The mere fact that she won a couple years ago by over 70% and lost last night by almost 30% has shown us just how far down the rabbit hole of lies and conspiracies the republican party has fallen. I loved her speech, it was perfect for obvious reasons. I hope she runs in 2024, not as a republican though for she would surely lose, but as an independent or as suggested a third party candidate. Scary times in our country, I hope everyone gets to the polls in November and stops this madness.
I'm concerned for her well being after January. I think the margin of her defeat says something that shouldn't be ignored about the proportion of Tweety-tossers in Wyoming - and we already >know< what lengths the Tweety-tossers are prepared to go to get their way.
I wouldn't be so sure. Distance doesn't seem to deter >rabid< Tweety-tossers. 1/6! Besides, although not commonly known, the DC area is Klan land. Elkton, MD comes immediately to mind. I nearly made the mistake of buying a house there in the '90s! Bullet dodged - through no fault of my own! LOL!
She'll steal votes from the Democratic candidate. Republicans who would have voted Democrat will switch instead to her. I'd rather she not run at all. She's not a hero. This is a calculated move.
Liz Cheney is not going to be the Republican presidential nominee in 2024. She can run in the primaries but she won't make it past the first few weeks. How does she take Democratic votes in the general election in 2024 if she's not on the ballot?
It's highly unlikely she'll run as a third party candidate either. Even if for some odd reason she does, the chances of her getting on enough state ballots is slim, very slim.
She won't get very far with a third party and neither will Andrew Yang and his Forward Party.
As I stated the chances of her getting on enough state ballots to even qualify for the general election is slim. Let's say she does manage to raise the huge sums of cash needed to get a campaign going she would still have to get on state ballots. You can bet Republican run states will do everything and anything to keep her off the ballots. Let's say she does end up being the "Ross Perot" of 2024 it's likely she'll take more votes away from whomever is the Republican candidate than a Democrat.
You don't have to be a courageous Wyoming Republican to love your country, its constitution, and orderly transfer of power. Hello, folks! You can vote for any number of candidates of similar sentiments who—in contrast—favor Democratic principles and policies.
She should run in the Republican primaries & tear down Trump & like-minded republofascists ("like you've never seen" as Trump would say). Then run as an Independent in the GE (with Kinzinger as her running mate), focusing her heat on the Republican nominee, exposing him for the fascist, authoritarian, treasonous terrorist in Trump's image we can be quite sure the Republican Party ends up with. That is basically what she has already vowed to do.
I'm conservative... I don't think Trump is who he says he is... I get a lot of heat from conservatives (and on liberal sites, because I don't vote for pro choice candidates). But many conservatives don't trust him either, for his involvement with Pfizer deathvax, among other things.
Liz Cheney is conservative & a strong defender of the Constitution. I get the sense you'd prefer not to vote for either Trump or Biden, nor most other Democrats & Trumpsters.
Would you consider voting for Liz? I'm progressive but my mind is open to voting for her at this point, although it depends on numerous factors.
I don't know who is advocating for 1 world government except perhaps the senior George Bush. Maybe you can enlighten me more.
There are those who want some semblance of order in the world so that countries respect each other's borders, & don't attack or subvert other nations. I know Russia, probably China & North Korea, & maybe Iran, Turkey & Saudi Arabia don't like any kind of world order so that they can invade & take over neighboring countries at will. Not sure where you would stand on that, but it has become quite apparent that the likes of Trump, Bannon & Flynn are on Russia's side on this issue.
I think many more want a globalist government than most believe.
I certainly don't like Russia but in 1989 , NATO should have been downsizing a bit. Absolutely not expanding.
If what we see is close to real, NATO and US
should not have been pushing up to the very border of Russia.
I don't think it's real... I think it's a contrived New World Order crises.
I think the leaders of it Hate kids.
You and are probably don't agree on much, but if we were opposing leaders, this war would be over in 10 dsyd, with cease fires breaking out in many areas faster.
These are globalist murderers. And murderers of children.
I'm Catholic, and Lady of Fatima warned of tragedy... But She said, in the end My Immaculate Heart will triumph. A great period of peace, justice is coming.
Think I'm crazy? So did vast numbers of Catholics who ignored this, including 2 popes. Then Catholics lost Vatican...And 200k remain Catholic out of 1.2 billion, who are in Great apostasy and haven't a damn clue.
"They have the Churches, we have the faith"
3rd secret is most likely horrible spiritual chastistement as well as death in unbelievable scale
I, too, am finding all of the news of the past week depressing. Midterms and 2024 VERY depressung. Time to stop watching CNN for a few days and turn to puppy videos on You Tube for comfort.
Agree that Trump is a marketing genius and he understands how to navigate the legal system to avoid liability and delay any legal process against him. Is Merrick Garland slow to prosecute or is the chaos created by Trump the cause of delays to prosecute him?
whats the "integrity" ? Praising a congressional inquiry fact finding is like praising a cop for showing up for work. What about the timing of this lame effort - why has it taken so long to ask these questions and seek the facts and get the testimony-- was it slowed down and timed for the midterms? what about the apparent slowness of DOJ--why has DOJ taken months to retrieve documents from Trump that DOJ and some in Congress knew he removed illegally many months ago? This country is such a joke. A dangerous joke.
