Friends, I’m no fan of secret recordings designed to entrap public officials into saying things they’d rather not have the public hear, but Justice Samuel Alito’s remarks to filmmaker Lauren Windsor at the Supreme Court Historical Society dinner on June 3 — released today — confirm everything I assumed about Alito’s approach to the law.
Whether or not Justice Alito’s wife is a Ginnie Thomas acolyte and culpable in this flag business, it still does not excuse that black-robed wuss from blaming his wife for his own ugly behavior.
cf.: Project Veritas. Paybacks are hell, and they can happen at any time. "Anything they can do, we can do better; we can do anything better than they." 🎼🎶🎵
Facists , aka Catholics "genocides" since Pope Innocence I 1300 and Ii 1400s make abundantly clear the Rights OF Man & French aristocracy loosing their heads over it is an improvement.
that said ....after funding the Colonists : a carve up BY Rome , then Catholic Rome Pope, under the " genocide " just war" ....not international law , by the way,.
Because the French Monarchy hated the British....ala Henry the VIii , after Martin Luther
learned to read Ancient Greek and Aramedic and published Bibles in languages anyone literate could read
96 points Martin Luther nailed to the door of his Catholic Church NOT consistent with the Bible.
Fast forward to the current Nuevo Nutsy psuedo religiousitic propaganda Not to profit corporation & Rico fraud brand inc traitors in greed orgy over free pollution and " worried about future Mothers" and just up in your guts roaming around looking for cash cash cash from conception to post mortem trinkets ...it's safe to say Individual rights of a child orvan adult are in step with the concept of Life Liberty Freedom and Justice for All.
What a nicely tossed salad of nonsensical verbiage ! Did you use the latest version of ChatGTP to generate this ? If so, I’m afraid all the hype about generative AI is just a pile of hooey.
Sorry, I thought that your comment was written by a robot, not a person. I did not intend my admittedly sarcastic comment to give offense, but I will stand by my “word salad” inference; what you posted needed review and editing in order for us poor mortals to understand the point you are trying to make.
FYI I don’t think the reference to barfing was relevant, nor the harassment charge appropriate. We are all guests here and all trying to let our voices and opinions be heard, therefore it behooves us to do a quick edit before posting. Heaven knows we all miss a few typos or skipped words — count me in as a frequent offender — but reading over and making a tweak here and there can make all the difference.
Are you projecting harassing ? How about you take your comments to a qualified therapist to discuss your urges to diminish others. Might reorient your focus upon what you do do and interrupt your abuse toward others who have anything to say you " can not understand"..
Your feigned courtesy phrases and slang reference to anal oral sex " tossed salad" in lue of sober attention ARE harassment . Check yourself . Check your verbal abuse on line. Stop harassing people..
It's very difficult to understand what you have said here. People who don't carefully edit themselves before posting should not be wasting others' time. If what you are saying is not important enough to make it CLEAR for everyone else to read, then please don't take up the space.
It is not Catholics; it is the Catholic Church in America - that leadership which disses Pope Francis and Jesus as too woke. Most regular Catholics do not agree with the Catholic Church of America's leadership which is way too far right.
Freedom to live your live, but in the ways that they want you to live. So basically no freedom at all. I read Mike Johnson's gov. website and saw key words to show the true meaning behind the lies all lies!
True but it isn’t the wives who write the opinions - it’s the Justices themselves. Blaming the wives is a nonsense. That said, I agree that any public and political opinion voiced by them is improper given the positions of their spouses and they all know this. They all need to learn the term “no comment”.
Actions speak louder than words, & the wives are all action: assisting in the plotting of an insurrection & turnover of election results, flying flags upside down & insurrectionist flags & getting into squabbles with their neighbors,
I do believe in my heart of hearts without knowing her that Martha Ann is a force to be reckoned with and as wicked as they come. Somehow living with each other, they feed themselves a constant diet of bitterness and hatred of the “common people” until it just becomes second nature. In days gone by, when the point came that the job was disliked more than liked, the justice retired but alas, in this case, the power has consumed Alito’s soul and he is corrupted to the core. As is Martha Ann for reasons I can only suspect.
What is of interest , though not shocking , is how superior and condescending these people are . The Supreme Courts cavalier Catholic Judges really believe that they are and know better than those that don’t share their beliefs.
I was raised Catholic, attending Catholic schools through 12 th grade . But the most sinister interpretations of Catholicism ( or misinterpretations ) seem to be held by the Leonard Leo’s and Samuel Alitos of this world .
There confusion about Catholicism and Christianity has much to do with being wealthy in their minds. As taught by Leonard Leo et al .
The fact is , that based on the life of Jesus , wealth was not a part of Christianity. In fact , humility and compassion and caring were attitudes of Jesus .
However , at this time we follow the Roman Catholic tradition of the papal delegations who were all wealthy politicians and leaders .
Many of them profoundly corrupt , yet we still ‘buy it ‘ .
Not all Catholics were wealthy , obviously . Those that were in charge of dogma were mostly wealthy.
They were hand in hand with feudal lords, aristocracy .
In fact the whole idea of confession , began in the Middle Ages as a way of finding out what the common people were up to . Since paranoia always affects those that are looking down on the not haves , expecting rebellion .
Raised catholic also but too many things had to be taken on Faith not FACT and I left. And those who really believe all the myths scorn those who have doubts and questions. Religious people should not let their beliefs cloud their judgement in legal matters. This is not a religious nation. It is a nation of many beliefs or none at all.
1. Religion belongs in the realm of personal belief and is not in any way binding on anyone who does not hold to those religious tenets. We are guaranteed FREEDOM OF RELIGION and therefore we are FREE FROM OTHER PEOPLES RELIGION.
2. Ideologues and religion warriors should be removed from the Supreme Court if and/ or when they show that they allow their personal bias to dictate their interpretation of the Constitution and how it is applied.
Rhode Island was pre-founded in the 17th century by Roger Williams, a staunch advocate for religious freedom and the separation of church and state. The first settlers came here to escape religious persecution. The first line of the first amendment to the Constitution says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." America was founded on freedom of religion and the separation of church and state. How come we don't talk about this when the MAGA extremists and the Project 2025 authors are saying the opposite? When the Supreme Court is imposing idiosyncratic religious values on 350 million people who don't share them? We are not a Christian nation! We are the opposite. Christians are as welcome as the next group. But no more than that. Is it collective amnesia? Fear of contradicting what extremists say? Apathy? Why is no one talking about the basic contravention of American values MAGA followers represent?
We really need to stop using the Pilgrims coming here to "escape religious persecution" as an example of the non-secular nature of our Constitution, because the Pilgrims were also known at the Puritans. Their religious beliefs and practices were too extreme for the UK, which is what caused their persecution. They fled the UK _because they were religious extremists._ They fully wanted a country founded on their religious beliefs, and the Puritanical streak is pervades a lot of legal thought today...just look at so-called "Blue laws," prevalence of "abstinence only" education, and the absolutely apoplectic reaction to a woman's uncovered nipple. Those are directly from the Puritanical beliefs, and are still being justified today.
Thanks for saying that because it's true. But how do we then deal with that predilection? Maybe just note it and take it into consideration when giving opinions.
I would say we deal with it just as I said - stop saying that the "first settlers" came here for religious freedom. Acknowledge the actual facts, and dispute the mythology that has grown up around our history. In fact, the "first settlers" weren't the Pilgrims at all, but by the records we have were Spaniards and French attempting to colonize over a full century before the Pilgrims landed in 1620.
Then, confront the mythological "fleeing religious persecution" (which was accurate) "for religious freedom" (which was not) with the facts I mentioned above. Point out that it wasn't until Jamestown in 1607 that the British even had a permanent colony in the US (discounting Roanoke in 1585, as we can discount the earliest failed colonies of other nations), and were well predated by Spanish, French, and Portuguese settlers and explorers in the mid to late 1500s. In fact, the only reason we talk about the Pilgrims at all is in the context of the religion they brought, and have been trying to force down everyone's throats since then...education is how we deal with this. Maybe, eventually, the Pilgrims will become nothing more than the footnote in history they actually were, rather than a major driving group of the creation of the US.
Good point! Might also point out how backward theocracies are. The Middle Ages aka Medieval Age aka Dark Ages was a long period -- close to a millennium -- of retrogression in humanity, science, medicine, knowledge, welfare & the human condition until the Renaissance, because of Catholic rule & the feudal system. Islamic theocracies are likewise backwards in many ways, even though many are oil rich countries. The most advanced countries are all secular & mostly multicultural with freedom of religion, & not ruled by religious or ideological dogma.
Williams believed that preventing error in religion was impossible, for it required people to interpret God’s law, and people would inevitably err. He therefore concluded that government must remove itself from anything that touched upon human beings’ relationship with God. A society built on the principles Massachusetts espoused would lead at best to hypocrisy, because forced worship, he wrote, “stincks in God’s nostrils.” At worst, such a society would lead to a foul corruption—not of the state, which was already corrupt, but of the church.
It’s a great question. I think it’s a serious and truthful response. Many of these religious insisters don’t know much about Democracy, and what it stands for.
I think they operate so often in their own reality , embossed w ‘make believe’ (which I would call lies) . Look at their leader, Trump. He lies about everything , so why not lie abt his beliefs. I’m sorry I believe not one word of his alleged Christian Rants. Just not true.
Patricia Lane - I also was raised catholic. i learned later in life that catholicism was made the church of the roman empire in 313 AD. The collusion between upper hierarchy and gov't stole billions of dollars and squandered millions of lives in pursuit of wealth and power. theocracy never works, except for those at the top. recently i was reading acts of the apostles. turns out the early churches were communal, resources were shared amongst the members. it's a very instructive chapter in the new testament. i recommend it to all "christians".
Books have been written about the fall of the Roman Empire, but it never fell, it just changed it's nature from the secular to the sectarian, and it lives on still dominating the cultures that it conquered., instead of an emperor with a shield and sword, you have a Pope with a Chi Rho.
I am harassing no one, lady. (And learn how to spell that word first, before you accuse someone of it! Touche! 😏 Smirk!) If I am sick of the comments I am trying to read being interrupted repeatedly by someone's uninteresting diatribe, then I WILL say something about it! It's none of your damned business!
Your uninteresting verbalizations criticizing "people" particularly as if what ever you think about is somehow part of exploring topics .You do that over and over on and on. What you appear to lack , besides comprehension skills, is ability to stay on topic.
It's the internet and you did this to me over and over and over and I am making sure you are not misunderstanding that behavior is what is called harassment. It's not on topic. It's not about what you " try" to read...it's about gripping about other people expressed idea and critising them for having contributing input.. Might want to stop.
I did it to you "over and over and over"? Methinks you do exaggerate a bit, lady!
I can write . . .
unfortunately, there are too many people who didn't pay attention in school and therefore can't! It's bothersome to me how uneducated so many Americans are! DON'T CONTACT ME AGAIN!!
Studying at some point the obvious becomes the ancient Roman and ancient Greek had the rapegod stories.
God mortal " children"
And wanted their taxes for Caesar
They wanted the slaves behavior pinned to the carrot of after life
Even if the mere mortals did notice they were enslaved
Also the tales of yesteryears spelled to the type of person who could feel relieved their behavior no matter what it was was dandy cause rape god already killed his own one and only child so that everyone could follow the carrot dangling in the form of after death living forever.
Anyone who can swallow that
whole
Seriously?
Then, turns out, the one and only first century scholar who mentioned J of N was by his contemporaries known to be a liar. And forensic archiologists confirmed he lied more than once on verifiable matters
But that's not all
The first century scholars depictions of architecture were obviously Roman and the "scholar " lived in Rome.
As human knowledge the fixation on centuries old utter nonsense and failing to share human knowledge of all as well as revisiting the same superstitious what have you with no honest appraisal of contemporary known and knowable things is a distraction.
Now is not then
This is not that
And we need to get with better thinking than vague belief on unverifiable nonsense.
People who PRETEND TO BE SCHOLARLY were brought up better than you, obviously. Somewhere your "education" fell by the wayside, since you don't seem capable of writing (and trying to express yourself) for clearer understanding of the reader.
I agree with you. If you are interested in learning about Christians who are pushing back against this nonsense, Faithful America.org has a Zoom this Friday at 3 EST featuring an author who will be speaking about Christian Nationalism, how it got started, where it's headed, and how to push back against it. The Faithful America group will give you a lift and a better understanding of what is going on with these creeps.
