Assuming Biden has nothing to hide, then if Democrats play this well, it will finally destroy the Republican party.
70% of Americans want higher taxes on the wealthy and on corporations, 70% of Americans want universal healthcare, 70% of Americans want tighter gun controls, 70% of Americans support a woman's right to choose. We are the large majority. We are strong.
For once, let the DNC eschew their corporate sponsors and put forth a platform that appeals to the dog and not the tail, and we will win in a landslide.
I am a former defense attorney. I would NEVER voluntarily take a lie detector test. Too much depends on the questioner’s skill and the emotional makeup of the subject; if I’m telling the truth but worried whether I’m forgetting something or not admitting something that no one asked me about, I suspect there’s a high risk of failing the test.
To me, the real test is whether your client IS WILLING to prove innocence.
What you miss is that you, as defense attorney, could have had your clients tested privately, rather than have the prosecution do it. Higher risk of a false negative than a false positive. Many cases are nol prossed on the basis of tests.
I was an appellate public defender, so I didn’t have the opportunity to have my clients tested. You’ve obliquely brought up an interesting phenomenon: When defense attorneys sit on a jury, they’re often dream jurors for the PROSECUTION — they’ve heard it all. :-)
The FBI and the school at Conyers, Ga, traains profilers and other experts in the field.
Criminal law is mastery of the art of cross examination, starting with certain inconsistencies. The MMPI, for example, has a couple of scales that measure exaggeration. Combine that with psychoneurolgical testing and in certain areas of the law, truth may not be established, but in medical jargon, it can be ruled out, to a reaasonable degree of scientific probablity.
Daniel Solomon: you may be correct about the ability of highly-trained, neutral, forensic psychologists. But I’ll bet my next Social Security check that the people who usually do these tests are not highly-trained or neutral.
IN MY MEMORY regarding several court hearings I sat in on or participated in, judges eventually {on the basis of all that went before them} deemed certain people less credible than others. Usually, I assume those judgments were made on the basis of observing the entirety of what was said, but was there any judgment about HOW things were said?
Demeanor, I mean? That would be subjective, but …. ?
He would pass that because he feels he did nothing wrong and any question to evoke a response from him that sets it off would be quelled by his belief that he is never wrong.
How many murderers have you represented? Ans. none.
Lawyers are sometimes court appointed and can not choose some of their clients. The best thay can often do, in states with a death penalty is ask them to come clean to avoid it. The FBI collects data.
I always thought that the best "lie detectors" were experienced big city police detectives. Liars have a hard time remembering all their "facts". The detectives would ask the same questions over and over, and the liar's response would change a bit each time until their latest response would be significantly different from their first response. The detectives would pounce on the liar's inconsistancies.
You’re 100%. And you know the Real Beauty/Benefit of traveling the High Road and always Telling the Truth? ..... You don’t have to remember what you said Last Time because it’s the same thing that you’re going to say This Time.
Wrong perspective. Most innocent people have nothing to hide. Will submit to questionoing. In civil cases there is no presumption of innocence. Have to submit.
Hate to be a Donnie Downer, but I’ve watched the last 500 yrs of the right rising, or better put, tearing down. In the last 25 alone they’ve taken the presidency by hook and crook, despite minorities of support, and rolled back a near century of social, financial and environmental progress.
It's because the DNC has let them, in large part because of their corporate sponsorship. Either party is OK with the oligarchs who run this country. Bill Clinton did what he was told, Obama did what he was told - even governed to the right of Richard Nixon. Hillary would have done what she was told. Biden isn't following the usual script, so he'll be impeached.
The polls tell a story. In 2016, Sanders led Trump 70-30 in hypothetical matchups, whereas Hillary was 35-35 with 30% undecided. What did the DNC do? Why, they dumped Sanders of course. Political malpractice. Hillary went on to lose an unloseable election.
It’s because of Comey’s last minute investigation ~ right before the election ~ that she lost.
Yet despite ALL the intelligence about the Russian interference and COLLUSION with Trump, that was kept under wraps; there was no “announcement” of an investigation. Comey WAS loyal to Trump after all. Then Trump fired Comey and the DOJ & demanded the investigation be stopped. And it was.
All you are saying is true, and Comey was abject, and yes he did lose her the election. THAT SAID, Hillary was a terrible candidate, should never have been the DNC nominee, and she allowed a total incompetent to get within biting distance and win. Why do so many people equate this dreadful, lying, incompetent with.....competence?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfaxA9Q-9AQ
Sanders would have swept the floor with Trump's orange combover.
Has it occurred to anyone here, that in attacking Biden over his concern for his afflicted - but a bit dodgy - son, the Яepuблиkan$ are publicly demonstrating the nature of their commitment to the very "family values" ideal they like to feign representing ‽ Where's this fatted calf for the prodigal they're supposed to believe in ‽ Where's the unconditional love they always liked preach ‽ Just sayin'.
McCarthy's weak attempt to show loyalty to Trump's agenda by calling for the impeachment of President Biden reflects the need for a courtesy flush in a public rest room to help clear the air because this entire things stinks. Even the Republican party is divided over how they feel about the move. Trump instructed McCarthy to initiate impeachment proceedings in an effort to stir the pot because of the up coming election. "Put doubt in the public's mind" no matter if it fails to reflect even an ounce of truth. Kevin's butt kissing ability pleased Mr. Trump beyond all expectations. An Impeachment effort with no proof of any connection to a crime is a risky endeavor, one that doesn't kiss butts it takes large bites out of them. A quote from the movie Taken, "Good luck."
Mark--It doesn't matter how many times the truth is told we must never stop telling it. I removed the "Key" on my keyboard that was responsible for creating capital letters, because like you I was always using way to many of them. Try it.
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Only if the democrats put real effort to get information out on the major media outlets. Come on dems, come into the modern world of information and get your information out!
