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I think this is chilling stuff. We should be very alarmed. I live in the UK, which, I fear, would follow the lead of the U.S. were this to happen. The 'International Dictator Club' is always open to new members! We are sleepwalking into this and the Climate Emergency. What will our descendents say about us?

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Jul 20, 2023Liked by Robert Reich

This is an attempted replay of 1930s Germany. Prevent the spread!

Help get out the BLUE vote.

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Yes, it is. Quite early during the Trump administration I predicted Trump would try to stay in power any way he could. It was his attitude towards dictators -- his obsequious deference to Putin (I called him "the Siberian Candidate" almost from the beginning), his open admiration for Xi ("wish I could be President for Life, too"), his "love affair" with Kim Jong Un (expressing his desire that Americans obediently rise & applaud Trump the way North Koreans do for KJU), & his tight connections with the Saudis & assisting MBS with his coverup of the Khashoggi murder -- his penchant for shutting down the government, his obstruction of the Mueller investigation, his capricious firing of members of his administration & installing unqualified people who would toe the line, attempts to undermine the 2020 elections & sowing doubt about the results, & various other authoritarian tendencies.

The insurrection against the Capitol was predictable. The only thing that I predicted that didn't come to pass was his declaration of martial law, but he was clearly contemplating it (Flynn urged him to do that). Apparently he chickened out at the last moment. I could see parallels between the GOP & German Nazis of the 1930s early on.

I am heartened that political commentators like Robert Reich & Thom Hartmann have caught on & been warning about the imminent danger to what's left of our democracy by Trump & the GOP, but most other journalists & politicians have been lagging woefully behind, still treating it like normal disputes between parties, & many journalists & media organizations are complicit. So are (& probably more so than any other entity aside from the GOP) the billionaire corporate donors that are pulling the strings in this corporatocracy. Russia has contributed substantially to our current political instability, too.

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Unfortunately the media is perpetuating Trump and his supporters. Yesterday on the news (NBC) they seemed to be sympathizing with one of the fake electors stating she was 70 and would die in prison. Unbelievable! Here people did die because of the insurrection, what about sympathy for those people?

The media should not be slanting their reporting so as to give sympathy to criminals. Those 16 fake electors knew what they were doing and should suffer the consequences.

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NY Times-- for one-- put a story the other day that simply reports on what Trump (and Republicans') plans are: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/us/politics/trump-plans-2025.html

When they tell you who they are, vote them out.

This story shows it's not just Trump-- there is a machine of people supporting the fascist-- er, I mean, "unitary executive theory"; Trump is just a vehicle; we can reasonably expect another Republican to espouse it as well.

This time, because of the almost 40% of NON-VOTING ELECTORATE, you'll have to do more: help get the BLUE VOTE out.

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The challenge is how do we help those who don't follow politics, or those who just get sound bites, or those who have some sense for what's going on but don't vote SEE WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING so they WILL vote? It'd be important anyway, but with the potential of a third party to siphon off critical votes the challenge is even greater. The abortion issue has captured the attention of the majority of us -- possibly build on that, since it is represents only the beginning of what's about to go down if the fascists "win"??

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Chilling story

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So sick of the media misleading … poor her …. It was her choice that has consequences…

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Why can't they just report who-what-where-when-why, instead of wallowing in opinionism like everyone else... Oh! I know why!! Opinions garner clicks!! and the right-leaning owners just want to bury the truth and go for clicks/$$$.

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If she is not too old to do the crime...she's not too old do the time!!!

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Republicans are law breakers and they think that they should not face any consequences. They keep breaking more and more laws every day. With Republicans politicians in power, the democrats are having a hard time putting them in jail.

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Jul 22, 2023·edited Jul 22, 2023

I don't understand why this is unless the House and Supreme Court still exert too much overall control. What the hell is the Justice Department doing?

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Agreed. If a person wishes to participate in an egregious crime, perhaps they should consider the potential consequences ahead of time. In this and many other cases of crazy schemes now being prosecuted, I keep wondering: WTF were these people thinking?!

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They all drank the “Trump administered Kool Aide” filled with his poisonous LIES.

He told them he won the election. They believed him. He told them he would fight with them at the Capitol. They believed him. He told them the DOJ and the Democrats were on a “witch hunt” to destroy him politically. They believed him. He told him ‘I did not commit adultery with all those women; I didn’t rape anyone; I didn’t collude with Russia to win the election; none of my indicted cabinet members did anything wrong; I didn’t take and keep classified documents; I will lower your taxes, and I believe in abortion’ (after gloating that he was responsible for the Roe vs Wade being overturned). They believed him.

He is on record as the MOST notorious LIAR of all the presidents, and yet they continue to believe him.

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You are right. They took him at his word. But he is a con man with a long, well established history and reputation for lying & grifting. It is amazing to me how willingly these people allow themselves to be manipulated. They must be very naive, ill informed or willfully ignorant. They seem incapable of critical thinking, and that is sad.

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Same psychological type as Putin. Specifically, Drumpf's body language and facial expressions are not those of a liar (at least to me). That's because he believes whatever he says at the moment. But we know he's lying because we know how to analyze statements and research facts. Those of us with at least a little education have a highly developed Lingual Pollution Detector that ferrets out the Drumpf personality.

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"Most notorious" of ALL LIARS, anywhere, OF ALL TIME, NOT just of all of the presidents. ;)

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It's a cult of mind control,there's a book'The Cult of Trump',the author is sharing it and training clinicians how to deprogram folks.It can be done,Gave alot of hope .

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Just like Boris Johnson!

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I think that Trump may have a little difficulty with the abortion issue in the general election. Many of the right-wing Evangelical and Catholic voters were essentially single-issue voters. Now, if they don't follow politics too closely, they may still vote for him, presuming that he is still "pro-life." Some of them may be aware that he is now the best, greatest, most pro-choice candidate there ever was and still vote for him, thinking that he is still more "pro-life" than Biden, especially as Trump had Roe V. Wade overturned. Some may still vote for him, thinking that he is the most Christian candidate and will do more to implement "Christianity" in the country. But some of them may choose to sit this one out if they really were true, sincere "pro-life" voters only with neither candidate being "pro-life." He would have to make up for those lost votes somehow.

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I am white...I can do anything I want.

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We allowed the media to become owned by a tiny handful of old, rich, white, men. We see, hear, and read what they allow us to. They are among our oligarchs. They like the idea of autocracy and dividing up the rest of the USA to reward themselves and the other oligarchs.

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70-year-olds should know better.

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This 80 YO DOES !

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YES, THIS!!

The history of WW2, and what lead up to it was still taught back when they were in high school, EVEN IF it was slanted a bit to make Nazism and fascism not look quite as bad as it actually was, in order to appease McCarthy/McCarthyism.