I’d rather join a national march on the Mall in DC against Trump. Or follow him in chains and wearing an orange jump suit matching his complexion as he’s frog marched thru NYC to the north shore of the East River and told to swim across to Rikers Island. And stock the river with great whites before he wades in.
Too, too funny! Thank you for the levity! I've been feeling a little "dangerous" in the stuff I've been thinking, but forcing the maggot to swim to Rikers Island thru Great Whites . . . I LOVE IT!!! I pray daily that we'll wake up to breaking news that Trump has dropped dead, except that I quit listening to the news about three weeks ago! Just couldn't stand the toxicity overload anymore! It'll be up to Robert Reich to tell me if it happens! Hah!
I get a lot of email & petitions from them, & they are firmly on the side of separation of church & state & against theocracy. It's the Christian version of the Patriotic Millionaires, who are firmly against this plutocratic, corporatocratic system of extreme inequality.
In the previous Robert Reich column I counted a dozen of the same long, disjointed comment you spammed on us, & I waded through probably less than half the total comments. This time, in a very tiny fraction of the comments, I've seen this same comment about 5 times. It's a good comment, but still most people don't appreciate such spamming of the comment section with the same comment many times.
So give us one line for why you believe "God" exists in the Universe. I don't buy it. Any loving being would NEVER have allowed to go on on this planet the killing, maiming, and murderous wars throughout history, the vileness of certain men toward everyone in their countries, the horrible, terrible slaughter of precious children, rape, constant abuse of women, Black slavery, enslavement of indigenous peoples for eons to extract nations' resources for the greedy, gluttonous theft and use by other nations, desecration of natural resources, desecration of our lands, untold suffering by people down thru the ages . . .
So nobody would THINK of buying one of your hideously boring books on NONOTHEISM (translated, that means NONE-ISM), so you feel it is alright to SPAM Dr. Reich's substack columns with it? Don't you EVER respond! I am reporting you again to the SUBSTACK COMMITTEE. Finding one of your long diatribes in my inbox just now is going to get you removed as a troll. I am not one of the convertible, ying-yang! Having been raised Catholic by an authoritarian nut job father who destroyed my older sister for life, and a completely passive, NO-personality "mother," you can take your "god" and all of your "math equations," and shove it, George!
I really wish that the true Christians would stand up and point to the MAGAS as what they are :"HERETICS":
They do not live by nor do they endorse the Teachings of Jesus Christ. Humility, Compassion, Love of your neighbor... none of that do they illustrate. Their religiosity is one of convenience. They are some of the more dangerous people on Earth, and they will kill Christianity and the Republican Party.
So true!. Heretics and fascists have this in common that a points of view different from their own *must* be absolutely fought and put down, violently if necessary.
That's because they would be hard pressed to explain or even find a convincing argument to support their own point of view. [Most religions are like this, by the way: A religion is a set of beliefs you take ON FAITH.
]Have you noticed that the more outlandish point of view is defended a lot more ferociously that any that one can justify? That, there, is fear, my friend, fear to be undone and have to admit defeat.
Heretics, fascists, and RINOs who’ve lost their ever lovin’ MAGA minds to the self-proclaimed Second Coming, who was “killed” in 2020 but has arisen again.
"Im sure once Alito’s is asked about his response he’ll find a way to blame his wife."
Nah. He'll blame the liberal media for reporting accurately on what he said. After all, to "conservatives" their committing a crime isn't nearly so bad as *pointing out* that they've committed a crime.
He is a spineless coward. Not just a despicable, utterly unqualified, political hack and overall oxygen thief, but so cowardly that he makes up transparent lies to throw his wife under the bus. I guess this is what a "true man" looks like in the right-wing whacko-sphere . . .
I don't know that men need to control their wives. I suspect they might do better by taking a good, hard look in the mirror and see whether they can control themselves.
Roger - Not only is he no man at all but only a woman knows how to put up - and apparently - take down a flag. If he didn’t put up the flag in the first place (with a wink, wink nudge, nudge) I guess he either doesn’t know how to just take it down or he just proved that his wife wears the pants. If he is so proud of his beliefs then he would be a man and own up to it. ;)
This isn’t about a man “controlling” his wife. Women do not need to be controlled. This is about a Supreme Court justice putting his or her foot down when a spouse acts in a way that damages the reputation of that justice and by extension, the Supreme Court. To hold such an elevated position requires a certain amount of dignity and respect for the institution, which is sorely lacking in both the Alito household and the Thomas household.
America is in big trouble then Roger! Males are raised to be uncaring and in order to be intelligent you have to care whether you are right or wrong about everything. The lack lack of having a conscience is the root of all evil, in my humble opinion.
The GOP needs to find a path to Godliness themselves! They act like being greedy, lying, hating, bearing false witness and creating a living hell on Earth is moral! I am pro-choice because I don't want some poor fetus growing up in a living hell ran by a bunch of sadistic lunatics! The right to life ends at birth with these guys and gals!
A priest (and a good friend) once explained the difference between fundamentalist religious belief and the the Christian faith which he held: the one sees God as the Ruler, the “God of laws”, while the other sees God as the God of love. Neither is exclusionary but a mix of the two.
Needless to say, this simple-sounding theoretical construct becomes very complicated when you attempt to apply it to how to live the “good life”.
It is all too easy to condemn the Samuel Alitos of this world as smug and patronizing — I want to avoid making any slurs against his personal beliefs but just suggest that in allowing his legal judgment to be captured by his beliefs is unpardonable in a Supreme Court justice. Alito sits on the Supreme Court but he is not our High Priest.
The main problem with Alito's judgments is not belief but the use of a superficial textualist reading of the Constitution to support his reasoning. Alito is narrow minded, that's the problem.
Trisha, you are wrong. Their belief is that "conception" is a gift from a generous god, and that rejection of this blessing is a mortal sin. I use the word "conception" in quotation marks, because conception is a process, not a single event.
I responded to Susan, who mentioned a lack in overall charitable tendencies in the GOP. As far as matters of the womb go, I did not consider abortion as a choice for myself. However, I do not believe that government should have control over women's medical choices. There are too many variables in such situations.
I suspect you are right about devil worshiping. Take a look at their Orange Jesus. Beware of false profits and take a look at all the profits they will rake in if their Orange one regains the White House. Let's not let that happen.
correction: false PROPHETS . . . Maybe THAT'S WHY the Maggot wears that orange make-up every day! He really is OVERTLY associating himself with the DEVIL! How DID we miss this??
ALL PARTS OF FLORIDA ARE SUPPOSED TO GET FLOODING RAINS THIS WEEK, UP TO 10 INCHES!! MAYBE THE DRENCHING AND FLOODING WILL TAKE TRUMP OUT TO SEA IN ALL THAT WATER! AND I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE ON THE WEATHER MAP THAT QUACK "JUDGE" AILEEN CANNON'S HOME IS RIGHT IN THE PATHWAY!! OMG, HOW I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT AIDING, ABETTING, PROTECTIONIST-OF-TRUMP, OBSTRUCTIONIST EFFING BITCH DROWN! APPARENTLY, NO OTHER OVERSEEING PANEL OF the "justice system" is going to force her off the Documents case!!
They might as well be. What they practice and preach doesn't resemble anything that promotes what most so-called "Christians" would advocate. Their twisted agenda denounces just about everything that's designed to help people but as most of us know, it's only about the GOP zealots, MAGA allies, and their quest for Christo-fascist control.
And for the type of person who pretends their " philontropic donation" the illionaires tax write off tax evasion skeme to promote good will toward a illionaire pimp pedo is " fair" is also a liar
Once the child is born, they couldn't give a shit therefore, so much for pro-life! They are pro fetus but what happens if the fetus is malformed and not viable! They don't care one bit!
I think we need to stop trying to make sense of any of this. We need to concentrate on getting out the vote and pulling back the curtain on these shameless souls.
It makes sense when one looks at profit motives. Guns = money for the gun makers, and their boosters the NRA. With mass shootings and other factors, (like it's illegal to sue gunmakers for the damage easily accessible arms do.). Forced birth makes the control of the production of "human resources" certain, especially important when mass shootings are a thing. Gotta have cheap labor!
Advocating for the unborn is a great way to demonstrate your sanctity. It costs nothing, the unborn ask for no food, shelter or education. They are the perfect vehicle for declaring your holiness.
I personally am advocating for Martians. See how holy I am!
Not only quick to the death penalty, but also absolutely refuse to provide any kind of support for those forced births. Remember this is the same group that wants to gut Medicaid, actively prevents schools from providing lunches during the summer to families in need, and voted to put children back in poverty. It's about controlling women, and it always has been.
Cypher, they want to control men and women, basically all the poor and use them for their cheap labor and entertainment mostly. They may even bring back the Lions and the Colosseum eventually? As long as they are happy, The chosen gods, everyone else can starve!
While you're not wrong, they are specifically crafting these decisions to take away the rights of women and people in marginalized groups at this point in time. The long con is to take away everyone's rights that aren't already part of the ruling class, but they are targeting women, people of color, and the LGBTQIA+ specifically right now. Just like with BLM - yes, all lives matter, but black lives are the ones being specifically affected by the policies and practices the BLM protests were addressing. Your overgeneralizing of the problems being discussed is at best disingenuous, and at worst actively harmful by preventing action because of apathy.
On your second point, they already have the modern "bread and circuses" in place. Just look at how much "reality TV" exists, especially the "audience participation" ones where the people at home can cast meaningless votes as if studio executives would ever allow the unwashed masses to determine any kind of outcome. It serves to keep those masses entertained, and also gives them the illusion of some form of control, while training them to subconsciously expect their vote to not matter. It's truly insidious, if you take the time to look at it with a cynical eye.
The Conservative Christians are alarmed that white people are limiting their family size. They are afraid to be a minority. That is their motivation to take over the government. They are afraid of losing their privilege. They have no concern about overpopulation they are concerned about under population of people whose skin marches theirs. Poor little white supremacists are scared.
What they don’t realize is that many young people see the destruction of our planet and don’t want to bring a child into a world that’s becoming increasingly uninhabitable. It’s a rational and wise decision.
I love my daughter with all my heart but had I known then what is now happening to our planet I wouldn’t have wanted her to inherit this mess. It breaks my heart.
The pain and cruelty we see around the world is mostly due to overpopulation. The migrants who try to enter our country are refugees from overpopulation. Zygote idolatry, like most idolatry, requires human sacrifice.
Oh you're so close, yet so very, very far from truth. The fact is, we already produce more of *everything* than needed to support every single person living today, and then some. It's just more profitable to take the tax breaks and keep up the artificial scarcity than it is to, you know, make sure that it goes to people that need it.
The refugees at our border and there because of US Imperialism and failed foreign policy in the form of Kissinger's ideas of "diplomacy." Not because of overpopulation, but because the US acted to destabilize legitimate governments because those governments were unfriendly to US corporate interests. Ever wondered why they're called "banana republics?" You really should look it up, it would probably be highly educational for you.
We humans are not ants or termites, and there only is so much room in a lifeboat. You may be right, but to be convincing you must provide specific evidence. How about an analysis of what is happening in Sudan right now?
Nope, you don't get to pivot, or shift the burden of proof. You claimed the world is overpopulated. You claimed that migration is driven by this supposed overpopulation. You made the claims, YOU are the one that must provide specific evidence. So where is your proof, that would directly contradict the vast, VAST majority of scientists and actual experts on this subject?
Cypher, your "VAST majority of scientists and actual experts" are likely based in China or Venezuela. Did China and India limit family size at one point because of US imperialism?
You have no answers, so now you turn to xenophobia and hate instead of providing any evidence. Thanks for proving you actually have no arguments, and have no actual clue, but you're gonna spew the hate and fear your fed by whatever propagandists are feeding you.
Exactly. They would just look down their privileged noses and attribute it to original sin. No God in their right mind would inflict unnecessary suffering on people. People, however, are more than happy to do that to one another.
The best explanation about the change of circumstances hygiene , identification and treatment of disease the available human knowledge that does change the our ability to navigate the brief human life span , I found on you tube.
A NYC lawyer hawking pre neptual agreement described our divorce laws as " middle ages technology".