It’s hard to go against gang morality when you’re supposed to be part of it. She could have just held to the background, but no, she stood up front in the boldest way.
I do wonder about why Garland has been so slow. Adam Schiff made a comment about it yesterday, implying Garland was relying on info from the 1/6 committee, and wondering why he hadn't been more aggressive in pursuing his own investigation, since he has far more power than the committee. One really has to wonder what's REALLY going on sometimes.
Criminal investigations involving the Mob, which most understand Trump, like his father Fred, and mentor Roy Cohn, happen to be. Are done from the bottom on up all the way to top. People, please be patient and trust the process!!
I'm happy to wait if there is eventually a result. I do understand Trump's connection with the Russian mafia, and was surprised none of this came out during the Muller investigation.
Trumps relationship with the Concrete Club, it’s formation with the big 5 crime families. The recordings the FBI provided Giuliani, were central to a number of prison sentences, however, Trump somehow escaped…
It kind of did, but was minimized and disregarded. Not a smoking gun, but evidence of action. Still, at the time, the report with Barr’s help, went nowhere.
During my career at NJDEP and EPA I saw how appallingly careless the bureaucracies were, but to be as blunt as possible, the view of all the managers is you dont matter. What matters is their careers, that is the universal priority, and they nurture and protect that above all else, certainly far above any public worries about the environment, or in this case, about the public's illusory fantasies re 'democracy'..
You are sadly probably correct. Whether the ravings of a political lunatic (e.g. the Orange Crush) or the owner of a company in an extractive industry (e.g. oil, coal) or a mid-level administrator at the EPA, the words of Upton Sinclair still carry the day: “It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it." Or his power...
I don’t know what Garland has to contend with in the ranks. I have seriously HOPED he was not scheduling to create what we have come to term an “October Surprise.”
There’s a belief that voters have short memories, so if you’re going to deliver a bit of info to them that will influence their votes, it’s good to spring it late, so it’s not diluted and forgotten by vote time. But that could backfire, as people also tend to hold fast to their spoken choices, and if they choose Trump now, it may be pretty hard to get them to change that choice in November, even with an “October Surprise.”
Maybe that’s not what he was doing. Maybe he’s been being circumspect. Prosecuting poor people never took this much time.
Maybe? Golly, in the case of blacks, the cops just show up with guns blazing, 'cause "maybe the black had a gun" but there is no "maybe" in the case of a federal prosecutor. DOJ's timing and selection of their actions is obvious. Clearly DOJ and Rep Cheney want to keep this rot before the media in the hope that it would not be forgotten by voters in November.
Yes, that’s what I was alluding too when i said prosecuting poor people never took so much time. This pussy-footing around powerful people and railroading the rest of us is a “pet peeve” of mine.
And i do suspect they want to keep this in people’s view screen into the heat of the election season. Having it remain so “iffy” about actual criminal behavior is playing into THEIR argument, though. We need to see some charges — we really do.
But we already saw how easy it is to derail even those charges. BEFORE anyone got to read and react to the Mueller report. Bill Barr completely dominated the messaging on it by saying it essentially found nothing of consequence — even though Mueller immediately chastised that comment and said there was plenty of consequence, Barr’s pronouncement was then and is now the accepted opinion of Mueller’s work. Mueller all but BEGGED Congress to hold Trump and his administration accountable [and today, we KNOW Russia fooled with our election messaging — it’s not even questioned any more], but we sill hear nothing form the Hard Right except that Mueller was a bust. I’m afraid that all the investigations today are going to get the Barr treatment if we don’t have some real charges appearing sooner rather than later.
Mueller's investigation generated alot of media interest but it turned up nothing re Russiagate. Mueller's complaint alleged limited election campaign hacking by a Russian group - the complaint is a quick read -you can read it in 10 minutes and when the complaint finally was public the Russiagate allegations completely stopped. A good example of the justice system working - I expected the justice system would also address the Jan 6 attack on the Capitol. DOJ has prosecuted most of if not all the defendants [see DOJs web pages]. I assumed that DOJ would pursue it all. Apparently not. so the House is investigating the government role in the Jan 6 debacle. Its taking too long and i wonder if they are going slow to milk this as long as possible up to the November elections. RE Barr's recent testimony to the House re what he advised Trump after Trump lost the election, Barr was not 'dominating' anything. He was the AG with responsibility to investigate and tell President Trump his findings re alleged tampering. Barr as far this business is concerned was unremarkable and credible.
It isn't that Trump is "rich" (hardly); he's a mob boss. They are masters of slipperiness. In spite of all the chaos, death and destruction around Al Capone, the only way they could send him to jail was to find him guilty of tax-evasion. "Prosecuting poor people" takes less time because they generally aren't crime syndicate bosses and operators. It IS too bad about the poor and otherwise disadvantaged, however.