The Dems need to step up and show how the Repubs are wasting all this time and money and also show that Biden has nothing to hide. Remind the people of what the Repubs have continually taken from them!
Several of my family members are THEY. Biden is already guilty, because that is what the right wing media tell them. Lost cause. Fortunately there are enough thinking Americans left to cancel out their votes and elect Biden again in 2024.
"Appeals to the Dog & not the Tail.” YES, YES, YES .... Etc. I LKE TOTALLY AGREE. The GOP OWNS the Low Road. Let them keep it. It will grow the largest ruts whenever it rains, and it will never provide a comfortable surface on which to make a Run for Office. Let the Democrats be ALL ABOUT Policies, and maybe not alway giving the Electorate “What It Thought It Wanted," but As Often as Politically possible - "Giving the Electorate What It actually NEEDED.”
I don’t have a firm fix on percentages, but the feeling I’m getting is that we have about 15% to 20% of the Electorate who Are White, not always particularly Well Educated, Drank the Kool-Aid, and carry some burning anger that is not well understood by either themselves or any of the rest of us, but is no less powerful for being “confused & misunderstood.” There’s “something” they can’t always articulate that they “Deserved” and which Life, Politics and/or the Rest of Us “Owed Them” and haven’t yet delivered. We are coming up upon a Tipping Point, and the only strategy for the Sane Among Us is exactly what we’ve been trying to do, and should just keep doing ... i.e. Focus on Policies that focus on the Common Good, Focus on Passing Good Legislation that Delivers Real Benefits to the Majority, and Stick to the High Road. All of which plays to our Strengths. Pass me a glass of wine, please?
Actually I agree. I have to believe that the GOP is now split between those who call themselves “Fiscal Conservatives” and whom I will still call “Selfish, Slightly Misled, but not Actively Cruel” and a growing percentage of the Party who clearly “Drank the KoolAid & disappeared down the Wrong Rabbit Hole.” I tried to tell you Guys that you wanted to follow the Big White Bunny with the stop watch who was just urging you to run faster because we’re almost out of time to fix things, and not the Buffoons waving guns who screamed that they were the ones who knew how to fix things ... Get Out of the Way.
So true, Michael. It really does seem that year-after-year we get politicians who claim they will represent their constituents, but when they get to Washington, almost one do. Unfortunately, a large part of Trump's "charm" was that he seemed to understand the frustration of Americans who suffered because of big business, its off-loading of jobs and factories, and more. Unfortunately, many put their trust in an imbecile who sold them all out and our country to boot.
I hope you're right. But which republican party - the GOP or the GQP - would be destroyed? Do you think the Grand Old Party has enough fiber to remove the GQP from power?
I had to look up GQP. Now that I have, I think the GOP has become the GQP. I would like to think that destruction of the Republican party as we know it would result in a regrouping, a rebranding, and a return to a more civil discourse between the two parties such as existed up until Reagan.
The other possibility, which I think is farfetched, is that we could revisit the Constitution and in particular the institution of President. As far as I can tell, the President is basically a modified version of King George III. In retrospect, it was a mistake, although the framers couldn't have known it at the time, since all the great powers in 1787 had a King. The President has the following kingly powers: 1) The power of veto, 2) The power to raise armies for 60 days without consent, a power George III used to start the American War, and which JFK used to invade Vietnam, 3) The power of Executive Privilege and 4) The power to pardon anyone, including your criminal friends.
This is no accident. Indeed, the only difference between George III and the US President is that the latter has to be elected, and can only serve two terms. The British went on to Disneyfy their royal family, which thereby became vestigial, but Americans are stuck with the institution. Just as George III overstepped his powers and made rash decisions, so have numerous presidents, most notoriously the guy with the orange combover.
It would be so nice to have a representative parliamentary democracy in the US, such as is enjoyed by Canada, the UK, and the Scandinavian countries, but we have to play the hand we have been dealt, and must work to ensure that Trump never again sets foot in the Oval Office.
This means we must recognize that at least 30% of Americans are Q-crazy and will vote for Trump even if he is put in jail, and 70% of us are rational. We can live with that.
If it DOESN'T, then we AMERICANS only have to wait a COUPLE more election cycles. Now that we mined and burned 75%+ of ALL of Earth's fossil fuels, the party OF fossil fuels and nothing else will go down quickly and soon.
That is because of the Citizens United decision (dark money and corporate money) in the (not very) Supreme Court. That is the decision they should have overturned, not Dobbs (abortion ruling).
According to McCarthy’s standards, the investigation is illegal. When the twice impeached former guy was first impeached, McCarthy said that they could not investigate a sitting president without a House vote. I guess, according to him, when the shoe is on the other foot, IOKIYAR.
It was the same when Moscow Mitch said that a President in the last year of his term could not nominate a Supreme Court Justice--until Trump was president.
Who says they won’t shut it down anyway? The Freedom Caucus is salivating over the chance to sow that kind of chaos (and they assume they will find some twisted way to blame it in Biden).
Remember, in Trump's FIRST(!) impeachment, Speaker Pelosi first unilaterally authorized an investigation as a prelude to a possible House-approved inquiry, and Trump's Department of Justice then issued a binding opinion that the DOJ could not enforce any contempt of Congress referrals for non-compliance with Congressional subpoenas unless and until the House voted successfully to authorize an impeachment inquiry. That DOJ opinion is still binding on the DOJ, meaning that without that House vote that McCarthy promised and then promptly reneged on(because he didn't have enough GOP votes) to approve his "inquiry", as a practical matter, there is no viable mechanism available to the House to enforce any Committee subpoenas for witness testimony, documents, etc.. So basically, any and all evidentiary requests emanating from the GOP's sham "inquiry" should be responded to with the practical equivalent of "THE BIRD"!
McCarthy sold his soul to the devil. There are consequences to one’s actions. It will happen. In the mean time, get off the pot and stop wasting tax paper money with rubbish! Let’s get on with the business of helping Americans. This is what they’re getting paid to do!
