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A data scientist, Stephen Spoonamore, strongly suspects a hack took place during the 2024 election. He speaks of tremendous numbers of “bullet votes” for Trump, occurring in just the swing states. A bullet vote is where there is only one selection in one race out of the entire ballot.

For example in Arizona and Nevada, 5% and 7% of the ballots were people who only voted for Trump.

He explains how easily it could occur particularly with the ability of Starlink, headed by Elon Musk. He also explains that a hand recount would clear this up.

Mr. Spoonamore is imploring Kamala Harris to request a HAND RECOUNT as only she can do. He states that a hand recount will determine the correct number of votes for the 2024 presidential election.

People interested in pushing for Harris to have a hand recount should contact Harris at the White House:

Switchboard: 202-456-1414

Or contact someone who can talk her into a hand recount and have her read Spoonamore’s letter. (Her husband, Pelosi? Waltz? Jeffries?)

https://open.substack.com/pub/spoonamore/p/duty-to-warn-letter-to-vp-harris

ALSO READ: https://open.substack.com/pub/planetcritical/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked

https://youtu.be/RJR5uQpweko?si=TkumDVYkuikthlKn

Stephen Spoonamore substack.com/@spoonamore

Stephen Spoonamore Twitter/Threads/BlueSky: @spoonamore

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Professor Reich, what do you think of this theory? You can also say that Trump voters are so primitive and lazy that they only wanted to vote for their dear leader.

I just submitted the comment above about Elon Musk to the Washington Post Fact Checker.

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The voting system as run by various states is designed to let the Republicans make it more difficult for Democratic leaning voters to cast a ballot and easier for them to purge less frequent voters from voter rolls. Add to this the gutting of the Voting Rights Act, the hostility of the current Supreme Court to human rights, economic fairness, the persistence of racism and lies all makes it a perfect storm. We have a system designed for the 18th century when only white men with property could vote and it continues into the 21st. Voting should be treated as a fundamental right with meaning, yet it isn’t.

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Also, the Supreme Court is not about Justice with honor in any way, as it has allowed itself to be bought, at least the Majority has. Our system has a fatal weakness in that there are no safeguards against the willful killing of our remedies. take, for example, the way we are again hearing that "The DOJ has a policy that "A sitting President cannot be indicted". Here it is again ; and then someone will write in the newspaper that "Nobody is above the law". "We don't have a king" ; etc. It is even inscribed in stone, somewhere, on a building façade, isn't it? Doublethink.? We can see that something is wrong, but can't get to a remedy as we hurtle towards disaster : Again. This is deliberate mental illness. Or the willful allowance to let the obscenely rich get away with stealing again. They have endless off ramps in the legal system. After the horrendous crimes that are unfolding with no consequences, we again hear about Statutes of limitations, lest anyone think that eventually tRUMP will have his day in court to face any consequences. of course, he will be very old, too, so we should just let it slide. Rupert Murdoch is in his 90's and still criming. Oh well : let it go ? Meanwhile, a very young man is facing 15 years in prison for posting classified materials on a gaming site. He will be in his 30s when he gets released. But tRUMP not only walks, but is President, and about to do "Whatever the hell he wants."!?

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This writer knows without a doubt this is looking to be ‘The 34 felony count Presidential administration. It’s no surprise he’s driven to appoint untrained, unqualified

and bastardized people for most sensitive government post. His goal is to align our country with dictators and despots. God help us all for division between church and state seems to cease to the highest bidder.

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He wants to destroy The United States of America and everything it stands for. This would likely be an annex of Russia.

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That’s what this man thinks too.

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I don't understand your comment about "church and state".

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Our US Constitution guarantees separation between church and state. This is what I meant.

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You're writing about 34 counts that have to do with one act. Being involved with infidelity while married. It's something that almost every President in the 20th century could have been prosecuted for. I believe there was only two or three Presidents who didn't have a mistress, President Carter being one of them.

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No his felonies are about paying her to remain silent with business funds, and falsifying his business records to write the expense off on his business taxes. That is tax fraud.

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Ahem, 34 separate financial felonies. Have it your way if you wish. I’ll settle for the court’s findings for felonies.

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conspiracy theory!

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And why, pray tell, would “they” want to do this? mRNA vax isn’t cheap. This makes zero sense.

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I am old and decrepit, but I am also lucky because I can afford to give monetary contributions to organizations defending human rights. Do what you can!

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I’m also old but healthy. But due to bad marriage choices (one,) and thus too old to be hired; I don’t have financial stability. I still try to help others

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This is me too. We do what we can and we do it consistently. Sisterhood!

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Laurie - what dumpster did with the classified docs was much worse than what a dumb kid did. dumpster undoubtedly sold the documents, probably to his puppeteer putin, probably through an intermediary such as the saudis, which would explain the $2 billion given to jared kushner. by the way, the saudis and the iranians are planning naval exercises together. hope? not so much.

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His love interest, Kim Jong Un has sent 10,000 troops to Russia to help defeat Ukraine. Biden is interfering with it somewhat at this point by giving Ukraine the type of weapons they need to fight effectively. He also wants to get some legit justices onto the court before it gets even worse, while he is still President.

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He will have to get approval of the Senate for such appointments.

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He's already receiving classified briefings. We will soon see the toilets at Mare Lago plugged up again and overflowing.

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Mike - does the white house have an on-call plumber?

Also, it's a strange universe that a traitor with known ties to putin would be given classified info. that means that musk and everyone else around him has access to it also. It seems to me that we should probably impeach biden for disclosing classified info to the enemy? or, we could say, well mr. biden, either you go to jail or dumpster does, what'll it be?

I've posted ad nauseum about Biden having the corrupt supreme court given right to do whatevers within the scope of his duties, with impunity. Biden has a moral, ethical, political and patriotic obligation to arrest and imprison at a supermax for life, all the participants in the ongoing 4 year coup attempt. There is no reason in the world that Biden shouldn't use this to save our democracy. I'm talking about jailing the corrupt 6 on the court, ginni, stone, bannon, leoleonard, all the congresspeople involved, the oligarchs who are funding this fascist enterprise, all the lawyers and republican attorneys general who aided and abetted, all the "alternate electors" . remember that at the j6 hearings, it was all republicans who testified against their boss. the problems that may occur as a result of this action would be far less traumatic for the country than allowing this dumpster to regain the presidency.

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Did you read Spoonamore’s Substack letter above? We need to demand a hand recount in MI, WI, NC & AZ if not ALL swing states! Why is no one talking about this? There were 600,000 bullet ballots. Very strange.

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I copied the link to Spoonamores' letter, and sent it with my own letter to the office of the vice president. https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/vicepresident/

But, I'm afraid that the thinking in top Democrat circles is that they don't want to add to the distrust people already have in the electoral system post 2020 stirred up by the trump challenges. Of course, this should never cause us to fail to challenge elections when challenges are needed.

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❤Reich❤:"...they can make us ... stop defending those who are most vulnerable..."

Seven Letters: "wana die?" are required by scientists to defend those who are most vulnerable, one in twenty Americans wanted to die BEFORE THE FASCISTS WON! Trump feeds Despair, Despair feeds Trump.... aka "America is in a TAILSPIN"

If you are one of the 1% that does NOT deny this science, join me in suing the 99% that do, starting with your County Health Department!😁😁😁

https://randy.strausses.net/blog/24/241115-lessen-your-stress.htm

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"They"? Who? How? Why?

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That’s all very true but this computer scientist believes it was hacked with Musk’s internet intelligence and Star Link. He explains how in the video.

The important take: contact Harris at the White House and have her request a hand count in the swing states.

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Yes! Only Harris can request a Recount. We all must reach out to her! Don't let Trump's brazen Theft stand!

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Peter, are you Heather's son? Formerly from Chicago? If so, she's the best!

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Unfortunately no. My fam is from CT.

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Did you contact her? How? I called the White House

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Dems are the cheaters. Loser.

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I laugh at you in derision. The President-elect of the US is a convicted felon who surrounds himself with crooks, just like a mob boss. He's a Combover Caligula.

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Let you tell it, tRUMP brain washed troll.

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Writing Vice President Harris today. I've always felt Al Gore capitulated too quickly when the Supreme Court intervened in the in the 2000 election. Incidentally, that decision in favor of George W. Bush was written by Justice Scalia.

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Emailing? Writing a letter will be too late. Deadlines coming.

https://open.substack.com/pub/planetcritical/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked

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. . . and the Bush bunch dragged everything down to perdition with his invasion of Iraq.. Never been the same since, with world-wide awakening of American cruelty and torture in Abu Grabe, prison, once know for abuses by Saddam Hussein, and now know as the place where American fairness went to die.