Yeah, as Michael Cohen likes to say, Trump doesn’t tell people what he wants them to do; he talks around it and they get the picture. He keeps his fingerprints off. Mob Boss. For sure. I have long said Trump needs to be caught in the financial web he has woven [a la Scarface], and hope he still will be. But he’s also a dope — people say he’s clever or brilliant in his schemes, but he’s a narcissist, and they have their own demons that drive them to make mistakes, the biggest being they can’t keep their mouths shut. I am hoping Trump will be caught and hoist on his own petard. Or locked up for insurance fraud or tax evasion — ANYTHING [legitimate] to get the man under lock and key and out of our politics.
[And he may not be rich by his overblown claims, but he has access to mega-bucks, and as much as he tells his followers he’s super rich, they STILL send him money for defense … go figure]. He may not have billions, but he stil has a few millions hanging around, and assets worth a sh*tload.
I agree. He's a swindler, crook, crud, and definitely needs to be locked up. He should of been locked up along time ago when he swindled money to build the casinos in Atlantic City. He was totally crooked then. Anyone who would vote for him in 2024 needs to have their head examined.
They have to get it right, and make it stick. That is what makes them effective and, I think, coldly objective. Just watch. I want more speed too, but I think there’s a high chance I will be grateful in the end.
Regardless of how I feel about her politics, I applaud her for being one of very few in her party willing to tell the truth and fight for the future of our country.
I salute Liz Cheney's intelligence and inherited stubbornness. But here is the problem: Institutions Will Not Save Us. At the state level the GOP has been successfully burning down the instruments and infrastructure of voting. With gerrymandering, voter suppression, and moving electoral power from voters to GOP-selected individuals. The institution of the US Supreme Court does not work and will not save us. Since Citizens United, and Shelby County v Holder, vast money counts for more than individual votes. It's now one dollar one vote, not one person, one vote. The institution of Congress will not save us because of the revolving door, because of lobbying, because of redistricting. Federal agencies will not save us, because they are being un funded, depopulated, politicized. I experienced this first hand when I was at the EPA Office of Policy Analysis in the Reagan Administration. It has gotten orders of magnitude worse since then. The only thing that will work now is to restructure the entire system. I won't live to see it. Of course, at the rate the planet is going, nobody will.
Here's where I wish I had one of those FB emojis showing compassion to click. Thank you for bearing witness to the betrayal of our environment. We are all endangered, even as our elected bodies struggle to enduring with integrity. Cheney is extraordinary, but she is human and her politics in many ways are flawed. I want her to stay in the House of Representatives, not move to the White House, but she handled this election valiantly.
This seems very insightful to me. I don't understand much about the machinations of government, and the 1%, which is why I enjoy Professor Reich's comments. But will the politicians and wealthy allow any serious reform? Do citizens have any power any more?
I fear greatly that you are correct. My husband and I married late, had one child, and worked hard making low wages. BUT we live in a state where until a couple of years ago we could retire at the coast. Everyday we walk the beach watching all the wildlife. When I kayak I see more wildlife including otters and elk. Then I clear my email and the world shifts. Rich politicians all asking ME for money to help get Dems elected! Really? What about voting? Wasn’t that supposed to be the way? Makes me sick, frightened and in fear for my kids and grandkids.
I believe Liz Cheney should run as an Independent for the Wyoming seat. If enough people come to their senses and Democrats cross the line to vote for her, there's a good chance she would win. She needs to continue to be a voice of reason in the struggle to preserve the rule of law and democracy.
There is a big problem with Liz Cheney running as a third party congressional candidate from Wyoming: Wyoming itself. As conservative as Ms. Cheney appears to most of us, she is far too normal for Wyoming voters. And she committed the cardinal sin for any Republican: she took the name of he-who-should-not-be named, in vain.
Yes, but her continued presence on the January 6 committee (should the Dems hold the house) would be very important and crucial to the success of the committee. Murkowski is still in the running.
Leonor, I like the idea of Cheyney running as an Independent, however, I wonder if she is willing to expend the massive effort it would take for such a run without support of a party.
Still time. Wyoming has an adult population of 364,909. Lots of unregistered women.
In 2020 only 52% of people eligible to vote in Wyoming actually voted. Last night 170,000 Republicans and only about 7000 Democrats voted. There were 200,579 registered Republicans as of July 1 compared to 43,285 Democrats, for a split of about 71% to 15%.
By comparison, the city of Washington, D.C. doesn't have a vote in Congress but has twice the number of voters. Eleanor H. Norton, who doesn't have a vote in Congress and who is virtually unopposed got 107,289 votes. DC has taxation without representation as does Puerto Rico.
It's possible that Wyoming can be reversed. Needs new voters.