He pointed out the mortality rates of pregnancy, neo natal, mothers in child birth, post partuem infection, childhood diseases and STDs when their was no hygiene or disease identification killed loads of people.
So now where life continues much much more often the serial monogamist has a different set of financial remedies . And more divorce options.
From a different angle now that the role of physical emotional health is in our ability to share everyone alive in the last 121 years witnessed global population doubling while those that could access contemporary reproductive healthcare also navigate their reproductive years with far more awareness and intention .
This is one of the most infuriating aspects of it all. I was a teacher in an inner city school for years. I taught many students who were unhoused and underfed. These « pro-life » politicians never cared about them or their well-being. Absolute hypocrites.
Right on Danielle. Several years ago (pre-Dobbs) I passed by the Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Louis where a large group of anti-choice folks were hogging up the sidewalk. Normally I would just pass on by, but with some time on my hands that day I stopped by to talk with them. My first question to the first group I approached was "Do you all love children?" Everyone answered a very affirmative yes! Next I asked "Then how many unwanted children have each of you adopted?" Of the five or six folks in the group said that they had. Next I reminded them that everyday in the St. Louis area there are about 4,500 children in Children and Family Services ready to be adopted. Check it out. Were they ready to step up to the plate and help these kids? No answer. Had any of them donated money to help these kids? No answer. Had any of them volunteered to help at the various places these children lived? No answer. Stone silence from all of them. Most were wearing crosses and religious clothing and handing out other religious materials. I spoke to them in a very respectful way but I could see that my logic about helping kids was falling on deaf ears and they were mumbling things like liar, liberal, baby killer, etc., etc. I left them with the challenge of what do they think Jesus would do to help those kids? Cheers... GH
Plainly and again the same zealotry attempt to stunt human knowledge and have no clue . " No not what they do" .
Humanity needs to grasp the human knowledge available to have a future because free pollution is life crushing and life in the hive under constant pressure to pay more money is soul crushing.
The belief that a fertilized ovum is a person, as Alito and many other religious folks hold, is part of a dogma inculcated into individuals early in their lives. The dogma is complete and admits no doubt. When doubts emerge, the believer prays for forgiveness and does penance. Justice Alito is a man with a mission, the Constitution be damned. His comment that the 14th Amendment guarantees rights not mentioned in the Constitution is a dangerous subterfuge. It ignores the original intent of the architects of the Constitution, namely, the protection of human rights.
What would they say if every time they produced sperm there should be a human infant that THEY were responsible for?!? Forget College, golf, you name it! and live in poverty where your best chance at making any money is some kind of porn, or any job that few want . No contraceptives allowed! No "Wasting of seed!"
I’ve thought about this often. Can you imagine if that legislation was proposed ? Men would be infuriated and yet they refuse to see any similarity with what they’re suggesting when it comes to controlling women’s bodies.
The fact that implantation occurs in a' womb man's' body , it is on us! We are "it" . And they want to do what has been done for millenia: make it a sacrilege to keep implantation from happening! If it was THEM. ; It would be a sacrament !
Not all men! Just the males that bought into this religious manure. They pretty much buy into everything they want to believe. They are not grounded in reality. It is not actually their fault or even religious women's fault. It is the elders fault for allowing this to happen.
And those who would like to control the production of " Human resources" are in the mix, too. Religion is just a ruse to 😕 confuse! If women want self determination , they're sinners and 😈 evil!!!
For a moment let us consider that a fertilized ovum is a person.
If a person standing in front of you is a threat to your life, you have the right of self-defense. You may shoot that person dead, especially in "stand your ground" states like Florida and Texas.
If a fertilized ovum, a person, is a threat to a woman's life, where is her right of self-defense? Or does the unborn person have the right to kill her?
This is why we need federal legislation recognizing a woman's right to protect her health. We also need federal legislation providing health coverage in child-bearing.
Well said. The Christian Bible says the soul enters the body with the first breath. Not only did Alito get the "deeply rooted in American history" part wrong, he may have gotten the teaching of Christianity wrong as well. A more honest judicial temperament requires that we ask ourself how we know what we think we know and be tolerant of differences rather than arbitrarily elevate our personal opinion above others without evidence or compelling reasons.
Stop reposting this, please… it’s like having to watch the same old 30 second videos infomercial running back to back every five minutes during a tv broadcast.
What most who want to legislate our medical care do not know is ANYTHING about the risks and life threatening emergencies that present in pregnancy. Toxemia, is fatal, for example, but I am not knowledgeable about all the ways that fetuses can be saved, along with the woman carrying them. but such care is not always about abortion, idiotically and tragically, the ignorant are in a position to make decisions that ban all treatment, focusing on "killing babies": Not preventing an unplanned implantation of an 8 celled blastocyst. Not every fertile woman is even a woman, and can be a minor child, not able to support herself or a child, with few legal rights.
Sean Sheeter ; Don't forget the power to rob US with impunity and avoid paying taxes with little to no oversight, getting so wealthy that they can buy our government ; Speakership to "Supreme" court! we can have a convicted felon, who is running the Congress and supreme court, and some lower courts, complete with complicit sycophants in power as office holders, as he avoids going to trial while running for the highest office in the land!!! "Our" government is full of traitors who should be purged with the 14th amendment, section 3 Disqualification clause: but that can't happen as long as the "Supreme " court is criminally ignoring the rule of law by sidestepping our remedy. They free themselves to ruin our Union by destroying Justice, and allowing the coup to continue! If the old but still on the books Insurrection Act can be used by our current legitimate President, this is the time for it, if ever there was! After all, if the "right" can use old anti pornography rules to deny women contraception medication ; why can't the Humans ( as in "The people", not corporations) use an equally old law that is still on the books, to stop an actual coup?
Or, if in an unlikely debate that he actually shows up for. He drools 🤤 and looks and sounds like a fool! My guess is that there will be some last minute "reason" that he can't make it. Same with the second scheduled debate! The biggest loser! And not in a good way!
Those of "The Gay Old Pedophile" party are no longer what I call "normal humans." I feel bad for the ignorant cult members, but they now KNOW their morbidly obese godking is a CIVILY LIABLE RAPIST and a CONVICTED CRIMINAL. (I am 130,000% convinced that Bunkerboy was NEVER an even "normal IQ" individual. He was ALWAYS "exceptional," which replaced the term "retarded" within the past twenty years.)
All this needless drama involving appeasement of an invisible man up in the sky watching and judging everything we do is… it just blows my mind we are at this point after the Hubble telescope.
What is especially troubling about Dobbs is that these Justices testified under oath in their confirnation hearings that Roe was settled law. That's perjury and a basis for impeachment.
They should replay THAT recording on the media. Over and over again to remind everyone what LIARS and Hypocrites they are. There is NO ETHICS in the Supreme Court.
So the secret’s out. Alito was just waiting for a case to discard precedent and his opinion is nothing but rationalizations made to justify his preordained result. He’s an imposter who should be impeached and removed. While that’s not politically possible right now, he can and should be held up to public ridicule daily until he disappears from public life.
Email your Democratic Congress person. Ask them to draw up Articles of Impeachment against Alito and Thomas on the grounds of not upholding the Constitution as written. And to make sure they publicize this action. Nothing will happen this year with the do-nothing 118th Congress, BUT, if publicized it will help some voters realize how important their choice is.
DEM. Rep. Steve Cohen of Tennessee has introduced a resolution to censure Alito before Congress, and he is advertising it. I receive his newsletter. Just so all of you disheartened Dems hear some good news, Rep. Cohen serves the broad Memphis district, and he is the ONLY Dem. left serving in office in the horrible, corrupt, criminal, gun-loving, school-vouchers loving rotten filth that is the RED STATE of Tennessee! You want to know who (not my) Repug rep. MARK GREEN IS CONSORTING WITH?? ERIK PRINCE OF BLACKWATER INFAMY AND HIS "OFF LEASH" HORRIFYING "CHAT" GROUP!! Tennessee is one of the most diabolical states in the Union! Please don't ever bring your tourist dollars here! You could be gunned down in any state park, city park, bar, restaurant, or school in this free-for-all no license/no permitting/no background checks/no testing/no training required/open carry/concealed carry god-awful loser of a state!
Richard Friedman ; " He’s an imposter", and a traitor who violated his oath to the Constitution. Disabled by the 14th amendment section 3, disqualification clause! 'Just' because they want to ignore this does not mean it does not exist! He should be removed from the bench! it is a lie repeated in the media that Supreme Court justices have "lifetime tenure". Only some vague statement about Having "Good behavior", to remain on the bench! Ha!
We agree on this point Laurie, Article III is very vague, it says the justices are appointed; but it doesn't say by whom or how. I says they may keep their position during "good behavior" but give no explanation of their meaning. That it was interpreted to mean lifetime appointments, has no real bearing on terms of appointments. I don't even see the necessity of an Amendment. Articles I and II give exact minimum age, Article III says nothing - heck they could be 10 year olds.
I think we need responsible legislation setting minimum age, terms of service and more important than anything their knowledge of both Constitutional Law and Common Law. If they are going to break precedence fine, but they'd damned well have a logical reason for doing so. Actually Roe v Wade was unconstitutional, Alito was correct, per Amendment X, anything not mentioned in the Constitution nor prohibited by it, is left to the States or the people. However, as I pointed out, abortion is a medical procedure and NO business of the law - except where it concerns malpractice. Since no other medical procedures are listed either in the system of jurisprudence, so, the legal has no right to interfere with medical practice. Period.
Fay Reid ; they 'just' want control, and seem to take money and bribes , you know junkets and gifts in exchange for the verdicts they render, which have so much effect on people's lives. and even violate the Constitution's ban on making religious laws.
Yes, he should be removed. Yes, ethics must apply to SCOTUS. It will take several years to achieve this goal: unfortunately we have to defeat Trump and Trumpists in November. Focus on the election.
Agree on impeachment. But first let’s get majorities in both houses and end Trump’s political career once and for all time by soundly defeating him for the 3rd time!) at the polls.
The point that Alito and the other four out of the other "six" Supreme Court Justices are affiliated with the Catholic Church, as is our President, Joe Biden. But both President Biden and Justice Sotomayor, separate their religious beliefs from their allegiance to the Constitution and to the Country over which said Constitution is supposed to rule.
Alito, Barrett, Kanvanaugh, Roberts, and Thomas seem to feel their religious beliefs are of greater importance than their oath of office to uphold the Constitution of the United States.
Alito is correct, there is NO mention of abortion in the Constitution, nor is there any mention, of appendectomies, tonsilectomies, liver, kidney and heart transplants, nor even vasectomies; and yet they have no objection to any of these MEDICAL procedures. The only medical procedure to which they object is abortion, they CLAIM this rejection is on "moral" (religious) grounds but I and millions of other women see it for what it is: Desire for absolute control over females. They certainly have no concern for the babies, once they are born, tough patooties kid, you're on your own.
Democrats should treat it as that. There is no concern for the possible death, or permanent infertility of a pregnancy gone wrong. The mother died, so sorry, so sad, but that's life.
I'm afraid I'm missing your point Sean. My point is the desire to ban abortion has less to do with their religious beliefs than the misogynistic beliefs - they want absolute control over women, whom they see, as did the Nazis, as baby making factories with no other function.
I have never supported nor voted for any Republican and have campaigned against Nixon and Reagan so I don't believe I'm being hypocritical. I don't think any Republican President, since Theodore Roosevelt has been either good or honest.
I vaguely remember that religious persecution had something to do with the founding of this country. I may be wrong and Justiice Alito can certainly correct me, but aren't we supposed to keep the church out of the government? If he can't tell me, maybe his wife knows.
You are correct Ezekiel, Alito is wrong, Amendment I: first phrase; Congress shall make no law respecting establishment of a religion,................No matter how they try to wist and turn that phrase, it is very obvious to any person with an IQ above 60, the framers did not want a State established religion.
“ The words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the U.S. Constitution, but the concept is enshrined in the very first freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Known as the establishment clause, the opening lines of the First Amendment ...”
Religious persecution...of religious extremists. The Pilgrims were Puritans, and their religious beliefs were too radical and extreme for the UK and Europe, hence where the persecution came in. Not exactly the best example to use for how our country is supposed to be secular and not a theocracy, eh?
