. 91–405, title II, § 204(d)(6), Sept. 22, 1970, 84 Stat. 853; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), (L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
IMHO every member of the government should be questioned to determine whether they knew or had reason to know crimes were being committed. That includes all members of Congress.
Thank you for a detailed response to what we all know has been drawn out far too long. This country doesn’t know it yet, but it is on the verge of happy hysteria on hearing we actually can depend on the “LAW” to keep us all safer and committed to kindness and community. Donald Trump is a terribly sad example to base your reality on. We as Americans can ask for better mental health care so Donald Trump and his desperate followers can get the help they need. We are always blathering about “mental health” and standing by as all of ours goes down the drain that Donald Trump brought with him to “ drain the swamp”.
Stand strong and healthy America on demanding the boundaries and the structure and protections that strong and actual LAWS mean for a strong society. We cannot have order and hope without the systems we so often quote that we follow.
Here is the time and the chance to actually support ourselves. That is what a healthy human does.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6sEMQNHbK4
Alex Jones is a good example of why Congress should reexamine the Fairness Doctrine (killed during the Reagan administration) and work at modifying it for our 21st Century communication systems.
I just reviewed the Fairness Doctrine. I agree with you. I bet there are a lot of people like myself who would love to hear differing viewpoints instead of the garbage that the likes of Jones, Carlson and many others spew.
Only applied to broadcasters. Won't apply to cable.
Then it's time we make an updated version of the Fairness Doctrine! I don't think our Founding Fathers meant for people to just be able to make up outright lies as a way to make money and gain power when they came up with the 1st Amendment...but then again, America has had Snake-Oil salesmen for as long as we can remember...they just weren't in power politically.
One of THE most important things we can do. Get the majority ownership of media conglomerates out of these Putin-loving, traitor Republicans’ hands.
I absolutely agree. Unfortunately, it'll go >nowhere< as long as ol' Tweety's mob have >any kind< of control in Congress. I'm beginning to think it's arguably more important to rid Congress of all the "swamp scum" is more important even the bustin' ol' Tweety back to the day he was conceived!
Sinema's hedge fund donors called in their favors. If Dems can win a few more Senate seats, then maybe, MAYBE, carried interest loophole gets corked in a future reconciliation bill. Maybe. On the plus side, finally some serious investment to tackle climate change. Three steps forward (climate funding), one step back (fossil fuel funding), but I'll take it.
What happened with fossil fuel funding?
Joe Manchin's personal investments are all in fossil fuels so he would not have agreed to support the legislation without a provision to fund more fossil fuel investment. He got what he wanted in the bill already so he traded away the carried interest loophole provision to get Sinema on Board. If he actually cared as much about the loophole as he indicated he would not have done so..
from NYT "Democrats agreed to a number of fossil fuel and drilling provisions as concessions to Senator Joe Manchin III of West Virginia, a holdout from a conservative state that is heavily dependent on coal and gas.
The measure would assure new oil drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska’s Cook Inlet. It would expand tax credits for carbon capture technology that could allow coal or gas-burning power plants to keep operating with lower emissions. And it would mandate that the Interior Department continue to hold auctions for fossil fuel leases if it plans to approve new wind or solar projects on federal lands."
Thanks Jason. This helps clarify the scope of those provisions!
I don’t have any real concerns that tax credits for carbon capture technologies will result in continuing operation of coal units. Over 75% of all the coal units operating in the year 2000 have now been closed and razed (from 1,100 units in 2000 down to ~250 units currently). And many of the remaining units are scheduled to close by 2030-2035. Coal is just not economical and hasn’t been in over 15 years. To put it simply, coal is dead and it ain’t coming back.
Removing CO2 from the exhaust of natural gas plants is very challenging from a cost perspective due to the excessive amount of air that must be used to meet stoichiometric demand and to control combustion temperature in the gas turbine. All that excess air dilutes the CO2 and makes it much more costly to capture and sequester. So, I just don’t believe natural gas combined power plants can be cost-effectively retrofitted with CO2 capture/sequestration technology.