A person has to reside 30 days in Wyoming to qualify to vote. To be safe, the last day to register is October 24. Here are the requirements
Be 18 years of age on Election Day;
Be a U.S. Citizen;
Be a resident of Wyoming and the precinct in which you register;
Provide your valid Wyoming driver's license;
If you do not have your current valid driver's license with you, you must provide the number and additional acceptable identification as noted below;
If you have not been issued a Wyoming driver's license or yours is expired, you must provide:
A statement to that effect (on the Wyoming registration application);
The last four digits of your social security number; and
Additional acceptable identification.
Not convicted of a felony, or if convicted, has had civil or voting rights restored;
Not be adjudicated mentally incompetent; and
Withdraw your voter registration from any other jurisdiction, if applicable (on the Wyoming registration application).
Where are the democrats in power. Why haven't they spoken out about the results and how it will affect our democracy? Why are they not screaming bloody murder about Trumps terror attack on 01/06? Why are they not screaming for criminal charges for his espionage and blatant lawlessness in bringing stolen goods and secrets from the white house. Democrats are handing the country over to the republican terrorist organization on a silver platter. STOP TAKING THE "HIGH" ROAD. The only way to combat evil is to confront it head on. HARD and relentlessly. Democrats in power need to make life a living hell for trump and his cult. Bullshit on bi-partisanship. The US does not deal with terrorist groups. And that is what the republican party is. Stop trying to win over trump supporters. They do not have the mental capability to know they are being eaten by a parasite from the inside out. They are worse than deplorables. DEMOCRATS START FIGHTING BACK!
A politician who stands up for what he or she believes quickly becomes a former politician. Liz Cheney just proved it. A successful politician goes to a parade, jumps in front of it, and pretends to have been leading it all along.
As the saying goes,' if you are not worried you are not paying attention.' It was pretty clear Liz Cheney would not win but one must respect her determination to try. It is hard to believe that the Republican party that existed under Lincoln is the same one of today if in name only. She may not have won but she will not go quietly into the shadows for which i am grateful even though I have voted Republican once, maybe twice at most, in my 70 years or those in which i was voting. She is indeed a person with integrity who, along with others, have risked her/their safety to stand for what is right. These are scary times but that will only make those with a sense of ethics and responsibility fight even harder.
Her courage and integrity are laudable. But her references to God are absurd, and erode the principle of separation of church and state. Our freedom was accomplished by purposeful human action, period. Thoughts and prayers won’t save us from Trump and his MAGA stormtroopers.
Only in backwards Xian nationalist areas of the country. And we shouldn't have to live it. We are so far behind civilized countries where the majority don't partake in deity worship that we'll never catch up in time to realize how ignorant we are.
You are so correct. As it’s going, we will be a third world country made up of religious fanatics and ignorant racists, run by thugs of the worst kind. I’m sick of it. I’m ready for climate change and Darwin's evolution to take its course.
Per the ACLU: Many people of faith, including Christians and adherents of minority faiths, strongly support the separation of church and state as a core component of religious liberty. They recognize, as did James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and other of our nation’s founders, that religious freedom thrives best when government officials don’t tip the scales toward their favored religious beliefs.
Try replacing “God” with “Allah” in her closing remarks. That simple change should help illuminate why the repeated call to faith is so inappropriate and oppressive:
“…with God's help, we will prevail.
Thank you all. God bless you. God bless Wyoming. God bless the United States of America. God bless Wyoming. God bless the United States of America.”
As a sequel to Goldwater's "Conscience of a Conservative", John Dean wrote "Conservatives Without Conscience". Dean's book does much to explain why today's Republican party is what it is.
Cheney is undoubtedly brave for taking on IQ45, but let's not go overboard & canonize her as a saint of democracy. Remember that she voted AGAINST the For the People Act (HR 1) and John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act (HR 4).
I get the infatuation with her, but I have nothing in common with her policies.
Furthermore, her dad committed more crimes resulting in thousands of deaths of Iraqis and many Americans. I know that was not her fault, but same party and same family; just saying.
The mere fact that she won a couple years ago by over 70% and lost last night by almost 30% has shown us just how far down the rabbit hole of lies and conspiracies the republican party has fallen. I loved her speech, it was perfect for obvious reasons. I hope she runs in 2024, not as a republican though for she would surely lose, but as an independent or as suggested a third party candidate. Scary times in our country, I hope everyone gets to the polls in November and stops this madness.
I'm concerned for her well being after January. I think the margin of her defeat says something that shouldn't be ignored about the proportion of Tweety-tossers in Wyoming - and we already >know< what lengths the Tweety-tossers are prepared to go to get their way.
She lives outside of DC. So does her father. I wouldn’t worry about Wyoming.
I wouldn't be so sure. Distance doesn't seem to deter >rabid< Tweety-tossers. 1/6! Besides, although not commonly known, the DC area is Klan land. Elkton, MD comes immediately to mind. I nearly made the mistake of buying a house there in the '90s! Bullet dodged - through no fault of my own! LOL!
Really? Not worry about a state that's about 95 percent gun owners?
She would be wise to move out of Wyoming.
She'll steal votes from the Democratic candidate. Republicans who would have voted Democrat will switch instead to her. I'd rather she not run at all. She's not a hero. This is a calculated move.