Lol. Good point. Like that matters, tho. The republicrooks are the party of no holds barred dirty fighting, doesn’t matter what we said or cried about last week, we’re gonna win at any cost, including tearing down the capitol and democracy.
Garland is a wuss and wll not inervene. McCarthy is an eyewitness to Jan 6, and was referred by the prior Congress for comtempt.
More importantly, Biden needs at least 4 House Republicans who will take on McCarthy.
E.G. "Despite general support from House Republicans on impeachment, there have been a few holdouts, including U.S. Rep. Ken Buck of Colorado’s 4th District, who holds membership in the hard-line conservative House Freedom Caucus. In a recent interview with Jen Psaki of MSNBC, Buck said now is not the time to impeach Biden.
“I would guess that there is not a strong connection this point between the evidence on Hunter Biden and evidence connecting the President,” Buck told the network.
Maybe they want to throw so much at President Biden between the continued investigation into his only son (they have been trying to dig up dirt on now going on 6 years for the sole purpose of bringing Biden down), threatening a government shutdown, and now this threat of impeachment, that they hope he withdraws from the race from the overwhelming stress. Or maybe they are hoping to give him a heart attack or stroke.
These are a group of EVIL people without scruples.
The Democratic campaign should splash photos of the journalist that was killed & dismembered on the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia’s order, then a picture of Jared Kushner with the prince, then a picture of $2 billion given to Jared by the prince the day after Trump’s presidency ended. Where is the investigation??
The Democratic Party needs to FIGHT BACK!
Anyone know how we can contact the Democratic campaign to give suggestions?
Absolutely. The republicans have sponsored and in-depth investigation into Hunter Biden, finding no questionable (criminal) relationship with his father. Jared Kushner's actions with the Saudis remain uninvestigated.
How is taking of money on the part of Jared any different than Hunter trailing behind his father at meetings in foreign countries and coming back with money?
Remember Hillary? All they needed was the head of the FBI, Comey, to announce an investigation just before the election. She was ahead by a lot. It defeated her.
A note to our community: I'm having success, when Biden's age comes up with replying, "Biden is a wise old man, who's long life experience has made him extraordinary capable to be effective. His judgment is unparalleled and he knows how to hire and retain the best staff and cabinet." very effective with Asian, Hispanic and East Indian voters.
Diane Baker: Yes! I keep saying that Biden’s appointments are competent and honest. Compare that with tfg. Crooks do not surround themselves with honest people.
MY husband, lovely, honest, and a great person, has a son who is /was just the opposite: drug addict, committed serious crimes. He was jailed. MY husband still loves him. I think it is natural. But to blame Pres. Biden for Hunter's doings, is just plain wrong.
The beauty of it all is that now Jamie Raskin has brought up somebody else's son (in-law). Some criticize that Dems shoulda done this sooner but to my mind this timing is perfect. It juxtaposes the two cases (Jared Kushner vs Hunter Biden) and the differences couldn't be more glaring and just in time for pre-election game-play.
I have no faith in the people of this country. Look who they vote for to represent them! They seem to be so angry and afraid that they will go after anyone including Biden who has stopped the insanity in the white house and brought sanity back to the presidency. It seems the Republicans like theatre rather than getting things done for this country and the people!
Today’s conservatives don’t care about what’s right or wrong. They only care about winning and shaming liberals. The move for an impeachment hearing will accomplish political points for those who care little about our constitutional republic. Just as with Hillary Clinton, the investigation will find NOTHING.
Other: It will force the press to either report the (lack of ) facts supporting Biden's impeachment or continue on their destructive "both-sides-ism" approach to reporting political news, which by any measure should BE the news surrounding this obvious political stunt.
They only push it one way because the republicans constantly cry that they are mistreated by the media and the media always pays attention to their whining.
Poor Kevin😏He has himself caught between the pinching claws of a big ole monster lobster. He is a spineless, hapless man who will be dragged into the “ deep briny depths” by his own lack or morality and conviction. GO DOWN KEVIN!!! See how it looks and feels to be all by yourself, scrambling to keep your head above water, very soon you will be out of a job.
The only people in this equation that should be impeached is McCarthy and his merry band of side show idiots,who don't do anything resembling work,like actually representing their constituents,much like Matt Gaetz doesn't represent the people up here in Northwest Florida.All of them should be kicked out of Congress and competent people elected to replace them.
BTW,I haven't heard that Joe Biden calls up foreign dignitaries trying to bribe them to spill made-up dirt on his adversaries or stirring up any insurrections lately.(According to tfg, apparently those things shouldn't be impeachable offenses anyhoo?)
During the Reagan administration I recall similar juggling exercises by Republican operatives, with the only problem being that evidence was extremely thin on the ground.
Jimmy Carter was impugned on the strength of his unfortunate relative Billy and his unwise product endorsements.
Everybody has some relative they’d just as soon disown.
Mr. Trump simply has more of them, and lacks the sense to grasp the fact.
Kevin McCarthy hasn’t worn a set of balls for as long as I can remember. Initially a bogus Impeachment would be throwing a bone to the Far Right Whackjob contingent of the GOP, but as the real story of what Trump’s minions did on January 6th and subsequent crusades becomes more and more visible & , and as the useless spinning of wheels in service of politics rather than policy becomes ever more obvious, obviously more destructive ... and as the Far Right’s antics & bad political theatre become ever more irritating .... the attraction will wear off.
At some point - and yes I once believed that it would “sooner” than it obviously will be - the middle of the country will have HAD ENOUGH of posturing, toddler temper tantrums & “Political Theatre” ... and step back into some semblance of sanity and a desire for productive legislation & governance that will create real, positive & beneficial change.