NO EFFING EXCUSES WHATSOEVER are acceptable from them!

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I have NOTHING BUT CONTEMPT for those fascist destroyers of democracy fake electors, despite their age, and the consequences of that.

I despise them, especially how insistent and obstinate they were at the Michigan State House when confronting the Michigan State Troopers at that building's door, DESPITE knowing just how abjectly WRONG they were.

They knew PRECISELY what they were doing, and exactly what the consequences would be had they been successful in their evil endeavors.

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Jul 22, 2023·edited Jul 22, 2023

FED UP WITH THE MEDIA MERRY-GO-ROUND. A FASCIST CRIMINAL SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GIVEN ANY LEEWAY TO AIR HIS VIEWS. HE LOST THAT RIGHT WHEN HE BROKE THE LAW AND VIOLATED SO MANY GUIDELINES!!

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I agree! He’s a RAPIST on top of being an adulterer, a liar, a treasonous criminal, who has a major mental disorder that psychiatrists felt back in 2015 that he was not mentally equipped for the presidency.

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Sep 11, 2023·edited Sep 11, 2023

I am aghast that SO FAR he is still being allowed to campaign for 2024, is being treated as a legitimate candidate when he is anything BUT, and worst of all, keeps going up in the polls every time he is indicted, like he is some kind of persecuted martyr.

He and especially his followers make me seriously ILL!! 😠

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She should be old enough to know better!!!

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Right on the nose. And if the Electoral vote count had been fully delayed on Jan 6, you would have been correct about martial law as well.

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When I first got into liberal politics in Chicago in the 70's (against the Democratic machine of Richard J. Daley), I went to a meeting of people who were just starting to oppose that machine. There was a man, Donald Page Moore, who had run for States Attorney in Illinois and gave a rousing speech, saying in effect that you god damn liberals (that's a quote) need to get off your butts and go out there and work instead of being complacent that you have voted correctly, that it isn't good enough to just vote right. And, there was eventually a large group called the Independent Precinct Organization (IPO) that was several years later aligned with the IVI (Independent Voters of Illinois) which was the affiliate of ADA (Americans for Democratic Action). The IVI didn't do much action BUT they did review all the judges on the ballot and provided ballots to take into the polls so that we were not blindly voting for people that we didn't even know were good or not. BUT WE, the IPO took action. WE ran our own candidates, as well as endorsed other democratic liberal candidates (small d because there were a couple of liberal republicans) and we had a well organized cadre of our own precinct captains, area chairmen, and other organizational honchos, as well as publicity people, people who ran coffees, etc., etc. AND IT WAS ALL VOLUNTEER. AND WE WON ELECTIONS! We won state rep candidates and aldermanic candidates and worked for judicial reform and community problems. We had people canvassing voters to find out who was going to vote for our candidates and then our "job" was to get those people to the polls. We had election watchers in the precincts because you cannot even imagine what cheating went on because the machine had precinct captains whose jobs with the City were dependent on getting out their vote. We had watchers all day long in the polling places from 6 in the morning (to make sure no votes were already cast on the machines) to 7 or 8 or more at night to make sure the figures on the machines were counted right and written down right and to make sure no shenanigans were done during the day (and I could tell you hair raising stories). Times have changed and methods of voting have changed. But this is to say that the people need to be engaged, that they need to "rise up" and actually DO something . If everyone worked their areas all over the country, a Donald Trump or other dictator could not win, despite the stupid media.

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Couldn't read all of your post but agree with the first part that it's going to take action and Democrats and reasonable Americans getting off their butt and doing some work. It's going to take action and it must start now!

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It has taken DECADES to unseat Mike Madigan, aka Mr. Machine in the post-Daley era. Illiinois politics is a whole universe unto itself. Institutionalized corruption that has fits and starts of increments of reform, and Trump has some history in Chicago politics, but I think it may have beaten him. To use Chicago vernacular: Trump needs a tune-up and let's hope to goodness that Smith, Garland, and voters are ready and willing to administer that tune-up.

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I don't live in Chicago anymore and all that I know is what I read, mostly about mayoral elections. But every now and then, I see something about a known machine guy, like Vredolyak (and I think I spelled that wrong) and remember all the crazies that went on at City Council.... like once when they turned Dick Simpson's microphone off and the how the general vote call would go. Daley would tell Bilandic and Bilandic would get the signal to say yes or no. And then they would go ward, by ward. All no's until the 5th ward (Abner Mikva) and then yes until the 16th Ward, Anna Langford and the no's all the way to Bill Singer and Dick Simpson (of the 43rd and 44th ward and possibly whomever was aldermen (or there was an alderwoman sometime later) of the 46th, 48th and 50 th wards.

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Fantastic? Please tell usore!

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What do you want to know? Our exact system? I can describe it in detail if you want. But ultimately the idea is that many times we beat the "machine" at their own game and without paying off anyone or even paying our leaders.

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Yes, it is now very hard to believe that a polka-dotted unicorn with hen's teeth creature such as a 'liberal republican' has EVER EXISTED, given the steadfast, hellbent on outright fascism, 'Muricun NAZI Party they have become. :( :(

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At the time i wasv alking about there was no place for a Democrat who was not a part of the Machine. So he would run on a Republican ticket. Illinois had a unique system for voting for state reps. It was called bullet voting. Each person had 3 votes. You could use 2 on 1 person oand 1 vote on another. To get good candidates in office we would bullet vote, that is casting all 3 of our votes on one person.

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Jill, I’m speechless. WOW!

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Keith Olbermann calls media that feel compelled to treat both sides equally as having "bothsiderism." I just received Hartmann's new book, "Rediscovering Humanity's Ancient Way of Living." Your post is going into my "time capsule" folder as one of my entries suggested. Well said.

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Oh, thanks!

Olbermann is another of my favorite political commentators. Very blunt, gets straight to the point!

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I am MIGHTELY heartened by the fact that Trumplicans make up now LESS THAN 30% of this countryty! ([sic] Old habits die hard.)

OUR military makes up part of the AMERICAN half, even if a good number of the grunts hate us for not supporting Dear Leader.

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Great comment. All the signs are here, we are headed for a dictatorship. Control the vote, and the count, and keep repeating the lie, and scapegoat some minorities - Nazi Germany here we go. Book burning, undermine institutions, dictate what can or can not be taught in schools. One more election and this democracy will be history. (Add RFK jr and No Label Party and Biden will not make it. The hand writing is on the wall, ignore at your peril.

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Ain't gonna happen,keep the faith,the author of 'The Cult of Trump' knows how to deprogram folks,this can be done!