I am a 'recovering Catholic'. I had 16 years of education in Catholic institutions. I am a retired primary care MD. I believe I have a moral compass and ethic that has guided me throughout my life. However, I can not understand the hate filled & vindictive thinking of so called conservative Catholics! Jesus Christ was leader for caring for one another. He fed, housed and cured the poor. He would have protested the policies of the current evangelical Catholics and Protestants, and thus been tortured and crucified by these so called Christians.
I was a Catholic in a progressive Parrish, then I found out this was just a group of people who believed in equality, equity, kindness, mercy, compassion, empathy and honesty. When our priest retired, I was on the committee talking to the archdiocese about the kind of priest our community wanted. They gave us the most conservative priest they could, No longer were women welcome to do readings, no inclusive language was allowed, more sermons about hell fire and brimstone, women could no longer give eucharist, and sister Terasita certainly could no longer give the Good Friday sermon, This had been a church that had worked hard to combine a black church with a white church, Many just left. I was one of them, I read more about the churches missionary work, it’s work with indigenous schools, it’s covering up of pedophile priests, its unshared wealth, it’s misogyny, it’s racism. I realized I was drawn to that particular group of people, not the church. My spiritual journey continued to becoming an atheist. Alito’s kind of church is just a tool to control the masses. The words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the U.S. Constitution, but the concept is enshrined in the very first freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Known as the establishment clause, the opening lines of the First Amendment ...
Jeff, unfortunately It just took me a while to get there. What I can stand in awe of is the interdependent symbiotic nature that supports the homeostasis of LIFE on this rare and precious planet. Watching what we have done to it, I think makes man the scariest animal on the planet.
Linda, thank you for sharing your story. I am sure that your parish was not the only place where religious conservatives tried to whip progressive congregations back into submission. It is not at all hard to conclude that such reactionary behavior is at the root of America Catholicism’s declining appeal.
Kavanaugh’s congressional testimony and Coney Barrett’s ramrod confirmation were both unsettling and undermined the court’s legitimacy…but the Alitos and the Thomases are convincing all fair minded people that the SCOTUS is not about fair and unbiased jurisprudence…this court is corrupted….vote because our democracy is being assaulted by rapists and insurrectionist on the bench
I’ve been saying this for a while. We are suffering a slow, painful death, by a thousand judicial cuts.
If Trump wins and republicans retake the senate, it’s game over. Alito, Thomas and Robert’s will retire with golden parachutes by the mid-terms, while a new younger, and more dangerous breed take their place.
I know what you’re thinking: how can they be worse? It’s the MAGAverse, it can always get exponentially worse. There is no bottom, as the most extreme try to outdo each other to earn their anointed one’s affections.
In other words, you are posting spam. Do not reply to my comments unless you have something to say that relates directly to the topic of my original post. I am not interested in your looney, fairy-tale religion. Thank you.
It will take a generation at least to retify this injustice. People on the progressive side fell asleep at the wheel and as a consequence this fundamental right has been rescinded by entrenched extremists on the Court supported by well organized extremists outside the Court. By that time, however, climate change will have eviscerated civilization, thanks largely to the same judical extremists who eviscerated Roe
And they're still asleep at the wheel! The progressives around me don't want to think about the election. They don't want to do anything about Trump. They vote unaffiliated. They balk at the idea that we may no longer have a democracy if Trump wins.
It may take a lot more than a generation, and it may not be confined to the US. For recovery to start, the threat must end, which it has yet to do. If Trump wins in 2024 (as he very well may, and is beating Biden in many polls), the whole world is at risk. And yet, the common man (even the progressive common man) goes on with their daily life. They're frogs in a slow boiling pot.
If they were simply asleep at the wheel, they would have corrected course after the 1000 times they hit the rumble strip. Perhaps they're not asleep, and they're actually distracted drivers. Distracted by the ideals of enlightened centrism. Distracted by the persistent malpractice of the post-2007 media landscape. Distracted by the latest shiny political controversy (Gaza). Distracted by their blind trust in the system.
We should be seeing anti-Trump/anti-fascism protests in the streets on a regular basis, but we may not react until it is far too late. Hell, it was probably already too late back in 2008 when everyone saw half the country claiming our (soon to be) first black president was a Muslim from Kenya and brushed it off as a silly little conspiracy theory instead of the nuclear red flag that it should have been.
aptly describes the so-called “progressives” who go all in for this or that catchphrase of the day, but turn against Democratic candidates who are electable but who don’t pass whatever ideological purity test they want to apply. I am speaking about the activists who won’t support Joe Biden because he does/doesn’t back Israel/Palestine sufficiently to meet their criteria. Biden could rightly be called “Average Joe”, but he’s the candidate we’ve got , so unless they are fed up with democracy and the whole doing one’s civic duty and voting thing, they should not equivocate and sit on the sidelines. If Trump gets near the White House again we can kiss democracy goodbye.
Honestly, I think religious people probably shouldn’t serve. Not if they plan to put their religion above the law. They should seek leadership in their religion instead.
I disagree, Michelle, there are far more Americans that believe in some form of god than there are like me, a non-theist. Joe Biden is also a devout Catholic, do you see him trying to thrust religion down our throats? Or Jack Kennedy either. So long as people treat their religious beliefs as personal, there is no problem. It's only those who must have validation of their personal beliefs that cause the problem.
You are correct Fay, because there is no one less religious than Donald Trump. Everyone knows its a facade. It isn't even a very good fake. Can't name a bible verse, or even a book, doesn't go to church except to rally for votes and ask for money. Then there are strong, humble servants like Jimmy Carter. Joe Biden. Raphael Warnock.
Fay ; or those who take gifts (bribes ) from billionaires who want to incite religious wars and other culture wars to distract from their buying of our government and treasury robbing wealth. They want to have total control of what laws are made including those which allocate power and justice. This is THEIR "heritage" and "Society" .and we are peons! handmaidens and such!
I find the first part of your statement disturbing- I'm glad you qualified it with "not if they plan on putting their religion above the law." Everyone who is elected swears an oath to uphold the law. That means not putting anything- including one's religion- above the law. people of faith have managed to serve without letting it interfere for a long time. Joe Biden, for example, takes a lot of heat because while he personally accepts the church's teaching on abortion, he thinks it should be legal so that every woman can choose for herself.
Correct. But he is unqualified to serve (IMO) because of his BEHAVIOR (of putting his personal religious beliefs above the constitution) Sonia Sotomayor is also Catholic. Ketanji Brown is a Christian. Neither of them put their personal religious beliefs above the constitution. If someone believed that dogs were inherently equal to humans and, as a judge ruled that way on the bench they would be unqualified to serve BECAUSE OF THEIR BEHAVIOR. If on the other hand they believed that, but didn't put that belief above the constitution, it wouldn't disqualify them from serving.
Concerning the upside down flag, if Alito had initially said "regardless of your political leaning all Americans should see Jan 6th as an offense, and that's why my wife flew the flag upside down", I would have considered that reasonable, but blaming it on a confrontation with a neighbor that we now find out happened weeks later shows that he was covering up the true reason, and through all this controversy he hasn't disavowed the insurrection, so it seems inescapable that he must support it. Alito should be impeached.
GG I have some disagreement with your reasoning but not with your conclusion; yes, Alito must be removed, but let’s get Biden re-elected and gain majorities in House and Senate first.
It is unlikely an impeachment would be successful without Democratic majority and his refraining from saying that he doesn't support the insurrection in and of itself probably isn't enough to find him guilty, but if he didn't support the insurrection it would seem obvious to just say that early on. This isn't like proclaiming your position on abortion, trying to overturn a the certification of the electoral college count is as blatant a violation of the constitution as there can be. He either lied about the reason for the flag or displayed enough confusion to doubt his capacity to remain a member of the court. The investigation that an impeachment is would likely bring out more evidence, but yes, regardless what it brings out the GOP won't vote to convict.
Im sure once Alito’s is asked about his response he’ll find a way to blame his wife.
Whether or not Justice Alito’s wife is a Ginnie Thomas acolyte and culpable in this flag business, it still does not excuse that black-robed wuss from blaming his wife for his own ugly behavior.
Spot on, Ilene!
Seems to be the trend of right wingers, doesn’t it?
Family values!
In response to john Taylor re. Right wingers blaming their wives for their own bad behavior: That’s “family values” for ya
Yes, keep it in the family. I blame my cat all the time for everything!
cf.: Project Veritas. Paybacks are hell, and they can happen at any time. "Anything they can do, we can do better; we can do anything better than they." 🎼🎶🎵
Facists , aka Catholics "genocides" since Pope Innocence I 1300 and Ii 1400s make abundantly clear the Rights OF Man & French aristocracy loosing their heads over it is an improvement.
that said ....after funding the Colonists : a carve up BY Rome , then Catholic Rome Pope, under the " genocide " just war" ....not international law , by the way,.
Because the French Monarchy hated the British....ala Henry the VIii , after Martin Luther
learned to read Ancient Greek and Aramedic and published Bibles in languages anyone literate could read
96 points Martin Luther nailed to the door of his Catholic Church NOT consistent with the Bible.
Fast forward to the current Nuevo Nutsy psuedo religiousitic propaganda Not to profit corporation & Rico fraud brand inc traitors in greed orgy over free pollution and " worried about future Mothers" and just up in your guts roaming around looking for cash cash cash from conception to post mortem trinkets ...it's safe to say Individual rights of a child orvan adult are in step with the concept of Life Liberty Freedom and Justice for All.
And name the " religion" is very much NOT.
What a nicely tossed salad of nonsensical verbiage ! Did you use the latest version of ChatGTP to generate this ? If so, I’m afraid all the hype about generative AI is just a pile of hooey.
Only you can select to stop barfing in your head . Do. Thanks in advance.
Stop harassing people .Verbage perv.
Sorry, I thought that your comment was written by a robot, not a person. I did not intend my admittedly sarcastic comment to give offense, but I will stand by my “word salad” inference; what you posted needed review and editing in order for us poor mortals to understand the point you are trying to make.
FYI I don’t think the reference to barfing was relevant, nor the harassment charge appropriate. We are all guests here and all trying to let our voices and opinions be heard, therefore it behooves us to do a quick edit before posting. Heaven knows we all miss a few typos or skipped words — count me in as a frequent offender — but reading over and making a tweak here and there can make all the difference.
O? Being wrong and harassing people to stimulate your regurge of slightly veiled sexual aggression and that habit pattern of tell to do.
Remember grade K? " Don't worry about what your neighbor is doing . Worry about what you are doing".
Here's mud in your eye bummer boy. Keep it zipped.
Remember to wash
Your tripe barf and regurge is stale and way behind the crowd kicking cans.Which if you want to be useful you can pick up all by yourself.
Looks like your issues are a lot more complex than syntax. Good luck to you. Over and out.
Are you projecting harassing ? How about you take your comments to a qualified therapist to discuss your urges to diminish others. Might reorient your focus upon what you do do and interrupt your abuse toward others who have anything to say you " can not understand"..
Your feigned courtesy phrases and slang reference to anal oral sex " tossed salad" in lue of sober attention ARE harassment . Check yourself . Check your verbal abuse on line. Stop harassing people..
As you were.
Wow. So much for intelligent discourse. Robert Reich, please pause this persons access, thank you.
It's very difficult to understand what you have said here. People who don't carefully edit themselves before posting should not be wasting others' time. If what you are saying is not important enough to make it CLEAR for everyone else to read, then please don't take up the space.
But then you did not and you wasted space AGAIN
Better luck next time Klare,K?
It is not Catholics; it is the Catholic Church in America - that leadership which disses Pope Francis and Jesus as too woke. Most regular Catholics do not agree with the Catholic Church of America's leadership which is way too far right.
Exactly 💯
Freedom to live your live, but in the ways that they want you to live. So basically no freedom at all. I read Mike Johnson's gov. website and saw key words to show the true meaning behind the lies all lies!
Well, Lauren also has recorded his wife at this event. She is a nasty piece of work.
Both Thomas’s and Alito’s wives have a bit of unabashed privilege showing through don’t they?
Interesting that it's the wives of the two judges who are highly unethical.
Those judges feel just like their wives do, and they have difficulty hiding their unethical and very partisan leanings.
And I bet have big influence on them in many ways. Darling I hate abortion so you would not vote to keep it would you???
True but it isn’t the wives who write the opinions - it’s the Justices themselves. Blaming the wives is a nonsense. That said, I agree that any public and political opinion voiced by them is improper given the positions of their spouses and they all know this. They all need to learn the term “no comment”.