Liz Cheney is not going to be the Republican presidential nominee in 2024. She can run in the primaries but she won't make it past the first few weeks. How does she take Democratic votes in the general election in 2024 if she's not on the ballot?
It's highly unlikely she'll run as a third party candidate either. Even if for some odd reason she does, the chances of her getting on enough state ballots is slim, very slim.
Your opinion. You’re entitled to it. I was alluding to a third party run. She’s making noises about it today as a matter of fact.
She won't get very far with a third party and neither will Andrew Yang and his Forward Party.
As I stated the chances of her getting on enough state ballots to even qualify for the general election is slim. Let's say she does manage to raise the huge sums of cash needed to get a campaign going she would still have to get on state ballots. You can bet Republican run states will do everything and anything to keep her off the ballots. Let's say she does end up being the "Ross Perot" of 2024 it's likely she'll take more votes away from whomever is the Republican candidate than a Democrat.
You don't have to be a courageous Wyoming Republican to love your country, its constitution, and orderly transfer of power. Hello, folks! You can vote for any number of candidates of similar sentiments who—in contrast—favor Democratic principles and policies.
She should run in the Republican primaries & tear down Trump & like-minded republofascists ("like you've never seen" as Trump would say). Then run as an Independent in the GE (with Kinzinger as her running mate), focusing her heat on the Republican nominee, exposing him for the fascist, authoritarian, treasonous terrorist in Trump's image we can be quite sure the Republican Party ends up with. That is basically what she has already vowed to do.
I'm conservative... I don't think Trump is who he says he is... I get a lot of heat from conservatives (and on liberal sites, because I don't vote for pro choice candidates). But many conservatives don't trust him either, for his involvement with Pfizer deathvax, among other things.
Liz Cheney is conservative & a strong defender of the Constitution. I get the sense you'd prefer not to vote for either Trump or Biden, nor most other Democrats & Trumpsters.
Would you consider voting for Liz? I'm progressive but my mind is open to voting for her at this point, although it depends on numerous factors.
Election day is a day of mourning. Has been from beginning. I feel a need to shower for hours to wash off slime.
Never Been happy.
Do you think she wants 1world government? Both Rep and Dems , some, want this. Which is treason
I don't know who is advocating for 1 world government except perhaps the senior George Bush. Maybe you can enlighten me more.
There are those who want some semblance of order in the world so that countries respect each other's borders, & don't attack or subvert other nations. I know Russia, probably China & North Korea, & maybe Iran, Turkey & Saudi Arabia don't like any kind of world order so that they can invade & take over neighboring countries at will. Not sure where you would stand on that, but it has become quite apparent that the likes of Trump, Bannon & Flynn are on Russia's side on this issue.
I believe in Just War Theory. Very few wars meet the criteria. Extremely few
WEF read about them. Not before sleeping.
I think many more want a globalist government than most believe.
I certainly don't like Russia but in 1989 , NATO should have been downsizing a bit. Absolutely not expanding.
If what we see is close to real, NATO and US
should not have been pushing up to the very border of Russia.
I don't think it's real... I think it's a contrived New World Order crises.
I think the leaders of it Hate kids.
You and are probably don't agree on much, but if we were opposing leaders, this war would be over in 10 dsyd, with cease fires breaking out in many areas faster.
These are globalist murderers. And murderers of children.
I'm Catholic, and Lady of Fatima warned of tragedy... But She said, in the end My Immaculate Heart will triumph. A great period of peace, justice is coming.
Think I'm crazy? So did vast numbers of Catholics who ignored this, including 2 popes. Then Catholics lost Vatican...And 200k remain Catholic out of 1.2 billion, who are in Great apostasy and haven't a damn clue.
"They have the Churches, we have the faith"
3rd secret is most likely horrible spiritual chastistement as well as death in unbelievable scale
Trump is a marketing genius. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/17/trump-fundraising-fbi-raid/
My lawyer friend thinks that the money he raised based on a lie should be put in a constructive trust in a lawsuit concerning his fraudulent PAC.
That is amazing, and very depressing. I sincerely worry about the midterms (2022), and 2024.
I, too, am finding all of the news of the past week depressing. Midterms and 2024 VERY depressung. Time to stop watching CNN for a few days and turn to puppy videos on You Tube for comfort.
Agree that Trump is a marketing genius and he understands how to navigate the legal system to avoid liability and delay any legal process against him. Is Merrick Garland slow to prosecute or is the chaos created by Trump the cause of delays to prosecute him?
I don't like Trump, and I don't like her. I'm independent.
I am grateful to have read Liz Cheyney's entire speech, thank you!
Me too.
I salute Liz Cheney for her integrity.
whats the "integrity" ? Praising a congressional inquiry fact finding is like praising a cop for showing up for work. What about the timing of this lame effort - why has it taken so long to ask these questions and seek the facts and get the testimony-- was it slowed down and timed for the midterms? what about the apparent slowness of DOJ--why has DOJ taken months to retrieve documents from Trump that DOJ and some in Congress knew he removed illegally many months ago? This country is such a joke. A dangerous joke.