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It's hard to press "Like" to your comment because I do NOT like it, but I fear you are correct. I very much fear it. Whether Biden-Harris actually win the 2024 election, the Trump mob and crime syndicate and cult may create such chaos and frenzy, such misuse of the courts and the system of elections, not to mention violence and terrorizing activities, that the seemingly endless reign of terror will go on and on with Trump, or whoever his surrogate is, acting as an unelected - and unwanted by the majority - shadow government, with media feeding that beast even if it's reporting it as "bad news."

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That's the way it's been since Biden was elected. Constant agitation, obstruction & demagoguery from the republofascists.

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One hundred percent agree.

One of OUR problems is, to get people to understand the threat, especially to get through to the conservatives, you have to give them the info, and they see it as arrogant lecturing, and they’d rather see a meme.

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Maybe it should go out on social media,I wonder what that new'Thread' is like.

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I agree that it is not surprising that Trump would want complete control but should it be possible for him to actually usurp our constitution?

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It shouldn't be, but I don't see adequate nor timely pushback from the administration (including the DOJ, at least until Jack Smith got on the case), Congress, the courts, the media or the public, with a substantial number of elements in all these groups supporting & abetting Trump's treachery. Even international leaders & institutions have been quite quiet, without the admonitions we normally hear against a rogue state or their leader, although I know that many citizens of foreign countries are very concerned. Without forceful resistance it becomes possible for wannabe dictators to succeed.

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The silent majority (?) Is killing democy

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The irony is that 99% of Republicans vote contrary to their personal economic and health issues.

Most are "culture" a/k/a cult voters. Trump's major attraction for many is a cult of personality.

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Jack Smith is a shark,he's going for the jugular.

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Very well-expressed!

Unfortunately, this is based on facts.

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I thought Trumplethinskin would institute martial law at some point in his presidency, too. Pretty much everything else he did I expected. I still haven’t come to terms with so many people that were ‘surprised’ he would do whatever it was he’d done that day. I saw it coming the day he announced his candidacy.

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I remember saying of Trump, "he will never leave" - and that appears to be proving to be true. Even now, impeached, indicted, out of office, he dominates the news, all the time.

Chilling, yes. Terrifying, yes. Horrifying, yes. Possible? Because, when it comes to political changes most of us thought would never be possible, we now know they are.

One wonders what kinds of mentalities are seriously entertaining, even planning for, the transformation of this country into an authoritarian/totalitarian/dictatorial/oligarchic state.

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We know some of the people -- Trump, Bannon, Flynn, Miller, McCarthy, Jordan, Greene, Paul, Cruz, Hawley, DeSantis, Abbott, Lake, Alito, Thomas & most of the Republican Party holding government positions; Murdoch, Koch, Mercer, Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Thiel, Leo, Crowe & most of the billionaire corporate executives. Basically all those who think they would be part of the ruling class in a fascist oligarchy

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Jul 20, 2023Liked by Robert Reich

Maryk, you are right in making the connection between what is happening now and what happened in 1930s Germany and Italy. Republicans are furious when the comparison is made, but the reality is there are close similarities, Republican leaders know it, want to keep the rest of us from knowing it too, and acting to stop it, and stop it we must if we are to keep going as a free people.

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GOP 'anger' is, like all their public communications, a show in a scene they are hoping ends in 'unitary executive theory'.

What a load of it they expect Americans to buy into-- oh wait, if Republicans gain the majority, they won't even pretend to care what their electorate wants.

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They obviously don't even care right now.

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It makes one wonder WHY they even bother with the pretense of voting and elections in the FIRST place.

IF they feel all that omnipotently powerful, why not just get all of those in our military, law enforcement, and their heavily armed, foaming at the mouth brownshirt civilians, all who want fascism even MORE than they do, and go for an all-out, bloody, PHYSICAL PUTSCH to overthrow our democracy, and install a pure fascist dictatorship?

Not THAT confident, maybe??

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As Trump burst upon the political scene in 2015 {seeped out of the entertainment scene as from a burst soil pipe, maybe}, pundits began to say that he held the power to bring down our Democracy. I thought that was over-stated.

It wasn’t. It’s not Trump, per se, who is doing it, but he is the tool being used to do it. As a carnival barker attracts the rubes and talks them out of their money with promises of wonders to be seen, so Trump attracts the rubes and talks them out of their votes with promises of wonders to be achieved.

Egad.

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And talk them out of their money as well. I thought most of these people were from the rust belt and very poorly gifted when it comes to economics. In other words I thought they were poor. How can they afford to send all this money to tRump. The truth is they are members of the Trump cult. As such they send their nickels and dimes and quarters and dollars and $5 and $10 every time Trump asks. Therein lies the problem and they're in is a proof that they are members of a cult.

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Some of them must have some actual money as well, despite being stone dumb, brain dead 'rubes' (a term which is MUCH TOO kind to them, BTW!), as there are only so many; $90K diesel dually coal rollas, multiple $45K side by sides (and the trailers to transport all of them!), and $50K's worth of war weapons of mass death and the ammo for them one can buy on credit, before one loses it all, and has no more credit to keep buying these peckerwood 'toyz'. ;)

Yeah, why I also call total BULLSHIT on their supposed 'economic anxiety' victimhood, which the effing media, and that POS fascism pusher J.D. Vance so insincerely writes about in his apologetically garbage book.

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. . . a chicken in every pot, and a new pick-up truck in every driveway !

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Jul 22, 2023·edited Jul 22, 2023

REDNECK DEFINITION OF HEAVEN?? 😑🤨

GOD HELP US

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Ruth and Mary, And may I add to “ Republican leaders know,it, want to keep the rest of us from knowing it too,” not just knowing it but understanding it that some in their base may understand it. For when you understand, then you begin to question, and until you question you do nothing to to change the outcome. Excellent comments ladies. Thank you for your insight and commentary.

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The Evangelical Right has been taught to obstruct teaching “critical thinking,” because it is “liberal code for questioning authority.”

That’s what they told me in the 1990s. Knows what’s happening? Understand what’s happening? QUESTION what’s happening? They’ve been getting rid of those behaviors for a while now …

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You are quite right, Maryk. Then, as now, numerous disparate groups with competing political agendas refused to work together for Germany's common good while the rest of the public gave way to the true enemy: complacency.

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at this rate, there won't be any (living) descendants left to curse us ...

but that's just my protective snark-shell. truth is, i'm extremely rattled by the slow-but-fast morphing of our once-great-nation into dictatorship. (being of Ashkenazi descent doesn't help). Yes, i'm very alarmed.