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I think it was Sandra Day O’Connor that was the deciding vote. It was stated when she died.

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It was improper that partisan groups demanded and obtained the voting software after the 2020 election. After a partisan group obtained the voting software, the software was more vulnerable to hacking. This is not speculation. These are the facts. After the voting software was obtained by very partisan groups, the possibility exists and increased that the software was reverse-engineered to find the security vulnerabilities.

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A hand recount in the swing states would reveal the truth! Why isn’t this being discussed on the news?

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I hope that contacting Harris works, but I don't hold out much hope. She was all too eager to concede, conceding 5 hours after the counting started.

Why was she in such a hurry,?She even called Trump to congratulate him before she gave her speech

Given her eagerness to concede do you really expect her to demand a recount and look the fool?

I see no ray of sunshine. As Roy Orbison sang; "It's Over" Instead of wasting time on forlorn hope, or trying soothe ourselves, we need to be prepared for the persecution to come and form a resistance, passive and positive.

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I agree, William, but there’s literally nothing to lose by asking.

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Agreed Jan, but we have to do more than being, basically beggars at the temple or mosque, asking for alms or drachma's or whatever it is we are asking for

We need an organized, not coopted, resistance. The other day on RR a reader commented. "Give him a chance". Bull shit. we have no choice but to fight, writing your congress critter is just one stone in the pile., from which you feed your slingshit.

I keep thinking of Pastor Neimoller who said "first they came for the socialist amd I did nothing because I wasn't a socialist."

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That is funny. I get email every day requesting more donations to Kamala, precisily to fund 'correcting' ballots, and counting late ballots. Perhaps that is not as rigorous as a hand recount? Meanwhile I read that the publicans did massive voter disenfrangizement of democratic districts, sufficient to swing the count in swing states. We know the voting rules suck when the winner can be determined by random uncertainty in a few swing states. I think that is the number one issue that must be addressed.

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If you haven't hear a pronouncement from the DNC about a recount, then you are getting scammed.

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“She was all too eager to concede, conceding 5 hours after the counting started.” Exactly my first thought when I heard the Bad News. Was she, or most likely her family, subtly intimidated or threatened by the newly strengthened and weaponized MAGAT Brownshirts?

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If she was intimidated or threatened so easily, despite being surrounded by secret service, then she would have been a push over for Putin, Xi, Un, much like Joe has been.

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I don't know why she conceded so fast, either. Maybe they flt they should show how election loss is done. Don't rock the boat. Don't be like trump. Don't sew distrust of the electoral system.

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Kathy, While I agree that the spectrum of voter suppression/ nullification factors, let alone the systemic constraints, are all contributing components, I also would suggest we not discount, that while Trump’s vote count in 2024 was comparable to the count in 2020, Harris received about 13 million fewer votes than Biden in 2020. Moreover, I would note these figures do not include the approximate 80 million eligible voters who didn’t cast ballots in either election. I mention these figures for one reason: to help broaden our post-election analysis, while recognizing all the contributing factors are not nearly accounted for.

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"Vote flipping" is in the realm of possibilities. It is possible for a hack or "bug" to flip the vote of every 5, or 10, or 20 votes. The printout of how the voter voted would be correct, but how it was counted would be incorrect. I'm not saying this happened. I'm saying computer scientists in the past have said this is possible.

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With Musk in the middle of all of this, we know he is very computer oriented and he has very intelligent people working with him. Anything would be possible in that type of environment!

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What is NOT possible for a man with unlimited money?

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Russian hackers are notorious too.

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What I find disturbing is that I don't seem to have a way to actually know if my ballot votes were counted at all. The ballot does not have my name on it. The ballots don't have serial numbers so I could check that it exists in the voting district. All we seem to end up with is a stack of ballots in various districts, that seemingly have everyone's ballot. But, how do we know if extra ballots were not added, or deleted?

As a minimum, every voter should be able to find their ballot in the stack, and check that it matches their records (assuming they made a record). And, any voter should be able to ask a number of similar random ballot voters if their ballot is correct. Also the district count should be able to be checked by any voter in the district. And, any voter should be able to check that the total state or federal count matches the sum of the voting districts.

You can't do all that with paper ballots alone. You need data bases at the local level, state level, and the final federal level, that every voter in the country can check for consistency.

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I like this idea. Perhaps your ballot should have a unique number on it for identification, accessible by a computer search. Only you would know that number, so your vote would still be secret unless you wanted it disclosed.

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Barbara - I was going to mention something similar to your comment. I was also going to add that I just read an article (AP news I believe) that the USPS delivered a lot of correctly mailed and addressed ballots to not only wrong districts in those states but also to entirely wrong states. Apparently the USPS received a letter after the primaries saying that they had concerns about their ability to handle ballots in the presidential election but of course DeJoy brushed them off. Originally they were concerned about their ability to receive ballots on time even when they were postmarked way ahead of the deadline. Considering that a lot of states refused drop boxes, or hand delivery, some had no choice but to use the USPS. We already had states purge voters during the “quiet period” on top of gerrymandering and now we have people who did what they were supposed to do but were denied the right to vote because of the USPS. It makes me wonder just how many people did indeed vote but were still denied to be counted. Regardless of whether they were voting for republicans, democrats, independents or write ins this should not be allowed to continue.

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RR. This must be a hard commentary to write at this time feeling still the shock and disappointment even disbelief that people could vote for THIS over the alternative presented by Harris so amazingly well. I am disappointed and disgusted. This does not make me lose hope because we are many in this mode together and will be gathering in numbers once the effects the consequences realizations and reactions get around to people. Unfortunately this will take time. All the while MAGA will be swinging their wrecking ball and cementing changes. So we have to fight with as much as we can with those, bless them, who have the strong spirit to lead. We are still early in this but there will be strong resistance and responses. RR take care. Your messages are vital for many, certainly here. ❤️

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our imperfect system was designed for honorable,informed people-if it ever reflected reality,it doesn't now-a more perfect union is a joke-time for a new constitutional convention

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It's not too hard to count bullet votes. Sum of all Trump minus sum of all some other statewide office (governor, senator) or lacking that, which is possible, district by district, sum of all votes cast for Congressional candidates of any party. Could try comparisons by other down ballot state offices but lots of people skip those anyway.

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If we ALL ACTED and called the WhiteHouse maybe they would do a hand recount in the swing states or at least Mi, WI, AZ, & NC.

Call the White House!

PHONE NUMBERS

Comments: 202-456-1111

Switchboard: 202-456-1414

Ask to leave a comment for Harris

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The AP news site makes it look like there was a shift in favor of Republicans with 99% of the estimated votes counted. The leading reason according to poles was the economy. I imagine that the high prices caused by Covid and corporate gouging and the resulting high interest rates caused that shift. So it will take some significant digging to show that the vote was rigged enough to be the real cause. Is there any way that can be done simply by looking at nameless ballots?

https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/georgia/?

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Watch the video. It makes sense. Then think about:

- the Secretary of State Benson (Mi) stating how extremely SLOW the uptake of information was from the tabulators “for some reason…”

- Trump said he had enough votes in ADVANCE of the results

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That's trumpian arrogance. In fact it's really hard to cheat in a single state and you're saying they managed to do it in 7.

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I am rather skeptical of claims of premade results. Instead, it is the question of who is permitted to vote and who isn’t, and how convenient it is. The Republicans know they can thwart change by limiting the number of eligible voters.

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A hand recount will tell the truth! Watch the video.

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Wow! Just watched the video and I want a hand recount! Any info on how to strongly advocate for this? Please share. Writing to the VP now

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The richest man in the world- an evil genius who can get rockets to park themselves back on their launch pads for reuse AND who took over 6 weeks off all his various jobs to full-time campaign to elect Trump and who will gain enormous govt contracts and power with this win…you can’t imagine how he’d make just enough votes appear for his candidate. Trump said he didnt need more votes that he had plenty BEFORE the election. He ALWAYS tells. He said they’d ‘fix’ voting and you wouldn’t need to in the future. This election was stolen. It cannot hurt to hand count Arizona just to be sure.

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Musk is acting like he is using Trump as a sock puppet with his hand up his ass. Trump's ego won't allow that, he is sure to turn on Musk.

He has become the guest who won't come home at Mar a Lago, and is stealing thunder from Trump.

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And Rhodes there will be no handcount. Harris was to eager to concede, as if she wanted to lose, she even phoned Trump before she gave the concession speech, she condeded as votes were being counted.

The media declares the winner, not the voters.