Actions speak louder than words, & the wives are all action: assisting in the plotting of an insurrection & turnover of election results, flying flags upside down & insurrectionist flags & getting into squabbles with their neighbors,
They both have too much rope to hang their husbands with, and they have.
I do believe in my heart of hearts without knowing her that Martha Ann is a force to be reckoned with and as wicked as they come. Somehow living with each other, they feed themselves a constant diet of bitterness and hatred of the “common people” until it just becomes second nature. In days gone by, when the point came that the job was disliked more than liked, the justice retired but alas, in this case, the power has consumed Alito’s soul and he is corrupted to the core. As is Martha Ann for reasons I can only suspect.
What is of interest , though not shocking , is how superior and condescending these people are . The Supreme Courts cavalier Catholic Judges really believe that they are and know better than those that don’t share their beliefs.
I was raised Catholic, attending Catholic schools through 12 th grade . But the most sinister interpretations of Catholicism ( or misinterpretations ) seem to be held by the Leonard Leo’s and Samuel Alitos of this world .
There confusion about Catholicism and Christianity has much to do with being wealthy in their minds. As taught by Leonard Leo et al .
The fact is , that based on the life of Jesus , wealth was not a part of Christianity. In fact , humility and compassion and caring were attitudes of Jesus .
However , at this time we follow the Roman Catholic tradition of the papal delegations who were all wealthy politicians and leaders .
Many of them profoundly corrupt , yet we still ‘buy it ‘ .
Not all Catholics were wealthy , obviously . Those that were in charge of dogma were mostly wealthy.
They were hand in hand with feudal lords, aristocracy .
In fact the whole idea of confession , began in the Middle Ages as a way of finding out what the common people were up to . Since paranoia always affects those that are looking down on the not haves , expecting rebellion .
As they should expect.
Raised catholic also but too many things had to be taken on Faith not FACT and I left. And those who really believe all the myths scorn those who have doubts and questions. Religious people should not let their beliefs cloud their judgement in legal matters. This is not a religious nation. It is a nation of many beliefs or none at all.
I absolutely agree . No Religion is or should be associated with this Country . See the Constitution.
Agreed. Two points:
1. Religion belongs in the realm of personal belief and is not in any way binding on anyone who does not hold to those religious tenets. We are guaranteed FREEDOM OF RELIGION and therefore we are FREE FROM OTHER PEOPLES RELIGION.
2. Ideologues and religion warriors should be removed from the Supreme Court if and/ or when they show that they allow their personal bias to dictate their interpretation of the Constitution and how it is applied.
Rhode Island was pre-founded in the 17th century by Roger Williams, a staunch advocate for religious freedom and the separation of church and state. The first settlers came here to escape religious persecution. The first line of the first amendment to the Constitution says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." America was founded on freedom of religion and the separation of church and state. How come we don't talk about this when the MAGA extremists and the Project 2025 authors are saying the opposite? When the Supreme Court is imposing idiosyncratic religious values on 350 million people who don't share them? We are not a Christian nation! We are the opposite. Christians are as welcome as the next group. But no more than that. Is it collective amnesia? Fear of contradicting what extremists say? Apathy? Why is no one talking about the basic contravention of American values MAGA followers represent?
We really need to stop using the Pilgrims coming here to "escape religious persecution" as an example of the non-secular nature of our Constitution, because the Pilgrims were also known at the Puritans. Their religious beliefs and practices were too extreme for the UK, which is what caused their persecution. They fled the UK _because they were religious extremists._ They fully wanted a country founded on their religious beliefs, and the Puritanical streak is pervades a lot of legal thought today...just look at so-called "Blue laws," prevalence of "abstinence only" education, and the absolutely apoplectic reaction to a woman's uncovered nipple. Those are directly from the Puritanical beliefs, and are still being justified today.
Thanks for saying that because it's true. But how do we then deal with that predilection? Maybe just note it and take it into consideration when giving opinions.
I would say we deal with it just as I said - stop saying that the "first settlers" came here for religious freedom. Acknowledge the actual facts, and dispute the mythology that has grown up around our history. In fact, the "first settlers" weren't the Pilgrims at all, but by the records we have were Spaniards and French attempting to colonize over a full century before the Pilgrims landed in 1620.
Then, confront the mythological "fleeing religious persecution" (which was accurate) "for religious freedom" (which was not) with the facts I mentioned above. Point out that it wasn't until Jamestown in 1607 that the British even had a permanent colony in the US (discounting Roanoke in 1585, as we can discount the earliest failed colonies of other nations), and were well predated by Spanish, French, and Portuguese settlers and explorers in the mid to late 1500s. In fact, the only reason we talk about the Pilgrims at all is in the context of the religion they brought, and have been trying to force down everyone's throats since then...education is how we deal with this. Maybe, eventually, the Pilgrims will become nothing more than the footnote in history they actually were, rather than a major driving group of the creation of the US.
Yes, education. Agreed.
Good point! Might also point out how backward theocracies are. The Middle Ages aka Medieval Age aka Dark Ages was a long period -- close to a millennium -- of retrogression in humanity, science, medicine, knowledge, welfare & the human condition until the Renaissance, because of Catholic rule & the feudal system. Islamic theocracies are likewise backwards in many ways, even though many are oil rich countries. The most advanced countries are all secular & mostly multicultural with freedom of religion, & not ruled by religious or ideological dogma.
Williams believed that preventing error in religion was impossible, for it required people to interpret God’s law, and people would inevitably err. He therefore concluded that government must remove itself from anything that touched upon human beings’ relationship with God. A society built on the principles Massachusetts espoused would lead at best to hypocrisy, because forced worship, he wrote, “stincks in God’s nostrils.” At worst, such a society would lead to a foul corruption—not of the state, which was already corrupt, but of the church.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/god-government-and-roger-williams-big-idea-6291280/
It’s a great question. I think it’s a serious and truthful response. Many of these religious insisters don’t know much about Democracy, and what it stands for.
I think they operate so often in their own reality , embossed w ‘make believe’ (which I would call lies) . Look at their leader, Trump. He lies about everything , so why not lie abt his beliefs. I’m sorry I believe not one word of his alleged Christian Rants. Just not true.
If my browser would permit. I would like, a lot.
Patricia Lane - I also was raised catholic. i learned later in life that catholicism was made the church of the roman empire in 313 AD. The collusion between upper hierarchy and gov't stole billions of dollars and squandered millions of lives in pursuit of wealth and power. theocracy never works, except for those at the top. recently i was reading acts of the apostles. turns out the early churches were communal, resources were shared amongst the members. it's a very instructive chapter in the new testament. i recommend it to all "christians".
Books have been written about the fall of the Roman Empire, but it never fell, it just changed it's nature from the secular to the sectarian, and it lives on still dominating the cultures that it conquered., instead of an emperor with a shield and sword, you have a Pope with a Chi Rho.
well said. thank you.
They believe that god made them wealthy.
Don’t worry. They’ll get theirs when they approach St. Peter at the Pearly Gates and he asks what good did they do in their lives. Admission refused.
Hah!
I thought that was a Protestant line.
I, too, attended 12 years of Catholic school. Given the chance I tell people that 12 years of “schooling” ruined me on religion.
Stop repeating this! We GET IT ALREADY!! Why do you keep repeating it?? Stop taking up space!!
Harrassment again KlareK.
Need an 800# ?
I am harassing no one, lady. (And learn how to spell that word first, before you accuse someone of it! Touche! 😏 Smirk!) If I am sick of the comments I am trying to read being interrupted repeatedly by someone's uninteresting diatribe, then I WILL say something about it! It's none of your damned business!
Your uninteresting verbalizations criticizing "people" particularly as if what ever you think about is somehow part of exploring topics .You do that over and over on and on. What you appear to lack , besides comprehension skills, is ability to stay on topic.
It's the internet and you did this to me over and over and over and I am making sure you are not misunderstanding that behavior is what is called harassment. It's not on topic. It's not about what you " try" to read...it's about gripping about other people expressed idea and critising them for having contributing input.. Might want to stop.
I did it to you "over and over and over"? Methinks you do exaggerate a bit, lady!
I can write . . .
unfortunately, there are too many people who didn't pay attention in school and therefore can't! It's bothersome to me how uneducated so many Americans are! DON'T CONTACT ME AGAIN!!
My assumption is for them Christianity is a convenience, a tool.
Studying at some point the obvious becomes the ancient Roman and ancient Greek had the rapegod stories.
God mortal " children"
And wanted their taxes for Caesar
They wanted the slaves behavior pinned to the carrot of after life
Even if the mere mortals did notice they were enslaved
Also the tales of yesteryears spelled to the type of person who could feel relieved their behavior no matter what it was was dandy cause rape god already killed his own one and only child so that everyone could follow the carrot dangling in the form of after death living forever.
Anyone who can swallow that
whole
Seriously?
Then, turns out, the one and only first century scholar who mentioned J of N was by his contemporaries known to be a liar. And forensic archiologists confirmed he lied more than once on verifiable matters
But that's not all
The first century scholars depictions of architecture were obviously Roman and the "scholar " lived in Rome.
As human knowledge the fixation on centuries old utter nonsense and failing to share human knowledge of all as well as revisiting the same superstitious what have you with no honest appraisal of contemporary known and knowable things is a distraction.
Now is not then
This is not that
And we need to get with better thinking than vague belief on unverifiable nonsense.
Shut up already!!
No KlareK you shut up.
Thanks in advance.
Harassing people is not participating it's obstructing
People who PRETEND TO BE SCHOLARLY were brought up better than you, obviously. Somewhere your "education" fell by the wayside, since you don't seem capable of writing (and trying to express yourself) for clearer understanding of the reader.
No one has to follow an unlawful order.
I agree with you. If you are interested in learning about Christians who are pushing back against this nonsense, Faithful America.org has a Zoom this Friday at 3 EST featuring an author who will be speaking about Christian Nationalism, how it got started, where it's headed, and how to push back against it. The Faithful America group will give you a lift and a better understanding of what is going on with these creeps.
I’d rather join a national march on the Mall in DC against Trump. Or follow him in chains and wearing an orange jump suit matching his complexion as he’s frog marched thru NYC to the north shore of the East River and told to swim across to Rikers Island. And stock the river with great whites before he wades in.
Too, too funny! Thank you for the levity! I've been feeling a little "dangerous" in the stuff I've been thinking, but forcing the maggot to swim to Rikers Island thru Great Whites . . . I LOVE IT!!! I pray daily that we'll wake up to breaking news that Trump has dropped dead, except that I quit listening to the news about three weeks ago! Just couldn't stand the toxicity overload anymore! It'll be up to Robert Reich to tell me if it happens! Hah!
This is terrific information and I will definitely tune in. Always open to new information on this subject. Thank you.
If I succeeded in pushing the right buttons, here's the link: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgzQVwxCxKCwkbBQSJXPmkhlqKSvf
I get a lot of email & petitions from them, & they are firmly on the side of separation of church & state & against theocracy. It's the Christian version of the Patriotic Millionaires, who are firmly against this plutocratic, corporatocratic system of extreme inequality.
Rolling in laundered 501 k Rico corporation " not profit" mystery money. on the what have you gimme gimme traitor thief sweep stakes facists take all.
In the previous Robert Reich column I counted a dozen of the same long, disjointed comment you spammed on us, & I waded through probably less than half the total comments. This time, in a very tiny fraction of the comments, I've seen this same comment about 5 times. It's a good comment, but still most people don't appreciate such spamming of the comment section with the same comment many times.
THANK YOU, JAMIE!!!!!!!!!! Bless you for your calm spirit and WELL-EXPRESSED response. So grateful.
So give us one line for why you believe "God" exists in the Universe. I don't buy it. Any loving being would NEVER have allowed to go on on this planet the killing, maiming, and murderous wars throughout history, the vileness of certain men toward everyone in their countries, the horrible, terrible slaughter of precious children, rape, constant abuse of women, Black slavery, enslavement of indigenous peoples for eons to extract nations' resources for the greedy, gluttonous theft and use by other nations, desecration of natural resources, desecration of our lands, untold suffering by people down thru the ages . . .
And what did YOUR "god" have for lunch today??