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Lani: I am alarmed and fearful, as well. (In 1940, a gentile friend of my grandfather’s warned him he was on the list to be picked up by the Gestapo. He immediately packed a bag and left. My grandmother followed, packing up my aunt and my mother. They were on the last train out before the Nazis closed the German/Russian border. The remainder of our family died in a camp in Minsk.)

I’m with Maryk, below. It’s imperative we get out the BLUE VOTE.

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Stephanie, Please encourage all your friends with a family history like yours to speak out because maybe descendants of Holocaust victims can make a greater impact than folks like me, who get labeled "bleeding heart liberals." Not that I'm shamed of the label...I desperately don't want your message to be ignored for the sake of our country and future generations. It breaks my heart to hear your story and I hope others will read it, feel it and do something so it will never happen again.

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Carolyn, we need “bleeding heart liberals”. They’re the ones who say to others, “let me tell you about a friend/acquaintance of mine whose family…” All of you post, write letters, go to meetings and support each other and the rest of us. May the “Powers That Be in Nirvana” bless and keep us all!

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YESSSS! I am Jewish, born in 1942, and was always aware that if my grandparents had not emigrated to the U.S. and I was born in Germany, there was little chance that I would live nor would my family.

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Jill, please read my response to Stephanie Wellemeyer. Thank you for sharing your story and please ask others to do so.

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Stephanie: thanks for sharing your powerful and chilling personal story. My heart goes out to you ... having to fear a repeat is too much for anyone to bear. This time around, i fear there will be nowhere to run to. And personally -- At 73, with a husband who is too challenged by physical ailments to consider leaving our home, and no relatives or connections outside of the U.S.A., I feel pretty much stuck here - no matter what. I've contemplated deleting 6 years of personal Facebook posts -- all political, all posting articles that clearly express my feelings of despair and rage. Doubt that would help, cause I'm sure "Meta" has it all archived. Additionally, the folks I follow on Medium and Sub-stack would be clear give-aways for where i stand. I'm starting to think (given my age) that a deliberate overdose might be the way to go if life becomes intolerable or we're in danger of a Nazi "final solution" -- right here in America. Haven't stocked up yet, but if the unthinkable happens in Nov. of 2024 it will be time to stock up. Meanwhile, I'm in awe of the bravery shown by the folks I follow --- and I do fear for them as I fear for all of us. I know that fear is neither healthy nor helpful ... but never-the-less, it's near impossible to to dispel for those of us with and active amygdala!

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Lani, despite the challenges in your life, and they do sound difficult, please don’t “give up the ghost”. I’m 74 and the classic spinster, complete with white hair, books, and cats! Contemplating a possible Trumpian/authoritarian future scares the poo out of me also, but keep reminding yourself that all the posting you do keeps your opinions and insights in front of people. What you do and say comes from your lifetime of learning and experiences which are invaluable. No matter how old, infirm, or fearful we may be, we can speak out, write letters, email our congress critters, our government agencies, other supporting organizations, VOTE BLUE and encourage others to do likewise.

If worst comes to absolute worst, they’ll need little, old, unpreposessing ladies like us to do the small stuff any opposing organization needs. I’ve forgotten who said it, and the exact wording but “courage isn’t a lack of fear. Courage is being scared s—tless and doing it anyway.” (And tell your amygdala to shut up! It can come and visit mine and the lizards can hang out and commiserate with each other!)

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I have MANY, from both sides of my family who did not make it out of; Poland, Galicia (now far western Ukraine), Brest-Litovsk, and the far southeastern Austro-Hungarian Empire. :(

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I’m so sorry. It hurts. I’m glad you are here.

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Hitler, an early version of a unitary executive, was elected chancellor by the German people. That made German voters of the time responsible for Hitler.

20 million dead later . . .

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And remember, Hitler loved the racists of the American south for their open and supposedly scientific justifications for his campaign of hate. Add to that the crash of '29, created by our own wonderful laissez faire lunatics, and you have the exact coalition we're up against now. Hitler did very poorly in '28. He didn't take off until the election of 1930. Similarly, the 2008 downturn Republicans created saw a great spike in reactionary right activity. Republicans create economic losers and then exploit their anger with invented cultural grievances. It's incredibly evil and scary.

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“Republicans create economic losers and then exploit their anger with invented cultural grievances.”

Exactly. This is the time-honored playbook of the fascists. And it has worked over and over and over. Those who DO understand history are dooming us by repeating it.

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The unitary executive theory is complete bullsh*t. It is exactly the opposite of what the founders had in mind. They fought a war to get out from under a king. So much for Scalia and his phony "originalism," a made up word to describe a made up legal idea.

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Freedom Caucus, moms for liberty, they are masters of euphemism.

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Jul 20, 2023·edited Jul 20, 2023

Actually, did you know the instigation of the American Revolution was about a tree? A White Pine to be exact. It was the tree laws and the King taking them for his wars in Europe that started everything. The tax issue came later. I found an excellent book about it.

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I have been saying this for some time. We can't forget the voters in this whole debacle. They have voted in too many anti-democracy, pro-big business career politicians who I consider to be a loosely organized plutocracy. We are headed for lunacy.

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...and to think THAT is what fully HALF of the cold, cruel, heartless, inhumane beings in THIS land want more than anything else, right now??!

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Yes, as we are THE oldest 'go to' scapegoat/blame group in all of history, sadly.

I guess that is what was always meant as "The chosen people"??

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I am very alarmed by this. This scares the beejebers out of me!

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It should.

The papers are reporting on what Jeffrey Clark and Russell Vought et al. will do, should Republicans win in 2024

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/us/politics/trump-plans-2025.html

Be scared? How about instead, get prepared?

VOTE REPUBLICANS OUT OF OFFICE-- or you get what some politely call autocracy : fascism.

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Maryk, you're right about the papers reporting the whining of Clark et al. What they are not reporting is what that would mean for real people, imprisoning people Trump and Kump don't like or are afraid of, resegregating areas of our nation so Black people and other people of color or LGBTQ people can be preyed upon by the Trumpers and Trumpettes for their own pleasure knowing nothing will be done to them (just like some police departments do now and the Jim Crowers did up until the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s). They don't mention that christian nationalism will arise and only christian entities, particularly the white evangelicals will have rights to worship as they choose. Children will be indoctrinated into the right-wing BS that Gov. DeSantis and his crew are dying to begin. In short, our media need to get the word out about what life is likely to be under a second Trump presidency, and it ain't pretty.

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Absolutely. Saying something like, 'we're losing our democracy' just doesn't cut it. People-- who are very busy trying to keep or get a roof over their head, enough to eat, and meaningful work-- don't have time/energy to parse "losing our democracy".