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There are many questions, doubts & anomalies of various kinds about the election which compel a thorough investigation, focusing on activities of Musk in particular, but also of Putin, other billionaires & other Trump/Republican operatives, & interactions with each other & election officials.

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Kathy and Kathleen - they said we'd never fly, never go to the moon, 20 years ago there were no cell phones, 30 years ago no internet, the list goes on. it's hard to imagine the fantastic wealth and the power it brings for us little people. it's hard for honest people to understand the scale of evil that rules us. remember 2008? who paid? homeowners. transparent theft and gambling with other people's money were rewarded. this election theft is no different. they've been subverting and repressing votes for decades. the media didn't focus on what was being done under the radar, because it hadn't been done before on this scale. but if it can be imagined, it can be attained. if it's able to be done, it will be done. or it will have been done already

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And anything Trump is accusing others of, he’s absolutely waist deep in it!

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I think it’s both.

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Watch the video

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The MAGATS 2020 had plenty of videos in 2020. A lot of them included Shay Moss and Ruby Freeman. I'm not interested in conspiracy theories

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This is NOT a conspiracy theory! It was on the Thom Hartmann show (a Substack author). This man explains how it could happen. He worked with computers. Please keep an open mind and watch the video.

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Wow! You just outted yourself as being a 2020 conspiracist. How would you know the names of the video makers? I guess you were more interested in the 2020 conspiracy videos, huh? It would explain why you're the only one here calling Trump supporters that deplorable name, wouldn't it?

Well, Kathleen WEBer, "me thinks the lady doth protest too much."

Regardless, I kindly request that you not disparage people who voted for Trump.

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It’s not hard to cheat in a single state. Florida has been caught in past elections and are probably still doing it. And I’m not talking about Bush v Gore. For some reason, Texas also comes to mind.

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Ohio is another. I suspect South Carolina, too, at least for the senatorial race of Lindsey Graham, who was caught pressuring Georgia officials to toss out votes in Democratic strongholds, while his own supposed tossup race he was so concerned about that he blubbered on Fox while desperately soliciting contributions turned into an easy win for him. What did he do to make it that way? Kentucky, Missouri & Iowa have been suspicious, too.

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Bingo!

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In fairness, how do you know how hard or easy it is to hack the software? "In fact," you have no idea. Or do you have some CS credentials or E-voting expertise you'd like share with us? In fact, it wouldn't take all 7, just the 3 blue wall states.

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Marlo - also, dumpster said we wouldn't need to vote anymore. also, he seems to miraculously "recovered" from his advanced dementia. he gave an academy award winning performance, playing a bored, demented, buffoon. he knew he'd already won because of the techbroligarchs and the 4 years they had to rig it all. hope? not so much

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Yep.. Here’s Trump saying it.. https://youtu.be/of9OP_a6MNg?feature=shared

For once he wasn’t lying.

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Trump doesn't lie about what he intends to do. The only reason that he hasn't followed through on his intents is because he was up against institutional safeguards over which he had no control, that is not the case now, he has control over all branches of government, including Judicial, and a compliant, cowardly 4th estate, Kevin Roberts has given him the tech manual to deconstruct the U.S. and shit can the constitution, and has hand picked the staff to help him do it.

The only thing we can do is organize a resistance, and we can't do it electronically because of the PATRIOT Act, and the humongous data center the NSA built at Bluffdale, UT because of the PATRIOT Act.

Damn everything fits so neatly.

9/11, then PATRIOT Act, then NSA data center, then Trump an Project 2025

And now we have he Surveillance State, all that is missing are nation wide CCTV's as in England, yet still there are many.

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"yet still there are many" who did not fall for Trump's deceptions. That sounds good to me, William.

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Many are of no effect, unless they are connected and organized, a difficult job in a surveillance state. Even when analog, as in Germany or Cuba, parents have to be wary of even their children, their neighbors, friends and family

The chessboard is set, all of the game pieces are on the table now, just waiting for the first move, and that will be Jan 21,2025

Our problem we have no Gay Kaspparov

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William, could you explain your cryptic prediction in more detail please? Specifically, How does the Patriot Act prevent us from organizing electronically? Are you saying that everything we type is being filed and that we'll be detained before we ever participate? If so, then how does Dr. Reich propose that we mount an effective resistance?

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Juliette, to the prying eyes of the digital masters we are as naked as new born babies, but that should not scare us. We have right on our side.

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Bear with me Juliette as I tie events together.

9/11, then Congress does something that it has never done before, put together an extensive bill, the PATRIOT Act, passes it and the president signs it on Oct 26, 2001, it only took 47 days to put together this complicated and invasive Bill. It was reported at at the time, that it was put together during the Clinton Administration and just waiting for an event.

The NSA data collecting center at Bluffdale, UT was constructed because the PATRIOT Act required such a data collecting center. to fulfill the requirements of the legislation

https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/

The center sniffs all electronic traffic, and not just in the U.S.

Yes I am saying that everything that is transmitted on the internet, everything that is sent over the air, including cell phones, is captured by NSA,

Until Trump takes office, NSA is suppose to ignore intra continental communications, suppose to I said.

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This BS has been repeated everywhere, apparently by people who watch propaganda on MSNBC. I often wonder why the media continues to take things out of context & warp things the way they do when it is so easily debunked by actually watching the whole video of what Trump said but it’s very clear they do it because it is effective. People believe it & repeat it over & over again. https://youtu.be/JJNPMa4qKRU?si=0l_kjuHa-l5QyJjQ

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Here is the letter to Kamala Harris

https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

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"Everything that confirms a correct election has been manipulated with the help of Elon Musk, according to Trump: you can vote for whatever you want, we’re definitely winning that way beforehand, and that’s why Trump has been so vulgar at his rallies. He knew Elon was also helping with promises of voter money." (TRANSLATION MS. GLOYER)

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Well, we have smart computer scientists and if this is true someone will figure it out. Frankly, I think y’all sound like the MAGATS of 2020. Found any Jewish space lasers yet?

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I will take your insulting remarks for now and you can apologize later after a hand recount is completed in the swing states. Just please ask Harris to request a HAND RECOUNT! (Swing states)

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Remember the 2000 election. If anything, the current majority in SCOTUS is even more hostile towards We The People. Despite mountains of evidence showing election tampering, I expect SCOTUS' ruling will be, "Too late. The election has already been called. No more recounts. No more court challenges allowed."

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Defy them then. They are illegitimate, antidemocratic & anti-constitutional and have lost all moral authority. The most immoral, undemocratic SCOTUS decision up to 2000 was a critical turning point in the fortunes of this country. Just imagine the difference a President Gore would have made compared to Bush on climate, on democracy, on the economy (remember Bush's 2 recessions, including the Great Recession?)... And that was only the start of their devastating antidemocratic, anti-constitutional rulings. Trump was constitutionally ineligible to run for office, but SCOTUS overruled the Constitution & allowed him & other constitutionally ineligible Republicans to run. They postponed, essentially canceling, consequential Trump trials that were likely to have proven treasonous activities by Trump. This is fascism we face: the end of our democratic system of government we've been living under for 250 years & improving upon until 40 years ago, when we started going downhill under Reagan. We must no longer let illegitimate Supreme Court justices prevent justice from taking place. Lack of resistance to antidemocratic, anti-constitutional measures taken by SCOTUS, the Republican Party & their allies has taken us to the precipice of fascism, tyranny & terrorism. This is our last chance to prevent this peaceably.

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To "defy them" means LOTS of defiers getting locked up. (Makes it easy for them to identify likely "troublemakers". Given their position, they have both the Military and Law Enforcement to act as their muscle to enforce their agenda. To overcome their Power REQUIRES violent revolution. Are We The People outraged enough to go there? I doubt it, because the required 100 million angry Americans to make a revolution successful are far too comfortable (even if the political landscape sucks). Meanwhile, We fill the ether with "We should do this or We should do that," doing nothing more than venting Our anger and outrage.

"Actions speak louder than words." Wake me when/if The People get to the Action portion of the program.

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yup, they got away with it before. it's now "precedent"

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A HAND RECOUNT IS THE ONLY WAY TO DISCOVER IF ITS A FRAUD!

HARRIS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN REQUEST A HAND RECOUNT! (Swing states)

Please contact her at the White House.

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Kathleen, calling Trump supporters that is wrong, disgraceful and unwelcomed here. By the same token, comparing people here to that disgraceful adjective is equally improper and uncalled for. I think you should amend your comment and apologize.

Now then, care to explain how "smart computer scientists" can see the 1st line of code, much less the hundred thousands lines of code?