We have a serious problem with our Economy, and it’s not Biden failing to do what the Whack Jobs on the Right are demanding, but rather that which we are not yet doing, and of what the 1% is terrified will happen, i.e. a comprehensive and JUST redesign of our tax codes - federal & state. We need to begin to tax the 1% on how games they play and how their “income” really works, i.e. they borrow against their stock portfolios, and therefore never need to cash out those portfolios, and therefore ... never incur any tax obligations on the “income” on which they are living ... quite remarkably well I would say?
And to the weak bleatings of “persecution,” and “unfair,” and “etc.,” and I call B.S. I would say ... well “Pound Sand?” There are alternative ways in which to phrase my message back to the Uber Rich in which I attempt to convey my (limited) sympathy, but I will try to remember my late mother’s wish that I speak more like a Lady ... and just go with “Pound Sand.”
Time for a Radical Redesign of our tax codes to generate the the money that we need to reconfigure our Productive Economy, and make our tax codes FAIR to all citizens of this country. But, if I have to choose the constituency I would most like to reward for its participation - it would be those That WORK FOR A LIVING, and provide Goods & Services that are important to the well being of ALL OF US. In Solidarity ... ME
If 2020 is any indication, 2024, ultimately, will be decided by a narrow margin who reside in a handful of battleground states and who don’t give a damn about Hunter Biden and the House impeachment inquiry, but, instead, care about their own lives.
Therese, Because we can’t be certain how the 40,000, give or take, from Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin that decided 2020 will vote in 2024, I submit we must bank on the one factor over which we have the most control—our engagement, our energy, our caring, and our work, particularly in battleground states.
Thom Hartmann Newsletter:The fact is that presidential elections, which are often decided by just a few points or less, can be won if a candidate can simply shave those few points off their opponents’ tally. And that can be done by discouraging base voters about a candidate and thus suppressing turnout, or simply souring swing voters on that candidate.
This strategy worked for Republicans in 2004 against John Kerry and again in 2016 against Hillary Clinton; we can fully expect them to play it out now. Particularly if Democrats once again respond by trying to ignore it and wrongly assume people will realize how absurd it is.
Slander campaigns like this must instead be hit head-on with outrage and ferocity: Democrats need to take this seriously.
Eadie, Because I believe that to win, one must disqualify her or his opponent. Hence,, I agree we must press Democrats to “hit head-on with outrage and ferocity.” Still, I believe the critical work of everyday people is to accelerate postcarding, letter writing, phone- and text banking, canvassing, and the like.
When will the Dems spend some $ to hire a top notch advertising firm that can create at least an eye catching sandwich board for touting the Biden admin's accomplishments!?
How about just a normal guy/gal workers can relate to talking about the kitchen table economics and accomplishments on the talk shows? Who is the DNC Chair? He/she has got to go.
They have 'investigated' Hunter Biden for five years, haven't they? It is so obvious that tRump is pulling the puppet strings of the pathetic, illegitimate Speaker and Congress to distract, and deflect from his own obvious criminality. As an Independent, I have had it with this NAZI wanna be, and his fake 'Congress'.
Laurie Blair, Are there no guardrails around Congressional investigations? Has anyone totaled the tax dollars spent on the incessant and useless spending of our tax dollars for political performance? I suspect that money could have bought a ton of school lunches.
Marge Wherley ; Especially when there is no credible evidence; Just frivolity and a desire to do mischief! The 'anti weaponization " cult uses power they do not deserve to make political attacks and generate propaganda.
Assuming Biden has nothing to hide, then if Democrats play this well, it will finally destroy the Republican party.
70% of Americans want higher taxes on the wealthy and on corporations, 70% of Americans want universal healthcare, 70% of Americans want tighter gun controls, 70% of Americans support a woman's right to choose. We are the large majority. We are strong.
For once, let the DNC eschew their corporate sponsors and put forth a platform that appeals to the dog and not the tail, and we will win in a landslide.
"Assuming Biden has nothing to hide,...."
Innocent people wlll voluntarily take a lie detector test. Learned this from my ol' pappy, a lifetime prosecutor.
I am a former defense attorney. I would NEVER voluntarily take a lie detector test. Too much depends on the questioner’s skill and the emotional makeup of the subject; if I’m telling the truth but worried whether I’m forgetting something or not admitting something that no one asked me about, I suspect there’s a high risk of failing the test.
To me, the real test is whether your client IS WILLING to prove innocence.
What you miss is that you, as defense attorney, could have had your clients tested privately, rather than have the prosecution do it. Higher risk of a false negative than a false positive. Many cases are nol prossed on the basis of tests.
You should know better. In our country you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. You aren't required to prove your innocence.
NOBODY, especially me said that. VOLUNTARY.!!!!!
I think there are jurisdictions where the results of a lie detector test aren’t admissible.
I was an appellate public defender, so I didn’t have the opportunity to have my clients tested. You’ve obliquely brought up an interesting phenomenon: When defense attorneys sit on a jury, they’re often dream jurors for the PROSECUTION — they’ve heard it all. :-)
So... posttrial how often is the best defense incompetence of counsel?
I was a judge for 30 years. You have no (0.00) clue.
Demeanor evidence is statisically valid. Departments of psychology offer degrees in forensic psychology. https://www.apa.org/ed/graduate/specialize/forensic#:~:text=Forensic%20psychology%20is%20a%20specialty,the%20judicial%20and%20legal%20systems.
The FBI and the school at Conyers, Ga, traains profilers and other experts in the field.
Criminal law is mastery of the art of cross examination, starting with certain inconsistencies. The MMPI, for example, has a couple of scales that measure exaggeration. Combine that with psychoneurolgical testing and in certain areas of the law, truth may not be established, but in medical jargon, it can be ruled out, to a reaasonable degree of scientific probablity.
Whew! As a lawyer, I'm glad neither my clients nor myself appeared before this "judge." Sounds awful judge-y.
Lie detector tests are B.S.