YES. A great idea: newspapers should report what will be done to (basically) all educates. EXAMPLE: Trump et al. plan to: "...strip employment protections from tens of thousands of career civil servants, making it easier to replace them if they are deemed obstacles to his agenda. And he plans to scour the intelligence agencies, the State Department and the defense bureaucracies to remove officials he has vilified ..." https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/us/politics/trump-plans-2025.html

WE'VE ALREADY SEEN WHERE TRUMP WAS TAKING IT: Education requirements for some/many federal jobs were removed with an executive order. Between gutting the State Dept. and hiring unqualified people-- he got a good start to dismantling the administration!

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Maryk, now, how to we convince the newspapers and other media to begin stating that information about what Trump plans to do and how the ordinary people will suffer under that kind of child-man rule? Is there a way we can make it horrifying enough or glamorous enough to get their attention?

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Inform them that unless they are currently about as extremist, fascist rightwing as possible, AND totally loyal and supportive of dear leader SCUMp at the same time, they will be GONE just as fast as all of us 'libtards, dissidents, progressives, and socialists' under his 4th Reich NAZI regime. ;)

They CANNOT 'bothsider' this evil anymore, or pussyfoot around with potentially genocidal fascist regimes!

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I wish someone would gift this article.....

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And Sam Alito for one supports it.

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Andy, unfortunately, the toddler-men care nothing of what will happen to their children or grandchildren. And, unfortunately, maybe because of their bad behavior now, there won't be posterity to think about us at all. We really are running out of time to act but are sucked up by the stupidity of contemplating indictments and trials for Trump and Kump which should have already happened, more than 2-1/2 hears past January 6th and the other Republican shenanigans that happened around the 2020 election. And, anyone who had stolen as many documents of a secret nature that Donald Trump did would be in jail right now. People have been jailed for just a few papers; Trump had at least a hundred that we know of. This distraction keeps us from seeing what the fossil fuelers are doing, that Biden is giving into their whining, the heat in the south and rain in the northeast are really doing harm to this nation, and state legislatures have been permitted to circumvent our Constitution for the whims of racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, homo/transphobic rich white folks who are so worried about their position in their world, they care nothing for the rest of us. They ignore the first amendment with their book banning and dictator actions toward teachers, medical personnel, and anyone who does not agree with them. They ignore the 14th amendment that declares basic rights for everyone. They take cases to the Supreme Court that lets the whiny Catholics (except one) on the court granting "religious" people the right to discriminate against others, based on their religion and who cares about the religion clause in the first amendment. That's what we are facing, Republican generated chaos. We keep hearing of our polarized nation without the truth included that Republicans/conservatives have designed and wedged u s into the polarization. We the People who really care need to stand up. Maybe we need to march in the streets to get President Biden to declare a climate emergency. We are about a decade late in doing this, but I suppose it is better late than never.

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Trump should be in prison now while awaiting trial as a clear & present danger to public & national security.

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Jamie you are so right. Anyone else having committed such crimes should be in jail and waiting trial. This clown, just because he was president, isn't that in jail. He is out busy causing problems for everyone and everything. I don't know how this man would even be allowed to run for a political position of dog catcher much less the president. What is wrong with our laws? I can blame the supreme Court now sure but what kind of into this position we're a politician can go criminal and we can't do it damn thing about it?

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Why are politicians so afraid of the Insurrectionest? He wants to be a Dictator! Lock the asshole up before he creates any more division!!!! 👹🍼

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Just like the tobacconists, Big Oil knew decades ago, by way of of peer-reviewed research, the effects of CO2 on the atmosphere. They buried the research and undertook a PR disinformation campaign. Once again, profits at any cost, no accountability for the long-term impact. Frontline has an excellent 3-part series on YouTube, 'The Power of Big Oil'.

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What about Canada?? That's where i want to go if he somehow steals the election and is installed as Dictator in Chief. What is your take on that, Andy?? I just wished the MSM would report this to the entire United States, but i know they are bought off and not say a darn thing about this as them and large corporations want that horrible SOB back in the White House.

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If you have the proper qualifications, you could emigrate to Canada, John. You need to speak one of the official languages--French and English bilingualism is a plus. You must have a skill that is needed.

Be of a certain age range (usually 20s - late 40s) and have enough money to support yourself and your family

Have an education that is equivalent to the Canadian standard of education (usually a university degree, though if you have a skilled trade that is in high demand, that may be enough)

Have at least one year of work experience in a relevant field

Have a good level of English or French, or both

Have a clean police record in your home country

Have a valid job offer, a nomination from a province or territory, a sibling living in Canada, or strong French language skills (optional but helpful)

Right now, Canada is looking for people with technical skills. We opened a competition for people currently in the US on H-1B visas, but that closed in less than a day after we got 10,000 applicants.

I wish you luck, John.

I'm a dual Canadian-US citizen, and I wish all my fellow Americans luck--the kind of luck that doesn't mean you need to look for a democracy to emigrate to. VOTE BLUE!

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This laundry list of immigration requirements (no offense you didnt create the requirements) is an inequality in itself. If Immigration law was far the people allowed in should be from all economic and age demographics. Choosing only skilled or only wealthy or only young it discriminates greatly and devalues people who dont fit into these categories. The white guy with the money bags should have to wait as long and have equal rights to the unskilled refugee, not get ahead in line. Again, not attacking you, just the unreasonable and discriminatory requests governments make to entry.

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I'm retired. Would Canada accept me as a political refugee?

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I wouldnt know. Depending on what state you hail from you may have a real good argument for refugee status. Florida (Climate, Culture Wars, Jailing of voters), Texas (Climate, Electricity and gun wars, voter discrimination and gerrymandering), numerous others extreme abortion restrictions and voting rights violations. Though go light on the climate sfuff, Canada might say heyyy we got a bunch of forest land that just burned up I mean opened up for settling.

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Great idea, i can't understand why they have to be so damn picky about emigration. I live in Georgia, it's almost as bad as Florida is.

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I agree, but, unfortunately, the Safe Third Country Agreement designates the US as a "safe" country.

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Worth a try. Works for “refugees” from south of the border.

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If they actually are refugees, of course Canada will accept them, unlike the US which keeps breaking its international agreements.

Canada recently decided to accept up to 10,000 H-1B visa holders from the US; 10,000 had applied before the day was over. Increasingly, many immigrants would rather come to Canada than the US, or so many I know tell me.

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Unfortunately, I doubt it--though, if things get bad enough in the States, who knows?

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I might try that too. I know of an area in Maine where there is no border crossing, i may have to trade for a 4 WD vehicle to do it though.

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It used to be that if you crossed between border crossings, you could claim asylum if you could prove you were a legitimate refugee. Unfortunately, the recently amended Safe Third Country Agreement designates the US as a "safe" country.

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I wouldn't want to be a senior citizen in a country as pro-euthanasia as Canada.