My big concern is that new offshore oil leases may significantly lower the opportunity for building large offshore wind turbine installations by reducing the lease options available to wind project developers.
Just my initial thoughts...
America doesn't need much coal any more but Joe manchin's largest personal investment is his coal company, and Joe get's what he wants or the bill doesn't get his support. The reason we are sacked with the coal provision is Joe's conflict of interest. Where all of his investments are in fossil fuels Manchin should not be involved the clean energy decision making proccess.
I am in total agreement with you on Manchin. He should have never been involved since he has a vested interest in the energy business.
Fortunately, his insistence on putting “coal provisions” in the bill will not benefit coal companies or increase coal use in any way. Joe Manchin is powerless to stop coal’s demise. I just hope people who support renewable power and sustainable technologies understand this.
Good summary of details. Thanks!
There IS no more fossil fuel, which they may be waking up to. Maybe? Hopefully?
The first fossil fuels were the guts of animals slaughtered and thrown into a dried up well in a town that eventually went defunct. When people returned, the well contained oil. Fossil fuels are replenishable.
amerikkka needs a kyrsten enema
christian??
Yes she is profoundly vain and self obsessed.
no warp there,you are spot on!
I saw the same thing,she's very la-ti-da!
Did you see her bratty "F-you" ring?
I also have an idea she's horribly shallow inside
Kansas provided the model. Time for all interested parties in the red states to follow the Kansas lead in having the voters amend the state constitutions.
who the heck do these folks think they are? It's our bodies,our lives,our everything.They had better jump back Jack! Light always conquers dark!!!
It seems the folks in Kansas have been asking the same question, and amending the state constitution to guarantee a woman's freedom of choice in a statewide referendum is how they handled it. Bravo on them! That's what I was gettin' at. If you're in a state whose wank-publicans have legislated a ban on choice, mount an effort to put an Amendment issue up for the voters to decide whether to outlaw that kind of legislation.
They need it on their to do list,front and center.
Is there, then, an upside to Federalism, i.e., allowing states' rights, letting them decide many legal questions?
We might get a patchwork America: You can smoke pot in Colorado, get an abortion in California, and openly carry as many weapons as possible in Texas. We'll be a bit like Europe, which might even work if some nation-states would allow residents to travel to other American nation-states, do their business there, and return with no fallout. But I imagine that the nation-state of Texas, for example, will not permit such personal freedom, only those that fit its political viewpoint.
So we never solve these big problems; we just rework them into different insoluble ones. (There's no escaping the endless punishments of hell; we just call it Earth to attract cosmic tourists. But they see the lay of the land here and studiously avoid us for the most part.)
We have a full faith and credit clause and a supremacy clause in the Constitution that were not observed until FDR. The 14th amendment due process and equal protection clauses also were not applied to the states. We are back to the future.
States are free to experiment, except that there are certain federal mandates that may mean they aren't entitled to federal funding or reimbursement.
The same people who push that brand of federalism are the same who screw the little guy and hate good government. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/supreme-court-halts-montana-campaign-finance-decision
What Mr Solomon said!
On the other hand, here's my 2ȼ! You've hit on something that struck me in studying poli-sci years ago. I think the founders may have had just such a European model in mind - states being independent countries in their own right. I've never seen that stated anywhere, so don't take my word as fact. It's just an impression. Remember, the Articles of Confederation came before The Constitution, and in the Civil War, we fought the Confederacy. I think the confederation principle was more a convenient way for separate, otherwise sovereign (nation) states to conduct trade and provide common defense - much like the EU today. When I was a youngster, I was frequently confounded by the different uses of the word "state." To me, it was always as I understood US states. It tilted me a little when I started hearing different countries referred to as states. Ergo, if state = country, and we are the United States, is the United States a country or what? Of course, that's all rhetorical. I'm just sayin'. It makes my brain hurt if I ponder it too much! LOL!
Thanks, I needed that. My negativity bias has been working overtime.
