Now is the time to realize that the gloves are off. This isn't even about Trump now. He's just a tool of the real powers behind him.
Consider each of the laws the Supreme Court has made this session.
The Chevron decision should be called the "free the oligarchs" decision. It means that not only is all regulation protecting consumers, citizens and the environment from corporate and private predation be removed. It also fulfills the longer term goal of the arch-conservatives of destroying the law in general. Every regulatory decision will now have to go to a Congress with a 14% approval rating. It also leads to their goals of ending Social Security, Medicare and the IRS so they don’t have to pay taxes anymore.
The decision to overturn Roe should be called the "Evangelical Bribe". Overturning it showed the complete dishonesty and agenda of the court. If you listen to them, their goals include a nationwide ban on abortion, banning contraception, banning gay marriage, banning interracial marriage, religion in public schools.
The immunity decision is the worst. It is to prepare for a king. They know that Biden will never grab the power they have given, but they also know that Trump will. We know that Trump knows no law and now this is to tell him that there is no law above him. We know his nature. It's evil.
This court is not just radical, but with these decisions they have dropped their mask and shown their goal. It's not about Trump anymore. It's about the forces that want to destroy America and have a king. Trump, for all his evil, is just a face on it. They figure they have a good king for their plans. Behind this is something bigger than Trump. The gloves are off. This is about a large scale, long planned, conservative effort to take over of America and if you want America to continue you better plan for a fight, because they have planned for decades, and the skirmishes are over. They have started a war on America. You have no choice now but to pick a side. Fight or be a slave.
President Biden wants to take the high ground. I understand that, but I do recall that the main message of Machiavelli that if your opponent lowers themselves morally, you must be able to match that immorality or you will lose. I’m not sure taking the high ground will work. The idea of waiting for the election to determine the outcome of this would be nice, except the SCOTUS is not done and fully plans to insure the outcome of the election.
If you don’t think the SCOTUS can prevent the Jan. 6 hearing, don’t bet on it.
Someone on another forum suggested Jack Smith go on TV and present all his evidence to the American people. I like it. Why not go around the powers that be and talk directly to the voters?
The right wingers own almost all of the media…this would not be accepted. The media is a massive part of the problem. They are complicit with the Fascists!
Isn’t there a heavy neoliberal element on corporate media too? Mostly a PR campaign for the state. Intel agencies etc, invited as analysts to report themselves ..
Hence my stipulation that pulling it off would necessitate a bunch of _women,_ who collectively have never been exactly welcome at the neolib party, outside of a token handful.
I wonder if this could work. Air America failed. Right-wing media seems to succeed because it builds outrage. What would keep viewers/readers/listeners glued do you think?
What do liberals love? Feeling righteous. We also love punching up and "direct action." A news platform that integrated individually actionable stuff would be incredibly effective.
Then fight back. Much of this election battle is now on social media and anyone interested can play. I mostly just paste things from the lib-talk.com website. It is meant as ammo for the battles on social media. Maga wilts in the face of truth. Just go to any media with comments sections and paste responses to the insipid Maga comments.
Frankly, I don’t listen to any right wing stations that are commonly referred to as MSM. They are nothing of the sort. I get my news from Free Speech tv & other reliable sources. But the population that needs to hear some level of truth don’t use the left wing sites.
But not on FB. I posted a Michael Shellenberger article on it today and it was removed. Substack and others are ok, FB is not useful for sharing anything difficult
Sorry. I always think of the arsenals that folks are amassing. Do we all have to be so heavily armed? Anyway, quite right, I will be more careful w my generalizations.
Yeah, the wing nuts are scary :( it helps to understand that so much of Texas is remote and entirely wild, hence the need for firearms for the fauna - mountain lions, rattlesnakes, and Republican vigilantes LARPing at the border
OK so the gloves are off. Game plan, please! Who are the reasonable people in the media who can get out the message loud and clear? We must appeal to them. Washington Post. Boston Globe. etc.