So nobody would THINK of buying one of your hideously boring books on NONOTHEISM (translated, that means NONE-ISM), so you feel it is alright to SPAM Dr. Reich's substack columns with it? Don't you EVER respond! I am reporting you again to the SUBSTACK COMMITTEE. Finding one of your long diatribes in my inbox just now is going to get you removed as a troll. I am not one of the convertible, ying-yang! Having been raised Catholic by an authoritarian nut job father who destroyed my older sister for life, and a completely passive, NO-personality "mother," you can take your "god" and all of your "math equations," and shove it, George!
Agreed. Such Christians they are. /s
The corruption of Christianity by this bunch of MAGA lovers is insulting and demeaning.
I really wish that the true Christians would stand up and point to the MAGAS as what they are :"HERETICS":
They do not live by nor do they endorse the Teachings of Jesus Christ. Humility, Compassion, Love of your neighbor... none of that do they illustrate. Their religiosity is one of convenience. They are some of the more dangerous people on Earth, and they will kill Christianity and the Republican Party.
Heretics at least have a point of view. MAGOTS have only hate and fear in their minds and an independent thought would scare the hell out of them.
So true!. Heretics and fascists have this in common that a points of view different from their own *must* be absolutely fought and put down, violently if necessary.
That's because they would be hard pressed to explain or even find a convincing argument to support their own point of view. [Most religions are like this, by the way: A religion is a set of beliefs you take ON FAITH.
]Have you noticed that the more outlandish point of view is defended a lot more ferociously that any that one can justify? That, there, is fear, my friend, fear to be undone and have to admit defeat.
Heretics, fascists, and RINOs who’ve lost their ever lovin’ MAGA minds to the self-proclaimed Second Coming, who was “killed” in 2020 but has arisen again.
Remember Martha Ann crying at her husband’s job interview before Congress?
Lady MacBeth
Probably the $ her husband’s position has afforded her ?
Linda, I’m taken aback at the unladylike behavior of these women. Cat fighting with your neighbors? Where’s your dignity?
Shut up, already!!! We effing GET IT already!! MORON!
I mean that Martha Ann is nasty, not Lauren Windsor.
yes bravo Lauren Windsor
"Im sure once Alito’s is asked about his response he’ll find a way to blame his wife."
Nah. He'll blame the liberal media for reporting accurately on what he said. After all, to "conservatives" their committing a crime isn't nearly so bad as *pointing out* that they've committed a crime.
Well said.
He is a spineless coward. Not just a despicable, utterly unqualified, political hack and overall oxygen thief, but so cowardly that he makes up transparent lies to throw his wife under the bus. I guess this is what a "true man" looks like in the right-wing whacko-sphere . . .
I like your “whacko- sphere” comment…a new coinage of your own? If so, well spoke.
my dog ate my homework
Agreed as he believes his thinking is absolute. SCOTUS needs reeling in.
HE DID!!! Bunkerboy and his liddle goons would make a TERRIBLE movie, as no one would believe it could actually occur in real life. [sic]
Susan - “Like”
Susan ; which wife?
The trend since Adam and Eve, somehow it’s always the woman’s fault
Of course He’ll throw his wife under the bus again in defense of her free speech rights.. A man who can’t control his spouse is no man at all.
I don't know that men need to control their wives. I suspect they might do better by taking a good, hard look in the mirror and see whether they can control themselves.
Roger - Not only is he no man at all but only a woman knows how to put up - and apparently - take down a flag. If he didn’t put up the flag in the first place (with a wink, wink nudge, nudge) I guess he either doesn’t know how to just take it down or he just proved that his wife wears the pants. If he is so proud of his beliefs then he would be a man and own up to it. ;)
Women can be powerful no matter what they are wearing.
Susan - “Like” I agree but was just using a figure of speech.
This isn’t about a man “controlling” his wife. Women do not need to be controlled. This is about a Supreme Court justice putting his or her foot down when a spouse acts in a way that damages the reputation of that justice and by extension, the Supreme Court. To hold such an elevated position requires a certain amount of dignity and respect for the institution, which is sorely lacking in both the Alito household and the Thomas household.
America is in big trouble then Roger! Males are raised to be uncaring and in order to be intelligent you have to care whether you are right or wrong about everything. The lack lack of having a conscience is the root of all evil, in my humble opinion.
OUCH!
Are you a fuckin' troll or what?? Go play with your dog or clean your house!!!!
The GOP needs to find a path to Godliness themselves! They act like being greedy, lying, hating, bearing false witness and creating a living hell on Earth is moral! I am pro-choice because I don't want some poor fetus growing up in a living hell ran by a bunch of sadistic lunatics! The right to life ends at birth with these guys and gals!
True. These same people want to cut school lunches and social services for the children of forced births.
They want to give the 1% and corporations tax cuts and free reign on destroying the environment.
If that’s their idea of godliness then they must be devil worshippers.
Their God is the God of the Old Testament, the angry God. It fits their agenda better than a forgiving, loving God does.
Their God is the God of any given situation that enriches them allows them to create ,a very flexible diety indeed !😇🤮
And forgives all of their sins and let them into heaven!
TOUCHE!
Yes Trish! Their God is vengeful. I think many of them imagine themselves to be gods themselves.
A priest (and a good friend) once explained the difference between fundamentalist religious belief and the the Christian faith which he held: the one sees God as the Ruler, the “God of laws”, while the other sees God as the God of love. Neither is exclusionary but a mix of the two.
Needless to say, this simple-sounding theoretical construct becomes very complicated when you attempt to apply it to how to live the “good life”.
It is all too easy to condemn the Samuel Alitos of this world as smug and patronizing — I want to avoid making any slurs against his personal beliefs but just suggest that in allowing his legal judgment to be captured by his beliefs is unpardonable in a Supreme Court justice. Alito sits on the Supreme Court but he is not our High Priest.
The main problem with Alito's judgments is not belief but the use of a superficial textualist reading of the Constitution to support his reasoning. Alito is narrow minded, that's the problem.
Narrow minded and off the rails.
Oath work terms and being a traitor are inconsistent to the appointment
Trisha, you are wrong. Their belief is that "conception" is a gift from a generous god, and that rejection of this blessing is a mortal sin. I use the word "conception" in quotation marks, because conception is a process, not a single event.
I responded to Susan, who mentioned a lack in overall charitable tendencies in the GOP. As far as matters of the womb go, I did not consider abortion as a choice for myself. However, I do not believe that government should have control over women's medical choices. There are too many variables in such situations.
The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, freedom from servitude. Does that cover it?
Correction the introduction of misogynist conceptual thought is attributed to Brahma and swept into judeo Christian and China
Rosline Miles, Cambridge UK
A WOMANS HiSTORY OF THE WORLD.
I suspect you are right about devil worshiping. Take a look at their Orange Jesus. Beware of false profits and take a look at all the profits they will rake in if their Orange one regains the White House. Let's not let that happen.
I love your comment about “false profits” which seems apt, though I think you meant “prophets”.
Both false profits and false prophets apply.
correction: false PROPHETS . . . Maybe THAT'S WHY the Maggot wears that orange make-up every day! He really is OVERTLY associating himself with the DEVIL! How DID we miss this??
ALL PARTS OF FLORIDA ARE SUPPOSED TO GET FLOODING RAINS THIS WEEK, UP TO 10 INCHES!! MAYBE THE DRENCHING AND FLOODING WILL TAKE TRUMP OUT TO SEA IN ALL THAT WATER! AND I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE ON THE WEATHER MAP THAT QUACK "JUDGE" AILEEN CANNON'S HOME IS RIGHT IN THE PATHWAY!! OMG, HOW I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT AIDING, ABETTING, PROTECTIONIST-OF-TRUMP, OBSTRUCTIONIST EFFING BITCH DROWN! APPARENTLY, NO OTHER OVERSEEING PANEL OF the "justice system" is going to force her off the Documents case!!
They might as well be. What they practice and preach doesn't resemble anything that promotes what most so-called "Christians" would advocate. Their twisted agenda denounces just about everything that's designed to help people but as most of us know, it's only about the GOP zealots, MAGA allies, and their quest for Christo-fascist control.
Sean, yes and no. Nobody wants his/her taxes to pay for something they find abhorrent.
But here we are.
And for the type of person who pretends their " philontropic donation" the illionaires tax write off tax evasion skeme to promote good will toward a illionaire pimp pedo is " fair" is also a liar
Once the child is born, they couldn't give a shit therefore, so much for pro-life! They are pro fetus but what happens if the fetus is malformed and not viable! They don't care one bit!
What had always bothered me was this crowd speaks of saving the lives of the unborn, but are quick to use the death penalty.
And love guns.
It makes no sense at all.
I think we need to stop trying to make sense of any of this. We need to concentrate on getting out the vote and pulling back the curtain on these shameless souls.
It makes sense when one looks at profit motives. Guns = money for the gun makers, and their boosters the NRA. With mass shootings and other factors, (like it's illegal to sue gunmakers for the damage easily accessible arms do.). Forced birth makes the control of the production of "human resources" certain, especially important when mass shootings are a thing. Gotta have cheap labor!
Advocating for the unborn is a great way to demonstrate your sanctity. It costs nothing, the unborn ask for no food, shelter or education. They are the perfect vehicle for declaring your holiness.
I personally am advocating for Martians. See how holy I am!
The contradictions are many and awful
And continous daily. It's the same old BS daily...
Not only quick to the death penalty, but also absolutely refuse to provide any kind of support for those forced births. Remember this is the same group that wants to gut Medicaid, actively prevents schools from providing lunches during the summer to families in need, and voted to put children back in poverty. It's about controlling women, and it always has been.
Cypher, they want to control men and women, basically all the poor and use them for their cheap labor and entertainment mostly. They may even bring back the Lions and the Colosseum eventually? As long as they are happy, The chosen gods, everyone else can starve!
While you're not wrong, they are specifically crafting these decisions to take away the rights of women and people in marginalized groups at this point in time. The long con is to take away everyone's rights that aren't already part of the ruling class, but they are targeting women, people of color, and the LGBTQIA+ specifically right now. Just like with BLM - yes, all lives matter, but black lives are the ones being specifically affected by the policies and practices the BLM protests were addressing. Your overgeneralizing of the problems being discussed is at best disingenuous, and at worst actively harmful by preventing action because of apathy.
On your second point, they already have the modern "bread and circuses" in place. Just look at how much "reality TV" exists, especially the "audience participation" ones where the people at home can cast meaningless votes as if studio executives would ever allow the unwashed masses to determine any kind of outcome. It serves to keep those masses entertained, and also gives them the illusion of some form of control, while training them to subconsciously expect their vote to not matter. It's truly insidious, if you take the time to look at it with a cynical eye.
Exactly!
John ; and the life of the mother is notably unimportant.
Have you noticed?
I don't think they are pro-fetus as much as they are pro-votes.
The Conservative Christians are alarmed that white people are limiting their family size. They are afraid to be a minority. That is their motivation to take over the government. They are afraid of losing their privilege. They have no concern about overpopulation they are concerned about under population of people whose skin marches theirs. Poor little white supremacists are scared.
What they don’t realize is that many young people see the destruction of our planet and don’t want to bring a child into a world that’s becoming increasingly uninhabitable. It’s a rational and wise decision.
I love my daughter with all my heart but had I known then what is now happening to our planet I wouldn’t have wanted her to inherit this mess. It breaks my heart.
pro misogyny and pro hate and control! don't forget the pain and cruelty!
The pain and cruelty we see around the world is mostly due to overpopulation. The migrants who try to enter our country are refugees from overpopulation. Zygote idolatry, like most idolatry, requires human sacrifice.
Oh you're so close, yet so very, very far from truth. The fact is, we already produce more of *everything* than needed to support every single person living today, and then some. It's just more profitable to take the tax breaks and keep up the artificial scarcity than it is to, you know, make sure that it goes to people that need it.
The refugees at our border and there because of US Imperialism and failed foreign policy in the form of Kissinger's ideas of "diplomacy." Not because of overpopulation, but because the US acted to destabilize legitimate governments because those governments were unfriendly to US corporate interests. Ever wondered why they're called "banana republics?" You really should look it up, it would probably be highly educational for you.
We humans are not ants or termites, and there only is so much room in a lifeboat. You may be right, but to be convincing you must provide specific evidence. How about an analysis of what is happening in Sudan right now?