It was a great week indeed! Let's hope this is just the beginning. Wonderfully uplifting klatch too!
Yea team!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMO72_TF9JY
For Heather's entertainment and Musical Theater education...
Ah Mitzi Gaynor ❤️
She's a pip!
I need to see "Perp walks!" I am being completely serious. There should be a long, long, long line. Even from people, that "we the people" have not even heard of yet. This was/is an almost realized, take-over of our country! And they have managed to still have people working towards that end-those running for office, those monetarily and vocally supporting them all, and anyone who had knowledge of this evil and did not go to the right people to give solid information. I do not believe we should entertain the idea of former VP Pence, even though Trump turned on him, as a candidate for future office. We could also not withstand, at this point, to have election deniers, climate change deniers, those tangled up with questions big money donors. Pence has, at least, some political acumen and had to be aware of some serious, nefarious goings-on. I do not believe he can call the "I never knew" defense because he was in the room, for four LONG years. We also, as a nation abide somehow by the likes of thugs, such as DeSantis! Nikki Haley let South Carolina down in SO many ways-all documented. This is not the Republican Party my parent's believed in. Let in someone in that is Trump-like, power-mad, money-hungry, dictatorial, my way or the highway goons. Yes, goons. I do not say that lightly. There needs to be a cleansing and a reckoning for every single person who is complicit. A great fear is that this way of "being" that was taught so well by Trump has made others realize they can do it also and have the backing of people who think they know better, but absolutely do NOT. We must find a way of counteracting the most base of humanity. They are totally ill-informed, do not even begin to know what our Government really does and does not do, who can do what and who cannot- nothing! They just "feel" that way. Or have bought into the anger and having felt cheated in their own lives, grabbed onto hatred. They are not aware of the truth-they are not aware of the actual issues. And, pardon me, but a lot of people are actually stupid when it comes to real issues, problems and are simply trying to find a "home" where other people who also feel "less than" or cheated out of the life they feel they deserve, gather together and then find themselves with other groups who have the same, dumb and terrifying agendas. And there are also plenty of smart people who think in those ways, too. I believe it is from an attitude of "I can do it-why can't you?" And many with quite some rancor and fervency. Even though many have , shall I say, "comfortable' lifestyles and may be caring people to their families, some pals and some animals, they still have an emotional problem when it comes down to it. And also, so many are simply watching the "wrong" television channel and being with and hanging out with acquaintances, friends, and family who actually believe these stealthy lies. That is sad, because there are many good people who I know myself and care about that watch and believe only these lies, deceit, and so-called "proof." It is hard to be good friends with "Trump-people." The main perp-walk is the one of the orange Cheeto-as someone I love very much- referred to him. I recall seeing that liar and control freak, Jim Baker, perp-walked, still crying, and in handcuffs-they had found him hiding away underneath his sofa! Somehow, although his wife died, he did what bit he had to do and now the children are moving in their parent's stead! Not Good! Think of Trump's children doing that! SAVE our country and deliver our beautiful Earth.
@ts. You are right. I call that person the tangerine twat grabber. But anyway, you describe 3 main demographics in the USA. There is leadership among "them" who are all cynical grifters and apologists for the robber barons. For this service they scrape off their 30 pieces of silver. They are willful traitors to the American cause and they don't believe in democracy. They just want money. They are the same type of running dogs who support Putin, Orban and all the other dictators. Then there are those that are just totally afraid and angry. These poor souls are so frightened their brains can't actually work. They are told that the people they are afraid of are causing all their troubles and they believe it. These are the Faux Noose watchers. The last bunch are the sheep who follow the evil wolves and the fearful ones who are in their communities. Even the preachers in churches are on the take and trying to make more money by repeating the lies and deceptions of the grifter class. No actual followers of Jesus anywhere in sight. Fortunately all of those 3 demographics together are only about one-third of our total population. I like to call this group "the Confederacy!" They are not fighting for cotton anymore, but they ARE fighting for white nationalism because the combined efforts of their "leadership" and Faux Noose have made these people blind as to who is really stealing their money and their opportunities. What real (small "d") democrats need to do is prevent the seizure of the national institutions of our country and prevent those very "democratic institutions" from being turned into weapons of suppression to be used by the moneyed interests, the global, internationalist capitalists and the grifters who are in cahoots trying to take over. That's why they like Orban - that's what he has done in Hungary. In Hungary, people vote, but their votes don't count for anything. In this country our votes still matter. We need to Vote out the Confederacy while we still can!