Why don’t we just try to see any “evidence” oh yea, there isn’t any … months on months on months … nada
Daniel Solomon: you may be correct about the ability of highly-trained, neutral, forensic psychologists. But I’ll bet my next Social Security check that the people who usually do these tests are not highly-trained or neutral.
IN MY MEMORY regarding several court hearings I sat in on or participated in, judges eventually {on the basis of all that went before them} deemed certain people less credible than others. Usually, I assume those judgments were made on the basis of observing the entirety of what was said, but was there any judgment about HOW things were said?
Demeanor, I mean? That would be subjective, but …. ?
Cheers and kudos to you Janet
Well then, have Trump take the test first about his involvement with insurrection
He would pass that because he feels he did nothing wrong and any question to evoke a response from him that sets it off would be quelled by his belief that he is never wrong.
There will be no lie detector tests for President Biden, his kid or the former.
How did this discussion get to this place? Ba duh
Just demand that Trump take the MMPI before Biden takes a lie detector test.
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Oy.
Sounds like the kind of thing prosecutors like to believe.
In my experience, it works.
How many murderers have you represented? Ans. none.
Lawyers are sometimes court appointed and can not choose some of their clients. The best thay can often do, in states with a death penalty is ask them to come clean to avoid it. The FBI collects data.
I always thought that the best "lie detectors" were experienced big city police detectives. Liars have a hard time remembering all their "facts". The detectives would ask the same questions over and over, and the liar's response would change a bit each time until their latest response would be significantly different from their first response. The detectives would pounce on the liar's inconsistancies.
You’re 100%. And you know the Real Beauty/Benefit of traveling the High Road and always Telling the Truth? ..... You don’t have to remember what you said Last Time because it’s the same thing that you’re going to say This Time.
I would think that some evidence would need to come first and then (maybe) require that Biden take a lie detector test. I've yet to see any evidence.
Nobody shoutd REQUIRE it. VOLUNTARY.
Wrong perspective. Most innocent people have nothing to hide. Will submit to questionoing. In civil cases there is no presumption of innocence. Have to submit.
If a criminal defendant wants to cut off an investigation, makes a proffer. In federal prosecutions when a case goes to trial, DOJ wins 96% of the time. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/06/14/fewer-than-1-of-defendants-in-federal-criminal-cases-were-acquitted-in-2022/
Actuually, BTW, modern tests are about 90% valid.
Sure hope you’re correct.
Hate to be a Donnie Downer, but I’ve watched the last 500 yrs of the right rising, or better put, tearing down. In the last 25 alone they’ve taken the presidency by hook and crook, despite minorities of support, and rolled back a near century of social, financial and environmental progress.
It's because the DNC has let them, in large part because of their corporate sponsorship. Either party is OK with the oligarchs who run this country. Bill Clinton did what he was told, Obama did what he was told - even governed to the right of Richard Nixon. Hillary would have done what she was told. Biden isn't following the usual script, so he'll be impeached.
The polls tell a story. In 2016, Sanders led Trump 70-30 in hypothetical matchups, whereas Hillary was 35-35 with 30% undecided. What did the DNC do? Why, they dumped Sanders of course. Political malpractice. Hillary went on to lose an unloseable election.
Hillary was winning.
It’s because of Comey’s last minute investigation ~ right before the election ~ that she lost.
Yet despite ALL the intelligence about the Russian interference and COLLUSION with Trump, that was kept under wraps; there was no “announcement” of an investigation. Comey WAS loyal to Trump after all. Then Trump fired Comey and the DOJ & demanded the investigation be stopped. And it was.
Marlo:
All you are saying is true, and Comey was abject, and yes he did lose her the election. THAT SAID, Hillary was a terrible candidate, should never have been the DNC nominee, and she allowed a total incompetent to get within biting distance and win. Why do so many people equate this dreadful, lying, incompetent with.....competence?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfaxA9Q-9AQ
Sanders would have swept the floor with Trump's orange combover.
50. Not 500.
Has it occurred to anyone here, that in attacking Biden over his concern for his afflicted - but a bit dodgy - son, the Яepuблиkan$ are publicly demonstrating the nature of their commitment to the very "family values" ideal they like to feign representing ‽ Where's this fatted calf for the prodigal they're supposed to believe in ‽ Where's the unconditional love they always liked preach ‽ Just sayin'.
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McCarthy's weak attempt to show loyalty to Trump's agenda by calling for the impeachment of President Biden reflects the need for a courtesy flush in a public rest room to help clear the air because this entire things stinks. Even the Republican party is divided over how they feel about the move. Trump instructed McCarthy to initiate impeachment proceedings in an effort to stir the pot because of the up coming election. "Put doubt in the public's mind" no matter if it fails to reflect even an ounce of truth. Kevin's butt kissing ability pleased Mr. Trump beyond all expectations. An Impeachment effort with no proof of any connection to a crime is a risky endeavor, one that doesn't kiss butts it takes large bites out of them. A quote from the movie Taken, "Good luck."
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Mark--It doesn't matter how many times the truth is told we must never stop telling it. I removed the "Key" on my keyboard that was responsible for creating capital letters, because like you I was always using way to many of them. Try it.
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If I would have spelled the President's name correctly this might have sounded better. It's Biden not Boden, sorry its early.
Where did the 3 dots go next to "Reply" that allowed you to make corrections after the fact. Please bring them back!
They are there! Look to just below your comment on the far right.
Tim--They are gone, what is in their place is the word "share."
Sometimes capability to edit doesn't show up exactly when you type the text. Sometimes the edit dot shows up later after you've already posted. Sometimes you are only given delete dots. Maybe it's just happening to you and me! 🙃
dnkarr--Why us? After my stroke spelling and grammar don't exactly see things my way. Like the sweet little girl from Mamma Mia that said Dot-dot-dot, where are they?
Only if the democrats put real effort to get information out on the major media outlets. Come on dems, come into the modern world of information and get your information out!