It’s hard to go against gang morality when you’re supposed to be part of it. She could have just held to the background, but no, she stood up front in the boldest way.
I do wonder about why Garland has been so slow. Adam Schiff made a comment about it yesterday, implying Garland was relying on info from the 1/6 committee, and wondering why he hadn't been more aggressive in pursuing his own investigation, since he has far more power than the committee. One really has to wonder what's REALLY going on sometimes.
Criminal investigations involving the Mob, which most understand Trump, like his father Fred, and mentor Roy Cohn, happen to be. Are done from the bottom on up all the way to top. People, please be patient and trust the process!!
I'm happy to wait if there is eventually a result. I do understand Trump's connection with the Russian mafia, and was surprised none of this came out during the Muller investigation.
Trumps relationship with the Concrete Club, it’s formation with the big 5 crime families. The recordings the FBI provided Giuliani, were central to a number of prison sentences, however, Trump somehow escaped…
Leaving Trump broke, until his association with Russian mafia, which brought him to newfound wealth and fame!
It kind of did, but was minimized and disregarded. Not a smoking gun, but evidence of action. Still, at the time, the report with Barr’s help, went nowhere.
Yes, agree.
During my career at NJDEP and EPA I saw how appallingly careless the bureaucracies were, but to be as blunt as possible, the view of all the managers is you dont matter. What matters is their careers, that is the universal priority, and they nurture and protect that above all else, certainly far above any public worries about the environment, or in this case, about the public's illusory fantasies re 'democracy'..
You are sadly probably correct. Whether the ravings of a political lunatic (e.g. the Orange Crush) or the owner of a company in an extractive industry (e.g. oil, coal) or a mid-level administrator at the EPA, the words of Upton Sinclair still carry the day: “It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it." Or his power...
I don’t know what Garland has to contend with in the ranks. I have seriously HOPED he was not scheduling to create what we have come to term an “October Surprise.”
There’s a belief that voters have short memories, so if you’re going to deliver a bit of info to them that will influence their votes, it’s good to spring it late, so it’s not diluted and forgotten by vote time. But that could backfire, as people also tend to hold fast to their spoken choices, and if they choose Trump now, it may be pretty hard to get them to change that choice in November, even with an “October Surprise.”
Maybe that’s not what he was doing. Maybe he’s been being circumspect. Prosecuting poor people never took this much time.
Maybe? Golly, in the case of blacks, the cops just show up with guns blazing, 'cause "maybe the black had a gun" but there is no "maybe" in the case of a federal prosecutor. DOJ's timing and selection of their actions is obvious. Clearly DOJ and Rep Cheney want to keep this rot before the media in the hope that it would not be forgotten by voters in November.
Yes, that’s what I was alluding too when i said prosecuting poor people never took so much time. This pussy-footing around powerful people and railroading the rest of us is a “pet peeve” of mine.
And i do suspect they want to keep this in people’s view screen into the heat of the election season. Having it remain so “iffy” about actual criminal behavior is playing into THEIR argument, though. We need to see some charges — we really do.
But we already saw how easy it is to derail even those charges. BEFORE anyone got to read and react to the Mueller report. Bill Barr completely dominated the messaging on it by saying it essentially found nothing of consequence — even though Mueller immediately chastised that comment and said there was plenty of consequence, Barr’s pronouncement was then and is now the accepted opinion of Mueller’s work. Mueller all but BEGGED Congress to hold Trump and his administration accountable [and today, we KNOW Russia fooled with our election messaging — it’s not even questioned any more], but we sill hear nothing form the Hard Right except that Mueller was a bust. I’m afraid that all the investigations today are going to get the Barr treatment if we don’t have some real charges appearing sooner rather than later.
Maybe I’m wrong
Mueller's investigation generated alot of media interest but it turned up nothing re Russiagate. Mueller's complaint alleged limited election campaign hacking by a Russian group - the complaint is a quick read -you can read it in 10 minutes and when the complaint finally was public the Russiagate allegations completely stopped. A good example of the justice system working - I expected the justice system would also address the Jan 6 attack on the Capitol. DOJ has prosecuted most of if not all the defendants [see DOJs web pages]. I assumed that DOJ would pursue it all. Apparently not. so the House is investigating the government role in the Jan 6 debacle. Its taking too long and i wonder if they are going slow to milk this as long as possible up to the November elections. RE Barr's recent testimony to the House re what he advised Trump after Trump lost the election, Barr was not 'dominating' anything. He was the AG with responsibility to investigate and tell President Trump his findings re alleged tampering. Barr as far this business is concerned was unremarkable and credible.
It isn't that Trump is "rich" (hardly); he's a mob boss. They are masters of slipperiness. In spite of all the chaos, death and destruction around Al Capone, the only way they could send him to jail was to find him guilty of tax-evasion. "Prosecuting poor people" takes less time because they generally aren't crime syndicate bosses and operators. It IS too bad about the poor and otherwise disadvantaged, however.