No, the battle is now on social media and anyone interested can play. I mostly just paste things from the lib-talk.com website. I wish they would update it, but it is meant as ammo for the battles on social media. Maga wilts in the face of truth.
I don't think they wilt. Ever. I think they are energized. They think they have the truth so hearing actual truth means nothing to them. At any rate any of the MAGAts I've confronted.
What social media? I had a pretty good following on Twitter, but I got off it when Elon bought it. Unfortunately, not enough others did, and even though he calls it "X," people still say, "the website formerly known as Twitter."
Do I need to go back on that tRump supporter's website? What about Threads? Anyone on that?
Yeah, I'm a computer moron, so that wouldn't be very helpful. Maybe I'll try Truth Social. It doesn't help talking in the echo chamber. Maybe I can get through to someone on there.
Any social media site where Maga go. Just go to any media with comments sections and paste responses to the insipid Maga comments. Now if you have the nerve, take them on on Twittrer or go to Truth Social. Just take on the maga lies. They must be answered with truth and you can just pate it instead of taking the time to write it. Bomb them with truth.
Even before this SCOTUS b.s. happened, Symone Sanders Townsend said that while Michelle Obama says, "We go high when they go low," she (Symone) prefers, "When they go low, we go toe-to-toe." We need to prove that democracy matters to us. I would fight to the death for my children. If the Dems told me to go to Maryland and protest outside of Kavanaugh's house, I'd do it; if the told me to go to Michigan to hold signs, I'd do it; if they told me to go to Mississippi to register voters, I'd do it; but for god's sake, they gotta tell us something, and more importantly - THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!
The need to re-run the J6 hearings during prime time in August; Judge Chutkan can allow cameras in her courtroom and have an evidentiary hearing AND HAVE IT ON TV!
Do what I do. Go to lib-talk.com and follow the instructions. It says how to fight the battle where much of it is fought, on social media. It gives the ammunition. The site is very interesting.
I sent an email asking them to update it and it has been some, but it needs more.
I think you're mostly right; part of this is ideologueism. But part of this just the incompetence, short-sightedness, and plain stupidity of Roberts and his court.
MikeyB, what you are proposing is tempting but is terrible. Have more trust in the American voter! If the worst comes to pass a general, peaceful strike would be a very powerful weapon, and it would preserve the Constitution..
Hah! Banning interracial marriage? Guess old porn pervert Clarence will have to break his vows to his fat sloppy, piggy, disgusting "wife"/INSURRECTIONIST --PLOTTING, TRAITOROUS, TREASONOUS WHITE _ _ _ _ _ SELLOUT TO THE EXTREME RIGHT AND THE SLIMEY MAGGOT! (GO GET HER, JUSTICE . . . PREPARE THE FIRING SQUAD! LET'S MAKE HER THE PRIME EXAMPLE!)
Now is the time to realize that the gloves are off. This isn't even about Trump now. He's just a tool of the real powers behind him.
Consider each of the laws the Supreme Court has made this session.
The Chevron decision should be called the "free the oligarchs" decision. It means that not only is all regulation protecting consumers, citizens and the environment from corporate and private predation be removed. It also fulfills the longer term goal of the arch-conservatives of destroying the law in general. Every regulatory decision will now have to go to a Congress with a 14% approval rating. It also leads to their goals of ending Social Security, Medicare and the IRS so they don’t have to pay taxes anymore.
The decision to overturn Roe should be called the "Evangelical Bribe". Overturning it showed the complete dishonesty and agenda of the court. If you listen to them, their goals include a nationwide ban on abortion, banning contraception, banning gay marriage, banning interracial marriage, religion in public schools.
The immunity decision is the worst. It is to prepare for a king. They know that Biden will never grab the power they have given, but they also know that Trump will. We know that Trump knows no law and now this is to tell him that there is no law above him. We know his nature. It's evil.