Name one computer scientist who can, or has, studied the voting software? In fact, the only people, or "smart computer scientists," to see the voting machine code are the partisans who improperly obtained the code after the 2020 election.

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If you read the exchange carefully, I was attempting to explain why a trump voter would vote only for president and ignore all the down ballot races. I am sure that your intelligent Trump voter friends voted down ballot as well as for Trump.

I have been reading up since 2020 on the issue of voter machine security. It turns out that not a single voting machine in the entire United States is connected to the web. Therefore, to change the vote totals you have to gain physical access to these machines, and they are very well guarded. To change the results in a state, you would have to somehow add 10s of thousands of votes, and that can't be added in a single county because it would stand out like a sore thumb. Therefore, the many articles that I have read since 2020 have pointed out that it is virtually impossible to change the vote totals by tampering with voting machines.

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To the best of my knowledge Kathleen, you are correct. The voting machines are NOT connected to the internet. They would ALL have to be physically ‘touched’ in order to be reprogrammed (i am a former IT worker). And yes, those machines are certified and well guarded. They are often on LAN’s (LOCAL area networks) and connected to a central server at that site but NOT to the internet. Fraud at that level is VERY difficult (think of the thousands of machines involved in many, many voting precincts in multiple states). Please ppl, educate yourselves on the processes and procedures. I get the appeal of conspiracy theories but they really don’t get us where we need to be - focused on what we can do and next steps.

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The software can be altered before it is loaded in the machine.

And yes it is true,not a single machine is connected to the web, the machines that tabluate the votes are, that is how the AP and media get the results so fast.

The voting machine prints out a ballot it is then read by a scanner, which tabulates the votes, the results are sent to a central processor, which then distributes them to the Secretary of the State and the media.

How else does Steve Karnacki know the results county by county, throughout the states.

If you want to alter the vote you don't do it at the machine. It is not the vote that counts, but who counts the vote (Stalin).

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FYI, I've been reading up on it and went ro Congressional hearings on the matter since 2005. Back then, a lot of the concern was about the Central Tabulators. As I recall, the Central Tabulator is on-line.

Back then, we didn't even have a paper trail. You can thank the Dems for that reform.

BTW, it probably wasn't such a good idea to let gaming companies with corrupt records get in the vote counting business.

BTW, the one e-voting company that sued and just won is the ONLY company preferred by Dem states.

BTW, The CEO of Diebold voting machines with Republican ties said before the 2004 election, "we will deliver the State of Ohio to Bush."

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I suppose the system suppliers might also notice problems.

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Like... Oh, we notice a problem with our product, but we still expect to get paid for this year and future orders."

It seems like they have more of an incentive to not have any problems, doesnt it?

You raise an interesting point: How can a private company that supplies software and hardware to a county be above reproach and absolutely non-partisan? Do you know of any companies that do not have a lean or political preference? In fact, some voting machine companies are openly very partisan. This is the main* problem with States using private for-profit companies. No trust, almost no oversight, and no verification.

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There is no voting machine in the entire United States that is connected with the web. To change the totals in a voting machine you have to get physical access to machines in seven different states. These machines are very well guarded. Haven't heard of any break ins. Also, trump won by large majorities in every swing state. Vote totals in numerous counties would have to be changed to come up with that result.

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Has it occured to you that the software running the voting machine is corrupted?

Surely you've heard the many claims that voters voted for their candidate and the other candidate's name was recorded? How could that happen if the software running the machine was accurate?

Did you hear about how even the calibration of the touchscreens could be off to throw the count?

If you think that voting machine not being connected to the internet eliminates all the e-voting security vulnerabilities, I have a bridge to sell ya.

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No, he didn't win by large majorities. Swinging one vote is minus one vote from one candidate, AND plus one vote to the other candidate.

Say the Senate is divided 50/50. If one member changes parties it's 49/51. Changing 500 votes creates a difference of 1000 votes.

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I repeat it is not the machines, it is the scanners and tabulators that are vulnerable.

Focusing on the machines is a red herring, a distraction.

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Who the hell are you really?

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Kathleen, I would add, referencing Nathan Heller’s piece in The New Yorker titled “Republican Victory and the Ambience of Information,” that the literacy index of over half of all adults (presumably eligible voters) is below a 6th grade level. This statistic apparently is particularly meaningful in light of Heller’s overall post-election analysis, which Lawrence O’Donnell portrays as the singularly most illuminating “must-read about the election after the election.” I plan to read the piece when I return home this evening sensing I might garner some insight as to where we go from here.

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If you watch the video you will see how Musk could have manipulated the system. (I subscribe to Thom Hartmann’s Substack newsletter and this was originally aired on Hartmann’s program).

https://youtu.be/RJR5uQpweko?si=TkumDVYkuikthlKn

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Love watching O'Donnell on MSNBC but where di you read him?

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Here is an additional video from a TED talk about needed election reform:

https://youtu.be/yQvn3zJus_c?si=QkrYkYiBVZFV3cCU

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I agree that states need to make it easier to vote.

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Ya think? This IS a democracy. It's like a pizza parlor not having dough for crust : not allowing easy voting for citizens.

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Kathleen,

I have friends who voted for Trump. They are neither primitive or lazy. They have worked hard and often have a solid middle class life. Our educational system failed them and they have hit a ceiling that they now realize won’t support their old age. They feel left behind by the computer world that messes with all their expectations. They have come to expect instant gratification like they get from ordering online. The language they thought they knew no longer means what they learned. We need to have compassion and understanding and bring them along with us as we work to right our ship in this storm.

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This is perhaps the most ridiculous list of excuses for anyone voting for a man who has already demonstrated that he is ONLY interested in lining the pockets of the rich, targets and blames minoritires for every imagined ill, disrespects handicapped and veterans, admires and wants to be an authoritarian dictator and do the bidding of Putin and whose behaviors added to the numbers of American citizens lost to COVID I’ve ever seen.

They didn’t learn the language used today? They weren’t prepared to adapt to technology in use for the last 35 years in business ? Maybe you want to blame the cell phone and the internet as well?

Our history as a country has been about its citizens adapting to change …horses to cars, humans harvesting to largely automated harvesting, radio to TV for news…there thousands of examples. NO ONE gets through life without having to accept or adjust to things that didn’t exist when they went to school or that their retirement is going to cost more than they saved.

Only those who are looking to blame someone else for their inability to adapt or who harbor the same biases that Drumpf repeatedly played to would vote for a indicted criminal with cases pending against him at the state and Federal level.

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I have never and would never vote for Trump or anyone supporting his agenda. He disgusts me in more ways than I care think of. I did millwork in NYC in the 80's and the expectation was you had to add 25% to your bid to pay bribes when working in his buildings. I don't pay bribes. However, there are many disillusioned people in our country who will need to turned around in order for us to find our way back to a true democracy where we all feel respected.

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Yeah, I mean the choice was vote for a rapist with 34 felony convictions or vote for a lawyer/prosecutor for the good of the people. ‘Rapist’ and ‘felony’ are six letter words and their meanings are neither complex nor have the meanings changed.

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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How is the Washington Post going to know? The only way is a HAND RECOUNT in MI, WI, AZ & NC. And possibly all 7 swing states. Why not spend your time emailing and calling people who can get that information to Harris, the only person that can request the recounts on a grand level.

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There is also an other more footnoted letter from 10/13 regarding the software vulnerabilities which are factually present that would allow an exploit such as that described by Steven Spoonerman. Here is a link to an aggregated document that discusses both letters that waited for the real count to end.

https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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The ballots were not built that way. Arizona's was two pages must have taken awhile in the vote booth as it took me awhile at home 🏡 . I smell fuckery afoot.

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Also still waiting to hear about validity of the Greg Palast claim that 2.7 million votes were ditched. According to the Philly papers, where a hand recount is taking place, we lost Pa in Biden's home area, former Biden supporters. Not Gen Z. Not Blacks. Lost 2 Pa Dem house seats.

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Glad to hear a hand count is presently taking place. If that shows discrepancies maybe it will spur on other recounts in Pennsylvania & other swing states.

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Where did you hear about the recount? In what state?

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Pennsylvania.

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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Be careful. You don't want to be accused of being an election denier. I've heard there's nothing worse a person can be. EXCEPT. those that get in the way of a peaceful transfer of power. Liz Cheney can explain this to you

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During elections as a poll worker I saw a voter come in and ask specifically if they could vote just for the top ticket and nothing else. I responded yes they can do that it is their vote. There is also precident during the Biden election of lots of voters voted single ticket, just for Biden helping republicans to retain seats in those districts. It was said that the 2020 election was fraudulent based on how people legally voted by Trump The idea you are spreading is a conspiracy theory. The voting machines are not wirelessly connected to the internet. and starlink signal or the 5G variant of starlink is too weak to penetrate any thin roof. The votes get stored on old PCMCIA sized memory chips that get removed and physically transported to the board of elections. As Biden said, elections results need to be respected even if your party loses.