Nope, you don't get to pivot, or shift the burden of proof. You claimed the world is overpopulated. You claimed that migration is driven by this supposed overpopulation. You made the claims, YOU are the one that must provide specific evidence. So where is your proof, that would directly contradict the vast, VAST majority of scientists and actual experts on this subject?
Cypher, your "VAST majority of scientists and actual experts" are likely based in China or Venezuela. Did China and India limit family size at one point because of US imperialism?
You have no answers, so now you turn to xenophobia and hate instead of providing any evidence. Thanks for proving you actually have no arguments, and have no actual clue, but you're gonna spew the hate and fear your fed by whatever propagandists are feeding you.
James - “like” Well said!
Bernie Ward used to say they were never pro-life. Just Pro Birth. After that, you're on your own Jack. Onward Christian Soldiers.
Exactly. They would just look down their privileged noses and attribute it to original sin. No God in their right mind would inflict unnecessary suffering on people. People, however, are more than happy to do that to one another.
The best explanation about the change of circumstances hygiene , identification and treatment of disease the available human knowledge that does change the our ability to navigate the brief human life span , I found on you tube.
A NYC lawyer hawking pre neptual agreement described our divorce laws as " middle ages technology".
He pointed out the mortality rates of pregnancy, neo natal, mothers in child birth, post partuem infection, childhood diseases and STDs when their was no hygiene or disease identification killed loads of people.
So now where life continues much much more often the serial monogamist has a different set of financial remedies . And more divorce options.
From a different angle now that the role of physical emotional health is in our ability to share everyone alive in the last 121 years witnessed global population doubling while those that could access contemporary reproductive healthcare also navigate their reproductive years with far more awareness and intention .
This is one of the most infuriating aspects of it all. I was a teacher in an inner city school for years. I taught many students who were unhoused and underfed. These « pro-life » politicians never cared about them or their well-being. Absolute hypocrites.
Right on Danielle. Several years ago (pre-Dobbs) I passed by the Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Louis where a large group of anti-choice folks were hogging up the sidewalk. Normally I would just pass on by, but with some time on my hands that day I stopped by to talk with them. My first question to the first group I approached was "Do you all love children?" Everyone answered a very affirmative yes! Next I asked "Then how many unwanted children have each of you adopted?" Of the five or six folks in the group said that they had. Next I reminded them that everyday in the St. Louis area there are about 4,500 children in Children and Family Services ready to be adopted. Check it out. Were they ready to step up to the plate and help these kids? No answer. Had any of them donated money to help these kids? No answer. Had any of them volunteered to help at the various places these children lived? No answer. Stone silence from all of them. Most were wearing crosses and religious clothing and handing out other religious materials. I spoke to them in a very respectful way but I could see that my logic about helping kids was falling on deaf ears and they were mumbling things like liar, liberal, baby killer, etc., etc. I left them with the challenge of what do they think Jesus would do to help those kids? Cheers... GH
Plainly and again the same zealotry attempt to stunt human knowledge and have no clue . " No not what they do" .
Humanity needs to grasp the human knowledge available to have a future because free pollution is life crushing and life in the hive under constant pressure to pay more money is soul crushing.
The Republican Party died. It is no longer. We should not be calling it so. There is only the Trumpista Party in its place.
That sounds very third worldish. And it will be!
The belief that a fertilized ovum is a person, as Alito and many other religious folks hold, is part of a dogma inculcated into individuals early in their lives. The dogma is complete and admits no doubt. When doubts emerge, the believer prays for forgiveness and does penance. Justice Alito is a man with a mission, the Constitution be damned. His comment that the 14th Amendment guarantees rights not mentioned in the Constitution is a dangerous subterfuge. It ignores the original intent of the architects of the Constitution, namely, the protection of human rights.
What would they say if every time they produced sperm there should be a human infant that THEY were responsible for?!? Forget College, golf, you name it! and live in poverty where your best chance at making any money is some kind of porn, or any job that few want . No contraceptives allowed! No "Wasting of seed!"
I’ve thought about this often. Can you imagine if that legislation was proposed ? Men would be infuriated and yet they refuse to see any similarity with what they’re suggesting when it comes to controlling women’s bodies.
The fact that implantation occurs in a' womb man's' body , it is on us! We are "it" . And they want to do what has been done for millenia: make it a sacrilege to keep implantation from happening! If it was THEM. ; It would be a sacrament !
Not all men! Just the males that bought into this religious manure. They pretty much buy into everything they want to believe. They are not grounded in reality. It is not actually their fault or even religious women's fault. It is the elders fault for allowing this to happen.
And those who would like to control the production of " Human resources" are in the mix, too. Religion is just a ruse to 😕 confuse! If women want self determination , they're sinners and 😈 evil!!!
For a moment let us consider that a fertilized ovum is a person.
If a person standing in front of you is a threat to your life, you have the right of self-defense. You may shoot that person dead, especially in "stand your ground" states like Florida and Texas.
If a fertilized ovum, a person, is a threat to a woman's life, where is her right of self-defense? Or does the unborn person have the right to kill her?
This is why we need federal legislation recognizing a woman's right to protect her health. We also need federal legislation providing health coverage in child-bearing.
Brahma came up with the soul was in the sperm cell. And the uterus a accessory like a flower pot.
Yeah, the old adage: When you point the finger, there are three more pointing back at you.
Very clever :)
Well said. The Christian Bible says the soul enters the body with the first breath. Not only did Alito get the "deeply rooted in American history" part wrong, he may have gotten the teaching of Christianity wrong as well. A more honest judicial temperament requires that we ask ourself how we know what we think we know and be tolerant of differences rather than arbitrarily elevate our personal opinion above others without evidence or compelling reasons.
Stop reposting this, please… it’s like having to watch the same old 30 second videos infomercial running back to back every five minutes during a tv broadcast.
What most who want to legislate our medical care do not know is ANYTHING about the risks and life threatening emergencies that present in pregnancy. Toxemia, is fatal, for example, but I am not knowledgeable about all the ways that fetuses can be saved, along with the woman carrying them. but such care is not always about abortion, idiotically and tragically, the ignorant are in a position to make decisions that ban all treatment, focusing on "killing babies": Not preventing an unplanned implantation of an 8 celled blastocyst. Not every fertile woman is even a woman, and can be a minor child, not able to support herself or a child, with few legal rights.
Sean Sheeter ; Don't forget the power to rob US with impunity and avoid paying taxes with little to no oversight, getting so wealthy that they can buy our government ; Speakership to "Supreme" court! we can have a convicted felon, who is running the Congress and supreme court, and some lower courts, complete with complicit sycophants in power as office holders, as he avoids going to trial while running for the highest office in the land!!! "Our" government is full of traitors who should be purged with the 14th amendment, section 3 Disqualification clause: but that can't happen as long as the "Supreme " court is criminally ignoring the rule of law by sidestepping our remedy. They free themselves to ruin our Union by destroying Justice, and allowing the coup to continue! If the old but still on the books Insurrection Act can be used by our current legitimate President, this is the time for it, if ever there was! After all, if the "right" can use old anti pornography rules to deny women contraception medication ; why can't the Humans ( as in "The people", not corporations) use an equally old law that is still on the books, to stop an actual coup?
Or, if in an unlikely debate that he actually shows up for. He drools 🤤 and looks and sounds like a fool! My guess is that there will be some last minute "reason" that he can't make it. Same with the second scheduled debate! The biggest loser! And not in a good way!
Yikes!
Those of "The Gay Old Pedophile" party are no longer what I call "normal humans." I feel bad for the ignorant cult members, but they now KNOW their morbidly obese godking is a CIVILY LIABLE RAPIST and a CONVICTED CRIMINAL. (I am 130,000% convinced that Bunkerboy was NEVER an even "normal IQ" individual. He was ALWAYS "exceptional," which replaced the term "retarded" within the past twenty years.)
Why do you have to bring gay people into this? I assure you that most gays want nothing to do with the current corrupt and immoral Republican party.
Bob - “Like”
I mean... depending on which God you pick, they're already there. A lot of them aren't great.
All this needless drama involving appeasement of an invisible man up in the sky watching and judging everything we do is… it just blows my mind we are at this point after the Hubble telescope.
What is especially troubling about Dobbs is that these Justices testified under oath in their confirnation hearings that Roe was settled law. That's perjury and a basis for impeachment.
Bingo!!!
They should replay THAT recording on the media. Over and over again to remind everyone what LIARS and Hypocrites they are. There is NO ETHICS in the Supreme Court.
YES!! I’ve been chewing on that since the overturned Roe V Wade.
That’s what happens when you give people power with no limits and no consequences for lying, taking bribes, or trying to install a dictator.
They were all lying and the Senators knew it. They attacked them on the wrong basis.
Michael - “Like” Apparently they had their fingers crossed when they testified.
So godly of them.
Michael - “like” Kavanaugh must be happy that the attention is now on someone else for their misdeeds.
He's just smart enough to shut up.
Michael - “Like” and laughing!
So the secret’s out. Alito was just waiting for a case to discard precedent and his opinion is nothing but rationalizations made to justify his preordained result. He’s an imposter who should be impeached and removed. While that’s not politically possible right now, he can and should be held up to public ridicule daily until he disappears from public life.
Email your Democratic Congress person. Ask them to draw up Articles of Impeachment against Alito and Thomas on the grounds of not upholding the Constitution as written. And to make sure they publicize this action. Nothing will happen this year with the do-nothing 118th Congress, BUT, if publicized it will help some voters realize how important their choice is.
Fay
here is a take action site and there are others if you google alito take action
https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/investigate-and-impeach-samuel-alito?after_action=ssd3
https://www.change.org/p/initiate-impeachment-proceedings-against-justices-thomas-alito-and-roberts-for-constitutional-violations
https://actionnetwork.org/forms/sign-now-tell-the-senate-investigate-impeach-samuel-alito?nowrapper=true&referrer=&source=
Thanks for the links
Fay ; Excellent idea!
DEM. Rep. Steve Cohen of Tennessee has introduced a resolution to censure Alito before Congress, and he is advertising it. I receive his newsletter. Just so all of you disheartened Dems hear some good news, Rep. Cohen serves the broad Memphis district, and he is the ONLY Dem. left serving in office in the horrible, corrupt, criminal, gun-loving, school-vouchers loving rotten filth that is the RED STATE of Tennessee! You want to know who (not my) Repug rep. MARK GREEN IS CONSORTING WITH?? ERIK PRINCE OF BLACKWATER INFAMY AND HIS "OFF LEASH" HORRIFYING "CHAT" GROUP!! Tennessee is one of the most diabolical states in the Union! Please don't ever bring your tourist dollars here! You could be gunned down in any state park, city park, bar, restaurant, or school in this free-for-all no license/no permitting/no background checks/no testing/no training required/open carry/concealed carry god-awful loser of a state!
Richard Friedman ; " He’s an imposter", and a traitor who violated his oath to the Constitution. Disabled by the 14th amendment section 3, disqualification clause! 'Just' because they want to ignore this does not mean it does not exist! He should be removed from the bench! it is a lie repeated in the media that Supreme Court justices have "lifetime tenure". Only some vague statement about Having "Good behavior", to remain on the bench! Ha!
We agree on this point Laurie, Article III is very vague, it says the justices are appointed; but it doesn't say by whom or how. I says they may keep their position during "good behavior" but give no explanation of their meaning. That it was interpreted to mean lifetime appointments, has no real bearing on terms of appointments. I don't even see the necessity of an Amendment. Articles I and II give exact minimum age, Article III says nothing - heck they could be 10 year olds.
I think we need responsible legislation setting minimum age, terms of service and more important than anything their knowledge of both Constitutional Law and Common Law. If they are going to break precedence fine, but they'd damned well have a logical reason for doing so. Actually Roe v Wade was unconstitutional, Alito was correct, per Amendment X, anything not mentioned in the Constitution nor prohibited by it, is left to the States or the people. However, as I pointed out, abortion is a medical procedure and NO business of the law - except where it concerns malpractice. Since no other medical procedures are listed either in the system of jurisprudence, so, the legal has no right to interfere with medical practice. Period.
Bravo, Fay Reid, for your analysis.
Fay Reid ; they 'just' want control, and seem to take money and bribes , you know junkets and gifts in exchange for the verdicts they render, which have so much effect on people's lives. and even violate the Constitution's ban on making religious laws.