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Where does this idea come from? I'm an 82 year old Dual National and have never seen any evidence of this assertion. Indeed, Canada has an extraordinary health care system that takes care of every citizen, which is a lot more than you can say for the US, which only supports the Insurance industry. By not having Universal health care, the US guarantees euthanasia for the unfortunate poor amongst others.

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Dear Gloria. I must correct your statement. No one in Canada is medically assisted in their death without their specific consent and extensive requirements.

You can find these by looking up MAID law at justice.qc.ca

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WHAT? As I understand it, Canada permits assisted suicide, under certain conditions. Is that what you mean by "pro-euthanasia"? If so, there's a world of difference between the two terms.

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That is simply not true. In Canada one can have 'medical aid in dying' after extensive tests and meeting all criteria that no improvement in health can be made.

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Canada does accept a very large number of refugees. There are different categories of immigrants.

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Yes I apologize for the projection. My gripe is with the US. The US has some doozies as far as messed up immigration goes. I find it interesting that Poland a boarder country just like the US also has autocratic leanings. I guess subjugating immigrants and not passing laws to help them is a sure fire indication that autocracy is on the way! Having different categories of immigrants is important so that we dont discriminate against the different groups. My opinion. I think there would be far less "illegal"/paperless immigration if we gave equal thrift to all classes of immigrants. It burns my butt that Milenia Trump got right through our system and brought less than nothing to benefit the US and the law tells us that an immigrant e

without papers who is willing to work isnt allowed to do so? A bad double standard.

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Most countries offer an array of benefits that the US does not, hence they are protective of national health services and desire young, healthy workers who will increase the tax revenues (or those who can pay their own way).

It's logical, even if it leads to the ironic result that the US which has restricted immigration for decades is now the country least likely to have its own refugees welcomed by other countries.

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No, people who have no qualification but wealth don't qualify.The white guy with the money bags does have to wait as long and does have equal rights to the unskilled refugee. Read the list again.

As for accepting anybody and everybody, even if we have to support them for the rest of their lives on welfare, it would be nice, but we can't afford to be a charity.

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I agree with you all the way. I will enter illegally if i have to.

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Be careful which province you move to. Alberta voted for a UCP government and they have the Take Back Alberta party. This party is aligned with the GOP ideology.

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And Pierre Pollievre ( basically another MAGA) wants to replace Trudeau. Canada definitely has some political problems.

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Yeah, but, fortunately, he doesn't have a chance. Stephen Harper poisoned that well for him.

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I would avoid Alberta too, as i have also heard they are into crazy crap just like here in the United States. I was thinking about the provinces of Nova Scotia or New Brunswick

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'Bleed over' from our bordering inter-mountain western Nazi Militia states, perhaps??

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Very likely.

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I totally agree. I, unfortunately, live in Alberta.

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I’m also dual and hoping to move very soon.

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Whatever you do, don't move to Alberta!

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Definitely not. Vancouver Island.

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Well, if migrants from Central and South America can crash our border with impunity, we can crash the Canadian border also.

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Dream on.

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Actually, the New York Times did publish an article about Trump's tyranny plan, which is why it is being discussed, in the MSM: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/us/politics/trump-plans-2025.html?smid=url-share

PBS Newshour did a report about it yesterday.

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The norder to Canada and the United States in reverse will be closed either by Trump or by the Canadians. If you wish to go to Canada do it now. If you wish to go to Mexico, Guatemala, Argentina, Brazil do it now before it's too late. However, of you want to stay and fight these SOBs stay here make sure your eyes are open and Open the eyes of everybody around you. Trumpers are members of the Trump cult. They need to be treated as call members. You can't just tell them they are cult members because they won't believe it. They have to be shown what they're believing and what is really going on and that is probably going to take peer-to-peer conversation. What I mean is relative to relative. People who are in that family need to sit down with their fascist cousins and uncles and brothers and just discuss as relatives the various beliefs that they have and why they have them. This could easily call some of them to understand the BS they've been fed and the BS that they believe.

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I’m trying to sell my house right now and move. I will still vote absentee but all the signs are there.

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I think you are wrong on large corporations and big money donors. On balance more money flows into democratic coffers.

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Oh please! Either you are a foolish person, you don't know what you're talking about, or you're a mattress troll. Either way, please go away.

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You're not a mattress you're a fascist troll.

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A pillow guy fascist troll?

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Would that be corporate democrats? Because, overall, I’m not seeing such a trend. Could you please provide a link to this info? You’ve perked my curiosity.

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We had a chance in 2008 and 09 but Obama didn't put the bankers in jail. Yes, Mr. President is was illegal! It was appraisal fraud and liars loans. (Bill Black - How to Rob a Bank is to Own One) So now what? They caused a housing crisis that we still will not address which leads to hosts of other problems and/or makes it worse.

Now, we have voted in some Dems and nothing happens.

Are all the Americans going to run to Canada? That seems to be our MO, isn't it?

I sincerely hope the majority doesn't really believe in Trump but we need President Biden and the Dems to step it up and do more. :)

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I believe we need to wake up the whole electorate and scour all the scoundrels from dogcatcher to the Congress. Until we get the greedy hands of the corporate scoundrels from the throats and pockets of those who set legislative goals, we are never going to have the kind of governance we need.

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Agreed, we can't leave anyone behind. We have public education for everyone. And, at minimum 2 years of community college. We are only as strong as our weakest link.

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If these despicable wannabe dictators have their way, one of them will unleash the nuclear war that everyone is afraid of. Then, there will be no descendants to criticize what fools we were to let this happen.

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Ah yes, but then the devout Christian Nationalist, Christofascist evangelicals (and other sects like them) will finally get the 'rapture' they so longingly, and desperately want.

Little do they know that the current arsenal will even vaporize their vapid SOULS before they have a chance to ascend to 'the good place', such is it's force and obliterating fury.

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Don't worry. There won't be any descendants. When someone was reminded that the scientists warned us about the climate decades ago, the response was, "Change is so inconvenient." My thought was, "So is death."

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The dead ones will be lucky. It will be the ones who have to live through the turmoil that will suffer.

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If we responded back then, the transition could've been smooth & seamless & relatively inexpensive, but now our future is destined to be catastrophic. What degree of catastrophe (survivability of most of mankind & most species or not) is the question.

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Our descendents wont say anything because the majority will be dead from climate famine or climate related weather events. Though some in the UK might survive as the dome in Logan's Run was populated with english actors.

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Andy Brice ; IF we have descendants and they even learn about history, or study government policy, and law.

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What will our descendants say about us? There won't be any if the climate models are correct. We don't know how much methane is under the permafrost, but we know we can't fix this in time to prevent that from happening. Even without that considered, our chances are marginal.