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Please watch the video. Listen to his “theory.” A hand recount will tell the truth. God knows Trump demanded recounts. WHY can’t we?

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I listened to the video. I am an election worker and I work for a cellular communication company. What he described is hacking or interception of polling pad information (which do use wifi). The polling pads would have to have people then "signed" in falsely and then the subsequent fake sign ins would have to be MANUALLY hacked 1000s of tabulator machines (which are NOT hooked up to wifi) AND many people who actually voted would run into an issue where the "fake" vote already signed them in and when they voted it would say "this person already voted". The computer "scientist" states that chain of custody may have been broken in ONE place between the machines and the board of elections. How does that explain all the chain of custody being broken in All the swing states. This is the same exact lie of one case equals all cases that Trumps and his folks advocated. An audit would not be necessary as this issue would have revealed itself with a monstrous amount of affidavit ballots and reported fraudulent votes being cast in all these states by voters who duplicated the fake votes. You asked me to listen. I did. There is no logical path to the end result the comp sci conspiracy theorist is advocating. This only serves Russian disinformation and election denialism and apathy that peoples votes do not count and you are spreading it.

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I did, and I'm not convinced. Trump won. The swing states, like a lot of states, have different voting systems and are not even connected to the internet or wifi. Trump won and a majority of the people who voted voted for Trump. A lot of people in this country don't even know what the word authoritarianism means or what a tariff is. Trump won because he was able to convince low information voters he would fix everything. He won't of course.

This election showed me who and what this country is. And now we are all going to pay the price.

Trump didn't get a national recount. He lost something like 60 court cases trying to do that.

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A low information voter WOULD vote for just the top ticket which is the conspiracy being claimed here. Though I am talking to the choir. If there is one thing I do know its logic and reason does not sway the conspiracy theorist.

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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Copy and paste much spammer?

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So far, Trump hasn't achieved a majority of votes cast. Last I checked (an hour ago) Trump had 49.9% of the vote but most of the remaining vote counts are in Harris states, so I expect that percentage to decrease.

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Trump won 312 to Harris's 226. The election is over. Trump won. Harris couldn't get 14 million Democrats to vote for her who stayed home. Then there are the Democrat's who voted for Trump. In Texas Star County hasn't voted Republican since 1892, it flipped to Republican and voted for Trump. Trump won 53 percent of the vote in Cameron County; 58 percent of the vote in Culberson County; 55 percent in Duval County; 52 percent in Tarrant County; 51 percent in Webb and Willacy counties; 50 percent in Williamson County. Overall in Texas, Trump defeated Harris with more than 56 percent of votes, keeping the state red. Democrat's had hoped to turn Texas Purple this election and that was a complete failure.

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Trump won the electoral college. He, so far, hasn't won even half of the popular vote, though it does look like he probably won more than any of his rivals. Republicans voted for Harris, just as Democrats voted for Trump. No doubt Trump will portray this as the biggest victory the US has ever seen but it certainly isn't. It's a victory in an antiquated system where the votes of different people have different weights. The US isn't really a democracy, where everyone has a vote and each vote has equal weight. Few nations could claim to be truly democratic, of course, but Trump certainly shouldn't claim he has a popular mandate.

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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Now we sound like "them". If it's true, it will come out, just like the FACT that the 2020 election was NOT stolen came out.

I'm all for investigating, but this ship has sailed.

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Agreed

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Agreed. ... Undermining faith in our elections is what the bad guys are about.

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Thank you Marlo. I have been posting about this scenario everywhere since I saw this video from Rachel Maddow.

https://youtu.be/of9OP_a6MNg?feature=shared

At the time we were concerned about their refusing to certify, etc.

When Trump said I don’t need your votes, he was dead certain about it and about the number of votes he would be receiving. I heard “We’re hacking the vote count, don’t worry about voting for me.”

Then I read the article about Musk having several conversations with Putin concerning Starlink. The media speculated it was about interfering with communications over Ukraine. But I think it had more to do with Trump’s statement. Now your video confirms it for me.

I notice how other readers refuse to believe what’s right in front of them. Here’s the other problem: If they got away with it this time, what’s to stop them next time, or ever? We will never win another election! The time to fight this is now! I’m screaming recount!! Why not? I don’t want to later be screaming.. I told you so!

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Refusing to agree is not refusing to believe in reality. I worked the elections. The amount of systems that would need to be hacked is high and the margin for mistakes is even higher. With the method of "fraud" discribed it would be easy to detect even without a recount and a simple count and audit of affidavate ballots that were due to "already voted" issues. Poll pads, connected to wifi only lets voters get checked in. Tabulators, remain closed during the day and are tested at zero ballots at the end of the day. When they are opened one memory chip goes to the board of elections and one stays with machine. Paper ballots taken out are saved if needed for a recount. This computer scientist is espousing conspiracy theories. There is no way the chain lf custody was broken on 1000 tabulators nor that 100's of poll pad databases were hacked. If you dont believe it get involved. Become a poll worker see how things work. Dont take my word for it. Or would you rather listen to some rando guy on his cell phone in a grainy video or a journalist looking for clicks on the main stream media.

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Before anything I would ask Nate Silver to show us his polling numbers. He had Trump up by as much as 6 points.

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I would add that the "gold standard pollster" -- Ann Selzer of the Des Moines Register -- got it really wrong for Iowa. She had called every election since 2004 in the state, and had Harris up by 3 pts going into election day. Trump won by 13, and she and her team are now going over the data to try to understand how they could be so off.

In this case, it's not elections as much as polling -- and she's announced her retirement after the data analysis project has completed.

[on edit] >> Oh, and Trump has announced he wants an investigation into Selzer for possible election interference for being so off.

I guess she can be faulted for calling something so wrong, but what about telling a nation that a deadly virus would disappear as if by magic in a few months -- and ends up killing over 400,000 Americans by the end of his term of office?

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She might have been right, if Iowa was Hacked!

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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Iowa is another state where an investigation & hand count is warranted.

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Looking over the past three elections, I don't think so. Evangelicals are a big factor in Iowa -- and they have maintained loyalty to Trump.

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Polls may fluctuate and be inaccurate, but this woman conducted one of the most rigorous and trustworthy polls out there. For her to be wrong by 16 points a few days prior says to me ‘there is something rotten in Denmark’. Trump exposed his tell too many times by admitting they didnt need any more votes….they had it all covered. Recount the votes…what harm does that cost?

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Selzer isn't arguing to recount Iowa. (yet) She and her team are currently going back through the data to try to find out how they could be so wrong.

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Trump wants to court-martial any and all military leaders who "allowed" the terrorist attack in Afghanistan that killed eight soldiers. Since Trump was Commander-in-Chief during Covid, and his intentional deceptions caused the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans, shouldn't he be first to get court-martialed?

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Excellent argument, Dave!

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Certainly, Kamala Harris can request a hand recount. I assume her campaign would have to pay for it. But it is not totally implausible that some voters did vote only for Trump and no other office. Most people don't follow the ins and outs of politics, and some simply don't care about any offices other than president.

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"They claim a mandate, although as final vote tallies are coming in, it turns out that Trump did not win 50% of the vote, and CNN statistician Harry Enten notes that his margin comes in at 44th out of the 51 elections that have been held since 1824."... Less than 50% is not a Majority... Kamala may have Capitulated too Early... I have also read that Kamala received about 10,000,000 Votes less than Joe Biden did 2020... Those 10,000,00+ Voters stayed Home, or were Suppressed... DJT received less than a 1,000,000 more Votes than he did in 2020... Per AOC, Kamala should have listened less to the Obama Era insiders, and more to the 'GrassRoots'... Reuben Gallego impressed me by visiting all the Major Indigenous Enclaves in AZ during his Campaign... They Turned Out For Him... DJT is Mean, Vindictive, and Cruel.. DJT will try to undo all of Joe Biden's accomplishments... Failing that he will try to take for them... DJT is deteriorating noticeably faster now... DJT will cause Chaos in order to mask his ineptitude... DJT is the "Stable Genius" Businessman who declared Bankruptcy 5-Times... As long as DJT is on the Main Stage, he will cause Chaos... His Minions have been chosen for their Subservience to DJT, not their Competence...