This court is not just radical, but with these decisions they have dropped their mask and shown their goal. It's not about Trump anymore. It's about the forces that want to destroy America and have a king. Trump, for all his evil, is just a face on it. They figure they have a good king for their plans. Behind this is something bigger than Trump. The gloves are off. This is about a large scale, long planned, conservative effort to take over of America and if you want America to continue you better plan for a fight, because they have planned for decades, and the skirmishes are over. They have started a war on America. You have no choice now but to pick a side. Fight or be a slave.
President Biden wants to take the high ground. I understand that, but I do recall that the main message of Machiavelli that if your opponent lowers themselves morally, you must be able to match that immorality or you will lose. I’m not sure taking the high ground will work. The idea of waiting for the election to determine the outcome of this would be nice, except the SCOTUS is not done and fully plans to insure the outcome of the election.
If you don’t think the SCOTUS can prevent the Jan. 6 hearing, don’t bet on it.
Someone on another forum suggested Jack Smith go on TV and present all his evidence to the American people. I like it. Why not go around the powers that be and talk directly to the voters?
The right wingers own almost all of the media…this would not be accepted. The media is a massive part of the problem. They are complicit with the Fascists!
Isn’t there a heavy neoliberal element on corporate media too? Mostly a PR campaign for the state. Intel agencies etc, invited as analysts to report themselves ..
Also, as a security professional, let me remind you that **all doors open both ways.**
Hence my stipulation that pulling it off would necessitate a bunch of _women,_ who collectively have never been exactly welcome at the neolib party, outside of a token handful.
Neo liberal means far right. That's what I said. A bit confused on the comment.
You could build a rock-solid left wing media machine if the organization doing so was primarily made up of women.
I wonder if this could work. Air America failed. Right-wing media seems to succeed because it builds outrage. What would keep viewers/readers/listeners glued do you think?
What do liberals love? Feeling righteous. We also love punching up and "direct action." A news platform that integrated individually actionable stuff would be incredibly effective.
I like it!
Then fight back. Much of this election battle is now on social media and anyone interested can play. I mostly just paste things from the lib-talk.com website. It is meant as ammo for the battles on social media. Maga wilts in the face of truth. Just go to any media with comments sections and paste responses to the insipid Maga comments.
Frankly, I don’t listen to any right wing stations that are commonly referred to as MSM. They are nothing of the sort. I get my news from Free Speech tv & other reliable sources. But the population that needs to hear some level of truth don’t use the left wing sites.
But not on FB. I posted a Michael Shellenberger article on it today and it was removed. Substack and others are ok, FB is not useful for sharing anything difficult
It's a great place for recon and oppo, tho.
YouTube then.
Not a bad idea. In addition, The guilty among the Supremes should be arrested
for Sedition, treason, etc. The current president can order their arrests.
I'd like to see Sotomayor become the new chief justice.
Absolutely right - Trump is the dope, the real power is behind him.
And they are armed to the teeth
In hind site, and thanks to this forum, this idiocy about guns has been part of the plan all along.
We are in deep trouble.
No we're not. Texan Democrats are still Texans. We just don't brandish that shit like Republicans, which fools everyone, all the time. 😉
Sorry. I always think of the arsenals that folks are amassing. Do we all have to be so heavily armed? Anyway, quite right, I will be more careful w my generalizations.
Yeah, the wing nuts are scary :( it helps to understand that so much of Texas is remote and entirely wild, hence the need for firearms for the fauna - mountain lions, rattlesnakes, and Republican vigilantes LARPing at the border
Hell yea
We need to stop anymore heads from growing back on the snake if indeed something may happen trumphole -Oh GOD forbid , 🙏👏🤨🤡
Not a king…a dictator for life.
Dictators to the second or third generation, from the way he treats his daughter and son-in-law.
Some sound bites:
Overturning the Chevron Doctrine is our "Empower the Oligarch's" decision
The Oligarchs overturned Roe c. Wade to compensate the Evangelicals for their poverty.
Vote the content of one's character, not the promises of the candidate.
Biden trumps Trump on character.