Republicans know they can't beat the demographics, so they run against democracy. It's a race for the next generation to come to power before Republicans can block the path.

Intelligent people tend to associate with other intelligent people. They then lose sight of how ignorant and stupid the common people are. Critical thinking is a learned skill and therefore is not present in the unlearned.

This old retired engineer with no kids has read too many technical papers on climate to believe we can win this battle that may already be lost. As they say, you can't fix stupid. But, you can fix ignorance. I see the corporate propagandists from the American Enterprise Institute on every other episode of Meet The Press. We get only political strategists from the Democrats. How can we get Robert Reich or someone similarly equipped with facts and integrity on to those panels?

The internet is driven by confirmation bias, so we aren't going to convert many people here.

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Asked A Man . .

But for Wales, Richy, for Wales? . .A Lie to Rise by, your Grail? . .Serving a corrupt King ..Your here and now Everything . .when in the end, At the Gate, Truth prevails?

# For All Seasons . ..

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Andy, what descendants?

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If the major countries continue to ignore the climate crisis, we won't have descendants around to worry about.

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If indeed we might even have descendants?... Spot on my friend!

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Descendants? How optimistic.

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Wake up reasonable people! The alarm bells are ringing!

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Those alarm bells have been ringing since Bush v. Gore -- when we were put on notice that the Right had bought fully into an ends-justify-the-means quest for power, "perpetual rule" as Karl Rove memorably put it. I wrote -- and wrote, and wrote -- about this: see www.CodeRed2020.com. The alarm bells are now deafening.

I think the odds are against Trump but he does have a path. Whether the "best" who seem to lack all conviction would rise up against him if he seized power "legally" through "unitary executive" (and/or whatever other machinations were necessary) is an open question.

His path to power is made significantly more plausible by RFK Jr. and No Labels. It's quite surrealistic, but we're going to have to live it and do all we can to save our democracy.

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Bush and Chaney made executive powers stronger in those 8 years and pursued Putinesque invasions (Weapons of mass media falsehoods). I guess lying to the American people is secomd nature for Republican presidents.

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Bill, I suspect you are right about Republican power-grubbing. We have so many anti-American pieces in place from the Baby Bush days: ICE, the Patriot Act, the aftermath of wars we should never have started, the war on terror, and more Republican BS. We need to find ways to slip information about the rights even privileged white people have lost over time with Republican power-grubbing: the right to not be shot by a scared neighbor, the right to have their kids given a quality education, the right to not have to pay huge sums to military contractors who price-gouge the American people building up a huge debt for CEO and shareholder wealth, the right to earn a living wage for the work you do, and the right not to have to worship as some other people think you should. I suspect most Trumpers and Trumpettes have no idea of what Republicans/conservatives have done to them along with they power and money stolen from them. We need to force our media to get the word out. Now, how do we do that when our media is mostly owned by those conservative, mostly Republican supporters?

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This the "why" I think. The "how" to coalesce and defeat the coming totalitarianism......there I draw a blank. But Hannah Arendt put it so perfectly:

"It’s a cliché among political philosophers that if you want to create the conditions for tyranny, you sever the bonds of intimate relationships and local community. “Totalitarian movements are mass organizations of atomized, isolated individuals,” Hannah Arendt famously wrote in The Origins of Totalitarianism."

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I lay this out below.

As president they were able to get away with it with help by Roberts and SCOTUS. .

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He only has a path if we let him pass.

Help get out the BLUE vote!

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As indicated earlier, German voters of the time gave Hitler his path to power, and the same thing could happen here. Getting out the vote is the only way to defeat Trump. Vote 2024!

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As a Jew, I firmly support the reading of the Holocaust period of Nazism and the why the German people allowed themselves to participate in that insanity. The German politicians of that period made the mistake, like Trump's flunkeys in Washington, that they could control Hitler if he was elected Chancellor. How'd that work for the world? Those foolish Americans who think that can't ever happen here with Trump are just foolish.

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Of course it was not just Germans.

Shoah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah_(film)

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Shoah can be live streamed on You tube and Amazon Prime.

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Hard to even fathom that so many in THIS country, TODAY want that same exact thing, or even WORSE YET for all 'others' not like them, or who totally disagree with them.

It makes me lose what little faith I ever had in our species/humanity altogether.

They literally worship pure EVIL. :( :(

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It is the unreasonable that need to be woken.

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But what about all those unreasonable people that vote for Trump? I don't think any of them are listening or care. They want a white Christian theocracy.

All we can hope is that they are a minority and with an honest election, Trump will not get elected.

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As well as an evil, genocidal fascist dictatorship, because THAT is soooo 'Christian'?!?

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we can wake up, but we don't have the how, or the consolidated message..... We are an inert population....we think about the awfulnesses that are coming, we write, we warn we talk about them...... but we lack a leader who can bring cohesion

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It’s a cliché among political philosophers that if you want to create the conditions for tyranny, you sever the bonds of intimate relationships and local community. “Totalitarian movements are mass organizations of atomized, isolated individuals,” Hannah Arendt famously wrote in The Origins of Totalitarianism.

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Professor

I am afraid, I have been afraid most of my adult life,

However, you teach, and taught me, that change is not only possible but inevitable. Your final lecture, told me not to be cynical. I will follow your advice and work to make the USA and the rest of the world better,

Thanks again.

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If Jack Smith won't indict trump for insurrection, does that invalidate or at lesst weaken the 14th Amendment option to disqualify trump?

I believe trump wants more than anything to get re-elected so he can absolve himself of all the crimes he's committed against our country. He wants to be above the law and also punish his enemies. And to keep breaking rules and laws. And to keep raking in money.

Very scary notion of trump as a “unitary executive” autocrat. Does his appeal come from bashing everything good Biden and the Dems do? What policies does he actually seek to advance that improves American workers and families?

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TUMP has no policies, He doesn't give a darn about improving the lives of Americans or families.. He is a freak of nature and a horrible excuse for a human being. In my opinion, he is the worst thing that has ever happened to America, bar none!!!

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And strangely reflective of the gadlfy fly by night influence of Oligarchs who think they know whats best for this country. How are dictator worshippers like Harlan Crow any different in their arbitrariness than Trump is? Once Trump is gone we will still have to contend with a "succession" of influence of a wholes like him.

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Unfortunately TFG has led us to Truth that even without him, our Democracy is in peril. The repub party is dangerous to our present and future. We need to take back Democracy before it’s too late. And some way fix our courts because they further the dangerous repub agenda. Can we add justices?