Yeah, as Michael Cohen likes to say, Trump doesn’t tell people what he wants them to do; he talks around it and they get the picture. He keeps his fingerprints off. Mob Boss. For sure. I have long said Trump needs to be caught in the financial web he has woven [a la Scarface], and hope he still will be. But he’s also a dope — people say he’s clever or brilliant in his schemes, but he’s a narcissist, and they have their own demons that drive them to make mistakes, the biggest being they can’t keep their mouths shut. I am hoping Trump will be caught and hoist on his own petard. Or locked up for insurance fraud or tax evasion — ANYTHING [legitimate] to get the man under lock and key and out of our politics.
[And he may not be rich by his overblown claims, but he has access to mega-bucks, and as much as he tells his followers he’s super rich, they STILL send him money for defense … go figure]. He may not have billions, but he stil has a few millions hanging around, and assets worth a sh*tload.
I agree. He's a swindler, crook, crud, and definitely needs to be locked up. He should of been locked up along time ago when he swindled money to build the casinos in Atlantic City. He was totally crooked then. Anyone who would vote for him in 2024 needs to have their head examined.
It has been more the other way with Garland, bending over backward to make it appear politics has nothing to do with it.
Yes! Which does not actually take politics OUT of it — it puts politics in as an obstacle. Oy, vey.
The long delay & lassitude by the DOJ & administration for such serious matters concerns me, too.
They have to get it right, and make it stick. That is what makes them effective and, I think, coldly objective. Just watch. I want more speed too, but I think there’s a high chance I will be grateful in the end.
Regardless of how I feel about her politics, I applaud her for being one of very few in her party willing to tell the truth and fight for the future of our country.
I salute Liz Cheney's intelligence and inherited stubbornness. But here is the problem: Institutions Will Not Save Us. At the state level the GOP has been successfully burning down the instruments and infrastructure of voting. With gerrymandering, voter suppression, and moving electoral power from voters to GOP-selected individuals. The institution of the US Supreme Court does not work and will not save us. Since Citizens United, and Shelby County v Holder, vast money counts for more than individual votes. It's now one dollar one vote, not one person, one vote. The institution of Congress will not save us because of the revolving door, because of lobbying, because of redistricting. Federal agencies will not save us, because they are being un funded, depopulated, politicized. I experienced this first hand when I was at the EPA Office of Policy Analysis in the Reagan Administration. It has gotten orders of magnitude worse since then. The only thing that will work now is to restructure the entire system. I won't live to see it. Of course, at the rate the planet is going, nobody will.
Here's where I wish I had one of those FB emojis showing compassion to click. Thank you for bearing witness to the betrayal of our environment. We are all endangered, even as our elected bodies struggle to enduring with integrity. Cheney is extraordinary, but she is human and her politics in many ways are flawed. I want her to stay in the House of Representatives, not move to the White House, but she handled this election valiantly.
This seems very insightful to me. I don't understand much about the machinations of government, and the 1%, which is why I enjoy Professor Reich's comments. But will the politicians and wealthy allow any serious reform? Do citizens have any power any more?
I fear greatly that you are correct. My husband and I married late, had one child, and worked hard making low wages. BUT we live in a state where until a couple of years ago we could retire at the coast. Everyday we walk the beach watching all the wildlife. When I kayak I see more wildlife including otters and elk. Then I clear my email and the world shifts. Rich politicians all asking ME for money to help get Dems elected! Really? What about voting? Wasn’t that supposed to be the way? Makes me sick, frightened and in fear for my kids and grandkids.
I believe Liz Cheney should run as an Independent for the Wyoming seat. If enough people come to their senses and Democrats cross the line to vote for her, there's a good chance she would win. She needs to continue to be a voice of reason in the struggle to preserve the rule of law and democracy.
There is a big problem with Liz Cheney running as a third party congressional candidate from Wyoming: Wyoming itself. As conservative as Ms. Cheney appears to most of us, she is far too normal for Wyoming voters. And she committed the cardinal sin for any Republican: she took the name of he-who-should-not-be named, in vain.
I thought of that. It worked for Murkowski a couple of elections ago (btw, how did she do yesterday?).
Liz may have had it with Wyoming though. Since she has become a national hero to so many, it makes sense she'd move on to bigger & better things.
Yes, but her continued presence on the January 6 committee (should the Dems hold the house) would be very important and crucial to the success of the committee. Murkowski is still in the running.
Leonor, I like the idea of Cheyney running as an Independent, however, I wonder if she is willing to expend the massive effort it would take for such a run without support of a party.
She’s got the $$$ to run as an indy. Lisa Murkowski ran as a third party candidate and won several years back so it can be done.
Still time. Wyoming has an adult population of 364,909. Lots of unregistered women.
In 2020 only 52% of people eligible to vote in Wyoming actually voted. Last night 170,000 Republicans and only about 7000 Democrats voted. There were 200,579 registered Republicans as of July 1 compared to 43,285 Democrats, for a split of about 71% to 15%.