The Dems need to step up and show how the Repubs are wasting all this time and money and also show that Biden has nothing to hide. Remind the people of what the Repubs have continually taken from them!
We only wish!! Do not forget that THEY voted for a trump.
Several of my family members are THEY. Biden is already guilty, because that is what the right wing media tell them. Lost cause. Fortunately there are enough thinking Americans left to cancel out their votes and elect Biden again in 2024.
"Appeals to the Dog & not the Tail.” YES, YES, YES .... Etc. I LKE TOTALLY AGREE. The GOP OWNS the Low Road. Let them keep it. It will grow the largest ruts whenever it rains, and it will never provide a comfortable surface on which to make a Run for Office. Let the Democrats be ALL ABOUT Policies, and maybe not alway giving the Electorate “What It Thought It Wanted," but As Often as Politically possible - "Giving the Electorate What It actually NEEDED.”
I don’t have a firm fix on percentages, but the feeling I’m getting is that we have about 15% to 20% of the Electorate who Are White, not always particularly Well Educated, Drank the Kool-Aid, and carry some burning anger that is not well understood by either themselves or any of the rest of us, but is no less powerful for being “confused & misunderstood.” There’s “something” they can’t always articulate that they “Deserved” and which Life, Politics and/or the Rest of Us “Owed Them” and haven’t yet delivered. We are coming up upon a Tipping Point, and the only strategy for the Sane Among Us is exactly what we’ve been trying to do, and should just keep doing ... i.e. Focus on Policies that focus on the Common Good, Focus on Passing Good Legislation that Delivers Real Benefits to the Majority, and Stick to the High Road. All of which plays to our Strengths. Pass me a glass of wine, please?
Actually I agree. I have to believe that the GOP is now split between those who call themselves “Fiscal Conservatives” and whom I will still call “Selfish, Slightly Misled, but not Actively Cruel” and a growing percentage of the Party who clearly “Drank the KoolAid & disappeared down the Wrong Rabbit Hole.” I tried to tell you Guys that you wanted to follow the Big White Bunny with the stop watch who was just urging you to run faster because we’re almost out of time to fix things, and not the Buffoons waving guns who screamed that they were the ones who knew how to fix things ... Get Out of the Way.
So true, Michael. It really does seem that year-after-year we get politicians who claim they will represent their constituents, but when they get to Washington, almost one do. Unfortunately, a large part of Trump's "charm" was that he seemed to understand the frustration of Americans who suffered because of big business, its off-loading of jobs and factories, and more. Unfortunately, many put their trust in an imbecile who sold them all out and our country to boot.
I agree -eschew their (DNC) corporate sponsors-only if they can bring themselves to let go of the tantalizing benefits in such a short time.
The "republican party" is already destroyed. They just need to lie down. Hopefully, another party with a desire to work for Americans will emerge.
I hope you're right. But which republican party - the GOP or the GQP - would be destroyed? Do you think the Grand Old Party has enough fiber to remove the GQP from power?
I had to look up GQP. Now that I have, I think the GOP has become the GQP. I would like to think that destruction of the Republican party as we know it would result in a regrouping, a rebranding, and a return to a more civil discourse between the two parties such as existed up until Reagan.
The other possibility, which I think is farfetched, is that we could revisit the Constitution and in particular the institution of President. As far as I can tell, the President is basically a modified version of King George III. In retrospect, it was a mistake, although the framers couldn't have known it at the time, since all the great powers in 1787 had a King. The President has the following kingly powers: 1) The power of veto, 2) The power to raise armies for 60 days without consent, a power George III used to start the American War, and which JFK used to invade Vietnam, 3) The power of Executive Privilege and 4) The power to pardon anyone, including your criminal friends.
This is no accident. Indeed, the only difference between George III and the US President is that the latter has to be elected, and can only serve two terms. The British went on to Disneyfy their royal family, which thereby became vestigial, but Americans are stuck with the institution. Just as George III overstepped his powers and made rash decisions, so have numerous presidents, most notoriously the guy with the orange combover.
It would be so nice to have a representative parliamentary democracy in the US, such as is enjoyed by Canada, the UK, and the Scandinavian countries, but we have to play the hand we have been dealt, and must work to ensure that Trump never again sets foot in the Oval Office.
This means we must recognize that at least 30% of Americans are Q-crazy and will vote for Trump even if he is put in jail, and 70% of us are rational. We can live with that.
If destroyed, it will just re-congeal under another name. After all, a lot of them were once Silent Majority democrats ..
If it DOESN'T, then we AMERICANS only have to wait a COUPLE more election cycles. Now that we mined and burned 75%+ of ALL of Earth's fossil fuels, the party OF fossil fuels and nothing else will go down quickly and soon.
If you don't have corporate sponsors you lose.
That is because of the Citizens United decision (dark money and corporate money) in the (not very) Supreme Court. That is the decision they should have overturned, not Dobbs (abortion ruling).
According to McCarthy’s standards, the investigation is illegal. When the twice impeached former guy was first impeached, McCarthy said that they could not investigate a sitting president without a House vote. I guess, according to him, when the shoe is on the other foot, IOKIYAR.
It was the same when Moscow Mitch said that a President in the last year of his term could not nominate a Supreme Court Justice--until Trump was president.
McCarthy has standards? I don't see much evidence of that.
McCarthy's only standard is wanting to play Speaker of the House and get to bang the gavel
McCarthy fears House Freedom Caucus threats of a shutdown re a critical Sept. 30 deadline to defund the government..
Who says they won’t shut it down anyway? The Freedom Caucus is salivating over the chance to sow that kind of chaos (and they assume they will find some twisted way to blame it in Biden).
Susan Hall, child's play.
McCarthy is a whichever-way-the-wind blows set of values.