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I’ve read Stephan Spoonamore’s warnings about the tabulations being manipulated and how easy it would be to prove it. I too feel we need hand counts in key areas. I think Harris has a moral duty to do this for our country and for those who supported her.

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Marlo, Thank you for this. I checked Stephen Spoonamore’s Duty to Report Letter. It squares with my personal belief that “something happened” for us to lose like we did. The reality on the ground was so much different than this outcome (trump winning all the swing states he did). I do not want to be a “Sore loser”. Neither to I want to be a stupid loser and not legitimately call for an investigation that could reveal shenanigans or not. Gore was too Nice. We cannot make that same mistake again!

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Enough with conspiracy theories—that’s how we got here.

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Just read the piece by Spoonamore.

The killer is the Dems are too courteous to dredge this up - though I desperately think they should. But if it were categorically proven that the vote tabulation had been compromised you think MAGAs would listen to the reality? There would be an all out uncivil war.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, we should KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, but the holy hell that Suntan Satan would start? Argh!!!

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Better to have the civil war BEFORE felonious Trumpty and his gang take office than after. We stand a chance now.

All of this has proven to me, how important DEI has been as a policy. In this country, it is the FILTHY WHITE MEN who have destroyed our lives with their greed and privilege, supported by their families and friends. ACCURATE herstory must be named and SEEN before we 'let go and get swallowed up by the white nazis.'

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All these decisions not to resist fascism or to enforce the law against Trump & his co-conspirators for fear of their reaction are what have brought us to the precipice of a fascist takeover.

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Facts are not recognized by tRumPutin or his cult members. At this point, we could show that he lost by a landslide and it wouldn't change anything - though it would cheer me up considerably!

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Alles was zur Bestätigung einer korrekten Wahl hilft , die durch die Hilfe von Elon Mask manipuliert wurde lt Aussage von Trump: ihr könnte wählen was ihr wollt ich, wir gewinnen auf jedem Fall das weit vorher und deswegen die vulgären Trump Ausfälle auf seinen Rallies ,er wusste Elon hilft ebenso mit Wähler Geld Versprechungen

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Bitte Schreibfehler und Satzfehler großzügig übersehen .. ich weiß das manipuliert wurde ! Aber das generelle Problem sind die überbordenden Regeln mit zu vielen Ausnahmen und jeder lausige Anwalt kann damit durch kommen Es müsste vieles geändert werden die ganze Wahl Methoden !

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So now WE are going the conspiracy route? I don’t know about you, but whenever one party in a win/lose situation claims absolutely no culpability for the outcome, positioning themselves as powerless, you better have red flags coming up because it takes two to tango. And as long as one party claims no ability to change, and that it was all out of their hands, you better take a good look because it’s never 100% one sided. As long as the Democrats, like addicts, refuse to admit there’s a problem then nothing will change.

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I believe that Harris would be responsible for paying the cost of a hand recount. I bet the cost is probably at least a half million dollars per state! Does she have the funds to do a hand recount for several states?

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She does. She has lots of campaign money left over.

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Thanks. Several news reports state that her campaign is $20 millions in debt. This implied to me that she could have difficulty raising funds for recounts. It tough to know what is true anymore!

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Wouldn't it be easier to subtract the sum of all votes gor senate or governor or or other statewide offices from the sum of Trump votes? A bullet vote legally cast by a legally registered voters is legal. It just doesn't explain their motivation.

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We in Europe and Africa who have lived through war invasion and terrorism cherished the vision of The Land of the Brave and the Land of the Free. 9/11 brought terrorists into America and punctured the confident innocence of Americans. Now you are facing battles we have already been through. I can tell you that you will adapt and you will be fine. Your leader is a Mugabe. A genocidal racist. A Chaucescho. Ours was too once. They crash and burn and last a very short time. Good people always win. Bravo Robert you are a truly great man.

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Thank you, Jill. Words of encouragement from those who have experienced what we are going through are greatly needed and appreciated. It is comforting to know that this too, shall pass. You are right, Professor Reich is indeed a truly great man!

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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I would like to encourage any and all of the democracy defenders to not ever say his name. He thrives on attention so we must reduce that thriving.

In addition I want to find or create groups of people who will support each other during these Dark Days. And also plan strong & positive strategies to become a democracy again in 2028.

Any ideas?

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I wonder if the dead Jewish folk, disabled, etc. feel this way. The dead ones, dust under our feet.

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Jill, If, as a reader from another Substack, referencing public intellectual Sarah Kendzior, explained, namely that the results of the 2024 election have enabled a global effort at work for some time not just to tear down democratic governments but also to crash the American economy so that the extremely rich and powerful, similar to corporate raiders, can break America up and sell off its parts, we’re in for a mighty struggle to rescue even a semblance of a democratic republic.

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In 2016, I read Sarah Kensior’s Hiding in Plain Sight: The Invention of Donald Trump and the Erosion of America” . I always expected to hear and read about her and that she would be held in the same regard as we hold Timothy Snyder’s On Tryanny. In 2016 a review noted “ It is a terrible feeling to sense a threat coming, but it is worse when we let apathy, doubt, and fear prevent us from preparing ourselves. Hiding in Plain Sight confronts the injustice we have too long ignored because the truth is the only way forward.” When she did not get the attention, I felt she deserved, I often worried for her safety. In 2016, she laid out how and why we would land exactly where we did in 2024.

The current book that I have purchased 8 copies of and given them away is The Invisible Doctrine: The Secret History of Neoliberalism by George Monibot and Pete Hutchison published by Penguin Books. It is currently number 1 in Times UK. Monibot is a Guardian journalist and Pete is a prolific documentary filmmaker. https://www.theguardian.com/books/article/2024/may/29/the-invisible-doctrine-by-george-monbiot-and-peter-hutchison-review-neoliberalisms-ascent. “Secret” being the key to how we could possibly be surprised by the election result when the possibility of it has been hiding in plain sight for decades.

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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Thank you for the reference, Susan. Naomi Klein, Nancy McLean, Kevin Phillips, Jane Mayer also warned us.

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David Feldman's podcast raises interesting political views. In a recent episode, he discussed the money the Harris campaign spent and how it could have been better utilized to promote policies similar to Bernie Sanders's. He expressed his unwillingness to support any candidate who doesn't advocate for Medicare for All, climate change mitigation, and taxing billionaires out of existence in the future. I share his perspective and will not support any candidate not aligning with these policies.

My YouTube 'Home' algorithm recommended a video of Michael Hudson discussing his book 'Killing the Host' with potential members of a 'worker's party.' His book, which I found enlightening, argues that the financial class and banks are undermining the US economy through financialization, a process that uses debt to dismantle industries and acquire assets. This 'corporate raiding' has already occurred and is now affecting hospital systems.

We share a common concern about the potential destruction of the Democratic Party and the aftermath of Trump's victory. The prospect of further economic collapse, with its inevitable toll of death and suffering, is a frightening one. I don't want my family to endure another Great Depression. I am eager to hear Robert Reich's opinion on Hudson's theory and his book Killing the Host.

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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That is the nightmare result I see from this election.

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That really IS the plan. Elon Musk has already registered ®️ The United States of America. Corp, in Texas. You need to see the plans for breaking up the States and replacing every county with a corporate designation. Towns and cities will be OWNED.

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some states already are owned by corporations

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Kind of like dukedoms and fiefdoms of old. Magaots better lookout- if Musk has his way, they won't be allowed to shoot their toys in Sherwood Forest anymore.

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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Jill, I absolutely agree on every point. Even in the United States this is not or first rodeo. We have been through a Revolution that almost did not succeed as we were hopelessly outnumbered by the British. If it had not been for Benjamin Franklin’s success in getting France to supply armaments and gun powder and the absolute tenaciousness of General George Washington the revolution would have failed, but we won. The Civil War tore us apart much more than Trump and the MAGA mess is doing now, but we prevailed and began the path of ending slavery. We survived the fear and paranoia instilled in the population in the McCarthy era. We do not just “hope” to survive, WE WILL SURVIVE AND EVEN THRIVE. This pattern of struggle and overcoming great odds is our history and is etched into our psyche.

In the short term, the next four years, it is going to be very tough and it is those who on the margins ethnically or economically who will disproportionally bear the burden of suffering. However with Trump and MAGA taking a wrecking ball to our already weakened institutions it is also the opportunity to rebuild a more fair, equitable and just society where the needs of all are met before wealth is allowed to accumulate in the pockets of the Ultra Rich. It was out of the disaster of The Great Depression that the programs of the New Deal were created and actualized to look after the needs of all.