Excellent sound bites, all. I like your last one the best.
I agree. Just don't bring a knife to a gunfight, and this is a gunfight.
Bring a typewriter to this gunfight. And a radio.
OK so the gloves are off. Game plan, please! Who are the reasonable people in the media who can get out the message loud and clear? We must appeal to them. Washington Post. Boston Globe. etc.
No, the battle is now on social media and anyone interested can play. I mostly just paste things from the lib-talk.com website. I wish they would update it, but it is meant as ammo for the battles on social media. Maga wilts in the face of truth.
I don't think they wilt. Ever. I think they are energized. They think they have the truth so hearing actual truth means nothing to them. At any rate any of the MAGAts I've confronted.
We are part of Social Media.
What social media? I had a pretty good following on Twitter, but I got off it when Elon bought it. Unfortunately, not enough others did, and even though he calls it "X," people still say, "the website formerly known as Twitter."
Do I need to go back on that tRump supporter's website? What about Threads? Anyone on that?
There's mastodon, but that was developed by developers for developers and it shows.
Yeah, I'm a computer moron, so that wouldn't be very helpful. Maybe I'll try Truth Social. It doesn't help talking in the echo chamber. Maybe I can get through to someone on there.
Any social media site where Maga go. Just go to any media with comments sections and paste responses to the insipid Maga comments. Now if you have the nerve, take them on on Twittrer or go to Truth Social. Just take on the maga lies. They must be answered with truth and you can just pate it instead of taking the time to write it. Bomb them with truth.
Rolling Stone. Mother Jones, Huffpo, The Guardian, Al Jazeera.
The AP.
I'm going to write them today! Thanks!
True.
Very clearly stated, and sadly agree. This has been planned for a very long time. :(((
Agree! On all points!
Even before this SCOTUS b.s. happened, Symone Sanders Townsend said that while Michelle Obama says, "We go high when they go low," she (Symone) prefers, "When they go low, we go toe-to-toe." We need to prove that democracy matters to us. I would fight to the death for my children. If the Dems told me to go to Maryland and protest outside of Kavanaugh's house, I'd do it; if the told me to go to Michigan to hold signs, I'd do it; if they told me to go to Mississippi to register voters, I'd do it; but for god's sake, they gotta tell us something, and more importantly - THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!
The need to re-run the J6 hearings during prime time in August; Judge Chutkan can allow cameras in her courtroom and have an evidentiary hearing AND HAVE IT ON TV!
Do what I do. Go to lib-talk.com and follow the instructions. It says how to fight the battle where much of it is fought, on social media. It gives the ammunition. The site is very interesting.
I sent an email asking them to update it and it has been some, but it needs more.
Thanks, I'll do it!
I think you're mostly right; part of this is ideologueism. But part of this just the incompetence, short-sightedness, and plain stupidity of Roberts and his court.
Isn’t it also treason against the Constitution?
Is this not a TRUE Constitutional crisis?
Must not this be CONFRONTED?
It's not treason, it's just incorrect.
Well said. The guilty among the Supremes should be arrested for Sedition, treason, etc. The current president can order their arrests.
I'd like to see Sotomayor become the new chief justice.
MikeyB, what you are proposing is tempting but is terrible. Have more trust in the American voter! If the worst comes to pass a general, peaceful strike would be a very powerful weapon, and it would preserve the Constitution..
Prevent the Jan 6th hearing? Really? There is no response to this clueless statement
Agree. I think you are on to something much larger.
Hah! Banning interracial marriage? Guess old porn pervert Clarence will have to break his vows to his fat sloppy, piggy, disgusting "wife"/INSURRECTIONIST --PLOTTING, TRAITOROUS, TREASONOUS WHITE _ _ _ _ _ SELLOUT TO THE EXTREME RIGHT AND THE SLIMEY MAGGOT! (GO GET HER, JUSTICE . . . PREPARE THE FIRING SQUAD! LET'S MAKE HER THE PRIME EXAMPLE!)