Remember, in Trump's FIRST(!) impeachment, Speaker Pelosi first unilaterally authorized an investigation as a prelude to a possible House-approved inquiry, and Trump's Department of Justice then issued a binding opinion that the DOJ could not enforce any contempt of Congress referrals for non-compliance with Congressional subpoenas unless and until the House voted successfully to authorize an impeachment inquiry. That DOJ opinion is still binding on the DOJ, meaning that without that House vote that McCarthy promised and then promptly reneged on(because he didn't have enough GOP votes) to approve his "inquiry", as a practical matter, there is no viable mechanism available to the House to enforce any Committee subpoenas for witness testimony, documents, etc.. So basically, any and all evidentiary requests emanating from the GOP's sham "inquiry" should be responded to with the practical equivalent of "THE BIRD"!
Who can stop the inquiry? They aren’t following their own rules they imparted in 2020 to have a full vote before allowing an impeachment inquiry!
Rocco Rizzo : McCarthy also said that tRump was guilty of inciting the mob to attack the Capitol, and should have called on the rioters to stop.
The Democratic campaign should play that on TV over and over,
What the devil is THAT acronym? Speak the English language PLEASE!
IOKIYAR = it’s ok if you are Republicon
Thank you for the clarification! I spent a few minutes here trying to figure out your code.
McCarthy sold his soul to the devil. There are consequences to one’s actions. It will happen. In the mean time, get off the pot and stop wasting tax paper money with rubbish! Let’s get on with the business of helping Americans. This is what they’re getting paid to do!
Lol. Good point. Like that matters, tho. The republicrooks are the party of no holds barred dirty fighting, doesn’t matter what we said or cried about last week, we’re gonna win at any cost, including tearing down the capitol and democracy.
Got it, thank you!
Garland is a wuss and wll not inervene. McCarthy is an eyewitness to Jan 6, and was referred by the prior Congress for comtempt.
More importantly, Biden needs at least 4 House Republicans who will take on McCarthy.
E.G. "Despite general support from House Republicans on impeachment, there have been a few holdouts, including U.S. Rep. Ken Buck of Colorado’s 4th District, who holds membership in the hard-line conservative House Freedom Caucus. In a recent interview with Jen Psaki of MSNBC, Buck said now is not the time to impeach Biden.
“I would guess that there is not a strong connection this point between the evidence on Hunter Biden and evidence connecting the President,” Buck told the network.
Instead, he said that the focus should be on “important issues” mentioning urban crime, the border, and inflation." https://www.the-journal.com/articles/colorado-gop-representatives-hold-split-opinions-on-the-biden-impeachment-inquiry/
Alternatively, Democratic House members should demand a House impeachment vote, and if denied, walk out.
Maybe they want to throw so much at President Biden between the continued investigation into his only son (they have been trying to dig up dirt on now going on 6 years for the sole purpose of bringing Biden down), threatening a government shutdown, and now this threat of impeachment, that they hope he withdraws from the race from the overwhelming stress. Or maybe they are hoping to give him a heart attack or stroke.
These are a group of EVIL people without scruples.
Of course.
IMHO they have been engaged in obstruction of justce and should have been investigated for collusion with Trump. .
They should , at a minimum, have lost their seats!
The Democratic campaign should splash photos of the journalist that was killed & dismembered on the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia’s order, then a picture of Jared Kushner with the prince, then a picture of $2 billion given to Jared by the prince the day after Trump’s presidency ended. Where is the investigation??
The Democratic Party needs to FIGHT BACK!
Anyone know how we can contact the Democratic campaign to give suggestions?
Absolutely. The republicans have sponsored and in-depth investigation into Hunter Biden, finding no questionable (criminal) relationship with his father. Jared Kushner's actions with the Saudis remain uninvestigated.
How is taking of money on the part of Jared any different than Hunter trailing behind his father at meetings in foreign countries and coming back with money?
Exactly. They are not following their oath of office!
GOP = Grumpy Obstructionist Party
Oh I like that last line, especially.
I would encourage everyone to contact their representatives and voice their opinion.
All that says then is that they can't subpoena a President without a vote.
Remember Hillary? All they needed was the head of the FBI, Comey, to announce an investigation just before the election. She was ahead by a lot. It defeated her.
A note to our community: I'm having success, when Biden's age comes up with replying, "Biden is a wise old man, who's long life experience has made him extraordinary capable to be effective. His judgment is unparalleled and he knows how to hire and retain the best staff and cabinet." very effective with Asian, Hispanic and East Indian voters.
Diane Baker, keep up the good work!
Effective with any voter no matter their nationality.
Diane Baker: Yes! I keep saying that Biden’s appointments are competent and honest. Compare that with tfg. Crooks do not surround themselves with honest people.
MY husband, lovely, honest, and a great person, has a son who is /was just the opposite: drug addict, committed serious crimes. He was jailed. MY husband still loves him. I think it is natural. But to blame Pres. Biden for Hunter's doings, is just plain wrong.
Eva Foreman
Eve; Wrong and also not Christian. They site Adam and Eve going astray.
The beauty of it all is that now Jamie Raskin has brought up somebody else's son (in-law). Some criticize that Dems shoulda done this sooner but to my mind this timing is perfect. It juxtaposes the two cases (Jared Kushner vs Hunter Biden) and the differences couldn't be more glaring and just in time for pre-election game-play.
I have no faith in the people of this country. Look who they vote for to represent them! They seem to be so angry and afraid that they will go after anyone including Biden who has stopped the insanity in the white house and brought sanity back to the presidency. It seems the Republicans like theatre rather than getting things done for this country and the people!
Today’s conservatives don’t care about what’s right or wrong. They only care about winning and shaming liberals. The move for an impeachment hearing will accomplish political points for those who care little about our constitutional republic. Just as with Hillary Clinton, the investigation will find NOTHING.
Other: It will force the press to either report the (lack of ) facts supporting Biden's impeachment or continue on their destructive "both-sides-ism" approach to reporting political news, which by any measure should BE the news surrounding this obvious political stunt.