Well-spotted, those 3 different groups! And may I offer congratulations to your clever branding names. They actually make perfect sense! When one is able to cull down all the disparate groups and their agendas, one would think it gives an opportunity to watch how they "feed off each other"- like the energy vampires they are. If I was alone in a room-or just in a room with anyone like that, I would literally feel the energy draining from my body! They are exhausting! And Orange Cheeto kept me exhausted for years. So thank you and I believe this was a productive beginning of a discussion. Am glad that Robert Reich, who I do still listen carefully to, was "put out there" by Heather Richardson Cox. She is a vital voice and I read her Letter to an American every single day. Thank you, Sir! ts
Superb!!!
There is a serious lack of conscience in this country.People who should (and or did ) know better ALLOWED themselves to be brain infected.I have no idea what his secret sauce is,but ,yes,as George Conway states," he walks people so far over the horizen,they can't find their way back".
It's tough to admit they made a mistake,even to the point of feeling downright stupid and idiotic,but it must be done.They will feel so much better for it.And giving creedence to these extremists does nothing to heal themselves or for our beloved nation.My prayer every day is,Lord please give WISDOM! There's a great deal of it out there ,we just need to use it.A breath of fresh air is out there,just watch!
Willfully allowed! Let them try to say, "Oh, my bad. I made a mistake." and see what idiots they are for thinking we the people and the people of good will and faith have to say to them. They must be called out for what they have done. And are still doing. That is a good prayer and thank you for sharing it. Mine must be this:, "Lord, please let (fill in the many blanks) receive what You know they deserve." That is the best for me to do. I dig your hopefulness and faith! Keep doing that-it is helping- you, others and may you receive some peace of mind, too. :) !
I hope the voter response in Kansas will embolden a similar response for the November elections! I hope the middle section of voters will enjoy asserting their voices! Let's get out there and vote BLUE 🗳 💪
Young and old alike need to know it's not just a midterm,we are fighting for our democracy!!!
We got to put these extremists aside,no place in our beloved nation,EVER!!!
Hope is good.
Volunteering is hope manifested.
You guys are really cute!
Heather looks just like I thought she would :)
America is like a dysfunctional family with a teenager going through a surly goth phase. We're all holding our noses and hoping they grow out of it. I'm pleased to see that Kansas is speaking out with entirely reasonable ideas. If the Robert Taft Ohio Republicans can shove out the punks, maybe we'll be alright. And trust that many people aren't thrilled by going back to the good old days. Heartland women, African-Americans, Hispano-Americans. They don't want a reverse gear on progress.
Even if a few of these folks ARE the "have-yachts."
Too true. We need good new days.
Plenty of them,we didn't need to spend time,energy and money to deal w/ this maniac's mental illness! Let's continue to unblot ourselves in many ways and be a beacon of light to the world!
Okay.
The two Rodgers and Hammerstein lines (two different shows, two different songs, two different lines) are:
“The corn is as high as an elephant’s eye” (from “Oklahoma!”)
“I’m as corny as Kansas in August” (from “South Pacific”)
Terrific music and lyrics by both gentlemen. Doubt there are any elephants in Kansas, where I think the musical “Oklahoma!” begins. Nobody minds.
Let’s get a mansion for Manchin (he probably already has one) and a cinema for Sinema, and hope that both are primaried ASAP.
I still dislike the fossil fuel boosters in the bill. Somebody’ll have to row out to the nearly submerged Kentuckians to explain why they still have to put up with climate change.
And WHAT did the Parliamentarian just do?—Eliminate the medical bill reductions for 180 million people?