I have four children and seven grandchildren and I see that the future for them is bright, very bright. For those in our generation, activists in days gone by, we will have to pass on our wisdom and experience to the next generation of activists. We will train an movement of Greta Thunberg types of activists to bring about a truly enduring “Great Society.” We have done it before and we will do it again. It is this vision of the future that gets me out of bed and energizes my day every day.

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As I have said before on this Substack I am not looking just to re-empower the Democrats and attempt to put “guardrails on capitalism.” It is not a true and lasting solution. We will be dealing with a post “wrecking ball” destroyed economic, political and justice systems so we do not just rebuild what was so easily destroyed in the past, we build something new, more fair and more durable. We build an entirely new system.

I think on the situation of New Orleans after the devastating hurricane. Here was an opportunity to build a new New Orleans a bit north and well protected from the inevitable future destruction due to Climate Change and rising sea levels. But no, billions were spent to rebuild a city in the same vulnerable place sure to be destroyed again sometime in the future. Here is an example of lack of vision and fear of “thinking outside the box.”

Personally I see a future in a system most commonly known as “Economic Democracy” that exists to insure that economic prosperity is shared by all and the local economies are empowered to make their own decisions and not be at the mercy of ultra wealthy outside corporations like Walmart. My town, like many others, has had local businesses destroyed by the existence of a new Super Walmart. and all the profits that used to circulate in the local economy are now in the pockets of wealthy stockholders who could care less about the welfare of my town and its citizens. Is this the system we want to fix?

For an in-depth exploration of equitable systems of economic and political functioniing check out the following “Crisis and Transition A Common Way Forward" Substack: https://crisistransition.substack.com/p/post-capitalist-compatibility-degrowth

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Thank you, Marc. I will be holding tight to this point of view. I did a Tarot card reading on November 6th, something I do when I need to clarify and distill my thinking. The cards don't tell the future, but they help me focus. The 3 cards I got - drawing from the Major Archana - were The Tower, Death, and The Devil. The Tower card symbolizes exactly what you are saying. When a building starts falling apart, the best way to repair it is to knock down the weak walls and rebuild on the strong foundation. Death is similar. Death is necessary for rebirth. The Devil is self-explanatory.

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But I do not think I’ll live long enough to see the recovery from this. After working all my life and hoping to have a nice retirement now I fear my last years will be a struggle.

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Thank you Jill. Truthfully I’d like to hear more from you about this.

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Yes, we are going to go through the convulsions that other nations have endured. One remark that I do NOT want to hear: "I'm happy that I'm old now and won't have to live through what's coming." Please keep that thought to yourself.

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Powerful, inspiring and necessary words, Robert. Wishing you well from Western Australia. We feel for you all in US, and know what has happened will impact on as all. Stay Strong and Keep Inspiring!

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Keep the faith, David! Those of us here in America that worked so hard to elect Kamala Harris appreciate you and everyone from around the world sending us good thoughts and words of encouragement. We will continue to work so very hard to put right everything the orange man and his cult will try to rip apart!

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I just love your reply. I've spent the past 25 years fighting for the rights of people suffering from addiction, mental health problems, and trauma, and the awful systems that don't do the right thing. So I have some idea of what is needed to fight the good fight. At least I appreciate that you NEED TO FIGHT. Robert is an amazing human being and what he wrote is so needed. You all continue to fight the good fight! The orange man and his awful associates, like Musk, are due for some shocks. Go for it!!!

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David, keep fighting for what you know is needed to help people who are suffering. What you do is amazing even though many do not recognize it! Professor Reich is always there for so many of us with information, empathy and words of encouragement. He is a remarkable human being. We will NEVER stop fighting.

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Thank you for your kind words. Your messages have lifted my spirits about what has happened in the US. I love your last five words.

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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I keep wishing someone would awaken me from this nightmare.

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A data scientist, Stephen Spoonamore, strongly suspects a hack took place during the 2024 election.

He speaks of tremendous numbers of “bullet votes” for Trump, occurring in just the swing states. A bullet vote is where there is only one selection made out of the entire ballot.

For example in Arizona and Nevada, 5% and 7% of the ballots were people who only voted for Trump.

He explains how easily it could occur particularly with the ability of Starlink, headed by Elon Musk. He also explains that a hand recount would clear this up.

Mr. Spoonamore is imploring Kamila Harris to request a HAND RECOUNT as only she can do. He states that a hand recount of the swing states will determine the correct number of votes for the 2024 presidential election.

People interested in pushing for Harris to have a hand recount should contact her at the White House. (I have but there is strength in numbers).

Watch the YouTube video below regarding his conversation with Thom Hartmann. He explains it better.

https://youtu.be/RJR5uQpweko?si=TkumDVYkuikthlKn

Stephen Spoonamoresubstack.com/@spoonamore

Stephen Spoonamore Twitter/Threads/BlueSky: @spoonamore

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I've seen the video. I've also seen the votes in Michigan and Ohio -- for both the presidential and statewide election for US senator. The totals match very closely, discounting the concept of "bullet ballots." ie > People who voted for president also voted for the senate seat in Michigan. Ditto Ohio.

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Apparently he didn’t feel that was the case in Arizona and Nevada.

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I looked back at the 2020 election in Arizona -- President and US Senate. More votes were cast for president in that race too, though just over 1%. There's certainly nothing illegal about voting only for president.

Harris needed WI, MI, and PA. Just over 1% in MI voted for president and not for the US senate seat.

WI is less than 1% difference. So not seeing anything strange there.

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If you’d watched the video you’d see that he mentions no anomalies in 2008, 2012, 2016 or 2020. What he sees that looks odd and should trigger a recount in AZ at least. It doesn’t add up that in “the closest race of our lives” one candidate claimed he had plenty of votes- no need to bother. His largest individual donor is a rocket scientist and richest person who frequently speaks with Putin, took over a month off to live and campaign in swing states- and will now decide what our govt does and doesnt fund. It makes no sense. We are incredibly gullible and stupid if we don’t do our due diligence to see. No storming the Capitol. Just hand count swing states with oddity results.

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Actually, the Democrat won the Senate race in MI. Moreover, the win was by the slim margin polled and expected at the top of the ticket.

Ohio was never on the table because people forgot that Obama saved the Auto industry and turned the state around.

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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First they came for the immigrants and I didn’t say anything! Then they came for me because I didn’t bend the knee like Joe and Mika!

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A data scientist, Stephen Spoonamore, strongly suspects a hack took place during the 2024 election.

He speaks of tremendous numbers of “bullet votes” for Trump, occurring in just the swing states. A bullet vote is where there is only one selection made out of the entire ballot.

For example in Arizona and Nevada, 5% and 7% of the ballots were people who only voted for Trump.

He explains how easily it could occur particularly with the ability of Starlink, headed by Elon Musk. He also explains that a hand recount would clear this up.

Mr. Spoonamore is imploring Kamila Harris to request a HAND RECOUNT as only she can do. He states that a hand recount of the swing states will determine the correct number of votes for the 2024 presidential election.

People interested in pushing for Harris to have a hand recount should contact her at the White House

Watch the YouTube video below regarding his conversation with Thom Hartmann.

https://youtu.be/RJR5uQpweko?si=TkumDVYkuikthlKn

Stephen Spoonamoresubstack.com/@spoonamore

Stephen Spoonamore Twitter/Threads/BlueSky: @spoonamore

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Please do not repeat comments on this page. It makes it difficult for followers to read other comments.

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Russian Troll

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Seriously? I just watched their piece. If you don’t have power, you use persuasion. We are never going to succeed in protecting this nation if we damn half the country for their choice and/or refuse to recognize how we can have influence with our fellow voters or the President. We know Trump can be destructive, so Joe & Mika using what persuasive powers they have to reason with him (or appeal to his self interest) is fine by me. We don’t need a pogrom of those who opposed him (which he has already threatened to do). And, as they clearly said (and others in politics have said) they will note decisions they disagree with as well as those which aren’t truly terrible. Resistance doesn’t always mean outright battle. Ask any woman, person of color, immigrant or LGBTQ person.

Some of us are without any influence in the larger political atmosphere, though, I would argue it’s time for us to focus on local issues and talk with our neighbors. But we are the ones who will be most impacted by destructive policies the 2025 crowd want—whether we voted against trump or for him. Principle is all very well, but if you are dependent on things like social security, Medicare, or school lunches, it’s not something you can survive on. Revolution as a response is all very well and good, but the peasants are the ones who pay the most for its costs.

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Who will be next?