If they were actually pushing “both-sides-ism” they would be pushing for investigation into Kushner too but they aren’t.
They only push it one way because the republicans constantly cry that they are mistreated by the media and the media always pays attention to their whining.
You've made an excellent point.
Absolutely!
Agree completely.
Poor Kevin😏He has himself caught between the pinching claws of a big ole monster lobster. He is a spineless, hapless man who will be dragged into the “ deep briny depths” by his own lack or morality and conviction. GO DOWN KEVIN!!! See how it looks and feels to be all by yourself, scrambling to keep your head above water, very soon you will be out of a job.
The only people in this equation that should be impeached is McCarthy and his merry band of side show idiots,who don't do anything resembling work,like actually representing their constituents,much like Matt Gaetz doesn't represent the people up here in Northwest Florida.All of them should be kicked out of Congress and competent people elected to replace them.
BTW,I haven't heard that Joe Biden calls up foreign dignitaries trying to bribe them to spill made-up dirt on his adversaries or stirring up any insurrections lately.(According to tfg, apparently those things shouldn't be impeachable offenses anyhoo?)
No, it's true. These _are_ allegations. Baseless allegations. The Republicans are nothing but a pack of viscous allegators.
Great pun!
During the Reagan administration I recall similar juggling exercises by Republican operatives, with the only problem being that evidence was extremely thin on the ground.
Jimmy Carter was impugned on the strength of his unfortunate relative Billy and his unwise product endorsements.
Everybody has some relative they’d just as soon disown.
Mr. Trump simply has more of them, and lacks the sense to grasp the fact.
Kevin McCarthy hasn’t worn a set of balls for as long as I can remember. Initially a bogus Impeachment would be throwing a bone to the Far Right Whackjob contingent of the GOP, but as the real story of what Trump’s minions did on January 6th and subsequent crusades becomes more and more visible & , and as the useless spinning of wheels in service of politics rather than policy becomes ever more obvious, obviously more destructive ... and as the Far Right’s antics & bad political theatre become ever more irritating .... the attraction will wear off.
At some point - and yes I once believed that it would “sooner” than it obviously will be - the middle of the country will have HAD ENOUGH of posturing, toddler temper tantrums & “Political Theatre” ... and step back into some semblance of sanity and a desire for productive legislation & governance that will create real, positive & beneficial change.
We have a serious problem with our Economy, and it’s not Biden failing to do what the Whack Jobs on the Right are demanding, but rather that which we are not yet doing, and of what the 1% is terrified will happen, i.e. a comprehensive and JUST redesign of our tax codes - federal & state. We need to begin to tax the 1% on how games they play and how their “income” really works, i.e. they borrow against their stock portfolios, and therefore never need to cash out those portfolios, and therefore ... never incur any tax obligations on the “income” on which they are living ... quite remarkably well I would say?
And to the weak bleatings of “persecution,” and “unfair,” and “etc.,” and I call B.S. I would say ... well “Pound Sand?” There are alternative ways in which to phrase my message back to the Uber Rich in which I attempt to convey my (limited) sympathy, but I will try to remember my late mother’s wish that I speak more like a Lady ... and just go with “Pound Sand.”
Time for a Radical Redesign of our tax codes to generate the the money that we need to reconfigure our Productive Economy, and make our tax codes FAIR to all citizens of this country. But, if I have to choose the constituency I would most like to reward for its participation - it would be those That WORK FOR A LIVING, and provide Goods & Services that are important to the well being of ALL OF US. In Solidarity ... ME
I just takes a small percentage of converts to undermine Trump.
If 2020 is any indication, 2024, ultimately, will be decided by a narrow margin who reside in a handful of battleground states and who don’t give a damn about Hunter Biden and the House impeachment inquiry, but, instead, care about their own lives.
Hoping.
Therese, Because we can’t be certain how the 40,000, give or take, from Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin that decided 2020 will vote in 2024, I submit we must bank on the one factor over which we have the most control—our engagement, our energy, our caring, and our work, particularly in battleground states.
Thom Hartmann Newsletter:The fact is that presidential elections, which are often decided by just a few points or less, can be won if a candidate can simply shave those few points off their opponents’ tally. And that can be done by discouraging base voters about a candidate and thus suppressing turnout, or simply souring swing voters on that candidate.
This strategy worked for Republicans in 2004 against John Kerry and again in 2016 against Hillary Clinton; we can fully expect them to play it out now. Particularly if Democrats once again respond by trying to ignore it and wrongly assume people will realize how absurd it is.
Slander campaigns like this must instead be hit head-on with outrage and ferocity: Democrats need to take this seriously.
Eadie, Because I believe that to win, one must disqualify her or his opponent. Hence,, I agree we must press Democrats to “hit head-on with outrage and ferocity.” Still, I believe the critical work of everyday people is to accelerate postcarding, letter writing, phone- and text banking, canvassing, and the like.
When will the Dems spend some $ to hire a top notch advertising firm that can create at least an eye catching sandwich board for touting the Biden admin's accomplishments!?
How about just a normal guy/gal workers can relate to talking about the kitchen table economics and accomplishments on the talk shows? Who is the DNC Chair? He/she has got to go.
Agreed. When was the last time Jaime Harrison was seen? Anywhere?
YES
They have 'investigated' Hunter Biden for five years, haven't they? It is so obvious that tRump is pulling the puppet strings of the pathetic, illegitimate Speaker and Congress to distract, and deflect from his own obvious criminality. As an Independent, I have had it with this NAZI wanna be, and his fake 'Congress'.
Laurie Blair, Are there no guardrails around Congressional investigations? Has anyone totaled the tax dollars spent on the incessant and useless spending of our tax dollars for political performance? I suspect that money could have bought a ton of school lunches.
Marge Wherley ; Especially when there is no credible evidence; Just frivolity and a desire to do mischief! The 'anti weaponization " cult uses power they do not deserve to make political attacks and generate propaganda.