There are some people I’d like to send out to some remote isle.
Generally, though, I appreciate the good-humored and well-informed way you both present things.
Alex Jones just showed all Americans the TRUE _rumplican party after his court date: meek, submissive and cowardly. They are NOT "alpha males" despite his incessant growling and foaming. Calling them BETAS is an insult to betas everywhere though. What's below that?
Question: is he going to jail? If not, why not? He committed some serious crimes, why does he get away with only paying money?
The Punitive Damages amount of just over $45mil was not enough! He is "worth" at least $270mil. It was lower than the calculus of the amount Could have been, by law. Jail- do not pass GO. Period. Exclamation point!You are right to question that--I actually thought there was jail time attached. Anyone...?
And under Texas law apparently he might not have to pay all of the money out, as there are limitations designed to disincentivize such suits. Imagine that, in Texas, where I sadly live!
Texas needs an upgrade.My dear brother who passed away lived in Euless.I miss him so,but am super glad he's not subject to all these shenanigans.He was a wise
soul.
Is that so regarding the Texas by-laws? Well, well. And I know that feeling when one knows they are in the incorrect state for their views and beliefs. I am from South Carolina! Okay? SC has proven it is able to go Democratic, however. Like the time the Lottery was on the ballot-to have or not to have-and the Democrat running, Governor Jim Hodges, won. Yes, he supported the Lottery. Otherwise South Carolinians were driving to about 4 other states it touches just to get the tickets. So, we had a Democratic Governor for 4 years! So I will not feel or think any particular way about you living in Texas if you, and others, will grant me the same "break." Every place has it's ups and downs, it's negative and positive qualities. It just seems like some have that in much greater numbers-or-just LOUDER numbers! While I'
m here, please check out Bill McKibbon's well-run organization called the third act.com. It is very impressive and well run. I learned about it through Mandy Patinkin and his wife, actress and writer, Kathryn Grody.. It is the real deal! See what it is about. I highly recommend it. Thanks.
There are some other families also suing him for defamation. They will likely also get compensation and punitive damages. I have read he is hiding some of his money every day, fearing the worst. I think “the worst” is what he absolutely deserves.
That is good information about him hiding away more of his ill-gotten gains. May he have to write every single check himself in the amount of $1.36 until he reaches the first 4.2million $ and then continue. And the other tule would be that he cannot speak, except to Jan. 6 committee, DOJ and anyone else that is in authority who can see the further truths he is hiding, just like "his"money. I think I just said, in a round about way, "A pox on Thy house." Thank you , Carol, for bringing that out!
Okay, re:jail time for A. Jones topic--these first two were Civil cases. With 2 more outstanding. There will be a criminal trial, as far as I can tell. His lawyers accidentally sent the files and phone records, everything, to the lawyers for the Plaintiffs. There were, among a LOT of things to read about-nefarious, vile things that the Jan. 6th Committee will also see, contained "some phone calls with Roger Stone." Everyone is pretty much gagging over that one. It is called good versus evil! Grin-as tremendously undoing for good people, our institutions and the country as a whole, I do find some -almost some-0 comic relief in that boondoggle! Black humor, that is. Still- onwards & upwards.
Good to know there WILL be a criminal trial, at least for perjury if nothing else. I'm sure his lawyers -- oops -- did this on purpose, they had enough of him.
When he was being questioned by that atty.,I could see the worry lines,but actually saw the lying demeanor showing on his mug.
You seem really tuned in! It is kind of music to my ears. It is sad to have to think about people in these terms, however, he did it and we are pointing out what we see and hear. It is called justice and I am impressed with the precision the Jan 6 Committee is using.
Scum.
I appreciate Saturday Coffee Klatch VERY MUCH!
Is it true that the wonderful provisions relating to drug prices in the Inflation Reduction Act will not take effect until 2025 or 2026, and one of the drugs excluded from lowered prices is insulin?
Sorry for not striking up the band yet.
Mark Cuban's Cost Plus Drug Company sells insulin.
Having the same questions!