By comparison, the city of Washington, D.C. doesn't have a vote in Congress but has twice the number of voters. Eleanor H. Norton, who doesn't have a vote in Congress and who is virtually unopposed got 107,289 votes. DC has taxation without representation as does Puerto Rico.
It's possible that Wyoming can be reversed. Needs new voters.
A person has to reside 30 days in Wyoming to qualify to vote. To be safe, the last day to register is October 24. Here are the requirements
Be 18 years of age on Election Day;
Be a U.S. Citizen;
Be a resident of Wyoming and the precinct in which you register;
Provide your valid Wyoming driver's license;
If you do not have your current valid driver's license with you, you must provide the number and additional acceptable identification as noted below;
If you have not been issued a Wyoming driver's license or yours is expired, you must provide:
A statement to that effect (on the Wyoming registration application);
The last four digits of your social security number; and
Additional acceptable identification.
Not convicted of a felony, or if convicted, has had civil or voting rights restored;
Not be adjudicated mentally incompetent; and
Withdraw your voter registration from any other jurisdiction, if applicable (on the Wyoming registration application).
Where are the democrats in power. Why haven't they spoken out about the results and how it will affect our democracy? Why are they not screaming bloody murder about Trumps terror attack on 01/06? Why are they not screaming for criminal charges for his espionage and blatant lawlessness in bringing stolen goods and secrets from the white house. Democrats are handing the country over to the republican terrorist organization on a silver platter. STOP TAKING THE "HIGH" ROAD. The only way to combat evil is to confront it head on. HARD and relentlessly. Democrats in power need to make life a living hell for trump and his cult. Bullshit on bi-partisanship. The US does not deal with terrorist groups. And that is what the republican party is. Stop trying to win over trump supporters. They do not have the mental capability to know they are being eaten by a parasite from the inside out. They are worse than deplorables. DEMOCRATS START FIGHTING BACK!
Oooooo! Don’t hold back! Perfect wording!
A politician who stands up for what he or she believes quickly becomes a former politician. Liz Cheney just proved it. A successful politician goes to a parade, jumps in front of it, and pretends to have been leading it all along.
Keri Lake
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wow. that speech, as written, was inspirational. despite liz cheney's odious politics that i vehemently disagree with, this speech is 100% spot on.
Yes. LC did her job and put sensible principles of best conduct way ahead of political foolishness and deceit.
As the saying goes,' if you are not worried you are not paying attention.' It was pretty clear Liz Cheney would not win but one must respect her determination to try. It is hard to believe that the Republican party that existed under Lincoln is the same one of today if in name only. She may not have won but she will not go quietly into the shadows for which i am grateful even though I have voted Republican once, maybe twice at most, in my 70 years or those in which i was voting. She is indeed a person with integrity who, along with others, have risked her/their safety to stand for what is right. These are scary times but that will only make those with a sense of ethics and responsibility fight even harder.
Magnificent speech. Liz Cheney is an American Patriot!
Her courage and integrity are laudable. But her references to God are absurd, and erode the principle of separation of church and state. Our freedom was accomplished by purposeful human action, period. Thoughts and prayers won’t save us from Trump and his MAGA stormtroopers.
1000% in agreement. So many platitudes to a non-existent deity made me want to puke.
"God" helps win elections. Live with it.
Only in backwards Xian nationalist areas of the country. And we shouldn't have to live it. We are so far behind civilized countries where the majority don't partake in deity worship that we'll never catch up in time to realize how ignorant we are.
You are so correct. As it’s going, we will be a third world country made up of religious fanatics and ignorant racists, run by thugs of the worst kind. I’m sick of it. I’m ready for climate change and Darwin's evolution to take its course.
Per the ACLU: Many people of faith, including Christians and adherents of minority faiths, strongly support the separation of church and state as a core component of religious liberty. They recognize, as did James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and other of our nation’s founders, that religious freedom thrives best when government officials don’t tip the scales toward their favored religious beliefs.
Try replacing “God” with “Allah” in her closing remarks. That simple change should help illuminate why the repeated call to faith is so inappropriate and oppressive:
“…with God's help, we will prevail.
Thank you all. God bless you. God bless Wyoming. God bless the United States of America. God bless Wyoming. God bless the United States of America.”
Whew! Such powerful words - from you and from her. Standing for America's last best hope...
As a sequel to Goldwater's "Conscience of a Conservative", John Dean wrote "Conservatives Without Conscience". Dean's book does much to explain why today's Republican party is what it is.
Cheney is undoubtedly brave for taking on IQ45, but let's not go overboard & canonize her as a saint of democracy. Remember that she voted AGAINST the For the People Act (HR 1) and John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act (HR 4).
here, here.
I get the infatuation with her, but I have nothing in common with her policies.
Furthermore, her dad committed more crimes resulting in thousands of deaths of Iraqis and many Americans. I know that was not her fault, but same party and same family; just saying.
Sins of the father?