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Mark, great questions. Trump has no idea how to govern. He knows just a few things: how to cause harm to others, how to blame people he does not like for things he has done, how to recognize the scum who show up at his door and how he can use them to get more of whatever it is he wants, how to manipulate the media since they have come to believe or at least tolerate everything he says, how to project fear, anger, and resentment to vulnerable people, how to run up test balloons to see which whines an audience likes, lying which he is extraordinarily successful doing (over 30,000 lies in public while in office and who knows how many since then since he is covered nearly all the time and lies more than once each time he opens his mouth), and a few more equally destructive skills. Those are not the skills of a leader but definitely are the skills of a jerk, a grifter, a toddler-man in a family that lets him get away with whatever he wants, a user. Why would anyone vote for someone like that? I honestly don't get it.

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The SCUMp SHITler's abject cruelty, 'viciousness' (which he himself has praised and admired as a most positive trait amongst all of the fascist despots he loves, and ENVIES so dearly), heartless/merciless inhumanity, and guarantees of extracting furious hellfire revenge on all of his 'enemies' and promising to go out of his way to 'burn/own the libtards which endears him (and is his major 'appeal') to his low life, foaming at their mouths, shitbilly Q'aNAZI MAGAt worshipers.

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I find it unbelievable that we can seriously discuss this. I escaped from Hungary as a young woman after Soviet tanks crushed the 1956 revolt. I just could not see living there any longer. It was not an easy decision, leaving Parents. Brother and Friends behind. The USA , being mostly unknown to me, with all her faults and shortcomings still was like a Promised Land. Now comes trump, the Ignoramus if ever was one, try to crush all that is good , hopeful etc. The present Hungarian nitwit (Orban) causes suffering and discontent - I know that because I am getting emails from relatives and friends from Hungary.

Are MAGA Repubs naive, ignorant or what?

Eva Foreman

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Most of my family are MAGA Repubs. They are not bad people. The basic problem is that they are grossly misinformed since they get all their "facts" from right wing media sources, primarily Fox News, Newsmax, and talk radio. These sources tell them over and over that Trump, DeSantis, and other Republicans are the "good guys" protecting the USA from the "evil" Democrats and progressives who are out to destroy it with "woke" and "Socialist" policies. They refuse to listen to the mainstream media or people like Robert Reich.

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Tim, how many of them rely on government benefits?

When I was calling during the election I found many people who didn't know that they were eligible for government benefits that would make a big difference in their lives.

We had this problem with one branch, but they have small kids who lost the child tax credit @ $300 per child, and after I showed them that Republican policy was to undermine Social Security and Medicare, they had an epiphany. Still repeat the Fox crap about Biden, but won't vote for any Republican.

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Good idea! Some get Social Security and Medicare. The right wing media NEVER talks about the "benefits" of government. It's always the "problem" of government (thanks to Reagan's quote) and that the government wants to take things (religious freedom, for example) away from them. I'll try your benefits idea on them and see what happens.

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WHO exactly do they 'think' is supplying that Social Security and Medicare, their savior-fuehrer SCUMp, or wealthy RepugnaCANTS directly out of their OWN pockets?!? LOL

Let them know that despite how they howl and LIE that they do not want to, or even never will touch those EARNED BENEFITS (NOT 'entitlements' as the fascists like to label them!), the 'Muricun NAZI Party are HELLBENT on eliminating those programs, even if you have fully paid into them your whole working life!

I'd like to hear the MAGAs' response to that. ;)

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What you are describing is what Hannah Arendt called "the banality of evil." They are not bad people? They are not even people. They refuse to think, which is why they'll support every evil under the sun committed in their names.

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I’m convinced that many of these folks are in a state of perpetual stress overload-- exactly as intended by the oligarchs and GOP fascists. Stress overload literally reduces a person’s ability to think. Their prefrontal cortex is undermined by the cascade of neurohormones associated with fight or flight (or freeze).

Conservatives have a larger/more active amygdala. Are they attracted to those who spout conspiracies because their amygdala is congenitally more active and attuned to fear and anger? Or does constant exposure to the Right’s fear and anger-mongering media keep reactivating their amygdala?

Either way, the parts of your brain that you use are strengthened and the parts you don’t (or can’t) use atrophy to some extent.

The symptoms of stress overload are exactly what I see, daily, in the behavior of so many. And since we progressives have the same wiring (though probably a less dominant amygdala, at least so far), we have to guard against our own stress overload!

Love you guys

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"They are not even people". BS!

"Support every evil". More BS!

You seem filled with prejudice.

I feel sorry for you .

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I have relatives like yours. I'm not in denial over them. It's their choice to feed their minds with lies -- unquestioningly. I stand by my statement -- you should feel sorry for our country, and how it's become because of those people in your circle.

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My anger is directed toward the people feeding them the lies. I think of the people in my circle as victims of these people. Not everyone has the critical thinking skills to escape their bubble. I am upset about is happening to our country too!

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Then at what point are people responsible for their own choices?

Is anyone being forced to listen to the people feeding lies?

My brother is an intelligent guy, and a charitable person. I love him, but I absolutely don't defend his evangelical belief that the earth is only 6,000 years old. He chose his religious affiliation, and he chooses to believe all the nonsense. I would never grant the excuse that he's a victim.

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My anger is directed toward the people feeding them the lies. I think of the people in my circle as victims of these people. Not everyone has the critical thinking skills to escape their bubble. I am upset about is happening to our country too!

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We've stopped teaching critical thinking. Education now focuses on WHAT to think , not HOW to think. And THESE people want to continue that. As long as they control education, it will sadly continue.

They are people, though thoroughly misguided, brainwashed, and unable to see the truth. I hope that when Trump is indicted on the Jan 6 charges ( and hopefully found guilty), that he won't become a martyr.

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To what Diane is saying, I will add this: The people in your circle don't care about the truth. They are hearing what they WANT to hear. Don't kid yourself. They've taken a stand -- and if some truth comes along that threatens them, they will kill the truth and the messenger. Their "bubble" is their security blanket. It takes courage to admit "This is wrong. What I believed was not right."

Some individuals in my family circle don't have that courage -- and I had extended family in eastern Europe who perished in the death camps. The massive amount of harm these people are doing to our country -- domestic enemies of our Constitution.

And because we have become a nation of sheep and cowards, it was easy pickings for the neo-Nazis and every other fringe group.

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I think you are absolutely correct about the menacing source of misinformation having the lion’s share of exposure for unsuspecting audiences who, growing up misguided,in a naive belief that any news reports were to be taken at face value.

Further, if their educational experience is subpar, thru no fault of their own, it’s much easier to sit back and watch their 30 minutes of local or network news, while waiting for the broadcast of mindless sitcom formula, helps them forget about their troubles or dissatisfaction with their station in life. Thinking is not required.

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