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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Professor Reich: it's been so long since i've been hopeful that i (seriously) have no recollection of what it feels like. that said, and because you asked, i am making myself busy with small tasks. first, of course (and this is not such a small task), i am researching and writing about scientific studies for my readers. people need to learn more about science, what it can and is doing for us as citizens of the world, and how scientists KNOW what they profess. i think this is incredibly valuable to the community. One thing that greatly worries me is whether i will be able to continue to communicate with the public since russian terrorists are busily destroying internet cables around scandinavia and other places around europe.

i am also seeking out new news sources. i am keeping my support going for ProPublica, but since i dumped the WaPo and NYTimes, i am checking out other news sources: the boston globe, the mississippi free press and the texas tribune. i also plan to revew my support for Mother Jones News and ByLine Times, and i am seriously considering supporting (again), The Jacobin. but i miss world news, especially news that reports on conservation, biodiversity and the environment. if anyone here has suggestions for what i seek, please let me know! every christmas, i spend a large sum of money on news sources.

i also support wildlife causes. i've long supported APOPO rats (i even adopted my very own rat) and i am in the process of checking out sheldrick wildlife trust, where they rehab and protect wild African animals orphaned by poachers and other tragic events. i am still looking around for another one or two conservation orgs.

but all in all, Professor, i am wrapped up in my helplessness and inability to make ANYTHING better.

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The Guardian in the U.K. is independent and covers a lot of US news, good for conservation too. For US only Meidas+ & The Lincoln Project, also Rick Wilson of LP & Michael Poppok from Legal AF.

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Thank you for your suggestions of more practical things we can do. I will give news subscriptions for Christmas to loved ones this year. You are contributing to making things better for people right here with your words. Keep lighting your one small candle and I will too.

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News subscriptions for Christmas! Thanks for timely suggestion, Tracy!

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GrrlScientist, please know that with every so-called "little" task you do, you are essentially making things better. Everything you do benefits someone else. Please don't stop what you are doing! You are a treasure and everything you do is so needed right now. Stay strong!

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Please keep doing what you’re doing! It’s incredibly important work right now, in this era of conspiracy theories for everything. I even was called a “credentialist” (a new one for me), after I pulled out my MD and MSPH degrees to substantiate a point I was making on Substack—to which I replied “Do try to find the most highly ‘credentialed’ oncologist or cardiologist, should you suffer the misfortune of developing cancer or triple vessel coronary artery disease, respectively!” I’ve been resorting to wearing my “SCIENCE” t-shirt from the American Association for the Advancement of Science, to promote fact over fiction.

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Public media is best (BBC & PBS)...

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The people of goodwill in Australia are standing with you, guys! Everyone, stay strong :) And definitely it's important to take time out to take care of your mental health when you need to:)

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and across Europe! (UK here)

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fistbump 😃

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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So, what is your election denial story?

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Yes I want to hear it too.

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I am currently involved in a data analysis project for a client in Perth.

I had to apologize to them for falling a bit behind. I just could not concentrate, and told them it's hard to do analysis work while in the fetal position. They laughed and told that many of them were impacted too... one called it the "thousand-yard stare." Cheers!

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Too true *fistbump*:)!

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We don't need goodwill. We need a government believes that sex is real, material and fundamental to our rights as women. Australia has betrayed women and girls.

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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In America, we believe in free and fair elections.

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I woke up a short while ago with an almost overpowering sense of dread. Checking email, I found Professor Reich's post. I really, really needed his words. Thank you!

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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Robert..Thankyou for everything that you do.You are bright and inspiring light in these dark days..

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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Trump squeaked by. Less votes than the total for other candidates. The people are not paying attention. No civics classes to learn that the Congress, the Senate, the President and the Judiciary, etc. WORK FOR US. We elect them and pay them… for fucks sake they are not our rulers, they are the hired help!!!!!

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Well, yeah, that was the "old" plan, but the $upreme court made some changes to that. Cheeto in Cheif will not be working for the "people", unless the people have billions.

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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I have been through hell several times in my 73 years and this one seems to be no worse than the others. I came out of hell each time learning more about myself and life and the world around me. I expect this will be similar but I do not have the energy that I did in earlier years. Thanks for the tips and the support.

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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Keith Olson l am totally appalled and disappointed in Joe and Mika!! I have religiously watched them every single day for the last 4 years criticising Trump! This morning I woke up to their news that they had visited this appalling person and bent down to him and l was totally devastated. So a quick unfollow on social media and no longer will be tuning into their news show!!!

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I feel exactly the same way and will never watch Morning Joe again! Hopefully enough people will stop watching and their show will be cancelled!😡

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Thank you for your kindness and your compassion... I empathise with that feeling of dread. It's beyond words how some criminals gain power and the world feels upside down (when "wrong becomes right") etc.... 🙈 😪

You are a true peace warrior. I am so glad you are here. I could definitely share a Kaffee klatsch with you spreading hope and power to the people! 🥰... Greetings from a German living in the UK supporting your cause for humanity👋🏻 🙋🏻‍♀️

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Vielen, vielen Dank! Wir wirklich brauchen Leuten wie Euch jetzt! Wirklich!

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I was watching the news last night. ------ What the people who were being interviewed had to say worried me. The interviewer was asking young people who they voted for. Over and over again the same thing kept popping up, Trump was their only choice. They were asked why, the answer given was the information being spread by the media made their choice easy. Then the question was poised, what sources did you trust. Their positions was developed around the opinions expressed on "Social media." What types of information and who was giving it? Their answer explained everything. These ignorant young people were trusting the opinions given from podcasts by people like Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, Some jerk named Bannon, and others. These dumb kids were drinking the "Kool-Aid" and expecting tomorrow to be a beautiful day. How stupid can they be? The youngsters being interviewed were smoking pot in public, which may be an indicator reflecting the level of ignorance they were conveying. The facts are, Trump got 73.6 million votes in the 2020 election as compared to the 2024 totals of 74.2 million votes. This meant Trump's support was as weak in 2020 as it was 2024, very little changed. What altered the results of the 2024 election was the poor showing put forth by the Democrats. This country didn't want Trump to be our next President, however the concept of having a woman as this country's commander and chief turned the stomachs of the uneducated morons who failed to acquire the intelligence needed to make a rational decision. Trump won nothing--the ignorance of this country's people gave the election to an autocrat who will, in time, demonstrate to those who voted for him, what a mistake they actually made. Approximately 14,000,000 people just refused to see the relevance of having a good woman as their President, so they just sat on their respective asses and stayed home. Stupid is as stupid does.---Trump's showing proved nothing, except how ignorant the people under 40 who didn't attend college actually are.

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The Trump campaign spent tens of millions in highly targrted digital spending, targeting young men of all races, outspending Harris 5 to 1.

Ditto young people who were opposed to Biden (and by association, Harris) handling of the war in Gaza.

Ditto the Latino community.

Mike Madrid warned for a decade that Latino support for Democrats were waning, and the consultants employed by Democrats were giving poor advice.

Roland Martin (among many others) warned repeatedly that failure to provide ongoing support to Black activists (working year-round on shoestrings to mobilize Black voters) would result in continued erosion. Democrats did what they always do...a blitz of spending months before the election (half spent on cable which didn't reach most Black communities).

I haven't read analyses from Asian or Native American communities, both of which saw erosion to Trump.

Social media influencers played a role...GenZ doesn't get it's information from legacy media. John Dela Volpe warned repeatedly that the Harris campaign was neither reaching GenZ, nor providing a vision targeted for their futures.

Yes, there was apathy and ignorance, propelled by propaganda, but there were warnings by experts that were ignored.

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Even the ignorant may become woke once they get a taste of Trump in power, but by then it may be too late.

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Guess what. We are so much smarter than they are. In fact, we are so smart that we could not successfully communicate with average Americans.

But we've got a lot of really smart lawyers on our side, and they can fight the the dumb dumb Trump Administration every step of the way. The Supreme Court does not always rule in Trump's favor.

If someone like Senator John Cornyn doesn't wanna go along with Trump's clown appointees, then he will be able to recruit others to stand up to Trump. That's why the constitution gives senators a six year term.

BTW, I have been contributing to democracy docket for over a year now.

But we do need to learn how to communicate better with average Americans.

Dems can win by selling ONE BIG Idea

https://kathleenweber.substack.com/p/dems-can-win-by-selling-one-big-idea

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Thank you Robert, for your courage and for your efforts at speaking truth to power. Keep Hope Alive!

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The 1st step to social sanity in #Amerika is to stop calling #Trump the “President-Elect.” The entire election was illegitimate. NEVER allow the buffone anywhere near the White House ever again. I don’t care HOW you do it. NEVER ever ever means NEVER! 🦅

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