Yes, he should be removed. Yes, ethics must apply to SCOTUS. It will take several years to achieve this goal: unfortunately we have to defeat Trump and Trumpists in November. Focus on the election.
Just stop repeating yourself
Agree on impeachment. But first let’s get majorities in both houses and end Trump’s political career once and for all time by soundly defeating him for the 3rd time!) at the polls.
The point that Alito and the other four out of the other "six" Supreme Court Justices are affiliated with the Catholic Church, as is our President, Joe Biden. But both President Biden and Justice Sotomayor, separate their religious beliefs from their allegiance to the Constitution and to the Country over which said Constitution is supposed to rule.
Alito, Barrett, Kanvanaugh, Roberts, and Thomas seem to feel their religious beliefs are of greater importance than their oath of office to uphold the Constitution of the United States.
Alito is correct, there is NO mention of abortion in the Constitution, nor is there any mention, of appendectomies, tonsilectomies, liver, kidney and heart transplants, nor even vasectomies; and yet they have no objection to any of these MEDICAL procedures. The only medical procedure to which they object is abortion, they CLAIM this rejection is on "moral" (religious) grounds but I and millions of other women see it for what it is: Desire for absolute control over females. They certainly have no concern for the babies, once they are born, tough patooties kid, you're on your own.
Democrats should treat it as that. There is no concern for the possible death, or permanent infertility of a pregnancy gone wrong. The mother died, so sorry, so sad, but that's life.
Fay - Really “like”!
I'm afraid I'm missing your point Sean. My point is the desire to ban abortion has less to do with their religious beliefs than the misogynistic beliefs - they want absolute control over women, whom they see, as did the Nazis, as baby making factories with no other function.
I have never supported nor voted for any Republican and have campaigned against Nixon and Reagan so I don't believe I'm being hypocritical. I don't think any Republican President, since Theodore Roosevelt has been either good or honest.
I vaguely remember that religious persecution had something to do with the founding of this country. I may be wrong and Justiice Alito can certainly correct me, but aren't we supposed to keep the church out of the government? If he can't tell me, maybe his wife knows.
You are correct Ezekiel, Alito is wrong, Amendment I: first phrase; Congress shall make no law respecting establishment of a religion,................No matter how they try to wist and turn that phrase, it is very obvious to any person with an IQ above 60, the framers did not want a State established religion.
“ The words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the U.S. Constitution, but the concept is enshrined in the very first freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Known as the establishment clause, the opening lines of the First Amendment ...”
Religious persecution...of religious extremists. The Pilgrims were Puritans, and their religious beliefs were too radical and extreme for the UK and Europe, hence where the persecution came in. Not exactly the best example to use for how our country is supposed to be secular and not a theocracy, eh?
Ezekiel - “like”
Alito must resign.
And his buddy Clarence too
I am a 'recovering Catholic'. I had 16 years of education in Catholic institutions. I am a retired primary care MD. I believe I have a moral compass and ethic that has guided me throughout my life. However, I can not understand the hate filled & vindictive thinking of so called conservative Catholics! Jesus Christ was leader for caring for one another. He fed, housed and cured the poor. He would have protested the policies of the current evangelical Catholics and Protestants, and thus been tortured and crucified by these so called Christians.
I was a Catholic in a progressive Parrish, then I found out this was just a group of people who believed in equality, equity, kindness, mercy, compassion, empathy and honesty. When our priest retired, I was on the committee talking to the archdiocese about the kind of priest our community wanted. They gave us the most conservative priest they could, No longer were women welcome to do readings, no inclusive language was allowed, more sermons about hell fire and brimstone, women could no longer give eucharist, and sister Terasita certainly could no longer give the Good Friday sermon, This had been a church that had worked hard to combine a black church with a white church, Many just left. I was one of them, I read more about the churches missionary work, it’s work with indigenous schools, it’s covering up of pedophile priests, its unshared wealth, it’s misogyny, it’s racism. I realized I was drawn to that particular group of people, not the church. My spiritual journey continued to becoming an atheist. Alito’s kind of church is just a tool to control the masses. The words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the U.S. Constitution, but the concept is enshrined in the very first freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Known as the establishment clause, the opening lines of the First Amendment ...
Everyone on earth is an atheist. How many believe in Zeus? Ra? Artemis etc etc.
Jeff, unfortunately It just took me a while to get there. What I can stand in awe of is the interdependent symbiotic nature that supports the homeostasis of LIFE on this rare and precious planet. Watching what we have done to it, I think makes man the scariest animal on the planet.
Linda, thank you for sharing your story. I am sure that your parish was not the only place where religious conservatives tried to whip progressive congregations back into submission. It is not at all hard to conclude that such reactionary behavior is at the root of America Catholicism’s declining appeal.
Thank you Rick
Kavanaugh’s congressional testimony and Coney Barrett’s ramrod confirmation were both unsettling and undermined the court’s legitimacy…but the Alitos and the Thomases are convincing all fair minded people that the SCOTUS is not about fair and unbiased jurisprudence…this court is corrupted….vote because our democracy is being assaulted by rapists and insurrectionist on the bench
Also, don't forget the traitors! and criminals! and greedy!
I’m shocked, I say; Just shocked!!!!! Not really!
I’ve been saying this for a while. We are suffering a slow, painful death, by a thousand judicial cuts.
If Trump wins and republicans retake the senate, it’s game over. Alito, Thomas and Robert’s will retire with golden parachutes by the mid-terms, while a new younger, and more dangerous breed take their place.
I know what you’re thinking: how can they be worse? It’s the MAGAverse, it can always get exponentially worse. There is no bottom, as the most extreme try to outdo each other to earn their anointed one’s affections.
So be afraid, be very afraid!….:)
When Windsor said people must fight to return our country to a “place of godliness,” Alito said, “I agree with you. I agree with you.”
We no longer have a "Supreme Court." We have a Committee for the Advancement of Christian Nationalism.
I don't see how your comment relates to mine. Did you perhaps respond to the wrong person?
In other words, you are posting spam. Do not reply to my comments unless you have something to say that relates directly to the topic of my original post. I am not interested in your looney, fairy-tale religion. Thank you.
Spam me one more time with your silly nonsense and you will be reported.
Yes, it's a challenge and a dilemma. It's just hard to "play nice" when the opposing person or party apparently has zero scruples about not doing so.
It will take a generation at least to retify this injustice. People on the progressive side fell asleep at the wheel and as a consequence this fundamental right has been rescinded by entrenched extremists on the Court supported by well organized extremists outside the Court. By that time, however, climate change will have eviscerated civilization, thanks largely to the same judical extremists who eviscerated Roe
And they're still asleep at the wheel! The progressives around me don't want to think about the election. They don't want to do anything about Trump. They vote unaffiliated. They balk at the idea that we may no longer have a democracy if Trump wins.
It may take a lot more than a generation, and it may not be confined to the US. For recovery to start, the threat must end, which it has yet to do. If Trump wins in 2024 (as he very well may, and is beating Biden in many polls), the whole world is at risk. And yet, the common man (even the progressive common man) goes on with their daily life. They're frogs in a slow boiling pot.
If they were simply asleep at the wheel, they would have corrected course after the 1000 times they hit the rumble strip. Perhaps they're not asleep, and they're actually distracted drivers. Distracted by the ideals of enlightened centrism. Distracted by the persistent malpractice of the post-2007 media landscape. Distracted by the latest shiny political controversy (Gaza). Distracted by their blind trust in the system.
We should be seeing anti-Trump/anti-fascism protests in the streets on a regular basis, but we may not react until it is far too late. Hell, it was probably already too late back in 2008 when everyone saw half the country claiming our (soon to be) first black president was a Muslim from Kenya and brushed it off as a silly little conspiracy theory instead of the nuclear red flag that it should have been.
Aidan M - “Distracted drivers”
aptly describes the so-called “progressives” who go all in for this or that catchphrase of the day, but turn against Democratic candidates who are electable but who don’t pass whatever ideological purity test they want to apply. I am speaking about the activists who won’t support Joe Biden because he does/doesn’t back Israel/Palestine sufficiently to meet their criteria. Biden could rightly be called “Average Joe”, but he’s the candidate we’ve got , so unless they are fed up with democracy and the whole doing one’s civic duty and voting thing, they should not equivocate and sit on the sidelines. If Trump gets near the White House again we can kiss democracy goodbye.
Shut up! Stop beating a dead horse! Stop running your INE AND ONLY COMMENT INTO TGE GROUND, TROLL!
Honestly, I think religious people probably shouldn’t serve. Not if they plan to put their religion above the law. They should seek leadership in their religion instead.
I disagree, Michelle, there are far more Americans that believe in some form of god than there are like me, a non-theist. Joe Biden is also a devout Catholic, do you see him trying to thrust religion down our throats? Or Jack Kennedy either. So long as people treat their religious beliefs as personal, there is no problem. It's only those who must have validation of their personal beliefs that cause the problem.
You are correct Fay, because there is no one less religious than Donald Trump. Everyone knows its a facade. It isn't even a very good fake. Can't name a bible verse, or even a book, doesn't go to church except to rally for votes and ask for money. Then there are strong, humble servants like Jimmy Carter. Joe Biden. Raphael Warnock.
Thanks for reminding us of Senator Warnock.
Fay ; or those who take gifts (bribes ) from billionaires who want to incite religious wars and other culture wars to distract from their buying of our government and treasury robbing wealth. They want to have total control of what laws are made including those which allocate power and justice. This is THEIR "heritage" and "Society" .and we are peons! handmaidens and such!
Fay, you make excellent points. My feelings exactly.
Joe Biden doesn’t put his personal religious beliefs above the good of society, though.
No, Joe Biden's religion is his personal choice, as it should be. It has nothing to do with his job of President of the US
I agree Michelle. Anyone who puts party before the Constitution and the nation should also be impeached.
That could create chaos, as every party-affiliated politician could be accused of putting party interests above constitutional duties at some point.
I find the first part of your statement disturbing- I'm glad you qualified it with "not if they plan on putting their religion above the law." Everyone who is elected swears an oath to uphold the law. That means not putting anything- including one's religion- above the law. people of faith have managed to serve without letting it interfere for a long time. Joe Biden, for example, takes a lot of heat because while he personally accepts the church's teaching on abortion, he thinks it should be legal so that every woman can choose for herself.
But Alito is an example of someone unqualified to serve because he DOES put his religion above the law.
Correct. But he is unqualified to serve (IMO) because of his BEHAVIOR (of putting his personal religious beliefs above the constitution) Sonia Sotomayor is also Catholic. Ketanji Brown is a Christian. Neither of them put their personal religious beliefs above the constitution. If someone believed that dogs were inherently equal to humans and, as a judge ruled that way on the bench they would be unqualified to serve BECAUSE OF THEIR BEHAVIOR. If on the other hand they believed that, but didn't put that belief above the constitution, it wouldn't disqualify them from serving.
On "9/11"? You really are demented and addled, fool! What's 9/11 got to do with the subject matter at hand???
I have just reported you to the Substack Committee, and apparently YOU ARE THREATENING ANOTHER 9/11, OF WHICH I HAVE INFORMED THEM!
Alito is one hypocritical you-know-what to dare to talk about "godliness"!
Concerning the upside down flag, if Alito had initially said "regardless of your political leaning all Americans should see Jan 6th as an offense, and that's why my wife flew the flag upside down", I would have considered that reasonable, but blaming it on a confrontation with a neighbor that we now find out happened weeks later shows that he was covering up the true reason, and through all this controversy he hasn't disavowed the insurrection, so it seems inescapable that he must support it. Alito should be impeached.
GG I have some disagreement with your reasoning but not with your conclusion; yes, Alito must be removed, but let’s get Biden re-elected and gain majorities in House and Senate first.
It is unlikely an impeachment would be successful without Democratic majority and his refraining from saying that he doesn't support the insurrection in and of itself probably isn't enough to find him guilty, but if he didn't support the insurrection it would seem obvious to just say that early on. This isn't like proclaiming your position on abortion, trying to overturn a the certification of the electoral college count is as blatant a violation of the constitution as there can be. He either lied about the reason for the flag or displayed enough confusion to doubt his capacity to remain a member of the court. The investigation that an impeachment is would likely bring out more evidence, but yes, regardless what it brings out the GOP won't vote to convict.